it takes time to fix problems caused by mental health. If you have a disorder or know someone close with a disorder it is really hard to overcome the challenges that they bring. In this case with this person it is more than likely that they do have some mental illness and hording is a result of it.
If you think you’d make a better politician then run for office! Otherwise shut the hell up if you aren’t willing to do what it takes to solve the problem!
I've worked with a hoarder and it's sad to see how they live. When they say they are working on the issue, that just means they move junk from one spot to another. Nothing ever gets thrown away.
One person's junk is another person's treasure. She needs proper storage to properly organize. Some people hoard money , some hoard fancy items , she hoards items that are an eyesore. It's still worth money!
you don't listen well do you... its been recent months that its gotten this bad. the city knows about this and has not until recent months been able to do anything about it because it has just recently spilled out into the yard this bad.
@@loligagger85 i listen just fine....cities are well known for ignoring this stuff until it does become a hazard. Early intervention prevents this. Activate a brain cell.
Some flat tires on her truck might slow down the influx..just sayin'. Think that's mean ? Well what is creating a wharf rat haven and neighborhood health danger ?
Send in my mom. She is at the other end of the spectrum, she is a compulsive declutterer. She throws away good food, utensils, other peoples’ stuff, and angrily denies ever doing it. She will let you look for something for hours, knowing that she already tossed it out. She would love to clean up this hoarder’s home.
& What exactly would you do ? Hoardering is a mental disorder, it will take more than "yelling" at her. She is a compulsive hoarder, She needs extensive therapy.
@@emiilyjaane7 Everyone had a mental illness t8day but when I see rats around my house and my kids can't play outside that's when IDGAF about your problem!!!
It won’t do any good, I’m a code enforcement officer and have dealt with hoarders in the past I had a property that was hoarded and the owner refused to clean it up, after thousands of dollars in citations and years of back and forth to court I was able to acquire a court order and have it cleaned up, not even a year later it was hoarded again
@@DennisBurger-hc3ie I'm assuming It's because they weren't offered resources such as Therapy. Sounds like they are a compulsive hoarder, which is a mental disorder.She/He would need to work with specialists to manage the urge to want to keep everything.
@@DennisBurger-hc3ie Reaching out to possible family members, community groups or the county or the state resources to assist with the underlying mental health issue not an option in your enforcement officer OR city admins tool kits?
Hoarding is a mental disorder, the homeowner needs mental help, I have a neighbor that's a hoarder, we work with her to keep it somewhat under control but she definitely has mental problems.
I live next door to a hoarder but I don’t consider this woman to be one since she appears to just collect literal garbage that attracts rodents and bugs 🚫 My neighbor accumulates mostly furniture and household items which is still an eyesore but at least not a health hazard like this. I consider this woman to just be insane more than a “hoarder”.
@@Stressless2023 The neighbors call it trash, but in her mind she doesn't believe it to be just trash. She needs resources such as Therapy to help her. Citations, Court and the city cleaning it up won't do anything for her mental health. It will be dirty again within a month.
So every war veteran should hoard garbage that attracts rats? So many excuses by pseudo psychs here but you don't actually do a thing about it but have an excuse. Too many people claiming "trauma" yet we have quad vets who don't crap up the neighborhood.
@@jamesm568 Trauma is one of the reasons, whether you want to acknowledge that or not. Most people who hoard don't live like this just to live like this. People who have a hard time going through grief from a close loved on they lost years ago can go into hoarding. Grief is normal, but complicated grief is a trauma to losing a loved one. Are all hoarding a result of trauma? No, but it's a result of some mental health issues generally. These people should be helped, and I feel bad for those in that neighbirhood.
Sounds like the city failed the citizens. Why did it take so long. Citations should have been more frequent. Follow up more frequently and taken to court sooner.
Health hazards, animal hazards, and I'm SURE fire hazards. I believe in leaving the neighbors alone and respect peoples right to do as they choose on their own property. (there's a BUT here..) BUT if a property becomes dangerous to neighbors and negatively impacts the health and safety, and property values around it, time to take legal... LEGAL action.
I agree. The lady just needs a helping hand, it is most likely overwhelming her. After she gets her home cleaned up hopefully she can get some t ype of community service to help prevent this issue in the future like weekly maid service.
