Relatedly, when they say "we’re a family here!" Dude, my dad beat me with jumper cables and my mom put out lit cigarettes on me, saying we’re family here doesn’t mean to me what it means to you.
"No personal phones at your desk." "Now, in order to log into your computer, you'll need 2FA enabled which will send confirmation to an app you're required to install on your personal device."
Right! I was pissed when we had to install *_Authenticator app_* on my “personal phone” to log into my computer to do _”work duties!”_ …but I found a way around it so now I don’t have to have the app anymore.😌
Now THAT'S the way to handle managers who think they own your life 24/7/365. Or, as I always say, "You rent my time and expertise for eight hours a day. You do not OWN me."
That's when they decide not to renew the contract. A person can only win if they have a signed contract. Most employers don't do contracts anymore. They have at will employment.
@@oldandtiredshouldberetired3436work life balance is a fringe benefit that not all companies understand. Fortunately, my employer does understand that and because I work in defense, I am obligated to charge ALL my time spent working or discussing job related matters. Winning.
@@oldandtiredshouldberetired3436 and that's fine. If they don't want to renew the contract they still won't, even if you kill yourself for the job. And who said anybody takes pleasure in continuing with unserious manager like that?
My current contract states 9-5 M-F. We can discuss a new contract with new hours and compensation if you like. I'll be available to discuss this between the hours of 9-5 M-F.
@@HaloHighlightz If someone is supposed to be available 24/7 and gets a 5 minute call a few times a week, it isn't fair to pay them ONLY the time on the phone. That also means they need to keep track of the phone and also be fit for duty. That shouldn't be free.
I may even choose to go out of my way to work more than that if you give me some warning and there's a solid reason for me to stay after or come early, but not just when you decide you need me outside those hours. Poor planning on your end does not create an emergency on my end.
I once had a manager call me at 4am about money that came up missing on a shift I wasn't even on. I asked her if she was on meth, as a joke, but she left the company a week later to check into rehab. Turns out she was. TF. 😂
Im an ERP administrator and bosses do that very often. They used to do this until i added it on my bill every month. No discussion or whatsoever, there are remarks down on the form to give reason. No need to call
IT, 30+ yrs here. On-call about 50% here as well, but not in past decade plus. I was very well compensated when I was, but NEVER again. Funny thing was, at one job, on-call paid so well, people used to clamor to get MORE, taking over other people's shifts. Best case scenario, it could boost your pay for the week by 40+%, making your sad State government wages actually look decent.
IT as well. I always hated being on call and at one point had one of those fitness trackers that also tracked your sleep. Turns out while on-call I was never getting down into the deeper layers of sleep. No wonder I always felt like crap afterwards. I stopped after that and have refused it since.
Yea at least veronica admits that after 5, she doesnt value her job enough to care what could be wrong an have the care or drive to simply answer a phone an possibly solve a problem an show value to the manager an company. I mean, how entitled do you have to be to think you are “working” and need “paid” just to answer a phone call smh. Answering what is likely a brief call is not “working after hours” smh, its being a decent person and being someone responsible enough to make sure they have a job to come back to. It shows dedication an reliability. You know who gets promoted? Not the pompous entitled one that sits there tellin me they will continue to ignore calls. Its the one who demonstrates reliability an drive. The one i can count on in a pinch or when an issue presents.
@@abyssabyss7203 . I mean, how entitled do you have to be to think you are “working” and need “paid” just to answer a phone call smh. If you cant figure out what the reason is to be paid for work then you wont understand the answer. It shows dedication an reliability. It shows you are willing to be exploited for free work. The one i can count on in a pinch or when an issue presents. "Be a team player"? That old schtick? I am on my time off, I am not working you are not paying me hence I wont work for free. Work= pay no hence no pay= no work.
@@abyssabyss7203 Oh please! Skip apologizing for thoughtless employers who think they own your time 24/7. I had a part time job with management in a different state. They called me at home 9:30 PM and wanted me to drop by the office on my day off to fax them something they should have known they needed on any of the days I was in the office. We had 3 part time employees. We provided our work schedules for them when they took over management of our office. They just assumed we would drop what we were doing to give them what could have had with a little planning ahead.
My manager and supervisors: "absolutely no cellphones" Also my manager and supervisors: constantly checking their cellphones answering clearly non work related phone calls, looking at their phones and texting as you are talking to them ...
