There are two grades of stainless commonly used in exhaust piping, T304 & T409. Neither will rust through completely but, the T409 will get a light orange coat of surface rust after a time. The header wrap does in fact cause a mild steel header to rust prematurely due to the heat and moisture, but will not have that affect on the stainless.
Hi grimmjow714, Ceramic coating requires the correct equipment to apply and large ovens to cure. There are businesses (Jet-Hot) that offer this service. It is highly suggested you trial fit the headers making sure of proper fitment. It is not uncommon to have to make a small dent or ding in a header tube to make sure they do not rub on anything. Once fitment is verified, you would have to send the headers to a coating company of your choice to allow them to coat your headers. Thanks!
Steve Brule and the rest of the crew at Westech showed that ceramic headers reduce heat around the headers by around 600°. That's 600 degrees that won't hear soak the engine bay/induction system.
I can tell you from experience that VHT flameproof coating works very well and lasts. The mistake I made was pressure washing my engine a couple years later. I got too close to the headers and it striped off the paint in that area.
I wish you would do a real world test of under the hood temps as a fallow up. And show painted vs ceramic vs stainless vs ceramic stainless. and any pro and cons of each type of header.
Coating System VHT provides a multi-high performance coating system for the ultimate in protection and quality. The system includes surface preparation, primer, paint and clear coat. PrepSP445Prep Spray, PrimeSP118FlameProof™ Primer, CoatSPXXXFlameProof™ Color, FinishSP115FlameProof™ Clear
Heat retention keeps the pressure stable with in the primary tubes. The higher the heat the higher the pressure. High pressure equals higher velocity of the exhaust pulses. Thus expulsion of exhaust more efficient than standard cast manifolds. Depending on the engine displacement and configuration most headers provides more power in the midrange.
Ceramic coating is just that, a coating! So yes, it can & will chip if accidentally dropped or hit by road debris. Stainless looks really nice (depending on the grade) but does not share the same insulating characteristics as a coated header. Therefore it will not lower underhood temp. or scavenge quite as well as a coated header.
Chrome plating headers has been done for a lot of years and while it looks nice, it requires a lot of cleaning & polishing maintenance to keep them looking good. Chrome plating also has no effect on exhaust gas scavenging like coated headers. This being said, many header companies have stopped offering chrome plating as an option. Another draw back to chrome plating is that it is very expensive to have done!
Most chrome platers will not do headers. The chrome has to be polished with special polishes and it is too hard to get into the collector part of the header.
Applications: Headers, Exhaust Manifolds, Piston Domes, Inside Heads Finish: Flat Dry Time: Curing time required and can be done on or off vehicle (see below) Curing FlameProof™ VHT FlameProof™ Coating only attains its unique properties after correct curing (refer to instructions on the can).
Summit Racing thanks for the video. In regards to ceramic coated Pistons, would you shave down the piston before applying the ceramic coating in order to obtain the same volume?
There are two methods to cure VHT header paint. On the Vehicle • Paint must be completely dry before curing • Run at idle for 10 minutes • Cool for 20 minutes • Run at idle for 20 minutes • Cool for 20 minutes • Run under normal operating conditions for 30 minutes
Off the Vehicle • Paint must be completely dry before curing • Heat to 250°F (121°C) for 30 minutes • Cool for 30 minutes • Heat to 400°F (204°C) for 30 minutes • Cool for 30 minutes • Heat to 650°F (343°C ) for 30 minutes • Caution: Do not exceed the temperature of the least heat tolerant component or the base metal
That’s exactly why I wrap mine,trying to keep heat inside.if money’s no obstacle then of course I’m going with coated but I happen to be part of 2/3’s of the population that money is an obstacle for.will cerecote work on headers?
On the Vehicle • Paint must be completely dry before curing • Run at idle for 10 minutes • Cool for 20 minutes • Run at idle for 20 minutes • Cool for 20 minutes • Run under normal operating conditions for 30 minutes
Do the titanium coated headers that you offer have the same benefits as ceramic headers? I don't care for, nor want, the shiny look of the ceramic coated but I do care about all it's benefits. Particularly keeping heat down, increased velocity, and of course durability.
Not all headers are coated internally. That is a question you should ask while shopping for them! There are no real downsides to coating; other than if you chip it they will rust quicker in that area. The upside is more power due to higher temperature exhaust traveling faster downstream, therefore scavenging better. Better scavenging leads to a cleaner cylinder for the next incoming charge that will now burn more efficiently thus producing more power.
