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Cessna 414 "Chancellor" Crashes into Marsh, Seriously Injuring Seven 

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@WhatYouHaventSeen
@WhatYouHaventSeen Год назад
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@MrSuzuki1187
@MrSuzuki1187 Год назад
I fly a Pilatus PC-12NG professionally and have some 30,000 hours in my log book. One day I had just flown my boss from Mount Pocono, PA to Key West and dropped him off. I then taxied out for takeoff on my way solo to my home in Punta Gorda, Florida. I had just flown almost 5 hours and the controls had been free, but the checklist called for me to check them again before takeoff. Why would I do that when they worked fine on my last flight just minute ago? But I am a PROFESSIONAL PILOT, and the checklist told me to check the controls before takeoff. When I did, I found that my boss, who is also a pilot, had hung his headset on the right control wheel in such a way that when I checked the ailerons, I found that his head set was caught between the right control wheel and the sidewall of the cockpit jamming the ailerons.
@darrylday30
@darrylday30 Год назад
Well done.
@dermick
@dermick Год назад
This is exactly why I check the controls several times, and the final time right before I push the throttle forward. I call it my "Snort" check, to pay my respects to a great aviator that unfortunately perished due to not making that check. Anything can happen between the time you last flew and the takeoff - maintenance, control locks, a tool gets stuck in the wrong place, headset placement, ipad or gopro or other portable electronics falling into the wrong place, stone getting kicked up and jamming between the elevator and the horizontal stabilizer, bolt falls out, bird "strike", etc.
@MB120478
@MB120478 Год назад
This is why you are a professional pilot
@loginavoidence12
@loginavoidence12 Год назад
i have a whole like 50 hours flight time, my instructor always told me not to hang my shit on the control yoke. well, that's a good reason not to
@ollietoots50
@ollietoots50 Год назад
30,000hrs. That’s a lot of flying. Assuming at least 800hrs a year for 37 years straight to equal that amount.
@cubie3835
@cubie3835 Год назад
Probable Cause: The pilot's failure to check the freedom of movement of the controls prior to departure. Simple as that. Such an easily avoidable mistake.
@penguin44ca
@penguin44ca Год назад
Indeed and that is actually part of the checklist twice. Once during walk around you should be moving by hand. Second is during run up you are supposed to move through the controls and declare free and clear. This is an indication of in a hurry.
@jpdunamislodge
@jpdunamislodge Год назад
I’ve got over 1200 hours in 400 series Cessnas flying right at Max Gross weight 135 freight. It was completely obvious at mid field that this airplane was not going to fly. Last thing that I do every single flight in any airplane as I am taking the runway is to pull back on the elevator and check for its free movement along with the ailerons. Sounds like to me that this did not happen, the lock was left in, and the Pilot realized it but not in time to abort the take off. The “shutter” in the controls sounds to me like an indication that the tail was “not flying” because of the lock being left in and the horizontal stabilizer buffering against the airstream not flowing over it correctly in order for it to “fly”. The pilot may have pulled the lock out ( after the son tried to rotate) at the very last second prior to impacting the mound (hence it being found under the pilots rudder pedals). When you mess up fess up. A lot of Pilots just won’t do that no matter what.
@marthakrumboltz2710
@marthakrumboltz2710 Год назад
I always check during run-up, to pull back and forth to see if a/c rocks back and forth.up and down.
@kenstewart5991
@kenstewart5991 Год назад
The only other POSSIBLE explanation is the trim set full down. But even then the a/c would have risen out of ground effect and failed to further climb. Baggage in 414 is behind engines thus behind cg which would have opposite effect if overloaded I'm sure. An A&P
@bernieschiff5919
@bernieschiff5919 Год назад
I have a few questions, is that a Cessna control lock or is that an aftermarket add-on or replacement for the original? Is there supposed to be a flag to block access to ignition or fuel pump switches? Why can it be installed upside down to make it nearly invisible to crew in the right seat? Is the rudder locked at the same time to prevent the airplane from taxiing? This sounds similar to the Snodgrass accident last year, where a loose (and invisible) control lock allowed the pilot to taxi the airplane to a takeoff position. I agree, the pilot may have pulled it out then lied about not checking it. He might be lying because there might be a big insurance payment at stake here.