Double standards burn me up. As a manager i never took personal calls. Especially because as an operations manager i had to have multiple cell’s and i did not want to give the impression to my employees that the rules only applied to them. I always checked/answered an returned calls an such during lunch (i never took breaks either an barely took lunches). I would work through unpaid. Doing work because its the rite thing to do and good for the customer an good for the company that pays your salary is a concept an level of work that seems more an more lost on society especially reading some of these ither comments
@@abyssabyss7203 u sound like the sort of manager I would want to work for. Wouldnt want u taking work related calls off of the clock though u deserve to be payed for that. Work related calls go through our business phone so it just doesnt even seem like they need their phones on them.
@@abyssabyss7203I had a previous job where the boss didn’t want us using our phones while we worked. She even had an issue one day when my phone was in my desk and vibrating because someone was calling me. She asked me about it and I was like “yea, but I didn’t answer it”. Like wtf. And this lady would have all types of personal calls about her kid or dog while she had you sit to speak with her
The question to ask is this: "Are you requesting that I perform work after hours for no compensation? If so, can you please put that request in witting as it is a modification of my employment agreement?"
@@drozcompany4132Don't talk to HR about it, they'll just find ways to screw you over together with your boss. Instead keep it in writing and do some research, and threaten legal action if they cross a line.
In California: can you please put that request in writing so I can file an official complaint with the state? I mean, technically, I think it's a national OSHA violation, but only some states really enforce it aggressively.
These 'skits' actually sound like real recordings of real conversations with the same awkwardness and hesitation in the voice of the managers when they are about to say something dumb that even they are aware of is unreasonable XD
Depends on the work co tract and salary position. But all that should be clearly laid out in the contract. Also when they say I need you to be a team player throw it in their face. "Sure, and I expect my team to understand and support my ability to spend my down ti.e freely, or compensate me for the extra work not covered in my contract."
@@chiefgully9353 Of course! I have worked a few salaried positions and ended up working 40-60 hours weekly in order to accomplish all of the work. Work that I actually enjoyed fortunately. It’s all about what is agreed upon initially and both sides being reasonable and respectful.
@@xandercrew6088and if we all learned from her. No one would get fired. If we all stood up to the BS. Micro managing would dissolve and management would think twice before approaching employees with mundane garbage and REALLY do thier job like managing the company and quit trying to act like Betty or Barney bad @$$ and control everyone.
Not if you are a salaried employee… In most states if you are pay the salary, they expect you to work whatever hours they tell you to essentially…. You can obviously remind them that your agreement was 9 to 5 with a 40 hours a week as max work hours… So if you work more than 40 hours a week, you were literally giving yourself a pay cut because you could be working another job making hourly or more salaried money. It kind of sucks …. There needs to be work reform. People who are paid the salary should have to be paid some kind of overtime pay past 40 hours so companies stop making people work more for less money and with no promotion and no and no pay increase in sight. Hourly people get paid overtime as time and a half and double time on holidays … If we did the same thing for salaried employees, may be companies would start thinking about hiring more people instead of working other people to death all the while the corporate heads make millions of dollars in bonuses a year while they flaunt it in front of us
@sickofcrap8992 lol no the exempt status applies to A salaried working making ove x in compensation And a few other specific use cases. Being salaried alone does not exempt you. Likewise their are still laws governing work hours for those employees though usually these are contractually based.
You could have a set rate for phone calls. Say $25 a minute for phone calls after 5pm. That would force the company to decide if they really needed to talk to you on your time off.
It's a thing, for sure. At my work, a call outside of work hours (from a manager asking someone to do work tasks, I mean, not one team member texting another about car pooling or whatever) is treated as the equivalent of coming in for a 3-hour shift, even if the problem is resolved remotely in a few minutes. It's amazing how many problems can wait until the next day.
I like her and everything she says is correct. It’s sad that acting like this will get you fired however. This simply doesn’t work in real life as much as we all wish it did.
My dad said it was because everything went corporate stockholders and most jobs are no longer Union. But there will be the debate and argumentos about the pros and cons of Union.
Funny because it does work like this. Only fear makes you choose otherwise. Basically, you are choosing to be in an abusive relationship. I do not take calls or texts outside of my work hours...period. Been working at the same place for going on nine years. I've been homeless before and I survived. What on earth can an employer do to me? I have no fear of an employer. I fulfill my work agreement and that's it.
❤❤❤ I was salaried only twice and both worked out well considering ❤ was on call 24/7 but they were great ppl to work for. Today I couldn’t see myself doing it again unless the benefits were out of this world.
Best I ever had at this one place (IT) was that if you had a call after hours, on-call or not, it was an automatic 1 hour of OT on your timesheet as soon as you answer. There was also a, legally-required, on-call premium if you were on-call. If you were not on-call then it was 'best effort' which meant I will call you back when and if I want to. And if I do, that's 1 hour OT on my timesheet. Loved the pay, hated being on-call.
