cEDH will (never) be a Real Format 

The video is fine but i found the weird old tv filter very distracting

I agree with a lot of this honestly. Idk why tournament organizers didn't just copy Japan's tourney system to solve the drawing issues.

Never in my life have I heard it “high council”. Never. Highlander is what I’ve heard for years now.

The player refusing to be priority bullied is extremely heroic, that was cool. (A lot of people want to play CEDH as a tournament competitive space because it's soft.) (And these comments kinda underscore the problem of the community, in that you will always be able to find people being noisome and hostile.)

Lmao this is great, it's really funny to see everyone seethe in the comments. I agree with everything you've said. EDH is a social game. Although I will say that cheating has existed in every format and CEDH is just going through some growing pains.

Clickbaity title, but I enjoyed the thoughtful discussion. A lot of this stuff I had no idea about.

the main problem i have with casual commander is that every deck is a 7 when you ask what powerlevel they are playing with at locals. sure while some decks dont plan too win before turn 7 i find most of the games ending by turn 4-5 with someone going infinate. sure if you are playing with friends at home a rule 0 system can work but not a lgs. this has resulting in me dropping casual as its basicly 2 cedh decks that are not winning with thasas combos but are playing every other way too win as fast as possible. the main draw of cedh too me is that everyone is at the same power level and everyone is there too win. wizards have been pushing the power level too the point where the main difrence between casual and cedh at my locals is that in casual people dont play answers too basicly anything but all the wincons posible.

You are actually entirely wrong about something. So, all of those lower tier cEDH decks you mentioned are DEFINITELY still cEDH. The difference between cEDH and traditional EDH isn't the cards themselves, the commanders you use, or the even the power level of the deck. The difference is the goals you are trying to achieve when deck building. When building cEDH, winning is your goal. No matter which commander you choose, you are trying to win as effectively within the restrictions of your commander you have chosen. There is certainly an argument to be made about certain commanders not being viable for cEDH as a whole, like many of the original legends that are just terrible, but outside of that, any option becomes competitive when you build your deck to compete with other cEDH decks. In traditional EDH, this is not an issue, as fun synergies, and pet cards, often take precedent over winning the game. You can still, however, express yourself in your commander option in cEDH by simply tuning your deck as high as you possibly can. I usually say that all cEDH decks fall into 2 main categories: 1) You are trying to combo as fast as possible. 2) You are trying to disrupt your opponents' winning lines of play as much as possible. As long as your deck is trying to do one of those two things, you are playing a cEDH deck.

high council?

Interesting video! A lot of these criticisms are more for tournament cEDH than the relaxed beer & chill cEDH night. Not all cedh is played at tourneys or for prizes, I would argue very little of it is. While there are pitfalls and kinks that are being worked out, it seems like a lot of people are playing the format and enjoying it, so the ‘format-breaking’ edge cases may be less of a hurdle than they appear at first glance.

Personally i think cedh is a fine format and a lot of gripes in this video could be just about card games in general. A lot of problems mentioned could be solved by not talking lmao. I think the priority bullying thing is actually a good thing that introduces a more complex interaction game. If you have hand knowledge and know the next person in prio has interaction then why wouldnt you pass prio? If youre just guessing thats one thing and you deserve that loss but guessing and assuming your opponent might have or not have a card is a TCG staple in every format. In commander its unique but that doesnt make it bad. Anyways I think the video is an interesting thought experiment, but it sounds like cedh is so new people arent used to the "politics" it can bring. Anyways im going to my first cedh tourney this weekend hope i dont get too shit on

"you just assumed it was all in good faith because you were there to try to win" is the most contradictory argument I've heard. That argument would make more sense if talking about a casual format, but talking about a competitive format where everyone is trying their hardest to win, wouldn't you assume that cheating is MORE likely?

controlling me via priority bullying would never work. I would be the one player who would have something like rivers rebuke and a counter spell that can't be countered to make sure sticks. so I could use that on the priority bully.

