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I built a more casual river song running cards like the reality chip, the key to the vault, anticipate and scry to basically burn the candle at both ends. I run niv mizzets with burn and damage multipliers as my main wincon but it's pretty fun, using cards like tishana's tidebender and copying it with saheeli the suns brilliance for a reusable stifle or drawing the table with an uncounterable delete for like 30dmg copied a few times lol
I’m just gonna put him in the 99 tbh. Not thinking about it too hard because idt his ability is very useful here or worth building around. I will never say no to a 2/2 bear for 2 tho
Oh... sweetie... You are letting them draw "new" cards? That may be the issue. Try to keep putting their lands and permanents back on top. That removes that.
Does this even work? Balista says "Remove a +1/1 counter from Walking Balista ..." But the Pirate is not Walking Balista. Im unsure about the rules here but imo it fizzles, because Walking Balista isnt on the battlefield and doesnt have counters.
I would call my Grixis Wheel deck helmed by Lord of Tresserhorn a casual going by this system but everyone at the table would be like "HELL NO THAT'S A 9! OR HIGH 8 AT THE LEAST!" I mean there is really no focused way of winning we wheel and the way of the cards will say who does not burn to death, it just so happens i have some cards in it to ensure i survive a bit longer or give them extra turns so they draw more cards or wheel more during extra turns and take more damage lol Really i made the deck during my joker arc one could say so it's pretty much a chaos deck as i was upset at making bad decks and losing all the time since not that great of a deck builder so i said "Fuck it everything burns" and at first there was literally no way for me to win as i just wanted to play and i figured i would lose all the time anyways. My uncle talked me into adding a way to win into the deck instead of leaving it up to RNG, SO i added a Glacial Chasm AND a Timesifter meaning there is nothing they could do unless they exile the land as it is a wheel deck i am going to get it back land destruction does not matter. Like with cards such as Phyrexian Tyranny, Spiteful visions, Kedrerekt Parasite, Lilliana's Caress, Megrim, Niv-Mizzet the Firemind, Psychosis Crawler, Underworld Dreams, Fevered Visions, Nekusar the Mindrazor......yeah i can afford to skip my turn especially since i have a forced Fruition and of course a Tefferi's Puzzle box with a Leyline of Anticipation so now all my sorceries are now instances. So yeah just a casual deck that i can just chain a Timetwister and a Day's Undoing on a Opponents turn for lethal damage with just a Spiteful Visions and a Kederekt Parasite out with Puzzle Box It just so happens if i switch out Lord of Tresserhorn for Nekusar as commander the power level spikes out the roof all the way to level 10 as the game won't last 5 turns as he would burn everyone else to 0 first and making sure they can't keep a consistent hand or top cards because of wheels. But i swear it is just a casual fun deck not meant to be taken seriously lol
I have a Stella Lee list I’ve been tinkering with and I have cards coming in from TCGPLAYER to help finalize it. I do like the timetwister loop idea, but I don’t feel like it’s completely worth running. That I could never own such a card lol, too much money. I have seen quite a few builds since I started running her in cedh and one thing I have noticed and capitalized on was its lack on long game presence. Yes it is ideal to win by turn 3 with this commander but depending on both meta and the pod you are in, having a long game set up is also a good idea. The deck synergizes well with storm kiln artist and archmage emeritus as well as birgi god of storytelling. Over recent weeks that I have played Stella in my games, I’ve seen her become such a threat so fast that she is incredibly oppressive. I took a midrange approach to her at first and the build can reimburse mana and cards quite easily.
At 10:14 you say "we can use our commander to copy the mystical tutor" but she has summoning sickness at this point :) I'd say it would've been best to wait until the end step of player before you. Also would've prevented any win.
Do you think that RAGAVAN is really important and necessary in this Deck?? I have it almost complete and I am thinking of buying it, but I doubt its effectiveness, and that it is worth spending 50 bucks
Yeah the 3.5k is also not including LED, Wheel of Fortune and Timetwister because I don’t actually own those cards I use proxies. Many cEDH events nowadays use proxies, so you can always go that route!
It depends on the tournament. Anything on the topdeck.gg circuit is full proxy and they are the biggest TO right now for cEDH. Other TOs have varying policies. One shop near me is full proxy and another allows 15 proxies. The only no proxy event I’ve been to has been SCGcon.
Hey, literally trying to learn this combo as I type this. The part that is confusing me is the exile from Diregraf Scavenger. How does it exile a creature if Living Death brings all your creatures to the battlefield? Please, I'm stuck. It's un-bear-able!!
You are the one that got me into Temur Pirates, which is still one of my personal favorites. Looks like you've done it again!! Thanks for the breakdown, imma go build this now!
I really like this deck and I will probably at least get a proxy version of it, but I think your first goldfish was not a turn 3 win because you Stella on turn 3 and never gave her haste, unless I completely missed something
nice video. you really manage to show how broken the commander is, hehe. Ill make sure to save this video for tips when i finally get the commander deck
Super video, nice deck list, thanks for the information! A couple of ideas that I had, which might be a bit off of the cEDH level, but seem cool to me: Ral, Storm Conduit wins with a number of cards and Stella Lee's second ability. Expedite is a cantrip that provides haste and Claim the Firstborn is another way to give Stella haste; both generate infinite Magecraft triggers. A haste enabler could actually enable a turn-one win, unless I'm badly mistaken. Twisty Fealty does that, but a one-mana haste enabler plus Crimson or Cerulean Wisps seems more likely.
I built this deck and I'm testing it a lot! I have a few questions: what is the idea of including Twinflame and Molten Duplication?? Are they just to copy Dockside or do they have another function? Same with Cursed Mirror, it seems very expensive to me... what do you think about including Dualcaster Mage? Thank you very much for your answers and I want you to know that since I saw your video I started to get the cards I needed to put together this deck haha it is very fun and now I want to take it to the highest level!
I tried out DCM but it was basically useless outside of the Twinflame combo so I removed it. The copy spells can clone dockside or give Stella “haste” or “untap” her so they have a lot of utility. Still testing things so I don’t know if this is correct to be running yet!
If you Cerulean Wisps yourself to draw a metric ton of cards, wouldn't Orcish Bowmasters just obliterate either Stella Lee (ending the infinite draw), or worse yet, target you and deal that much damage for each card drawn?
So you tap Stella to copy Cerulean Wisps. Copy resolves and you untap her and draw a card. Bowmaster trigger goes on the stack, you respond by tapping Stella to copy Cerulean Wisps again. This way the trigger never resolves. Once you draw it, you cast Borne Upon a Wind at which point you will need to let 1 OBM trigger resolve from Borne, and then you can continue to respond with the other triggers on the stack and win without them ever resolving. So as long as you have 1U for Borne you’re safe from OBM.
