Celestia Isn't Evil But... [Genshin Impact Lore Analysis] 

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aster looking mighty sus rn🤨

Aster is unknown God confirmed?

Or The Witness.

@@xdsmile5359 yessss

holy shit aster is a girl koph is a girl koph is aster confirmed?????????????????? the parallels are insane

why asian??

@@sampofools you didn't heard jokes about asian parents?

@@sampofools asian parents stereotype, you know, when they demand only good grades, if not, they pull out the sandal/the belt/the metal hanger/whatever etc

@@ayamii37 this stereotype seems common for every non-white race.

@@malaksafa4074 maybe, but the asians are the most memed out of them

Traveler: * Fights the Abyss * Celestia: * Tactical Nail Deployed*

You mean the Fatui?

can't just fight both ?

@@FranciscoJG maybe both, as things goes the abyss is probably gonna be the final boss

I mean if you read up on the purpose of the Fatui’s hatred for Celestia and the way the Tsaritsa is kinda protective of them it looks like she seen some MAJOR BS and just wants to put an end to it quote Pierro “For absolute Peace” she obviously is rebelling and we’re kinda screwing stuff up because we don’t know anything yet Oops 😅

imo would also be more interesting for celestia’s role to be more nuanced and complicated than the typical evil supreme leaders everyone expect them to be.

How are they neutral, idk why everyone is just accepting authority, extermination of whole cities is still genocide, regardless of wether they conform to the rules they were given. Celestia is evil, because killing all people of a nation as collective punishment is evil.

More like Lawful Neutral.

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@@cronfort what

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Except here's the thing: Honkai, in the form of the Abyss (not to be confused with the Abyss Order), exists in Teyvat, because it is connected to the Sea of Quanta and part of the Honkai Multiverse. So if anything, advancing too much is equally prevented.

@@skybattler2624 we don’t know If the Abyss is honkai equivalent, we don’t even know how much is honkai really connected to genshin

@@smolshark9488 its not related because someone asked the customer service about this once

nah why would hoyo put such details and ALOT of important inf in a book to be fake at the end??

@@hellother52 I have no idea I jsut remember this dude texting the customer service asking whether genshin is related to the honkai universe and they said no. We can just wait for in game content to see whether they are truly related

THISS

everyone is evil just like everyone is sus

@@ayamii37 is sus

JUST ALBEDO'S EXISTENCE MEAN THAT SOMETHING IS UP WITH KHAENRI'AH

or, to make things sadder, neither are evil and it was all a misunderstanding?

Interesting. The unknown god is often compared to the second "Herrscher" - Ruler, envoy of a supreme god in Honkai. Maybe those are related.

Of course. I was so surprised why in the video is assumed without reflection that Celestia is only one and same entity through entire history.

Dragons hate humans.. Apep confirms this so dies nuev.. aka nahida helped apep an now apep is more forgiving and doesn’t want to kill humans anymore xD nuve was literally tricked into spending time with humans now he loves themes pre reincarnation the hydro sovereign dragon was clearly not friendly to humans.. 😂 apep stated “ur precious humans” to nahida but in a way to represent archons and humans aka celestia and humans.. aka not sure where I got “scared” from but it seems more like they will remove dangers to their “children” aka creations called humanity 😂

what abt the sustainer the heavenly princples

@@hellother52 tbf they havent been actually seen in a very long time

they basically knew too much and thus were silenced by Celestia. As for khanria, it was the bastion of humanity that thrived beyond any other land that was under protection of the gods even tho they had no god of their own, as such celestia saw them as a threat to their pride, image and a way for humanity to questioned so they slaughtered them mercilessly

Or maybe to prevent the corruption from forbidden knowledge we can observe in Sumeru?

