Filling the oil filter is something my grandfather taught me - a life-long mechanic / jack-of-all-trades. I followed in his footsteps. Worked on my own things my whole life, and went to motorcycle repair school (MMI) in Phoenix 21 years ago. Been doing nothing but turning wrenches on everything from weedwhackers to trucks for the past 11 years. None of my cars, trucks, motorcycles, dirt bikes / ATVs, or paramotor ever see a shop other than my own, except for body work, windshields, or front end alignments. I've seen the proof that priming the filter is a GOOD thing. I used to have a hot-rod Cutlass when I was in my 20's, and you could hear the lower end rap until oil pressure built up, if I installed the filter dry. I did it one time just for my own curiosity, since I had been doing what dad and grandpa taught me for years without questioning why. Oil pressure gauge stayed at zero for several seconds after startup, too. Adding oil to the filter cut that time by 2/3rds. Also, we own a '86 Mercury Grand Marquis (17 years this year) with 268k miles on it. Every spring when I fire it up after sitting all winter, she'll run dry for several seconds. Sounds awful! Had I been less lazy, I'd have pulled the distributor every season and primed the oil pump before attempting that first start. Would probably get 750k miles out of that engine! If you've ever seen what happens to crank and con-rod bearings when they're starved of oil, you will fill the oil filter on EVERYTHING you own, as I have for the past 35+ years. I fill it right to the top, even if it's a horizontally mounted filter. Spilled oil is cheaper than a rebuild, no matter what it's powering. 😉 Nice work, Jim! If you think your clothes are bad, you should see my GOOD clothes! 😂
quinnjim - You’re welcome, Jim. You’d be amazed at how much a few seconds without oil pressure has a cumulative effect over time. Best to limit that whenever you can. 👍🍻
Excellent video! Not an airplane owner myself yet. Possibly in a few more years when my oldest son goes off to college. I worked on A4 Skyhawks, and F14 ejection seats in the Navy. Great video! Keep up the good flying!
Interesting video. Hey I really like that idea of cutting the top off of the oil bottle to stick under the oil filter. I am going to have to do that when I change the oil on my John Deere Tractor LOL
I did find out that some Tempest oil filters don't require you to add a film of oil to the rubber gasket. Might want to check the instructions on that!
Great information. Thanks. I'm researching to compare costs between purchasing my own Cessna 150 or renting one for flying lessons. Hangers are hard to come by and can be expensive.
Very interesting Jim, I picked up a few pointers along the way and got a good look under the hood too. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure isn't it? Thanks for taking the time!!!
Just a couple of comments. Camguard is the real deal and nothing like Marvel Mystery Oil. It was extensively tested by the FAA and does a great job. Also, the new Spin EZ filters do not require you to put oil around the seal prior to installing the filter. I was skeptical at first but it does work as advertised. I haven't had any leaks through multiple oil changes and the filter is easy to remove. Probably doesn't hurt to use oil on the seal if you want. You should be good to go either way. Good idea on using the cut open oil container, wish I could use one but my access is harder so am using a "form a funnel". Quick disconnect is on my oil pan as well. It is the only way to go.....and never leaks.
I found out after the video that you don't put oil on the seal. It says so right on the box. I had never heard of anything like that before! I've been changing oil for almost 40 years. I think Camguard definitely helps. I've also heard that Avblend does a good job.
👍👍👍👍totally and absolutely enjoyed this video..all the details 👍👍👍been changing my own oil in autos all my life..never saw an airplane oil change procedure..might do a couple of things differently..probably use motorkote in the engine (excellent friction fighter that has proven itself through the time test of over a billion miles in the trucking industry and autos)..and I would probably have a 1000 point safety check list to go through with an airplane..often..cars don't fly..if something goes wrong you can pull off the side of the road..not in an airplane..ok now you've seen how uptight and weird I can be 😂😂🤣🤣👍👍maybe I would level out some and calm down a little if I ever started flying..anyway completely enjoyed this video..keep doing these please 👍👍👍👍
Thanks very much! We change the oil every 25 hours or so. The oil additive I used is supposed to be excellent. There are only 3 things you deal with when doing the oil change on this type of airplane (drain plug, filter and filler opening), so a 1,000 point safety check would be difficult! :) You make a good point that an oil problem in an airplane can be much more serious than in a car. You can't just pull over and take a look.