Yes, but most people with disorders like this do not want help and don’t want to deal with the underlying issues causing the hoarding. Cleaning up the hoard will be a benefit to those that want help around them and then they can decide if they want to change.
It’s been on the news in Houston, Texas. My next-door neighbor was a hoarder that’s why I moved. On the news and said it was over two years of legal paperwork that you have to pay for to get the neighbor to clean up their crap. He was only 35 and something was really going wrong upstairs, he would keep my packages and open my mail. I know it’s a felony. You have to prove that knowing it which you did but how you gonna prove it. I went to pick up my package and there was probably 25 dead cockroaches by his front door. And he walk through the front door 10 times a day .. leaves all the dead cockroaches there disgusting.
Everyone in my immediate family, is a hoarder. Idk how many times we've cleaned out my parents' home, and within 2-weeks, it's back to the way it was. At the end of my dad's life, he had to have many lift assists from falling, and he was pushing 350-375. Despite using a walker to walk, my parents would not keep it clutter-free. There was less than 3 feet of clearance in a path throughout a small home. Then my mom, started having diabetic emergencies, and the EMTs came into the home. After my dad passed from COVID, and nearly my mom, too, and they released my mom too early from the hospital, while picking her up, the EMTs, finally had enough, and notified code enforcement. ...but it still didn't phase my mom. She didn't care, and just lost her husband. Hoarding is on the Anxiety and OCD spectrum. It's often triggered by loss, or trauma. If left untreated, it doesn't matter how many times you clean it up, she will have it looking worse, in no time, because it sends them into a panic. People leave their lives. They feel like their things never will, and attach everything to a memory. This woman needs long-term mental health help, and support. Without cognitive behavioral therapy, counseling, medicine, and someone to show her how to upkeep her home with frequent checks, this will never end, until she passes away. I see that her neighbors are complaining, but has anyone actually offered to help her clean it up? Mobilized neighbors, to help a sick neighbor in need? She needs help, and in life, it takes a village. Instead of complaining, and turning her in, that does nothing, offer to help her pick up the yard... even if it's just one trash bag a day... it has to start somewhere. Choose kindness. This woman is very sick, and her home is likely effecting her physical health, too. Help. Her.
Why can't anyone say that hoarders are manipulative and selfish? They dont care about their neighbors or community. Her rights end when she attracts rodents. Their precious garbage is more important than people. See ow patient you are when your kids and grandkids live next to this landfill of the neighborhood. The smell must be atrocious in this heat!
I agree. Yeah they have some mental health issues, but when they live in a populated area with neighbors in close proximity, their disorder should not be allowed to cause public health issues and be a public eyesore. Health departments and ordnance enforcement should have the ability to shut down these hoarder hazzards more quickly.
I feel for you all. With the mess and especially with the vermin. Typing this as I sit here waiting for a pest control company (any of the FIVE I left messages with will do) to call us. We caught a young opossum in our den last night. He was fairly small, so we put him in a box and took him 2 blocks away to a nearby ravine. But we know there is another in the basement. He can’t get upstairs (we 🙏) but we want him out and the entrance they are used blocked. Thanks for letting me vent.
I’m guessing by now that you’ve had your own vermin problem taken care of. (I hope anyway.) I always find myself inspecting the house after these kinds of news reports.
@@MamaJLW Hey Mama, you are psychic? I literally (honestly) just walked in from releasing Big Paulie back into the wild. (Everything gets a name in this house 🤪) We had a pest control company in on Monday but the tech couldn’t find him. So we bought a HaveA❤️ trap and the opossum beat the trap 3 TIMES! It was like a low-budget horror movie. Thank God the basement is contained once the door is closed, or I would have spent the week in a motel. But he is gone now, and we think we’re alone. But we are setting the trap again just in case …. Thanks for the pep talk!
@@MamaJLW just a quick note: The tech was great and inspected our place inside and out, and she could not figure out how they were getting in. And we still don’t know. (Disclosure: I found a young one sleeping in the laundry basket in July, so we threw more laundry on it and hustled it outside. But we figured that maybe, somehow it got in with the cats and chalked it up to just one of those things.) There are worse things to find in one’s basement, but for sheer ugly possums take the cake.