Me when I say playing low tier is just casual edh while modern has DnT, Merfolk, Jund, and Blue Tron

Had to click off the video at about 2 min in. That filter you ran with over your talking points is fine for a few seconds but really needs to go away quickly like a camera taking a second to focus.

Nice video, but the clickbait will bring a lot of hate to this video

Really great video. Play highlander gang, not cedh

Priority bullying is a dumb point because every player plays spells and every player is the player immediately after them. The only time it matters is when a player tries to when and other players get bullied, but that is random. Cannot be bullied if you are the one trying to win. So at any given time you are at a 50% chance of being bullied. The other 50% you are either the bully or trying to win so…

Are you gonna post this to r/CompetitiveEDH? It'd be fun to read the comments.

All im hearing is “commander players aren’t good enough to play real competitive magic so they created a format to push oneother around.”

You can get rid of Intentionally drawing by giving draws 0 points. Nobody won, so nobody should get points. You could compensate slower strategies with having 10 extra turns at the end of the game instead of 5.

Elder dragon high council 🤡🤡🤡

X-0 drawing is a thing. “And they say there are no politics in cEDH.” Uh who says that? lol

Just make intentional draws banable and make people play the game out sure the situations where they all team up and play it out happen based on the player records, but at least it doesn’t make it where you have a bunch of 2-0 getting free tops

Webcam / online play across every platform and every game has cheaters. So def not appropriate for any comp play. Good for testing. But comp tournaments always need to be in person.

I'm a hater all but 4 of the c edh players I've ever met are the most toxic people I've ever seen in the MTG community, and I've been playing since 1996 and have played in almost every state. The only good thing about CEDH is that it keeps the toxic player off the table I'm on.

The reason why people play cedh instead of the official formats is the same reason people play competitive smogon singles in pokemon instead of the official vgc doubles: they simply like the format more.

Note the second people can chest they do so why the hell is the policy of these players oh if I proxy my deck I can the win prizes and if I cheat I can make money it’s this mindset persisting in my opinion

Please no chromatic abberation

Great video. However, you should extend this high power and casual commander. I enjoy cEDH and high power, however, I play my decks accordingly. That means I read the room and keep the tempo if decks are not equal. Moreover, I let the table know, I play for fun (ya to win) but to tune my decks, see their weaknesses etc. I’ve noticed the moment you play a competitive commander, the table falls into a frenzy. I find more rude people outside of cedh. The cedh where I am at have good people and we don’t get upset if we lose turn one or two. How I explain cedh is find cards you like (a win con) and then streamline how to get there, find other ways etc. You can’t have one vs one, it has to be a pod (4) because you need everyone to partake. Cedh is fun only if everyone is playing cedh. I call it equal to high power, it just finishes a turn or two sooner. High stakes, every game action matters, you don’t get away with miss plays. I don’t think any tier is better than the other, it’s about the type of person who plays. I don’t like hour long games, I’d rather play 4 games in 1 hr, not only do you get more games, you get more game actions. It’s a personality and preference. Last, I find cedh players who play with lesser power are way more civil and less spiteful, I constantly have to table police because as we know magic players lack interpersonal skills and can’t read a room or think their tone and demeanor is acceptable, which most of the time it is. There’s not much to say besides I think it’s an individual issues that any format can be negative. If people would take more time to improve their intellect (also hygiene) magic could be way more fun and interesting. I have tons of stuff to improve.

Weird analysis, weird title, weird visual effect, weird video.

Saying you are not competitive cause you play off meta is a bad troll. People play off meta in every format and do poorly but you are not saying anything about that? Literally everything in this video is kind of a troll. Why does LSV, probably the most famous pro player now, play vintage cube so much? People like particular formats.

Bad takes, bad vid? I usually dont reply to vids, but the hot "takes" and insights you gave on this format really just.... idk. Honest, dont know why you really made this video my guy. Wish i could take my view back. Thanks RU-vid👍

Cedh is the funnest format I have ever played. Rule zero is stupid and what is more competitive than beating three people at once. I love the format once I got into it and I had no more salty experiences at EDH tables

Figure out if you are a creepypasta or a comedy thing or a magic channel?