I didn't mean to sound like I was telling you to use motorkote..what you use sounds excellent and if it does the job..absoulutly keep using what you use..and the 1000 point safety check list..I'm just one of those people..I always check and recheck myself..did I forget or miss something..too uptight..maybe I need to take it down a few notches 🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂 but up in an airplane 😬😲😵😂😂😂 not good to have that type of personality and be a pilot..right? 😲😬😊😊..but I do very much enjoy the information and education I see in your videos..again thank you much 👍👍👍
@@quinnjim Great video. The Aeroshell 15W50 already has an additive for Anti-wear and Corrosion preventative. Although not Camguard, I am told that it is pretty similar. I have always run Camguard with my Aeroshell 15W50, however at my next oil change I am considering not using it as the Aeroshell already has an additive in their formula. PS: Motorkote is not approved for aviation engines.
Ah ok Christopher..you told me more info I didn't know..there are so many places motorkote can be used..all gas engines..4 cycle and 2 cycle..firearms..almost anything you can think of..I did not know it was not able to be used in aviation purposes..one more piece of information I learned 2da..thanks 👍👍👍
I run the can guard in mine. The previous owner of my plane used it too. I hit a deer and my engine had to be torn down and had to have a inspection. The cam was as good as new. Can gard works.
Clean-looking M model you have there! Mine is a few serials older than yours, getting the spin-on oil mod in a month or so. I actually just crossed TBO (which on the O-200 is actually 1800 hours, not 2000 like the Lycoming O-235 in the 152). She's making good compressions on all 4 cylinders, though I did have to have #3 rebuilt at annual this year for a worn exhaust valve. Still breaking it in, which is why the oil change is coming up in about a month. . Most importantly, the engine isn't making metal. A&P/IA looked at what he could see of the cam with a borescope while the cylinder was off, said it looked great. He and I have discussed in depth. He doesn't see any red flags currently, so I'm budgeting for an overhaul in about 4-5 years unless the engine tells me otherwise. Hope you've been flying the wings off her.
I did a few oil analysis tests and the results came back great. I’ve got about 600 hours on this motor. I flew a Cessna 172 once that had 3,600 hours on the O-320. TBO is just a suggestion. I have had several friends in the last few years who overhauled their engines and had nothing but problems. I’d take an engine that has been running well for twenty years over a new overhaul nowadays. Continental quality has really fallen since the Chinese bought it.
Well there is some good news and some bad news. The results of the oil sample came back. Turns out your 150 is due in four months! Congrats! Are you hoping for a high wing or a low wing.
An awful lot of screws to remove and index their order, when by now, you'd think they could have made a convenient hatch for easy access to oil filter! Cool oil catcher and it probably would cost $100.00 if it was a custom part, from Cessna!! In all, it seems expensive for something needed every 25 hours! But, understand, more safe than sorry!! A job well done!!
It would be nice to have better access to the oil filter. I can take the top cowling off in about 5 minutes, and it's a good opportunity to take a peek at the engine to make sure everything looks OK. Most of our flights are right around 1 hour, so we only need to change the oil a couple times per year (flying 50-60 hours per year is a lot for most people).
quinnjim, we lived in NC 3 different place over 27 years, looked at 10-a-See, but ended up moving to the Backwoods of N Floow’da up near Georgia 17 years ago.
@@quinnjim Yes, I've heard stories of people taking 9-hour trips at 70mph ground speed. For trips, I'd opt for a slightly faster model that can deliver airplane speeds despite strong headwinds. In any case, that little plane still looks like great fun!
Now for my serious comment. The twisted wire safety on the filter is a great idea! The quick disconnect on the drain sure makes it easy to drain. I had a “discussion” with an A & P about this. If there is a safety on the filter, how about something for the auto drain. I think the engineers did a half good job. A safety would have made it perfect. Just as an aside I am not a mechanic I am a PE.