@@Silber_Ag i used to think so too but then why didn't celestia send a nail to sumeru too? is it because it's the last irminsul tree that's left and teyvat would be doomed if all of them were destroyed? but then again, if the irminsul trees are that important and limited, why did they destroyed the other one like- they're ultra gods or something and couldn't find a safer way? it seemed kinda sketchy just now but idk

it sounds kind of like the conflict between paganism and those monotheistic religions, perhaps irmunsul trees represent the tree with the fruits of knowledge. I think celestia only punished sal vindagnyr because they started to think about not bowing to the divine

I think The withering zone foreshadowing the true nature of Abyss order,Traveler twin believe themselves as Khaenriahan savior but In reality, they were actually brainwashed By abyss ,act as will of abyss just like Marana Avatar act as marana or withering representative. Dainsleif aware of Abyss true nature ,that's way He so against with Abyss twin plan to resurrect Khaenriah because He know abyss order is just tool to bring chaos to teyvat not an actually Khaenriah savior.

Nope everything points towards celestia abyss is just there 💀

Hard disagree, unless Genshin pulls a dimensional eldritch being that scares even Alice at the last second. Celestia is likely the ultimate villain with the Fatui, Abyss Order and the Evil Gods being set to fall right before the final showdown would begin.

@@infectedumbrellagrunt3682 There is the subject of the Night Mother, the supposed being that the Abyss came from iirc. Her legend sounds pretty eldritch horror like. There's a lot of mystery surrounding the Abyss Order, it can't just be the sibling running things being the Prince/Princess. Little to no explanation of Abyss related abilities like Childe's Foul Legacy Transformation that was taught by an even stranger individual living in the Abyss. The Abyss is responsible for a lot of behind the scenes natural disasters like Sumeru's Withering and the Chasm. And it's the only faction Celestia actively tries to put down, only character that seems to get the danger of the Abyss is Dainslief. The Fatui are chump change in comparison.

@@KatsuImagitian The Night Mother has still too many question marks around before anything solid can be discerned from the deepest secrets of the Abyss and Skirk is also a mystery. Though even with them, the information of the lands beyond the Dark Sea and beyond Teyvat are an even bigger blank than the Abyss.

This is my take too, sadly, people think celestia is pure evil which is super cliche and boring.

I feel the same, i see many theorize celestia is actually an automated system

Den said that the curse was placed by a God, however that doesn't necessarily mean it was Celestia who placed the curse, it could be the night mother who could be the God of the abyss, witch if ture it would be Brutally ironic that the abyss order is serving the same God who cursed them and coused the destruction of their homeland, and yet they blame the gods who tried to help them

See I'd wondered that and ultimately figured that as bad as things seem on the ground, Celestia may not see any of what has happened as a cause to panic. There is also the possibility that they are actually pulling strings that we can't see yet. However, I have to say that Nahida's current predicament has made me revisit this question. We've observed Venti, Zhongli and Ei all be completely muzzled in regards to certain Celestia related questions. It's been speculated by many that the Archons were ordered/forced to participate in the cataclysm as well. Now we learn that Nahida has been a prisoner of her own nation for 500 years. Given that the Archons seem to reside under some sort of jurisdiction overseen by Celestia, are they not...mildly concerned that one of their assets has been locked away? It may be that they (kind of like Ei in regard to the decree) see the situation but do not think it violates their self appointed directive but I find it weird af as things currently stand.

Our travels ( our traveller's interventions ) is Celestia's part of the plan.

I was unaware we had an omniscient camera to watch what the archons of celestia are doing to be able to confirm that they are not fighting against the abyss or vishaps in areas we cannot currently travel to. After capturing the twins the sustainer could have killed them or put them in an space that could not be left (a void type space) but instead just relocated them. Also thus far the traveler has displayed a power that is unique to them: the ability to purify abyssal corruption.

It appears to me that it's a sort of programmed response from Celestia, like "find the truth out about the world" or "attempt to leave the planet". The response given when the traveler attempts it is very odd, arrogation is seizing/claiming without justification. Yet we know the traveler has traversed many worlds and entered just fine without meeting the god. The specificity of the attacks and use of the nails seems to be similar to the shogun puppet being paused during Ei's thinking, it is highly likely this sustainer is a defense mechanism meant to protect the world, but now it just protects these principles.