I've worked in some offices where this exact conversation led to that employee being fired either immediately or within a few hours. I'm all for knowing your worth but if you don't have a backup plan then lie through your teeth till you're ready to walk out that door.
Knowing your worth is exactly it. If they're willing to fire you over this, sorry to say, but you weren't worth that much to them. Anybody willing to play this card, should be able to gauge the risks..... However, on a bigger picture, this video is not a bad message to send societally. Always gotta try and set higher standards.
They could've sued and been compensated. They could've secured themselves with a documentation of their discussion. Discrimination is the hardest thing for a corporation to protect themselves from
@@quoteme.goddess6957 What illegal discrimination do you see here? Most states are at-will employment, meaning that you are free to quit & they are free to fire you for any legal reason, or for no reason. The only limit is that they can't fire you for an illegal reason.
@@kanderson-oo7us so, just think about what you are saying for a moment. At-Will work states still have rules when it comes to what is or is not a legal reason for firing; discrimination isn't the exclusive territory of that. Ask yourself, do you think firing someone for being unwilling to do unpaid labor for a company would be a legal, or illegal reason for firing someone? Bearing in mind that companies still have to document and catalog specifically why someone is being fired(ex: for unemployment insurance purposes) and if in the course of an investigation it's found that they likely lied about that reason, do you think that has stuff penalties, or doesn't have any at all? 🙃
I don't think it's funny because I have had all of these same conversations and been harassed, gaslighted, and layed off with no warning every single time. Right now I am still going through this crap except now I have a union job which just makes the whole back and forth even more petty. Veronica is serious. It's her managers that are the joke.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 If they got a union, Veronika need to be head of it and teach classes, because if I could’ve spoken with such grace, I would still have my little job.
I had a boss like this once. I told them they own me for 8 hrs a day, I am not obligated to respond beyond that. I don't care what is going on after my shift. So I agree. Pay extra if you want extra. Or expect the bare minimum for paying minimum.
I'd like her to say " I have an agreement at work, that we don't have cell phones out due to the nature of what we do. I have an agreement with my family members I don't have my cell phone out at home due to what we do. "
that is a major difference between companies here in the us vs elsewhere. it's like companies here think they own your off time and if you don't answer them you're not a "team player" yet they don't pay you for the time they expect you to give them off the clock.
Veronica is my inspiration- unapologetically direct! She knows what she wants. She clearly articulates without becoming aggressive or using foul language. She casually outsmarts management with their own employee requests and policies each and every time! Veronica you are my shero!❤
I've had the same very solid stand on this for the past 7 years. No on call, and when i was hourly, I stated any call would be billed at a minimum of 1 hour of time. Now that I'm salary, I've just ignored it. Also glad I work on a team now that all feels the same way and never bothers me.
On- Call pay is a thing. If a company needs access to employees after hours, then they're "on- Call" and there's an expected pay for that availability. Usually not full hourly pay for that, but you should be also paid if you're actually contacted and required to do any work related things.
You mean the generations before gen Z that put up with all the shit they put up with so they could earn a decent living? One that allowed little gen Z'ers to participate in extracurricular sports.. clubs.. etc? One that put food on the table so baby gen Z had something to eat 3 times a day? Previous generations did what was necessary to provide for their family. Stop making this a generational thing and see it for what it is. A rich vs poor.. boss vs employee thing. I don't know anyone in my 55 years on this planet who consciously chose to spend time at work rather than with their family without that choice providing a tangible benefit for their family. Myself... personally... I spent 20 years working myself to exhaustion for employers and family. It took a near death accident to make me realize that NO ONE in my life at the time valued ME for anything more than what they could get from me... so I quit them all.... and started working for myself. I was not put on this earth "for the benefit of others".
😅 yes! I made them get me a phone, I don’t answer when I’m driving and I don’t answer after 5pm . Period end of story. I’m salaried, so it’s a fine line before you making less than you would hourly if you let them take advantage of you. Loving this channel! Update: boss tried to by pass my work phone not answering while driving by having a co worker call me on my personal cell. Same answer, I’m driving home, can’t this wait till tomorrow morning??! It did wait 😝
That’s right!!! And until we have some reform in the workplace with how salaried employees are paid for time beyond 40 hours a week, Weekends, and holidays… we have to be the Frontline for our own sanity
I once went to an interview for a job that wanted entire control of our phone. Training was a month and during the 1st week of training they asked us for our phones because they were going to install a monitor app (It was basically malware that let the company control your phone) pretty much half of the people training noped out right there, and I was part of the other half which stayed only to get paid for the full 4 weeks of training. All of us were outside of HR handing in notices on the day after the last class of training. I still heard an HR intern say "omg, I do not understand why we have 98% turnover rate and people do not last more than 4 months here". After that I just deleted everything from my phone and reinstalled the other apps.