Not sure if you know of Nancy Bradshaw. She is paralleling you in Texas and Florida. Regional Pilot and CFI. Prior to becoming a pilot she got her MS in aviation engineering. She is “off tube” this month, but it would be interesting to hear her take on this.
Nope. I make sure the filter soaks it up first. I learned that some oil filters don’t require you to put a film of oil on the gasket. You want to check for the directions on the box the filter comes in.
@@quinnjim Will do! My quick drain oil plug is starting to leak and I'm going to get a new one. Do you have any opinion on which one to get? Again, many thanks for the tips!
AeroShell 15w50 has already blended in their oil formula the anti wear/scuffing that meets the Lycoming LW 16702. Phillips oil does not. Users of Phillips oil would want to use CamGuard. The CamGuard is not really needed when using AeroShell oils.
In aviation, everything is regulated very tightly. You might be able to do that on an experimental plane, but the certified airplanes might not allow it. I'm not really sure. I have your RU-vid name laser etched on one of my 1911's.
You missed out on big round engine oil changes! You use quarts Round engines use Gallons. Normally 6 gallons on a 450 and 600 hp! Wire skinny thingy, I love technical talk! Did you get your at the aviation department at Harbor Freight? Thanks for the video!
Love those round engines. My friend has a Cessna 195. I'm going to try and get a video of it for my channel. The guy in the hangar across from me has a T-6. He has owned it for over 50 years. In his 80's and still flies it every day.
@@quinnjim I was weened on AT-6's. My neighbour when I was a kid had a company that bought and sold 34 of them. He also gave me the opportunity to tear down my first aircraft engine. A Curtis OX-5 from a Waco 10, I was only 6! Thanks for the videos. I spent over 25 years working on crop dusters. I sure miss those long hard days!
Maddie is currently working 45 hours per week and taking a college Physics class. Busy girl! It's hard for her to find time to hang out at the airport right now. She may go up tonight and post a video on her channel.
Looks like you have a Continental O-200. Cam Guard is MUCH more important in Lycomings which have the cam above the crank. The Lycoming cams loose oil coverage during storage, condense water, and rust.
I use the Phillips 20w-50xc on my personal 150L I overhaul engines and I can tell what oil they have used since the last overhaul due to the wrist pics and how everything comes apart..
@@danielyasko9864 If you put 6 in, the excess will dump out of the breather tube and end up on the belly. These engines like 4 quarts. Anything more is just a waste. They will stay at 4 quarts for awhile (usually). Over servicing the oil can do damage to the engine. No good mechanic would ever recommend that.
Probably keep it. It's perfect for Maddie to build time and for Quinn to get his license in. We fly it around for $15.00 per hour in gas. The Cirrus was over $40.00 per hour. It adds up quickly when they need several hundred hours!
I have a problem. The oil filter has a safety wire to keep it from vibrating loose. Great safety idea. Now for the oil drain. A quick disconnect? Great for your garden hose but your aircraft? The professional engineer in me just said what??? Simply consider Murphys law. There was an A & P that did a similar video on a 150 and I was shocked when the quick disconnect was shown. I have tried to get an opinion from Nancy Bradshaw. She has your parallel job flying and instructing. She also has degrees in aeronautical engineering. She is not familiar with the 150 oil change so I have not been able to get her opinion. I do realize there is no history of problems with this method, however it only takes one to start. I am in no way directing my dissatisfaction with the engine designers to you! Just bringing up something I am very much against.
I think the "quick drain" systems are pretty fool proof. Just about every plane I have owned has one. If you are not pushing up and turning them "on", they really don't leak. I guess it is just one more thing to go wrong though...