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Год назад
One of the two J Allens aboard replied in a previous comment thread anove and still seems to insist all checklists and procedures were completed fully. Each Blue Angels pilot always tells the team something he did wrong or below expectations during each post flight team debrief. If they can't think of anything they did wrong, they are either lieing, or weren't paying close enough attention. It forces them to self monitor and correct deficiencies quickly before someone gets hurt, including themself. If the Blue Angels recognize they make mistakes every time they get in the cockpit, why is this so hard for GA pilots to do? Maybe a rock or other object was kicked up off the runway and jammed the elevator or other mechanical failure, but doubtful and teamwork between the two pilots seems lacking or absent regardless. Therefore neither can definitively back the other up. No clear V1 V2 calls or decision to continue or reject the takeoff. Both pilots at the end were attempting to control the airplane and may have even input contradictory commands as a result?
@bs838
@bs838 Год назад
@@slartybarfastb3648 It's all about the insurance payout...gotta get that money, lie till ya die!
@jimwalsh8520
@jimwalsh8520 Год назад
I just cannot believe anyone would not carry out a "full and Free" check. This was criminal!
@Rhaman68
@Rhaman68 Год назад
It happens more frequently than it should. Humans. That’s why checklists were created but these are still up to the human to run them. Cheers.
@22noobtube
@22noobtube Год назад
For anyone who is unfamiliar with a basic preflight; at least for me personally , the control lock is the first thing you’d take off , and all control surfaces would be manually actuated during walk around to insure they are free and correct as well as another control surface check during the run up and/or pre takeoff checklist from the cockpit using the yolk and rudder pedals, it’s obvious he didn’t disengage the control lock until seconds before impact , almost killing most of his extended family , and yet still won’t admit to his near fatal mistake.
@av8or971
@av8or971 Год назад
i take off the control lock in the hanger, BEFORE I ever pull the plane out, and i also do a full deflection of all controls prior to engine start. Not sure why they did not. I guess when you fly a twin, you just assume it's all good and no longer need to worry about the basics.
@TeemarkConvair
@TeemarkConvair Год назад
E X A C T L Y
@johnmajane3731
@johnmajane3731 Год назад
Yep and turn the fuel selector to a tank or both, check to make sure the magnetos are off.
@22noobtube
@22noobtube Год назад
@@josephallen5856I don’t care who’s PIC , at the very least I’m doing a walk around before my kids get in a GA plane , you must be the other guy!
@marthakrumboltz2710
@marthakrumboltz2710 Год назад
@@josephallen5856 you sound suspiciously like a relative or friend of one of the two operators here. Do you actually believe the control lock was miraculously “found” between the rudder pedals? If so, then you’re as stupid as the PIC
@737100200
@737100200 Год назад
That control lock is not the one the airplane came with. It should have a metal flag that covers the magneto switches and starter buttons on the left hand console when in controls locked.
@marthakrumboltz2710
@marthakrumboltz2710 Год назад
Excellent point!
@TheDornado
@TheDornado Год назад
So easily avoidable. Glad everyone survived such a senseless accident.
@jackoneil3933
@jackoneil3933 Год назад
Always good when you are still around to fill out an accident report
@mcpusc
@mcpusc Год назад
borderline if you have to get your kid to do the writing for you....
@jackoneil3933
@jackoneil3933 Год назад
@@mcpusc Perhaps, but at least he was able to talk about it. Tough old airframes on those old 414s
@danielhawley6817
@danielhawley6817 Год назад
Same accident few years back in the NE - Gulfstream Jet with gust lock on ran off end of runway, broke up hitting a ditch, caught fire - all aboard were killed. Pilots didn't check flight controls before takeoff.
@Matt-mo8sl
@Matt-mo8sl Год назад
Bedford.
@TheFULLMETALCHEF
@TheFULLMETALCHEF Год назад
Checking control surfaces preflight…priceless.