@@rapidloving Yes, you can fire someone for not being willing to work outside biz hours. OR you can fire them for no official reason at all (but everyone knows why). It's called "at will employment"
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@@1ofakindgirl444 usually, when i've seen people challenge management like this , they either are now ineligible for promotion and/or one day they are just no longer with the company. Could be a week, could be a few months.
Any employer that uses the phase "team player" or " we are a family" is a red flag and will be told "Not my circus, not my monkeys" . I only work the hours that I get paid for its the entire purpose of my continued employment. I definitely wouldn't work if I was independently rich. Dont know a single person that would.
"How do we fix this?" I really expected her to say something about being more organized from 9-5 so that time sensitive problems don't come up after 5 in the first place.
Ex-freaking-actly.. Worked for a place that was just like this. No phones in the shop floor but they sure got pissy when you didn’t answer at 1 A.M. when they wanted you to come in to work on some B.S. “emergency” job. I had my number changed and when pestered about what the new number was, told them it was 200-5000. No, that’s not my phone number, that’s how much I expect to be added to my check every week for the privilege of them having it.
When I was an employer my experience was the opposite. I allowed my staff to take calls or texts if needed, but asked that they remember the context that we were on a site and had to get things done. I did find some people were annoyed when I called after hours to ask them a question, but the people who got annoyed were still taking advantage of being able to communicate with their family at work.
The company I worked for did the same exact thing to me but with a cell phone and a laptop. I told them I did not need the cell phone or laptop at home. They threatened to fire me if I did not take them. So I did. When I got home after working 10 hours I just turned them off. I ended up leaving the company a year later.
I had middle management ask me to stay behind after quit time. I did that person's job after the Sun went down, and they went home and left me to do their job. The next day I made sure that her gig never arose again.
Employer trying to pretend an hourly employee is on call 24/7... good for Veronika standing up to that. "How can we fix this?" 1. Wait until I'm at work. 2. Pay me to be on call.
My boss called me once on a Sunday during family time and I was already a bit tipsy. He asked me where is x and y (can't remember exactly what he needed) and I asked him back "are you ok?" He seemed confused and kept asking and again I answered "I'm with my family, are you ok? Are you ok?" He then said I see you tomorrow and hung up. I guess my tone of voice was a bit pissed off. He never bothered me after that in my off time again 😂
We got almost the EXACT talks at work. But then they decided for THEIR benefit, everyone had to get a cellphone at our own expense. So we could be "on call" 24/7. But not be paid for being on call. And don't ever shut it off either. Ummmmm NO!
"How do we fix this?" It's easy - set up an on-call schedule, with monetary compensation. Or, if you simply can't pay me that money, give me comp time equal to whatever time I spent doing work during my off-hours.
I worked for the sewer department of a city for many years and when they had after hours emergencies, they had a difficult time calling people in. The solution: they paid them to be on call and they were compensated whether they were called in or not. You can't ask people to be on standby and not enjoy their off time, families, etc., "just in case". And you can't have sewer running down the street because no one is answering their phone. They paid them. That did it.
Wow, where are you working? I’ve seen most scenarios in the videos this channel produces. Granted, that’s almost 40 years of work experience, but I’ve seen many employers pull this crap.
I had a manager that got pissed that I don't share my cellphone number to clients. I told him I would need a company cell phone, I don't share that with clients. end of story, end of him bitching, at least on that.
That’s why places try to get away with paying you salary so they don’t think they have a non working time. Ridiculous!!! Pay me for after hours if you want after business hours .
I solved that problem by having 2 cell phones. One for personal and one that I labeled as my work phone. The work phone number was the one listed on all my company employee information forms. However, that phone was also turned off at the end of the workday, on my days off, and on weekends. It was never answered off hours and went straight to voice mail.
Hell yea!!! Companies today think that just because we live and work where we are all able to be connected 24\7 that they can demand 24/7 service from their employees.
My previous company had an app that we could see our work emails on our PERSONAL PHONE...my older coworker 62 and I 58 did not down load it...because we said the same thing...I am not paid be on call 24/7/365 my hours are from 8:30 -4:30...anything after 4:30 will be handled the next business and when on vacation I am ON VACATION AND I AM NOT TO DISTURBED I am spending with family/friends...working to long for companies BS!
I feel like everything changes when you start seeing things like this as an OFFER which you are free to kindly refuse to take, just like Veronica does. „No thanks.“
The "being a teamplayer" bs always annoys me. We're not a "team". I'm your scapegoat when shit hits the fan and once I've become replaceable you will do so. There's no team here.