It is not a "quick disconnect," it is a quick drain. They have been available, and very popular, since at least the 1960s. They replace the drain plug, and are safety wired in place at installation. They are, essentially, a spring loaded (to the closed position) valve, typically with a cam type operation. They are very reliable, and really speed up oil changes, as well as eliminating much of the mess potential. I've owned many airplanes with them, never had a problem. The only reason to NOT have one is in the instance of possible airframe interference, such as a very close bowling or retractable nose gear, which could possibly force the v as live up and open.
I'm not sure. The oil is about $8.00 per quart and the filter is about $30.00. I ended up putting 5 quarts in so it cost me about $70.00 to do it myself. I would guess that a shop would charge me an hour or so. I probably saved $80. I like doing it myself because I let the oil drain out for a LONG time where a mechanic being paid by the hour might just let it drain for 2 minutes (leaving a lot of the worst sludge behind). I've had so many issues with people changing my oil in cars over the years, that I want to do it myself so it's done RIGHT. It's not just about saving money for me.
Looks just the same as mine 🤔 9:27 an INVICTA..??? ⌚️👍 Every one I know since way back just puts some “Marval Mistry Oil” in with it 11:50 the A&Ps all swear by it ✅😎
Indeed an Invicta. I really like the watch. It started out losing 15 second per day. I would set it 1 minute fast and it would be constantly getting more accurate over the next 4 days! Lately it's losing 2 minutes per day, so I may have to adjust it.
quinnjim yes, I have had mine for over three years, actually that one an the silver & gold band with green face too, but it wouldn’t stay running over 24 hours after leaving it sit the way this type does, about 30+ hours actually. It would loose 5 min per week though, so I finally set it up faster in January, ever so slightly. With the jewelers hood spectacles and tools 🛠 I have from doing most all my watch work (like the airplanes) myself. But even with the slightest of almost Unnoticeable movement to the + side it now gains 5 min a week 😣😩👎 go figure.. always had much better luck on the airplanes ✈️ Hey, are those ECI cylinders.?? I found them to be the cheapest Good ones to use, replaced 3 of them over the years on my last plane, the 1972/73 C-150L 😎👍
Different screw size?? That's why you have the A&P at annual change your freaking nut plates so there all matching. Leave the length of the safety wire on the end of the filter and cut at the housing so you can hang your filter into a bucket off the handle. Take a flipping corner (ie 90') of a big card board box ie 24" long and tie a long string with a big washer hanging down so the stream drops onto your drain pan.. Why not just use a dab of DC4 around the seal and boom done. We maintain a fleet of 700 flight school aircraft all over the country..
I have a question that’s not oil change related. My question is: can you report a CFI to FAA or the Department of Professional regulation for not implementing a student to following all safety pre-checks for plane. Example: not requiring a student to check the fuel tanks or reading the safety list? I’m having problems and need to know what I should do. It’s recently come to my attention. Thank you in advance if you could answer.
I would just look for a new flight instructor if you don’t think he/she is doing a good job. I’m a big believer in checklists and checking the quality and quantity of fuel in a small plane before flying. It’s pretty unprofessional to teach students NOT to do it, but I would probably just have a talk with the owner of the operation. Maybe drive down to Lake in the Hills and check out Blue Skies. They are VERY professional.
quinnjim thank you. I feel like crying. I’m also angry he put my life in a possible jeopardy. I want to learn the right way. Ugh. Let alone the money I’m out. I will be speaking to someone on Monday. Wish u we’re teaching. Your daughter is a lucky girl.
@@35whiskeygirl Thanks very much. I wish I was set up to flight instruct! Right now I can only help out friends and family since charging people involves a lot official “hoops” I’d need to jump through. The time you have logged isn’t a total waste. I’m sure you got something out of it (I hope!)
@@quinnjim I really enjoy your flying videos. I learn a lot from you and your daughter. I hope you will do a video on how to pre-flight check an airplane. I have learned a few things. I am going to produce a video on how to screen your next CFI! LOL. No worries, I've contacted the manager. It will be resolved on Thursday. Not sure if I will continue at my airport, but I will let them know, what's been happening. It's very sad. I feel very upset about the situation and I hope they will care more about safety and how they trained new student pilots. I so appreciate you answering my questions! Thank you!