It seems counterproductive to lead with a click-bait headline and claim you want genuine conversation. It comes across like you're just fishing for rage clicks.

For competitive commander there's the Duel Commander format. It's a great spin on commander as a 1v1 format meant for tournament play.

I think edh is just that, edh. Playing it at a competitive level, just means it’s just a more powerful “faster” edh deck, and sometimes that doesn’t even happen either. How often does it speed up your play? I mean there’s 100 cards in a deck! Meaning that if you draw a bad hand multiple times, you’ll have a penalty of discarding down with every mulligan, because in cedh, there are no “friendly” mulligans.. Just think about that for a second and see how it defeats the purpose of playing your deck at a faster rate.

I mean this dudes problem is with online turneys. Playing real in-person turneys is great and pleasant when the anonymity of a computer screen is totally gone.

L take. Most of what you say in this video is unfounded slander. It already is a format. Its highlander, not high counsel. You don't know what you're talking about. cEDH doesn't ignore rule 0. It just comes to a different conclusion with the discussion. Priority bullying is just is just an aspect of the game. Its not guaranteed to work. Its a calculated risk. Turn order always matters, thats EDH and cEDH. Situation you showed in the video is not common and also frowned upon. Intentional draws are a problem in every format, and some tournaments are implementing things to deal with that. For example, top cut after swiss is actually a top 10 and the top 2 players from swiss get straight into finals. Also, the kind of "collusion" examples you talk about is a bannable offense. This also doesn't happen commonly. The issues you talk about with the "community" are almost entirely non-issues. Hands aren't allowed to leave the table. Decks are shuffled in view and aren't allowed to leave view and then they split into however many cuts the opponents want and they are put back in the order opponents want. cEDH is the play format of choice because PROXIES. We play against people's intellects and ideas and adaptability... Not their wallets, and not any of these strawman arguments. The entire "competitive social format" section after that is just innacurate representation after innacurate representation. Then you try to save face, claiming some level of expertise, having played the format for a year. There are actual experts out there, respectfully, you're not one of them. You went fishing for rage clicks. You got mine. I regret watching.

This video convinced me that a lot of cards should be banned in EDH. Damn near every win con in Cedh. Youre right, why do people not just play competitive formats for competitive games? The nature of commander is.. Very much not competitive and the harm CEDH is doing to the format as a whole is not worth it. It was a neat concept, but it is completely counter intuitive to the format. I think the only reason ive ever even edged close to cedh has been due to power creep of pods in general.

This is a frustreatead guy that use a bait click title in Europe CEDH official rules and not online on stores with judges all this argument are BS

The question “why do you chose Cedh as you’r competitive format while you can chose others” Is plainly stupid, I’m sorry. You can literally say this with any format currently in the game. It’s literally like saying “Hey why are you playing modern while there’s legacy”. CEDH is extremely unique and gimmicky, theres no surprise people are trying to compete in it

What a terrible video. There is so much wrong with what you have said, but I'll just take priority bullying. The way you explain it implies that this leverage in bullying is not passed around and stays the same always. This is obviously wrong, just like turns go around, the leverage for priority bullying goes around, and the only real criticism to be made would be about how the initial turn order affects it, but then that's what you are actually talking about, the advantage of turn order. Everyone in every format has recognised that this is something seemingly impossible to fix, no one thinks it's balanced, there is little you can do about it, it's a fundamental flaw of these kinds of card games and it would require an extreme overhaul of the game itself to fix. The other criticisms you make are basically just slander so I refuse to even acknowledge them them.

So when a cedh deck sits at a casual table… don’t go complaining. Cedh needs to be a “format” to allow similarly minded individuals to sit down and play the variant of the game they love.

So, I play eEDH because at a "Casual" table I can't play every card I want without the game becoming a 3 on 1. I play cEDH because it avoids rule zero, while also giving me freedom of expression. At my LGS, I can't play my dope Jhoria deck that wins on turn 3 because everybody hates me. In comparison, cEDH allows me to play that Jhoria or that Mardu Land destruction deck without being the most hated player