Celibidache in rehearsal with the Berliner Philharmoniker 

They had to work?

Wonder what horror stories Contrabassi tell about Toscanini...

@@marianmrazik9813 They don't tell any stories at all, just to avoid the 'Nam flashbacks that the mentioning of that name inevitably brings.

@@marianmrazik9813 CONTRABASSI COÑOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE NO EARSS!!! NO EYES!!!

They don't want to work, and don't want the strong talented conductors .

Don't reduce the matter to such a naive point of view.. Nevertheless, it must've been a struggle for the editors of this clip to find 3 minutes without tremendous embarassement for the BPO...

哈哈哈genau

Aww!

@@stephenjablonsky1941 Munich phil was better than Berlin.phil back in.the day...

@@ionutzamfir5794 In the Third Reich?

ERSTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2.45 - that violinist hates her job :D

@@cheekychiko sie soll ihren Job anderen aufgeschlossenen Musiker überlassen und eine Karriere mit Kaugummigeschäft starten.

@@cheekychiko Chewing gum. :)

@@themanamana81 ZWEITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Celi offered them many rehearsals ...and karahan offered them many reccordings. the truth(secret) lies within. dirty stuff...we dont even know. Celi could have sat next to.kings and emperors.....

@@ionutzamfir5794 Celibidache is a high priest, while Karajan is a Kaiser.

@@dcar6530 i dont know brother.. kaiser here is some pork smoked meat. tasty. karajan was very good at mixing the maionaise with his left hand. not in Celi's ckass...not by a long shot

XD

Didn't really like the "turtle" side.

All big cat. You’ve never seen one of them stalking?

Have you heard the speech he gave before the rehearsal?

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh they are pissed

No, do you mind talking about it please?

@@GustafGouda No. Tell us

@@GustafGouda no...?

prodipe23 yeah whatever...

@prodipe23 I wonder how many people are driven nuts by that mentality. Dude, just chill. If she sucks, you fire her; you do not need to harrass.

@prodipe23 Respect Beauty! Sigourney Weaver can do exactly whatrever face she sees fit.

😂😂😂

LOL she's chewing gum and has that 'don't give a damn" face

I empathize with her and her discomfort at Celibidache's arrogance (great though he was at getting to the essence of a piece).

barbara, was hätte wohl daniel gesagt, wenn du so respektlos geprobt hättest ?

Back desk second

She never had to live such an experience before and she is not ready to have this again for the following years

@@MarkSlaterMusicyes, thats so professional. Especially when you think that they were all paid professional musicians.

Yeah… I don't know why Celi did not kick her out of the rehearsal. Seems she had more fun in gum chewing.

I don't think she's chewing gum. She's just angry lol I do that sometimes, and people ask me if I'm chewing gum when I'm not.

:)

A great conductor but quite abusive and arrogant in his treatment of musicians.

didn't she play a musician in Ghostbusters where she was complaining about a conductor who shouted at the orchestra...? ;)

VIOOOOOLAAAAA!!!!! *frowns comically

Abbado attending Toscanini rehearsals. La Scala, I think. He was amazed by Toscanini's talent and technique - but disgusted and appalled at how he treated the musicians.

@@TheStockwell There are recordings available. It is nothing short of shameful. I don't care how good a musical mind he was. Just imagine how great it could have been if had actually RESPECTED his musicians and worked WITH THEM!!

Mediterraneo2004 Toscanini was crazy

@@sfbirdclub yeah there's that video of him yelling at the double bass section which is pretty informative.

It's a tricky one. I once had a chat with the Bari Sax player in Buddy Rich's Big Band for years, and stories of Buddy's red hot temper were legion. But he brushed it off and said 'Yeah he was a perfectionist,for sure,and despised tardiness, but he always treated us well and looked after us'. This kinda said to me that great musicians leading bands like Buddy Rich and Toscanini were likely absolute perfectionists and horrors in rehearsals, but perhaps it was accepted cos the standards achieved were so high, and stood the test of time, and the gigs & recordings they produced were just of the highest order, which is ultimately what every top pro musician wants to achieve. They must've all known that Toscanini was a git in rehearsals, he was already an old man by the time of that clip and World famous, so they would've heard plenty of stories about him before they joined the Orchestra, and who knows, perhaps plenty of them wanted to join the Orchestra precisely because Toscanini was in charge. They were probably also paid handsomely which, let's be honest, helps a great deal when it comes to dealing with the outbursts lol. All that being said, the behaviour of the Soltis,the Toscaninis, the Reiners and the Celibidaches of this World were very much of their time, conductors can't really behave like that on the circuit these days, and get away with it.

