Centaura: Lack of Strategic Sense 

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More things to note for me personally is how we see instances of armored cars being used as breakthrough vehicles as if they are tanks. When in reality they probably have less than an inch of armor making them vulnerable to rifle rounds and have them be easily stuck in off-road terrain. This is seen in Coastal Battery Q, Mons Planus and Route 23. In reality, armored cars during this time are either tasked with transporting high value military personnel or reconnaissance.

centaura tactics: send as many people into highly defended positions and hope you sent more men than they have bullets

For Blackton, that villiage never was a goal, it was simply where the two armies first met. I do agree with your trench arguments but they mainly do that for gameplay reasons. Id say the forest trench map wasn’t worth the usual 3-4 thousand dead for medical supplies and artillery, and Route 23 was a planned offensive, every other way is surrounded by thick forest that prevents armor getting through, and by now Antares likely needs time to recover its troops before any new major offensive. Plenty of IRL examples of route 23 happen IRL too, and in Route 23 the infantry work with the armor, the armor providing (not very good) covering fire and blowing up some defenses and enemy tanks, while the infantry paves the way for Antaren armor to drive deeper. Route 23 also has air support, unseen until this point in game. This map was more or less a gamble to end the war as soon as possible

My Opinion is for WHY you don't spawn into trenches is because you'd be like Antares on Mons Planus and get near to capturing a Cetan trench their just going to spawn immediately and gun you down. Its probably more or less for gameplay and not for a Aneurysm.

This is war it’s highly erratic and spontaneous, let me take the battle of Gettysburg to help prove it. The battle of Gettysburg was fought from july1-3 1863 when Ap hills corps stumbled across a cavalry unit under John Buford in the small town of Gettysburg, Gettysburg played no pivotal role in the campaign until that point, it was just a small town that lee had orders be taken for the small depot there and it ended up being the biggest and bloodiest battle in American history.

I’m pretty sure for blackton, it was one of the most valued towns due to its mines which both the corvuns and the cetans needed. The cetans to mine iron, and the corvuns for the coal industry. Because Cetus took over the mines, Corvus’ coal industry suffered sending them into an economic collapse. I dunno though not really a tactical genius.

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I think that most of the errors in strategic logic is simply for the purposes of gameplay

Blacktown is the frist battle were two armis met,it was a coldmine, reason for the war, and Kelson Village was a holding point for Cetus, they have already lost much territory so they would like to stop the Corvun at th villages befor ethey got to the big cities.

Well, it is meant to be a prequel to DEAD AHEAD. Made after Noobic Sea. And Capri valley is the oldest map. Made to be just a place holder (I think) back in the days of Gridlock. Plus, there mostly working on dead now. Plus theres a chance that Grid lock was going to be a test for atoll. Which is very, very chaotic.

In route 23, I understand what you are saying. In the lore, General Archer was criticized for his bullhead style of attack in the Aquilan campaign , which is sending men straight into a fortified position and hope it works. For Ascendens forest, maybe the Aquilan soldiers are caught by surprise and need to quickly move.

The owner explicitly stated all maps in Centuara are relatively minor in the grander scheme of things. They are not battles that defined an entire campaign or turned the tide of battle. Even if a country was able to win on a certain map (or even all maps in a given campaign), Antares and her allies will still manage to conquer the entire country in lore.

If someone else said this already, then extra reminder: None of the battles are very pivotal to the wars. It was intended that the maps were not major so that the result of the war remained the same. So, winning as the Cetus marines won't cause a major change. In fact, it is explicitly said (if I recall correctly) that only a few portions of the navy landed. The end result is already that they failed their mission. Your success (as the marines) was shadowed by the overall strategic failure. Another counterargument surrounding places with minor objectives for major investments into, is the frontline. Inconsequential places might become the point of contention between two armies. That, or I'm wrong.

Explanation 1 : resources. Explanation 2 : chlorine gas was probably added during the battle. other than that no importance other than a skirmish where the 2 sides happen to meet. 3: trenches cannot work their intended purpose at steep elevation. trenches also have some form of cover (plank boards) from artillery. other than that, makes sense.

By the way, Route 23 is VERY strategic; Route 23 leads straight towards Talona, which is one of Aquila’s major cities. Securing Route 23 was for their supply chains, and capturing Talona would allow them to have a supply hub in enemy territory.

The cetan marine corps landing map is great too IMO.