@@MamaJLW Update: When we last spoke my husband and I had just returned from releasing Big Paulie. (We gave him food and water while he was here because we’re nice, and also we didn’t him to die in the wall.) From there he kinda morphed into being a secondary pet, and we named him because we name everything in the joint 🤪. The next morning I went to clean the area and noticed Paulie has actually made use of a litter box. Like, a lot! I was extremely impressed. While they remain as fugly as they ever were, I must say we’ve had worse human visitors. Cheers from here 🇨🇦
Crazy that a hoa has more power than a state. If she lived in a HOA, her house would have been confiscated by the HOA. Since she doesn't live in a hoa, they county and State can't do anything
How can they not do anything? They can give her a citation to leave her property if she doesn't clean it, and issue a warrant for her arrest. They can put a note on the door saying the house is inhabitable so that anyone, including the home owner, would be trespassing if they try to get into the property. I don't understand. How is there nothing they can do?
I keep thinking about trying to sell in that neighborhood. At least our neighbor who is a hoarder keeps it in the house and garage. There is a tiny bit of spillage into the back yard but they’ve been fined by the HOA so keep it to a minimum. It’s weird to have this immaculate front yard with well trimmed grass and a backyard that’s knee deep in weeds. But, hey, at least it’s just weeds and not trash back there! They slowly got rid of the pile. Although they quit parking in the garage so they probably just moved it…. 🤔
Only the young guy mentioned that she might need help. She has been through some loss or something traumatic and needs therapy. Sad to see, I tried to help a couple different friends that were horders and unfortunately I don't realize it came with a mental instability issue and they went into a psychosis. One of them was actually all for the clean up and organization of the house but then woke up one day thinking that I poisoned the milk and planes were flying over to spy on her and she was under the kitchen table. I had no idea what to do, I learned quickly that pot can't help every mental condition. Heartbreaking
Thank you for this post. I've got a neighbor who lost his wife to a violent mugging that left her to die from brain damage after two years of epilepsy attacks. He's borderline and getting worse and I'm getting worn out trying to talk sense to him and 'helping him organize', because I'm the one that ends up doing all the work, and then he just brings more into the cleaned up spaces. I think it's time I washed my hands of it like all his other friends and just start repeating, "Clean it up yourself or get professional help."
Sometimes washing your hands of the situation is a powerful message. It worked for a sister who was constantly being beaten by her various partners. Once we told her that we weren’t going to take her to the ER anymore something clicked in her brain. She realized that there was secondary trauma to her loved ones. We just couldn’t keep dealing with it. She got divorced and therapy. Her current husband has been around for nearly 20 years now and is a much better man than any of the others. I’m glad she found worth in herself. @@SewingBoxDesigns
Floors rotted, plumbing destroyed, walls moldy and rotting. If this person has stuffed the attic, ceiling in danger of collapsing. Lots of work there, and perhaps a condemned order. 😑 Ten years, eugh. It breaks my heart when the clean up crews find deceased pets.
Exactly! What is going on? There are options, and they are doing none of them. Cities can leave notices of evacuation to the resident, and if she refuses to leave, have a warrant for her arrest. There are things they can do, they're just not doing it.
Our ex-tenant was a hoarder and was "working on it" too. LIES. 100% LIES. She did so much damage and left it all with zero remorse for us to deal with.
There has been a couple recently on the news in our area. Where do the people get all of this stuff. The city should not allow this at all! Citations do nothing.
Why doesn't anyone call those decluttering/cleanup companies that also employ psychologists to work with the hoarder. Why not work with the person instead of against them?
Every now and then (usually right after she has to deal with my aunt), my mom calls and tells me to just burn her house down when she dies. Just to be clear, my mom is not even CLOSE to a true hoarder, especially compared to my aunt! She has a lot of Knick Knacks and a fair amount of boxes of stuff in the basement but the rest of the house is spotless. Her refrigerator on the other hand has science experiments still in there from 2015! It will just be chained up and taken directly to the landfill when the time comes! (No surprise, I’m a compulsive food thrower awayer.)
This situation?? Exponential other situations exactly the same! In existence for decades! "Working on the issue?" Will NEVER happen. "These people" cannot help themselves. It will only get worse...