@@teyvatato2148 zhongli pretty much said that they had no choice, and they are muzzled becuz they also have no choice, they are under contract to never talk about what happened in kaenariah, ei doesnt realy know becuz she wasnt there. nahida forgot, she wasnt there but she connected to the ancient divine tree that has every knowledge so she must know too. celestiaian gods are asleep (based on some 3.2 story leak, nahida will threaten dottore with breaking her gnosis if he doesnt help her, something along the lines of "you know if 2 more gnosis are destroyed celestia will awaken" dottore is forced to help her in order for that not to happen, which means, my guess somehow archons managed to put celestia to sleep using their gnosis, but if something happens to it, celestia will cause havoc again. it was also pretty much confirmed that gnosis also act as a bomb that celestia controls, as based on what venti said, its their conncetion to celestia. i think tho that if its not inside their bodies, celestia cant use it as a bomb i wont call archons as assets to celestia, more like their puppets as they themselves cant directly control things in teyvat, in japanese archons are reffered to as majin, which means demons. otherwise celestia would have long ago send enemies our way or dropped a nail on sneznaya the moment they got a wiff of her plan to rebel against them and that zhongli\ei wiilingly gave up on the gnosis. i think some of akademiya higher ups learned some knowledge thats why they trying to do shitty things. i dont think they every realy adored rukkahdevata, she was just too powerful for them to lock her up like they did to her weak memoriless self & they took her gnosis which contained a big portion of her power (makes me think that celestia gave them gnosis not only as bombs but also as a way to control archons powers)

This is also what I've been thinking for a good while now Every single nation so far has had this same issue come up even Sumeru has had this-in the form of the great wall that divides the desert and the rainforest which has caused a rift to form between the two sides to the point of being at each others throats, or the fact that the Sages want to keep all knowledge to themselves and not share it with everyone instead keep it to the select few they choose. Many other things have had an impact as well but it would seem that often times someone[s] in power have good intentions but either the methods to which they employ are terrible or end result is worst than they intended it to be.[See The Scarlet King] Which to be honest at least to me seems very human and true to life. The burden of leadership affects everyone and sometimes the leader[s] makes a bad choices or things unforeseen come along and make a mess of everything and when it involves this many people someone is going to get hurt no matter what the decision is.

They've possibly sent the fog to the ancient civilisation in Tsurumi (the ones from the underground ruins, not the people afterwards). And there's a nail next to the ancient city in the Chasm (and thus probably creating that Chasm, since it's a crater). The Prayers-Tiara sets likely describe all the civilisations of old which went down thousands of years ago. We just don't know is Abyss-related or because of Celestia. Still, there is a possibility that they have been wiping out places from even before the Archon War times.

As the saying goes "when the God is angry at the people, the flood he sends will take both the wrongdoer and the innocent"

In short...we are the bad guys ( the Traveller lifting the Skyfrost nails allowing the corruption to flow again) Nice. O_O

@@RejectedInch Not in the Chasm at least. The Chasm Nail was being compromised by the dark mud or something, and we restored it.

@@RGA301092 Yes and no. The nail in the Chasm was corrupted due to the Abyss order getting control over it. Remember what we had to do to set it free? We had to defeat Abyss mages and Lectors/Heralds, so technically we "cleansed" it, but we lifted it from the sourse where the corruption was spreading. One interesting detail about that is that after we finished that quest, the Skyfrost nail started to have the exact same pattern of...the Traveller ( hidle animation) and Paimon.

@@RejectedInch Dragonspine was an accident but we did feed the tree so

@@foreverandonward we fed the tree and lifted the nail. If the tree was the reason why the nail was dropped, yeah...we are the bad guys, technically. Durin's heart is directly connected to the tree, if i am not remembering wrong the Dragonspine quests. O_O

Still evil, I guess they're like Thanos in a way, good intentions doesn't really make you a gray character. Sympathetic sure but morally gray? nah. Childe was willing to kill an entire city on a gamble that Zhongli was alive. Dottore and the other Harbingers are guilty of other vile stuff too.