@bluecrayon007
@bluecrayon007 Год назад
Literally the first thing us pilots are supposed to do
@peerpaulin8486
@peerpaulin8486 Год назад
@@bluecrayon007 Even RC Model Plane Pilots do it.
@pilot27
@pilot27 Год назад
@@bluecrayon007 first item on the checklist. Remove pitot cover, wheel blocks, and control locks. Then check flight controls.
@randygravel2057
@randygravel2057 Год назад
Did he really taxi his plane to the crash site?
@Chellz801
@Chellz801 Год назад
Great quick thinking
@danielwarpaint1963
@danielwarpaint1963 Год назад
Well, he didn't want to walk that far.
@TeemarkConvair
@TeemarkConvair Год назад
i thought it was a brilliant idea
@dermick
@dermick Год назад
@@TeemarkConvair I got a real giggle out of that one!
@irritantno9
@irritantno9 Год назад
“Might not fly, but it’ll taxi fast as hell!”
@fleckyy2
@fleckyy2 Год назад
PIC should have his license revoked after such an easily avoidable mishap.. Glad to hear everyone survived.
@publicmail2
@publicmail2 Год назад
I have seen so many pilots say free and correct but never actually check if they are correct. In this case it looks like they forgot to remove lock. That move usually ends in a fatality, just happened to an experience pilot airshow legend Dale “Snort” Snodgrass in Idaho last year.
@bernieschiff5919
@bernieschiff5919 Год назад
In the report from the Snodgrass accident there was shown to be enough play (in the rudder) with the lock in place to give the impression of free and clear movement, or enough to allow the plane to taxi for takeoff. A poor design that wasn't obvious in its locked position. The accident here may have been from a missed checklist item, due to distraction from passengers or family conversation. This also appears to be a poor design of a control lock from Cessna, no less. Installed upside down, the co-pilot can't even tell if its installed, I couldn't see it from the photos. Is there a metal flag blocking access to ignition or fuel pump switches? Why can it be installed upside down, making it less visible? I suspect this lock might be an aftermarket add-on, it has no Cessna branding or logo on it. How this got past certification I'll never know. The report will read "pilot error" but poor engineering is also partly to blame. My two cents.
@onemoremisfit
@onemoremisfit Год назад
@@bernieschiff5919 I'm not a pilot but after this and the Snodgrass crash I'm wondering why there isn't regulation to #1 require the control locking devices to be more obviously and unmistakably visible when in use and #2 require them to completely block all movement of the controls without allowing any partial movement when in use.
@virgilhilts3924
@virgilhilts3924 Год назад
Quite correct Look at all the airline accidents where the crew was recorded reading through the checklist step by step, calling out items, but actually missed completing the checklist item. It's the result of human behavior in a repetitive environment and has plagued aviation for decades. Many people have tried to figure out ways to negate such errors, but humans are still human and make human mistakes. How many times have we all thought we did X or Y before leaving the house, only to later realize we didnt no matter how much we think we remember otherwise.
@irritantno9
@irritantno9 Год назад
All very fortunate to be alive. I cannot fathom how anyone can be so distracted during preflight, taxi, run-up etc not to notice this. I’m always moving the controls.
@bernieschiff5919
@bernieschiff5919 Год назад
It's easy, someone asks a question that seems important at the moment, or something happens that changes your routine. The tower controller grants you a taxi back on the active runway for a quick departure at night, and you take off without doing your takeoff checklist.
@irritantno9
@irritantno9 Год назад
For you, yes. Me no.
@stscc01
@stscc01 Год назад
@Bernie Schiff What can be more important at that moment than a complete and proper check of your aircraft? I'm only a glider pilot, but I never took off without checking ALL controls. That was one of the first things I learned in flight school.
@irritantno9
@irritantno9 Год назад
@@stscc01 damn right! You use those ailerons on ground when taxiing!