I remember in the lore forma was bigger than earth 12 times so the population was double to alot of people and alot of those people are in centaura

Campaign idea: an Antares' assult onto an important Aqualia's outpost AT NIGHT. With a lot of spawn point for the Antares around the outpost. The Aqualian army could turn on light for their outpost for a better vision but also risk getting their supply depot and HQ to be revealed. Meanwhile the Antares army is armed with bazooka (or whatever rocket launcher in ww1), heavy satchel and tnt to either destroying the outer wall or sneak in and uses it on the objective. Aqualian got armed with player-controlled machine gun nest and flare gun to spot the Antares. Also Antares army could infiltrated the sewer for easier access, the aqualian got an enough pack of tnts to either blow up the sewer (blocked the Antares' way in but also collapsed some of the MG nest) or use it on 2 out of 5 supply truck in the spawn point to prevent the demolitionist (or the bazooka carrier), grenadier and assult from spawning. Rate this campaign chat.

Here is what I think (I may get some stuff wrong): Blackton: It was a really strategic town it provided for a lot of the Corvun economy when it was seized in 1886 the Corvus economy suffered greatly so it would be vital for the Corvuns to capture to improve their economy. For Cetus it would also be vital to capture since it provided for a lot of the Corvun economy if the Cetans held it they could dig in and let the Corvun economy collapse. Kelson Village: I believe it was most likely a test of the gas or it was a small skirmish during a larger offensive. Capri Valley and Mons Planus: I agree with you I think the dev did it for gameplay. Acendence Forest: The Antares must have moved faster than the Aquilans expected so they probably found out when it was too late and couldn't occupy the whole trench. Route 23: Again I agree with you I think the dev did it for gameplay. Battery Q and Rolands Prairie: Yes, I agree with you.

Mons planus could possibly be under defended, since Cetus was too busy fighting Corvus.

Roland’s Prairie’s is one of the many fortresses in the Ring of Fire, it’s impossible to attack between the forts because of the howitzers and forests, artillery isn’t used and is out of the question because of the valuable artillery positions stationed there that could be exploited. Lastly, it’s has a similar resemblance to the Battle of Verdun. It could all just be my opinion though, anyone may share their thoughts.

For Whitemouth Estuary, I do agree with the Officers, they would try to Conserve Manpower, Equipment, and Ships, and try to Escape to Riaa or Columba, what the Exercutis Maris did was kinda Stupid, then again, they're Marines, "Brave and Foolish.", They Basically Did A Gallipoli. I mean, they would Probably be in their 30s, maybe late 40s if they're an Officer, by the Time the Antares Imperium tried to Invade Columba. But oh well. (Why did bro Forgor about Whitemouth Anyway) RECLAIM OUR HOMELANDDDDD 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥 Also, I believe the Final Aquilan Map (The Battle of Talona), will basically be a Stalingrad or Moscow moment, I Imagine the Imperium would Replace the Comical Amount Of Artillery With CAS. (Close Air Support, like Dive Bombing or Strafing Runs)

Imma use some parables here: If your a fallout player, imagine the countries as the NCR fighting itself. More bodies than bullets idea. If you are a Real time strategy or TBS player, the war is a war of attrition. Someone will give in.

It’s meant to be a war over nothing, a battle over a small segment of land nobody cares for.

Blackton was used for economic purposes and to give materials to their navy

Keep in mind Forma is much larger than Earth and more soldiers can be fielded than in our timeline

Ngl the mg and the armored car in this game are way too op they have ww1 mg and they fire like 20mm shells

im not well versed in Centaura lore but arent some of these early war stuff just like in real life id assume commanders still have that Napoleonic was mindset causing them to make tatical blunders thats my excuse for the small town maps

for blacktown you do realize its a gold mine right i mean for gods sake the description is a IMPORTANT GOLD MINING TOWN not coal (im not trying to beef with u just saying it) for Kelson Village yeah i can get your point For the Trench maps its possibly because uhh idk its the only way for military vehicles to cross since im guessing the terrain is too mountainus and for mons planus you can clearly see the sheer ammount of forrests and not to mention the fact that the armored vehicles don't drive through trees unlike our era also i wonder how will our planet react when faced with the entirety of forma