That's very true, especially when you consider this game is made by mihoyo Pure good or pure evil characters are not their style, they always make characters that are not perfect

@@joelsantos662 for realistic standards I think the harbingers are still considered good

@@ooo1o8o1 realistic is a bit of a stretch there, pretty sure terrorism is considered bad by most people

@@joelsantos662 bad act is not equal to bad person Plus There is a different between being a soldier in war and being a terrorist

@Mădălina because, spoiler, celestial IS evil xD it's pretty obvious

The 3 realms existed since the dawn of time I thought,the vishaps had to be defeated by the gods before Humanity could be created

Lol, looks like she didn’t check the definition.

Not really Celestia want to keep the order in teyvat even and when the world was in order they went dormant until the next time teyvat's survival is at stake

Celestia being simply evil is cliche and boring, if they ever did wrong, I want it to have a good reason and explanation why they did and and not just simply because they are evil.

@@genshin4822 exactly

I think it’s the opposite

Kyubey is more like the Honkai forcing civilizations to prevail or destroying them or enabling them to destroy themselves. Celestia is like the Wings of Magius who wants to create their bubble world outside the control of Honkai, like the Wings of Magius created their world outside the control of the Incubators.

Wait… in the skies?

@@ToscaTee Yes. Celestia itself is floating, so there is a possibility there was other floating cities... and if the theory that the battle pass is about the traveler coming from Teyvat originally is true, then the kingdom in the heavens may be the original Enkanomiyan cities.

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maybe i’m missing something, but i do think that’s a strong possibility. after all, the enkanomiyans assumed that the primordial one won, but they had no way to actually confirm it. maybe the second who came did overthrow phanes and become the celestia we know today.

{HUGE THEORY Please Ignore} Its called the greater good if [and this is a big IF] Celestia is protecting all of Teyvat then the life of a few nations is nothing compared to the the life of everyone in Teyvat. The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few you have to look at the big picture. Inazuma is a good example of this The Vision Hunt Decree only really affected around maybe 200 people if that. Only 98 visions were collected and more escaped to the rebellion but for those 98 it sucked a lot for those people for sure but none of them would have died [Except a few from suicide] and war wouldn't have happened if people just let it happen.{not that I think they should have] In comparison to the whole nation which is like 200k most people were largely unaffected by the VHD. Now all of this happened because EI Intention was to protect her nation but everyone suffered due to this just some much more so than others. Now take that and blow it up to the whole of Teyvat. Suddenly it doesn't seem like it matter all that much does it? Those few people died but the rest of the world lives? I would call that a win in my book. This it seems the be what the Heavenly Principles are for. They are rules of law and those who step out of line will be punished with extreme prejudice. Lets Put it this way. Its like living with parents[Celestia ] they tell a child{A nation of Teyvat} to stop playing with fire and they do but they keep coming back when the parents aren't looking they tell them again to stop playing with fire and later the child comes back to play with it again expect this time they smack their hand because they didn't listen.[Destroying nations Enforcing the heavenly principles ] Later on the child comes back to the fire and this time they burn their hand. [ Khaenri'ah] The parents tell them see I told you to stop playing with fire. Late at night while the parents are in another room [not enforcing the Heavenly Principles] the kid finds some embers of the fire and starts the play with them they end up burning the whole house down and everyone dies inside the house. So Are the parent intentions bad? NO of course not they wanted to protect them but the child want to do what they wanted to do so now they all suffer in the end. [The heavenly principles shouldn't be forced onto those who don't agree with them, especially those who are trying to flee war and desperation caused by the sustainers themselves. Like, destroying an entire civilization and cursing it's surviving inhabitants for a few people that "stepped out of line" (accordingly to their own self made and self imposed principles), that's evil.} I imagine this is The Tsaritsa's view point as well. yes the Harbingers have done some very mess up things in each and every nation so far no doubt but if it get's her closer to her rebellion coming to pass she's not going to care too much because She "might" be doing all of these terrible things for everyone's sake. But She needs Power to go against Celestia and just her own strength isn't enough so She needs to gather more so that exactly what she does." I'm doing all of these really bad things to help everyone they just don't know it yet." When they find out that all of this was for not just my nation but for all nations". " They'll thank me later. My Intentions are for the good of all." [This I think is her mind set.] Which even sides with your thought that The Heavenly Principles shouldn't be forced upon people who don't agree with them She doesn't want to conform to circumstance any longer.