@BillDeFalcoGFE
@BillDeFalcoGFE Год назад
I'm a Private Pilot with an SEL rating on the C-172 and I'm 100% with you here - you've called this one correctly. The EVIDENCE is right there, on the floor by the pilot's feet - of the control wheel lock Not Having Been Removed prior to initiating the takeoff roll - HELLO!!!! - PREFLIGHT CHECKLIST!!!!!!! How in the WORLD could BOTH Pilots skip the Critical Pre-Flight Check: Flight Controls - Free and Proper Movement????????? Furthermore - the Bone-Head Out-to-Lunch son, who is a Private Pilot with a multi-engine rating should have been in Co-Pilot mode, not Passenger mode! He should have gone through the pre-flight checklist with the pilot and had he done that, he would have immediately realized that the Control Wheel Lock was still in position on the Pilot's side - THAT'S when he should have made that discovery - not when he did just prior to the crash! OMG! Talk About PILOT ERROR! - This one belongs in the Guinness World Record Book of The Biggest Pilot BLUNDERS of All Time - where it should be listed right up there along with Jack Gandy's Fatal Blunder in ascending to the Exact Same Altitude of a faster airliner closing in on his tail, resulting in the Horrific 1946 Midair Collision over the Grand Canyon, and Bob Loft's Landmark Fatal Blunder on Eastern Flight 401, where he completely failed to monitor the status of a brand new L-1011that he was the PIC of, that literally flew itself into the Everglades in Dec of 1972 while Loft was troubleshooting a faulty nose hear light - without him having assigned another crew member to monitor the status of the Tri-Star!
@pilot27
@pilot27 Год назад
Pilot error is the last thing you need in an industry that is already non forgiving in unforeseen events.
@jmy6050
@jmy6050 Год назад
Especially when you have your very own loved ones on board, you triple check everything before pushing the throttles forward. Don't you??
@rstidman
@rstidman Год назад
Kinda cool how they drove their airplanes like cars to the crash site. I would like to see more of small planes being used as road vehicles.
@GRosa250
@GRosa250 Год назад
Well, I mean it’s only appropriate since the accident aircraft was driven like a car into the swamp.
@HTN3
@HTN3 Год назад
And perhaps more road vehicles being used as small planes?
@MillionFoul
@MillionFoul Год назад
How the hell do you do this? Seriously, checking control surfaces is part of pre flight and pre-takeoff checklists for a reason.
@richardsmith4187
@richardsmith4187 Год назад
YEP !!!
@wardentex1810
@wardentex1810 Год назад
Complacency...
@fighterpilot5105
@fighterpilot5105 Год назад
They should make them frangible so they break at about 60-80 pounds of pressure. Strong enough to resist gusts but not a pilots desperate pull...
@johnmajane3731
@johnmajane3731 Год назад
The pilot lied, he did not do his pre takeoff checklist which always includes checking the controls for free and proper movement.
@Recovering_Californian
@Recovering_Californian Год назад
Exactly what I was thinking.
@b.buster
@b.buster Год назад
Yup
@kcindc5539
@kcindc5539 Год назад
Damn right he lied
@rstats2127
@rstats2127 Год назад
The only flight control he checked was the rudder because it moved while taxiing. Not to mention he says he puts the control lock in a bag but it was found on the floorboard underneath the rudder pedals
@virgilhilts3924
@virgilhilts3924 Год назад
What did he lie about?
@komrad1983
@komrad1983 Год назад
As soon as I seen him trying to lift off and not be able to - first thing in my mind: flight control lock. Running checklist and doing flight control checks are for begginners, right?
@joncox9719
@joncox9719 Год назад
In the INFAMOUS words of the late Dale "Snort" Snodgrass: Shit! SHIT!
@wingloading
@wingloading Год назад
I never noticed the presence of the control lock at the same time I never checked my controls or finished my checklist. Amazing.
@emtsteve24
@emtsteve24 Год назад
Why was everyone filming this takeoff?
@christianmaas8934
@christianmaas8934 Год назад
Fishy things: 1. Everyone has vacation time, no need to rush. 2. Control lock is haphazardly thrown on floor due to "back issue" even though there is no rush to take off. 3. Control lock can be installed with flag down and out of view.
@lindaschad9734
@lindaschad9734 Год назад
He was post-rotator cuff surgery; I have had this and you have very little mobility for six months and that's with physical therapy. He was also 70, so his recovery might be even longer.