Hi! I am about to use VHT flameproof matt black on my headers. I also ordered the primer! Is it neccesary to have the finish spray to get good result or is it just to make them shiny? How many layers of primer, and how many layers of paint should I do? Best regards from Sweden!
There's very little reason to buy painted headers. They can get up to 600 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than ceramic coated headers. Don't be cheap, and save all your wires and starters just by spending a little extra to buy ceramic coated headers.
I feel the opposite because with every set of ceramic headers i've had, they rust within a few months. I buy the painted ones, sand blast them, 2000 degree primer, 2000 degree paint and its way better and way cheaper.
@@ethanslape8889 I know this was years ago but do you still recommend painted headers with high temp paint. I wanna buy headers but can’t seem to decided between ceramic or painted.
I have a 74 Maverick grabber and no one makes direct bolt on headers. You have to "dimple" the one side so the pitman arm will clear it. For me that means either a painted header or a stainless header I guess.
I dont paint them I burn the paint off and when I change the oil I wipe the HOT header down with the used oil - It put a oil baked coating and they wont rust ... Like a black seasoned cast iron skillet... Done
I have full Delkevic stainless steel exhaust on my motorcycle. The stainless is supposed to turn a gold colour after a while. I am going to have them chrome colour ceramic coated to stop this happening once and for all.
@@porkchopspapi5757 I decided after having my stainless steel exhaust that I really like it. It did not turn very gold at all. I decided to leave it the way it is and not have it ceramic coated. It is a full Delkevic stainless system and I have it on my XVS650 V Star Classic Cruiser. I really like the system as it is full length and is about 70% lighter than the original system. I love stainless steel to clean as well. I just wipe it over with a damp cloth and all the mess is gone. There are no rust spots or anything and it always looks good.
Thank you, but did not really answer my question.. How many layers of primer and coating is recommended? And also, are the owen supposed to be, for example the first cycle, be 250°F when I put in my headers in the owen. Or is it supposed to be cool, and reach that degree? Thank you
just got a set of headers from you guys and painted them(inside and out) with VHT paint, haven't installed them yet but am now wondering if I screwed up?
I have a 09 GMC sierra 5.3L with a corsa sport. What's a good brand for ceramic headers for my truck? And should I get the y pipe its a single side exhaust
Although you don't mention any trade names in your piece, it looks like your ceramic-coated examples might be by Nitroplate. I just called Nitroplate and was told that as of May they no long have a retail operation, which means we hobbyists are out of luck as far as their product. In view of this development, I think you should offer alternatives here.
Norm Lewis, We do not carry Nitroplate. However, we do have a large selection of ceramic coated headers. You can see that selection here: www.summitracing.com/search/department/exhaust/part-type/headers You can select the header finish along the left side of the page. Let us know if you have any additional questions. Thanks for watching!
I ordered a painted header thinking I had a choice between painted or ceramic as said in discripition however I was stupid an didn't pay attention to the fact that it never gave the option, when my painted headers come in how can I coat it in ceramic?
Could you get 1 or 2 extra hp if you paint stock exhaust manifolds? I don't think I've seen anyone do this, but it seems like if you already have them off, it'd be worth it.
christians131, Not sure that painting would do much good but ceramic coating may! Ceramic coating is a heat barrier that keeps as much heat inside the manifold as possible. This increases the exhaust velocity thus increasing the scavenging effect! A cleaner cylinder means a bigger bang the next time around! :)
Summit Racing what about ceramic coating paint? rustoleum and duplo both make a ceramic paint for ceramic coating would this get the best of both worlds?
Hello, I know this is a video between painted headers and ceramic headers, but which would be better between ceramic headers and wrapped headers. If this is presented in another video, my apologies. thank you.
Hi TheyCallMeCoolRon, Keeping all the heat inside the header tubes helps maintain exhaust gas velocity improving the scavenging effect on all cylinders and wrapping headers was the first way we used to do that. Header wrap is labor intensive, absorbs moisture (winter storage), Voids the header manufacturers warranty and is not very pleasing to the eye. Header coating on the other hand has the same advantage that wrapping does, keeping the exhaust gas velocity high, but without the other compromising factors listed!
+William Oei , No, these are not the same. The header coating is similar in consistency to powder coating (extra thick paint) and the paint coating is similar to applying a coat of wax.