Yet unknown god looks like herrisher of the void. My guess is that abyss is like the 'trash' produced by celestia or just life in general that has evolved into a mutant aligator that will chomp on anything nearby. Or you know, like hell in doom games - a source of power that went horribly wrong.

@@runelt99 I would say no, rather, I say that genshin is a mirror of honkai 3, and as such everything is reflected to the contrary, that's why genshin is based on myths, legends, magic and gods, while honkai is something more technology, science fiction and humanity, where the herrisher "attempt" to destroy humanity for their advancement in genshin the archons "attempt" to protect humanity for it to advance. an example is the stigma project that is based on the same as the dream world of the aranara and the archon dendro, and if teresa would be the counterpart of the archon dendro, she is the main one.

​@@runelt99 and yae looks like yae sakura, ei looks like mei, venti looks like wendy etc but they dont have to have the same roles, theyre just designs

will of honkai never existed, its just prometheus who hacked the imaginary tree and made infinite copies of themself, the one youre looking for is aeons, beings who are aware of the principles that even govern the honkai, also one of the beings su played go with when he died. apparently they are featured in star rail which make sense since in star rail they explore multiple universes

@@mimimi1287 but the will does exist tho in a way. Remember Tragedy of Binding? The "Will" specifically adapted to the MANTIS during PE and sent out the Herrscher of Binding which was a direct counter

the Fatui are actively fighting the Abyss Order too, alongside uprising against Celestia. ( ingame dialogues)

@@RejectedInch They really are ambitious, perhaps to the point of recklessness......taking on two nearly absolute forces like that at once 💀

@@baggiemaggie3832 one translation from Latin indicates the adjective " fatui" as " fools", infact. In Italian though the adjective " fatui" is a synonim of " ephemeral, transient". In ancient mithology " fuochi fatui" ( ephemeral fires) were creatures that made travellers to believe that they found a safe shelter ( fire , warmth, safety etc) only to lead them to ruin. So yeah...quite fitting.

Same

Celestia is order and Abyss is Chaos, Celestia try to enforce order by any mean necessary and Abyss try to bring Chaos and corruption,atleast that's how I see it

Celestia saw a snake god read a book abt them and commanded them to be executed or they would kill the remains of that civilization u still think they aren’t bad?

@@Iyala-iyala this is an error of interpretation, first Orobaxi is a being possibly just as old as the scarlet king or similar, clearly he already knew about the existence of everything mentioned, since he is an ancient being he even has descendants, if Orobaxi before reaching Enkanomiya has his own story where in the end he was called a blasphemer although it is still not known why they called him that. It is also known that he made an oath to Celestia long before his arrival in Enkanomiya and part of that oath is related to his death, he also mentions that he understood something when he met those of Enkanomiya, this was said by the shadow ebushi in Enkanomiya After finishing all the missions in the area, she confirms that she is there to answer various questions. Also in the history of Orobaxi there are various points that are not yet in context and 3 different versions of what happened, one with a historical record from Narukami, one in the form of a story and legend of Watatsumi and a last one that is that of Enkanomiya , and the 3 never answers the real reason why I seek death.

@Harry Shade to me n what I’ve seen in the game sounds like total BS n indoctrination by celestia

Celestia destroys all civilizations with a connection to primordial one

Venti choosing to lure during to Dragonspine because he knew about the nails powers is an interesting theory, it was said in the 1.2 event that he did so because of the ley line disorder there, but not exactly the nail

kaeya got his vision while he was in mondstadt...he has a mondstadt vision. like thoma, who is mondstadtian, has a liyue vision.

Even if your from a different nation the current nation where your vision was obtained will take shape in the nation you got it from

he mean why celestia give vision to khaenrian ?

Indeed. Kaeya is from Kaenri'ah and Albedo is not even human, yet both have been given a vision. Really weird. ( or maybe the writers made a boo-boo and is a plot hole)

Interesting

I trust no one, and nothing at this point.