@christianmaas8934
@christianmaas8934 Год назад
@@lindaschad9734 yeah but you don't just throw stuff on the floor of an airplane near rudder pedals. It can jam a control and kill you.
@flymachine
@flymachine Год назад
Mind blowing that experienced airplane drivers wouldn’t do a control check with pax on board not to speak of a preflight, but what’s worse is the guy starting up his ‘airplane’ to go take a look!
@johnmajane3731
@johnmajane3731 Год назад
You can see no movement of the elevator as it taxis out. Normally it would be full down and some movement. I have seen more than one pilot take off without their hands on the yoke until the plane gains speed. Bad and dangerous habit. I wonder if this pilot was one of those that did that?
@charlesfaure1189
@charlesfaure1189 Год назад
A pilot who neglects to do a control check is not taking the safety of those on board seriously and has no business carrying a certificate. A pilot who continues to accelerate down the runway despite failure to rotate is incompetent.
@justsnappy
@justsnappy Год назад
Almost killed three generations of his family over his complacency.
@richardsmith4187
@richardsmith4187 Год назад
"stupidity" he should hang up flying any further
@johnpatrick1588
@johnpatrick1588 Год назад
There are many times controls usually get moved before fight. From the preflight ground inspection checking movement and attachment points, in pilot seat preflight checklist -controls free and clear, again when taxiing not uncommon to move yoke around or to move it out of the way, then again lined up on the runway especially if a crosswind. Then again control locks are designed to be seen.
@RedArremer
@RedArremer Год назад
I've seen so many of these prop plane crash videos due to a simple lock being installed on the controls. Can someone please explain to me why these planes don't have it set up such that you can't START the damn plane when locks are engaged on the controls? Like seriously, how hard would it be to design a lock that physically prevents you from even starting the plane?
@megadavis5377
@megadavis5377 Год назад
Yes. Most single-engine Cessnas do have such an arrangement.
@davidbeattie1366
@davidbeattie1366 Год назад
Later models of the Cessna 414/421 had a lever lock on the tail that automatically disengaged when the pilot pulled the yoke back to rotate. The Beechcraft twins have a control lock that blocks the throttles as well as the yoke.
@mikelavelle5019
@mikelavelle5019 Год назад
Cessna has the ignition covered by the lock.
@RedArremer
@RedArremer Год назад
But why isn't this stuff mandatory? There shouldn't be ANY of these accidents happening where people get seriously injured or worse due to "oh no! I forgot to take the bike lock off the wheel!". Dale Snodgrass is another example. Probably the most meticulous pre-flight inspection routine out of the history of all pilots, and the ONE time he skips internal control check, the "bike lock" gets him. It's absurd this is STILL going on.
@bernieschiff5919
@bernieschiff5919 Год назад
@@RedArremer I agree, the control lock here seems to be a poor design, allowing rudder movement. I'm surprised this is on a certified aircraft. The Snodgrass accident was similar, almost invisible to the pilot, and loose enough to allow the plane to taxi for takeoff. No flag covering the ignition or fuel pump switches here, and it can be installed upside down making it invisible to the right seat crew. In the good old days, gear and flap levers were identical and placed next to each other, poor design has been a part of many accidents, unfortunately.
@cryptidonstrike
@cryptidonstrike Год назад
Something deeply relatable about the monotone “…shit.”
@bigbodyrydagarage5488
@bigbodyrydagarage5488 Год назад
Yup.
@Zerbey
@Zerbey Год назад
I was yelling "abort! abort!" at the screen, they had so much time to realize something was wrong and stop before they crashed and just kept on accelerating until it was much too late to avoid it.
@lindaschad9734
@lindaschad9734 Год назад
It sounded like a CRM problem - son was afraid to take over from dad until the last minute.
@johnlocklear
@johnlocklear Год назад
part of Pre-takeoff check "Controls are free and correct"........................
@m118lr
@m118lr Год назад
Tell you what.IF IT WASN’T FOR SECURITY CAMS, we’d NEVER get the ‘ending’ of recorded incidences..
@tpbohannon
@tpbohannon Год назад
Anybody notice that the Inspectors Statement used two incorrect N numbers (N83123Q and N8123Q) and referred to the accident aircraft as a Cessna U206F (which actually is N8123Q)? I hope there are no repercussions for the owner of the 206.