He was loud but not arrogant.

@@Piflaser I think you should watch some interviews with him. He was arrogant, dismissing other conductors and seeing himself as the sole disciple of truth in music.

@@karldelavigne8134 Here he is very nice: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1E8S863fliU.html

@@karldelavigne8134 holy shit

@@karldelavigne8134 This is what some people like to think. There were even jokes about that, but I can witness that he was not at all an arrogant person. Very strict in rehearsing but also a fine comrade.

oh I can understand him son well ☺️

Not amused by his demeanor? They suffered through Karajan for almost 4 decades lol

​@@LOLERXPwas about to say the same thing lol

Bemerkenswerterweise ist dieser Dokumentarfilm von einem der bedeutendsten deutschen Filmregisseure gedreht worden....

@@mariusfelixlange6709 He doesn't have to shout. he should have explained all that in advance. Less vibrato and take over the phrase. I hate him.

Er erklärt doch, warum ein Vibrato, bloß weil man's kann , hier unangebracht ist.

A 30 yo Siggy eager to counter the alien.

Double the rehearsal time? No wonder they looked in despair of him lol, they were unlikely to have been paid extra That said, Celi would've needed that long to get them to play Bruckner even halfway to what he would've wanted.

Ye, any other conductor would have had just 2-3 rehearsals, if they were lucky. Mind you, this is a piece the Berlin Philharmonic are probably familiar with. Celibidache asked and got 6 rehearsals, which is equivalent to 18 hours of rehearsal.

Celi was used to conducting radio orchestra, if my memory serves me correctly. There, they have plenty of rehearsal time. I think that's why he asked for more rehearsals...

Sow Yoong Wai its true but the Music was Most of the time extreme shitty

Sow Yoong Wai in conparison Not... Karajan die Dome Great work. Das einzige was er wirklich konnte war Mahler oder Brahms zu spielen

@@pistol625 karajan was one of the really great conductors of 2nd half of the 20th century. He was not limited to Mahler and Brahms. He guided the berliner philhamoniker to great success and worldwide recognition. I am not a fan of Karajan but I greatly respect his artistic competence and dedication.

Marcio Fernandes i cant agree with this

38 years after that episode a revenge makes no sense. Nobody from that era was in the orchestra anymore. I simply think that Celibidache wants to show (and maybe to teach) a different way to make music and his ideas about playing Bruckner. But no revenge. Instead, at the beginning of the rehearsals he praised the BPO for their achievements and consistency during the decades.

Tony Smouse I KNOW!🙊

Siggy too.

An unbelievably overrated conductor.

oh, dear..

@@AndreyRubtsovRU You find me better Bruckner symphonies recordings and I'll agree with you. The only problem... there are no better ones.

vladiinsky aha!! A man with an open mind! Magnanimous and ostentatious admission the he may be wrong, followed immediately by a strenuous denial that he is. The epitome of open mindedness!! Hahahaha!!!

Jochum and Skrowaczewski come to mind

Yes, Abbie Conant was the player. Here’s a great write up of the story: www.osborne-conant.org/ladies.htm

ikr i thought it was 2015 or something

Claudio? Who is that claudio? This is Celibidache

Shut the fuck up!!

A conductor job should not be chosen by their humbleness but by their musicality

@@sebastian9445 humility is a pre requisite of any insight at all -

Have you heard the speech he gave before the rehearsal?

No. What did he say?

@@GustafGouda what did he say? We want to know !!