Honestly I find the argument of the city not being significant enough to warrant pouring loads of resources into rather invalid. The ongoing war in Ukraine is a perfect example of this. Bakhmut had little strategic value, and still both Russia and Ukraine poured tens of thousands of men into it, culminating in the second longest active battle in history (second only to Verdun), and at LEAST 40k deaths, the deadliest battle of the war (to my knowledge). The battle was purely for glory on both sides, it simply had no value beyond that. Another example is the tiny village of Robotyne on the southern front, it had less than 200 population before the war began, and still it was the main offensive point during last summer's Ukrainian offensive, of which fighting in the village lasted around 3 months, also with obscene casualty numbers. There's even a Russian counteroffensive ongoing in what remains of the village, for little reason more than deducting Ukraine's already minuscule gains during its previous offensive. There are plenty more examples from other wars, such as Stalingrad, Verdun, and so on. So to sum it up, Cetus most likely had a no-step-back mentality when it came to the war, as territorial losses would show their weakness, ultimately explaining why they put so much into defending such small settlements. I'm not exactly an expert on Centauran lore, but that's just my theory. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Have you... played Centaura? On route 23 its pretty much just a wait until Aquila loses, I have never seen a single game where Aquila wins route 23 (maybe because they're made to lose it).

What was 3:24 ive never seen that in game

"no stratigic sense" Battery Q, roland praire, ascendens forest, route 23, blackton: alright, screw the commanders that planned these attacks then

Um actually Blackton is a rich coal mining town which is important for both sides to supply the war effort and for economy

Tbh centuara is just gameplay it’s realistic at the same time fast paced smaller maps are needed for it to be less of a running simulator

Fighting through the forests of mon planus would be extremely fun, but alas the constricts of not enough players would make encounters with other players rarer and imbalance the game

Blud this is actually logical. Like in real life wise too, Blackton was a waste of manpower on both sides. Kelson could actually somehow destroy like a quarter of Cetus's military. Cetus is known for being undermanned and seriously it would be a massacre. For Capri there are two possible reasons 1. One of the side probably made unfinished trenches and were forced to retreat 2. They were abandoned long ago -Mons planus is alright -For Ascandes I 100% agree -Route 23? Antareans are just stupid But hey a game is a game

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Okay, I’m gonna be the guy who happens to have a centaura pfp who disagrees, who would have guessed… but your entire argument is just “why didn’t they flank,” and this is just, a really bad argument because first, players already do flank, it’s how point b falls in route 23, flank points are what’s fought over in Mons Planus, but of course what you mean is a large flanking offensive which would have to sever the attacking team in half because at that point two different attacks are happening at once, and we already know that’s a horrible idea, look at Whitemouth, because you completely ignore it, most defending and attacking players spawn at their A spawns, because A is the more important objective, but you also never see anyone flank using Goldcrest as a launching point, that’s unheard of because what centaura showcases are small battles. You say Blackton has way too many people committed to it, I say that’s a pretty small amount considering the planet is almost 3 times the size of the earth.. anyway, just as your video is, just some counter argument to your claim

"Route 23 is suicide mission" Excuse me?! How the hell are we supposed to siege a city then?! Sit and watch them sit in the city?!

Basically; Centura Cringe, Metal Gear based

You can clearly tell which battles they actually cared about, and which ones just existed for the sake of pushing forward the game (hence the trench maps) One thing to keep in mind, Centaura is built off the idea of authenticity through it's lore and backed up by it's gameplay, not attempting to display a flash of realism. Sure you can widen the trench maps and such, but it would ruin the game and imbalance it. People already complain about dying to stuff out of their control (artillery strikes hitting them ever so accurately, MGs infinitely preventing them from accessing points) so why would you further make that the case? This whole video just feels un-done. The fact that "so much manpower was poured into seemingly useless areas" also seems to have no fruit to bear for it's argument. A thousand deaths? For a town? In a world-war 1 like war? That's rookie numbers. Verdun was useless, so were many others in the first world war. What makes them important is their symbolism and their place in the dominoes that are set to crash onto Cetus. Cetus wasnt "lacking manpower", but alot of it was headed to the Navy which stopped being effectively useful to the war a few years in. Cetus had manpower, but it became glaringly clear the war was not sustainable especially after 3-4 years of fighting already. So they collapsed under the pressure of a empire 4x larger than them and a hyper-militaristic state to it's north. Blackton is important because it symbolised what was taken from Corvus years ago. Their coal industry, which reckoned the Corvun economy to it's knees. It's also just on the front line in general, it's safe to assume that battles like this occured everywhere. Trenches were clearly broken quite fast into the war, and marching through on the side of a hill seems implausible considering the overall circumstances of the volatility of the war. Fighting through a forest without your supply lines also seem impractical. You could be reinforcements on trucks only simply arriving to find the other regiments both too shattered to fight, meaning you are the next wave. Even if I didnt go far to explain some of the factors in these maps, they simply explain themselves by not being necessary to constantly question for the game to seem authentic. This video is a waste of 3 and a half minutes.

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centaura sucks, go play dead ahead

Everyone and me can't respect your opinion bud