Replace "zombies" with Forbidden knowledge and you'll be descriping what happened in khaenri'ah, they tried to use Forbidden knowledge, almost destroying the world in the process, and Celestia Had to do something or else the world is over

@@mitab1 Except go to Khaenriah and tell them not to do that. She lets people fail, then kills them. Kidnaps your sibling, then makes them your enemy. See the pattern? That's right, she's a bad guy. Not that complex.

@@MN-jw7mm she didn't turn our sibling against us, there's a whole ass 500 years time gap between her stopping us from leaving and the beginning of the game, we don't know what she wants (aside from sustaining the heavenly principals) and it's more likely that she was thrown back to teyvat just like us only she woke up 500 years before us, and for some resaon now our sibling belongs to teyvat and we're not

She wants aether kun to become a harem king

That and also uncovering the truth from the past, we don’t know the full reason Orobashi was executed just from reading Before Sun and Moon, whether knowing of the past is linked to the threat of the Abyss or a threat to Celestia’s position and authority or both we have to wait and see

We don't know for sure who won in that battle , but yeah that's my interpretation as well

According to ingame materials the " second who came" has been defeated by the Primordial One. We do not know ( yet) if the second who came was Celestia or not. If Celestia was indeed the second throne then is most likely dead ( wich could explain why is not taking actions despite the Archon current rebellion and the Abyss organising an uprise) or there is a third entity ( the Demiurge) that took over and is pretending to be Celestia( although, again: why not smashing the rebels?)

Actually, Celestia did exist before the 2nd throne came. Atleast the floating land. You can see a murial at Tsurumi island that seem to date back to the dragonspine era, which show Celestia. So Celestia itself existed in Phanes era. But, it could have been overtaken since we do not know who won. We do see traces of Phanes and the shaded but we dont see traces of the second throne... not that we can identify atleast...they are much more secretive of current Celestia than the past Celestia which tells me they are prepping some twists for it.

@@Sakuyamon a twist you say? Agreed. After all we see an island in the sky, it's been very vaguely hinted that it *could* be where Celestia is, but we have no certainty yet. The island is a palace where a devine being could be...or the palace could be empty. It's us, players, that are taking for granted that the floaty boi (quote) is infact Celestia itself.

@@RejectedInch Well we arent quite taking it for granted, the manga pointed out itself that it was Celestia and Venti has said he probably couldnt fly that for up and the fruits taste terrible there. So Im pretty sure the island itself is Celestia. But we dont know if its a gateway or something else. The manga did reveal that part of it looks like a type of prison... and there is an interesting pic of some genshin characters at the ruins of a green house...so far no area is known to have that so its possible thats a part of celestia... which would match that Venti say there are fruits there. But if its in ruins... that might mean Celestias inhabitants are already gone. Maybe thats why the Archons dont feel the need to abide by Celestia and give their gnosis. We think that the Tsaritsa might be waging a war on the divine but maybe there is something else at Celestia that they are warring against? Or maybe she dont know they are gone... One thing I think may be important is that we actually befriend the divine, the archons. Why are we doing that if the divine is bad? Many questions arise..

They're not trying to survive for themselves; they're trying to perserve everyone else. Honestly, Celestia is so high up and so disconnected from current Teyvat that they could have easily just let everyone die and start from 0.

this has been puzzling me too! my current theory is that both are the same civilization at different times. enkanomiya and the chasm civilization may have been older and more ancient, and enkanomiya retained that architecture style when it sunk into the depths while the rest of the civilization in the surface kept evolving. the reason why the second architecture style may be connected is just that they have similar line carvings on some walls and floors. but aside from that, i don’t have much else to go on. i really hope we learn more about these ancient civilizations soon

@@marze-88 i think they're all the same civilasation. In Dragonspine there's that murales that depicts this being offering knowledge to the humans ( a traveller from afar, quote). The statues in Enka and Chasm have the same exact pose, thet have something similar to a cup decorated with gold in their hands and their faces are either broken or removed. We know in reallife history that one way to erase the identities of a civilation is to disfigure ( or decapitate) the symbols of the prominent deities/kings/queens etc.

You still a celestia apologist after what we found out they did?

Theres an npc in aaru village who hints something like that. An insane scholar, she says that the heavens are above the archons and that God is above the heavens. She seems to imply that Celestia cannot control fate