Hello, I just bought new motorcycle exhaust that are AISI304 stainless steel polish to brushed matt finish. I want to paint them black. I am thinking of using VHT Flame Proof 1300-2000 degrees Fahrenheit ceramic coating and for a primer use Rustoleum high heat primer up to 2000 degrees Fahrenheit. I was wondering if before applying the primer if I should sand the exhaust with 360 or higher grit sanding paper. I think since the pipe are already smooth i will not need to go for lower grit sand paper. Or should I just apply the primer and not sand. Or maybe I should I just skip the primer and paint them with the VHT. Please let me know what would be the best way to paint them so it will last and look proper. Thanks
Hi Justin Maillet, We would recommend scuffing first. Being bare, it really might need some type of etching first in order to get the primer or paint to adhere. We would suggest using our SUM-942010 prior to priming. www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-942010
Hi Brad James, Knowing the difference between the t304 and t409 stainless steel will help you when you buy stainless steel products. The t304 system will not oxidize or rust. However, it can develop a golden color when exposed to high heat over time. The t409 stainless steel has a lot of ferrous material in it and can show surface oxidation after a while, especially when exposed to calcium chloride or salt. However, this can be prevented by applying stainless steel cleanser using a scouring pad. If you are concerned about long-term appearance, then you should get the t304. If you are more concerned about the price but want something that is fairly durable, then the t409 will work just as well. So the next time you buy a stainless steel product, make sure you ask about t304 and t409 stainless steel options.
Ceramic coating will outlast the car and its owner as well, meaning that he/she will sell or get rid of the car before the coating comes off, unless damaged in a car accident . :)
There are actually quite a few header options available for your truck. Please give us a call and we will be happy to help pick out just the right one for you. 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
I put mine back in the box and placed it in a firepit. When I took them out just clean them up, I used VHT flame proof primer then paint. Came out well
To ceramic coat, parts must be absolutely clean. Follow coating manuf. suggestions. Most suggest aluminum oxide blasting to bare metal. The coating service should provide further cleaning solutions to remove skin oils, etc. and to ensure a long lasting finish. Contact them for their recommendations. Rattle can paints have fewer requirements.
I've never been a very big fan of headers personally. I've always found that they leak, they burn up gaskets, wires, cause too much of a headache for a small gain in horsepower. and they never usually get used in the right application. (why would you ever put headers on a truck?) but these ceramic coated are interesting me greatly. I might have to go with a set of these on an LS or 383 stroker build I am planning on a corvette. if the benefits can outweigh the losses I have seen in the past
Hi ledzeppelin27, Thank you for you're input. Please let us know if you have any questions. Do not hesitate to contact our tech department by calling 1-330-630-0240. Thanks for watching!
mrsuperbuckets It's a difference between headers and an exhaust manifold. Most will come with a manifold from the factory which is a single cast part while headers have the individual tubes for each cylinder.
So in other words, don’t waste your money or create delays to your project by purchasing painted or chrome headers. Instead, order from the get go, ceramic coated headers, and spend less in the long run, get better performance, and have them last much longer.
I’m gonna go ahead and take a shot of whiskey every time he says Go Ahead. Then I’m gonna Go ahead and pass out before the end of the video. You can Go Ahead and try it....your results may go ahead and vary.
You are incorrect about ceramic headers, being durable and lasting a long long time. I have a set of ceramic hooker headers that are all pitted and rusted out. I rarely drive this vehicle so it is not due to overuse or wear and tear. I’m starting to feel like hooker headers Disappointed me. Will be looking for a different brand for a replacement
Why are my ceramic coated headers running hotter then my raw un painted headers? Burnt 3 sets of plug wires on coated and never had that issue with the uncoated.
HI Justin, Too many variables to tell why they are burning spark plug wires. I would suggest putting an infrared thermometer on there to see how hot they are actually getting. Thanks for watching!
Wait am I missing something, you said the performance of painted headers is similar to ceramic coated, but the painted won’t last as long, and your solution to getting lasting performance from the painted is to sandblast and strip that shitty paint right off of there and slap on a ceramic coat 😂. You made it seem like you were going to give some tip on making the paint last longer, then nope, strip that crap off immediately 😂
If you are going to sandblast and paint the header, you will waste money. Just buy the coated from the start. Save time and money....and have a better look.
I dont understand your US english. I`m going to go ahead, I`m going to go ahead, I`m going to go ahead,I`m going to go ahead! WTF? And you think we say eh too much? lol Your friend from Canada eh! lol
Off the Vehicle • Paint must be completely dry before curing • Heat to 250°F (121°C) for 30 minutes • Cool for 30 minutes • Heat to 400°F (204°C) for 30 minutes • Cool for 30 minutes • Heat to 650°F (343°C ) for 30 minutes Caution: Do not exceed the temperature of the least heat tolerant component or the base metal
