@Dan V. at 1:37 the video explains the wear cycles per mil equation, so mil thickness does not have to be exactly the same for each panel. You take the number of cycles to wear through the coating and divide that by the mil thickness to get Wear Cycles per Mil (The wear cycles per mil number is how many cycles it would take to get through 1 mil of coating, regardless of how thick the original coating thickness is on individual panels).
We appreciate your response and the compliment on Cerakote Ceramic Coatings. Cerakote utilizes ASTM International testing because they are the globally recognized leader in the development of standards used around the world to improve product quality, safety and consumer confidence. ASTM testing is a non-subjective way to measure a products performance and reliability.
Thanks for the quick reply Nic. Based on what you state here the costs for coating any gun should be similar since it would have to be stripped and plated again no matter what coating is used. After that it's back to plating durability which I believe your testing has shown to be significantly better than the competition.
For example, did we apply the same amount of pressure on each panel and what would determine which coating was better. With ASTM the standards are set and non-subjective. Cerakote stands behind all of our ASTM test results. Please feel free to contact us if you have any questions.
Every aspect of this test from the Taber machine to the abrasive wheels to the panels and cleaning wheels are specifically called out in the ASTM D4060 test. This is done to ensure that the results are accurate and repeatable. While using a screwdriver to test the hardness of a coating may be an acceptable way for you to test a product, we could not use that method without the test being subjective.
Thank you for your comment. Utilizing ASTM Testing Standards we are confident of the results and stand behind all our testing. Adhering to universal ASTM standards ensures proper testing to ensure consistent results that can be performed repeatedly, regardless of laboratory location or name.
Interesting. Although I was wondering, why an abrasive test method was used, while coatings for protection against gunshot residue fouling rathers seems like corrosive/adhesive wear. At least in terms of internal parts.
We recently did a pistol for Guns magazines which we chose to use Cerakote as the finish and it looks excellent. But, if I were to rely on the info in THIS video I would have the exact opposite expectation. My customers need to know what to expect, I would think you would want yours to also.
I haven't seen anywhere on the Cerakote site where they claim the data from their testing proves that Cerakote is the absolute best coating you can put on a firearm. Like anything, it's not a "magic bullet", one-size-is-perfect-for-every-application coating. However, I've found that is an excellent balance between beauty and durability. Also, I haven't had any problems scraping Cerakote off in dovetails. That said, I'm sure not all dovetail joints have the same interference tolerances.
Thank you for taking an interest in the test results of Cerakote. We have had the Taber Abrasion test performed three separate times by three different parties, and the results were consistent throughout all tests. Cerakote, which is a ceramic based coating, has proven to have strong corrosion, abrasion, and chemical resistance, along with being extremely durable in mandrel bend and impact tests. We invite you to check out all the test results at wwwCerakoteGunCoatingscom/testing.
Cerakote lasted twice as long as the nearest competitive finish at 6697 wear cycles per mil compared to Black Oxide at 3333 wear cycles per mil and 24 times as long as the furthest competitive finish, that being Ion Bond at 250 wear cycles per mil.
I would like to see a cost comparison between the coatings and Cerakote. For a typical gun user Cerakote may be too expensive and the other finishes may work just as well. I also didn't see anything for zinc nickel plating which I know is very durable for abrasion/corrosion testing.
The material cost for Cerakote H-Series is approximately $.58 per square foot. Most of the cost involved is the labor in stripping, racking, applying and curing the firearm. Please keep in mind that we do not set the application costs that our Certified Applicators charge. Look for the upcoming corrosion video on this channel which contains a wider range of competitive finishes.
I have a green 870 shotgun that 4-5 years ago remington cerakoted from factory ,has zero wear on it . However i just found out it was ceracoat ,cerakote was not as well known then either.
I want to be clear that I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm simply researching coatings/finishes for steel and aluminum implements of a particular application. I would REALLY love some results from verifiable, experienced, reputable independent labs. I am particularly interested in Cerakote vs Moly Resin, as my impression from the research I have conducted so far is that these are the two top coatings. I'd also like to see Cerakote vs Moly Resin vs dichromate-sealed type III anodized aluminum.
I don't understand why Cerakote is coming under fire for using ASTM testing procedures. Every reputable company that engages in industry testing uses some form of ASTM testing methods. You are right in that they may not always represent an end use application, but that is not what the method is designed to do. It's designed to provide an objective baseline for comparison. It's up to the user to decide if the results are relevant to their application.