Why haven’t ADULTS stepped in sooner? Are they the same ADULTS who have been trying to oust the Dolton mayor in Illinois? Why have humans become so afraid of stopping obvious madness?
If it's anything like one house I almost worked on as a handy person, the owner drove the truck once or twice and lost the keys! 🤷🏼♀️ Man that mess wasn't as bad as this, but still, heroin addict died in bed and laid there for a month. We refused the job. 😑 They left the damn bed.
@@SewingBoxDesigns My friend is a contractor he went to bid on a job. Horrible area in Albuquerque. Apartment building that he drove me by that's condemned now with homeless camping on the property. He entered the first apartment everything was fine. The second apartment they were in a walk in closet, mind you there was some stuff in the apartment. They were discussing the job and a 15 ft snake crawls across the floor. Tim, my friend turned the job down and exited the building. This guy has great stories.
There is house like that is my neighborhood, but it was squatters, and the health department got them kicked out after a year and now the hearing for the clean out has been moved up to October 2. Meanwhile, the neighbors have to smell the stinky aroma of baking trash.
Please tell me she did NOT use that ladder, at the back of the house to enter and leave. Also, you can clearly see the mess inside, through the window.
I lived next to one in new York. I can understand how they feel. I am so glad n blessed that God guide me n i moved to Florida For different reasons. But my prayers go out to these people 🙏 it's not easy. Hope the problem get solved 🙏
This is a mental health issue. A lot of times people who do stuff like this need to deal with with whatever mental issue is going on or cleaning up won't help - they will start accumulating things all over again. For some people the accumulating and gathering things is what they are doing to cope with their stress or trauma. It's not a healthy coping strategy and until they learn to replace it with something healthier they will repeat the behaviour. often times they do feel horrible about the condition they live in and the trouble they are causing for others but because of the dysfunction in their brain they don't know what else to do. I know healthcare costs so much in the USA. In Canada there is free therapy and intervention services available for people in hoarding situations.
We have eminent domain laws. We need to pass new ones that specifically address this type of heath issue and investment issue to the entire community. No way do I buy a home near a property like this. I just feel the rights of one who harms the many, must be dealt with in a legal manner that strips them of the right to own property at all. One out of control fire and first responders lives as well as others would be dangerously increased to have a tragic ending by letting someone get away with this. This has to move beyond the ability to hide until death to retake a property like this. Pass new laws!
I believe that your yard is to do whatever you want to do with, but sometimes this is a little extreme. That is too much junk and it's not even useful or have no value.
it’s not your business. butt out and mind your own. is it your house that’s impacted with trash? no. no it’s not. stop being a karen, and stop calling the police over mundane civil issues. it wastes my tax dollars. let this gross person live in peace
Total shame on the City of Centerline administration for allowing this to go on for more than one year let alone ten! This homeowner/resident is obviously not well mentally and posing a health/safety danger (not 'issues', actual danger!) to herself AND the neighbors and all city admins can do is write her up over and over and over again? No outreach to potential family members, nor mental health professionals, nor the county nor the state to assist in the well-being of all involved? Pathetic.
My grandmother would trash pick in places in like grosse pointe and Farmington hills. She would grab furniture and clothes and whatever else that was on the corner that she thought she could sell at the garage sale that she'd put on every year to get rid of all the stuff that she brought in. Grandma was always busy.
Thankfully you let the resident carry this on for 10 years now. It's been documented that you have enabled this behavior to the detriment of the community.
My godfather is a hoarder. He’s 88. I remember how the city use to handle him. They didn’t wait until there was a ton of garbage outside. They’d wait until he had multiples of things like 10 doors, 3 toilets, 2 boats, and 3 non working cars then they’d come out and demand that he reduced his pile to no toilets, 3 doors, 1 boat and 2 non working cars. They were always on him. Now the inside of the house was atrocious. Then one day a city worker encouraged him to enter a home beautification program and he did. He started gardening and his yard became overpopulated with plants and flowers but at least it was beautiful. He won three gardening awards. He’s in a nursing home now with dementia so his hoarding is controlled by the nursing home.
I lived beside a hoader. I had to plant trees. Sold the house. HOA did zero. They had a garage packed to the max. Cars lined up. Two piled with junk. House inside is a maze. It was awful. Still is a mess. But I am free of the mess.