@andrewagner2035
@andrewagner2035 Год назад
Yes!
@Diapason16ft
@Diapason16ft Год назад
What you STILL haven’t seen-because dude dropped the camera at impact.
@budspaulding7121
@budspaulding7121 Год назад
Why are we seeing the aircraft listed as a C-206 Stationair in the NTSB report?
@mikelavelle5019
@mikelavelle5019 Год назад
I only flew small to high performance singles but I could not keep my hands off the controls during taxiing, I will never understand people that can take off with control locks installed. On most Cessna singles the lock covers the ignition. So it is the first thing you pull off and put it in the back of the seat.
@Mo_Taser
@Mo_Taser Год назад
I'm a total layman when it comes to flying. Hell, I don't even really enjoy being a passenger all that much. But when I saw him heading down the runway I could tell he wasn't getting off the ground.
@marthakrumboltz2710
@marthakrumboltz2710 Год назад
You also knew that the aircraft was about to end up in a swamp.
@rickashford4005
@rickashford4005 Год назад
Controls ~ free and correct. It's on the pre-takeoff check list... in black and white.
@Mike7478F
@Mike7478F Год назад
It always concerns me when we have many folk watching a plane departure filming expecting it to have a drama. And it does!!!
@427SuperSnake1
@427SuperSnake1 Год назад
Way to go on the free and correct control check! These fools are lucky no one was killed especially the kids.
@bmused55
@bmused55 Год назад
Dayum. Someone didn't do their pre-flight checks. Or if they did, didn't do them thoroughly enough and then also forgot to do a controls check!
@bs838
@bs838 Год назад
Pilot and copilot lying to save face, keep insurance money, etc. Shameful behavior. You guys screwed up, admit it and move on with your life.
@flysport_tedder
@flysport_tedder Год назад
why were people hanging out taking cell phone video of the takeoff? was it a charity flight or something?
@graememonie468
@graememonie468 Год назад
Full, free and correct movement!
@billyhillk5726
@billyhillk5726 Год назад
Complacency. Pure and simple. Checklist is my friend. I know. I'm a retired pilot. 🚁🚁🇺🇸
@marthakrumboltz2710
@marthakrumboltz2710 Год назад
You made it all the way to retirement. Kudos on having that friend, still.
@jamesdamron2065
@jamesdamron2065 Год назад
B.S. he didn't pre flight that plane!!! Lmfao. Would have been the first thing they noticed
@Recovering_Californian
@Recovering_Californian Год назад
No way the pilot performed the checklists. Literally every checklist for every plane type has a line item to check for the proper, and free, movement of the flight controls. It's a good thing they didn't get airborne. Would be a fatal outcome then.
@ajl9791
@ajl9791 Год назад
Checklist … picks up checklist and puts it away…check. I feel bad for the passengers and the plane. They both deserved a better pilot.
@richardsmith4187
@richardsmith4187 Год назад
Some people " Masquerade " as pilots and this was apparently one of them
@Gundog55
@Gundog55 Год назад
A run up with no flight control check?
@bluecrayon007
@bluecrayon007 Год назад
This pilot should be in big trouble. It’s his fault all those people almost died. I’m EVERY checklist it says “flight controls FREE AND CORRECT” In all caps. As a pilot I check my flight controls at least 2 times before I takeoff or even introduce any sort of higher throttle. If he did his checklist we wouldn’t be here right now. There is 0 chance his flight controls were free and correct before takeoff.
@fgrau7376
@fgrau7376 Год назад
Sounds like a rich family with more money then intelligence
@richardsmith4187
@richardsmith4187 Год назад
Yup !!!
@gregoryknox4444
@gregoryknox4444 Год назад
I'm glad I retired at the end of 38 yrs and 18,400 hrs of flying without making stupid mistake like this.
@Kaipeternicolas
@Kaipeternicolas Год назад
Who films an event like this and puts the camera down when something is about to happen.!? These damn boomers.
@rnzoli
@rnzoli Год назад
My conclusion is that if someone is recording your takeoff, disaster awaits.