We are always willing to test Cerakote to other products. Currently we have not tested it in comparison with CZ75 polycoat. If you are able to provide the manufacturer and item number, we would include it in future testing. Cerakote can be applied to aluminum, metals, plastics, polymers and even wood. More information can be found at Cerakote.com. Thank you!
We have found the Cerakote coatings superior to other spray on coatings for coating firearm parts, and the staff has been top notch. We use the product daily, but when someone directed me to this video, and I saw the "results" it was very disturbing. Anyone with NIC is welcome contact me and visit our shop. I will post a video on our channel if you can make your H series coatings outperform the other one we use one a steel pistol slide using a simple mild steel screwdriver.
This is cool and all but my brand new sig scorpion (cerekote version) rubbed once on another gun in the safe just a brief rub and the spot where the two touched no longer has cerekote.
@yazkaz we’ve taken notice of the flashaholics and watchaholics and will be putting up more gallery pictures in the near future at CerakoteGunCoatings com
@nictraining Thanks for the reply but I have done the research myself, lets call it "real world" field testing. There just isn't that much of real world difference between any of the high end paint on finishes. As for the lab test I'm sure they are a great marketing tools for you guys (especially for the uninformed), but for me these test do nothing for me. Again I have used CeraKote, GunKote, and Moly Resin. They all perform about equal IMO.
@@CerakoteThanks. I'm actually interested in the transfer colors...they both look plenty hard to me and Im leaning towards the oven cured black, thinking it'd be more durable in wear than the air cured...could there be any difference between the two? A High tempureture service is what Im interested in.
This is H-Series. C-Series is still very strong, but H is the stronger of the two. You can always cure H-Series at a lower temp to do scopes/optics (150-180*F for 2 hours). Thank you!
+Dohn Joe Preparation of the substrate is key - the substrate must be blasted with 100-120 grit aluminum oxide or garnet sand (not glass beads) for proper coating adhesion, along with all oils being gassed out. Not doing this could result in coating failure.
+Cerakote it was done by a well known professional coating place. can't think of the name off the top of my head, but I will be contacting them for sure.
Because it is VERY misleading, and they are aware of that and don't care. As noted above, you can EASILY scape off Cerakote from a dovetail, yet that is not possible with the Ionbond coating, yet if you buy the video, you would believe the opposite, so why should I believe ANYTHING else in the video or they produce for marketing if they put this out there? I use Cerakote every day in our shop and am fully aware of what it can and can't do.
Alright, no joke, I have a Springfield RO 1911 that I got cerakoted blue slide and black frame. I was shooting a USPSA competition one day, and on one stage, I got my left hand in some mud and transferred it to the slide when I cleared the weapon for the range official. I didn't think anything of it and stuck it in my holster. Pulled it out later, and the finish where the mud had gotten was scraped and scratched like crazy. Sorta disappointed.
I call BS on this. I know for a fact that CeraKote is not that much better than GunKote. I have tried both. Yes they both are good products, but they most certainly are not the end all be all finish these companies lead people to believe. In the end it's still just a paint on finish and they all wear. They have nowhere near the abrasion resistance of something like Hard chrome.
If you have specific testing questions, please give us a call at 1-866-774-7628. We've run a number of additional tests besides the ones we have videos for. Thank you!
I understand the test, but using a non appropriate testing material for a particular product gives a very false impression of actual performance. You can easily do a scratch test in a repeatable way using a simple spring. If the real performance does not stand up to the test your ethical standards come into question. I would use your product exclusively if it out performed the pvd coating for abrasion resistance. It does not on hardened parts, not even close, but it does shine in other areas.
As someone who uses the coatings, this is NOT a definitive test in any way on how it will wear. I handled the test pieces and the are very soft metal plates, so the thinnest coatings of course would wear quickly. Not using hardened steel in this test makes it pretty much a bogus test for firearms. I'm personally VERY disappointed that Cerakote would do such deceptive advertising. You can easily scrape off Cerakote in a dovetail, and this can not be done with the coating the showed to fail first.
NIC has several marketing videos, and it appears that in some of them they have done all the testing themselves, and in others unnamed third-parties were involved. This destroys all credibility and renders these videos simple marketing fluff. NIC flaunt ASTM as an independent standard setting body to impress those not paying attention into thinking a third-party was involved. Third-party tests from independent labs with good reps are the only worthwhile measure. Cursed RU-vid post length limit!