@@maelperron_guerra4946 He praised the Berliner Philarmoniker and their path through the years and mentioned the fact that many of them are great virtuoso playing in an orchestra. Anyway, such a speech was, in my opinion, only partially true. It could have been a "captatio benevolentiae", a way to create some empathy with the orchestra, because that orchestra had Karajan for 40 years and they all knew what bad things Celibidache thought (and said!) about Karajan. In an interview he defined Karajan "die tragischste Erscheinung aller Dirigenten" (the most tragic figure of a conductor"). After all that, Celibidache needed to create some kind of empathy with an orchestra where all the musicians grew under Karajan's leadership and who presumably worshiped Karajan. So, concluding, maybe Celibidache respected the musicians of the orchestra and somehow also the path that they did, but he never mentioned Karajan in his speech and the things he says during the rehearsals express very clearly his thoughts about the conception of music of the Berliner Philarmoniker.

those who are not Romanian as well, (I speak for myself). August 14th, sad...... Cu dragoste Maestro. The BEST!!!!!!

Ustedes los rumanos y también muchos españoles hemos lamentado la desaparición del que consideramos mejor director del mundo.

Celibidache also spoke a great Italian!

oui mais le ton de Celibidache n'invite pas à se surpasser. A se raidir et à bouder plutôt. Il pourrait dire les choses de manière plus amène.

Celi was displaying crude ignorance here. The 2nd violin didn't deserve to be shouted at.

Finally, someone sharing the truth about Celibidache's inhumanity to his fellow musicians in such eloquence. He really doesn't deserved to be revered so much. His Bruckner is grossly off tempo, totally ignoring the wishes of the composer, and still, people worship him like a deity. Everytime I hear some young person telling me how good Celi is, I asked myself, "When will justice come?"

Have you ever heard his orchestra live?

Alex Lancaster Very good points. Totally agreed.

Yet, the Bruckner recordings of this "nut" are second to none.

@@vladiinsky Yea, crazy isn't it?

@@vladiinsky wrong, they are great, but there were many equally wonderful Bruckner conductors. Jochum and Wand in almost all symphonies, Karajan in 7,8 and 9, Solti in the early symphonies... Celibidache nuts worship him like he is some god and don't even get me started on his bullshit philosophical nonsense he spewed. A great Bruckner conductor, nothing more and nothing less.

@@vjekop932 Solti a great bruckner conductor? Chuckle

@@corgansow7176 learn how to read first, then respond

Das liegt am Saal?

@@MartinSmithMFM agreed

What is ur opinion about Toscanini

I don't see anything egomaniacal and tyrannical in this rehearsal, he gives vocally the solution, negative criticism is when you propose nothing.

Forget about this clip. If you know who Celibidache was - his bitter, greater-than-life character, his attitude towards musicians and performers, especially women, and his self-absorbed stance about music, almost to a point where his own mystic interpretation and reasonings precede the music itself - then you know what I'm talking about.

@@Balfour. I know he was one of the greatest musicians of our century. People wish normality but also exceptionalism, all in same. Not always possible.

Um mestre precisa ser somente ele mesmo. Cada um em sua maneira.

She recognizes his greatness but hates the manner in which he asks for more intensity.

You must suffer if you wanna do art.

@@vladiinsky yeah. Silly comments just keep coming...

@@AndreyRubtsovRU what is silly about that? Playing in Berliner doesn't make you an almighty god, obviously the players need genius conductors to make the orchestra sound exceptional. He was right about the phrasing. Ok - the screaming is annoying, but at least the result was great, not average. What do you think great football managers do in the training with world class players? Speak tenderly, not to insult their ego? Might not always be the case, I think. I worked with average conductors who were nice and the concerts were ok, and with a handful of great ones, some of which was pretty annoying in the rehs. But my god I remember only those concerts so well... This guy is remembered by his Bruckner. Who cares if the 1st cello didn't want to be in the rehearsal. I bet he loved the concert!

@@vladiinsky there are thankfully plenty of conductors who get the result without insults and shouting

@@AndreyRubtsovRU actually better results. This is stupid from any point of view. Just wasting time and money on a useless "rehearsal"

Dear Jermaine Hicks, Many thanks for your kind message. It is Ottomar Borwitzky, 1st Principal Cello 1956-1993. All the best, Patricia

@@berlinphil Thank you very much. I've been trying to find out his name for weeks.

Faux ! Juste conscient !

Agreed

Yes

Yes

No

yes

Clearly no!