@richardsmith4187
@richardsmith4187 Год назад
No, just documentation of a careless and not so smart pilot, and I use that term lightly
@rnzoli
@rnzoli Год назад
@@richardsmith4187 I agree with that, but what I meant that if people are recording your takeoff, maybe they feel that something is slightly odd. A nose-down elevator position during taxi would look odd to me in those weather conditions. Most people taxi with neutral elevator position, or a nose-up position. With that said, the person recording the takeoff may have been a family member, hence the recording. I don't know.
@williamardenjr116
@williamardenjr116 Год назад
COG isn't a joke. I tried A&P school back in 2011 and I had to take that class 3 times before I passed.
@marthakrumboltz2710
@marthakrumboltz2710 Год назад
Sounds as if both pilots entered “damage control mode”, reasons lock was not in bag, couldn’t remember if control lock was removed etc. “For insurance purposes you understand” Everybody makes mistakes and the operators here are not not immune. By not coming clean, they put too many resources to work in a vain attempt to establish reason for crash.Jerks
@darrenhussey5848
@darrenhussey5848 Год назад
I was kinda curious why he didn’t rotate?
@cliffs5810
@cliffs5810 Год назад
I'm not even a pilot but if I am in copilot seat for take off I'm watching those gauges and looking out that front window and watching the pilot. I sure ain't lazily staring out the side window. Seems the first inclination at failure to rotate would be to slam the throttles to idle. Not try to figure out what's wrong first. You can always try again if you stop in time.
@StuMcClay
@StuMcClay Год назад
Flight controls free and correct …. CHECK
@jjaus
@jjaus Год назад
After run-up, trim, test controls.full and free movement.
@andrewagner2035
@andrewagner2035 Год назад
Your data shows N8123Q as a 1975 Cessna 206F? Maybe you has confused 8123 and 8132!
@dimebagdave77
@dimebagdave77 Год назад
THNX!
@TeamBlindMouse
@TeamBlindMouse 7 месяцев назад
I miss my old boss's 414. What cool plane. My first IFR exp and I was still a student
@foxkill7
@foxkill7 Год назад
this same exact thing killed one of the best, a well known retired F14 pilot. He had many aircraft under his belt and died due to a stupid control lock.😭😭😭😭😭😭 very sad
@philipdartnell
@philipdartnell Год назад
An absurdly unnecessary accident. I can't remember a single occasion on any flight I've ever done where I didn't check free, full and correct movement of the controls.
@tysoncott7402
@tysoncott7402 Год назад
Wow just wow, i have flown nitro fuel r/c planes since the late 1980’s & even on a model plane we check all flight control functions before take-off, i can’t fathom not checking all that on a real airplane.
@marthakrumboltz2710
@marthakrumboltz2710 Год назад
Also, flying r/c, check controls free and clear AND correct. It’s easy to reverse ailerons or elevator.
@lelandsdad13
@lelandsdad13 Год назад
I do full motion checks on the computer Sim game so no excuse for an actual pilot not to. I bet he feels like crap hurting his family like he did. Hope they grounded him.
@andyturner224
@andyturner224 Год назад
Every Cessna approved control lock I have ever seen is designed with a non-removable tag that sits over the BAT MASTER and / or MAG switches.......can not start engine/engines with lock in place Unapproved lock in place perhaps????
@jacksmith7726
@jacksmith7726 Год назад
Did they say they shared doing the preflight if so seems like a easy way for something to get over looked
@dziban303
@dziban303 Год назад
Nice tune
@kcindc5539
@kcindc5539 Год назад
PIC recently had shoulder surgery. What are the odds he didn’t remove the control lock because the release was on the same side as his bum shoulder and (as one tends to do) didn’t think to remove it in an effort to minimize painful movements. They removed the control lock after the crash before leaving the aircraft.
@komrad1983
@komrad1983 Год назад
Shoulder surgery is is a lame a$$ excuse. TWO pilots up front, NOT ONE performed checklists, NOT ONE performed proper walkaround, NOT ONE had any departure briefing in the event of RTO, NOT ONE even paid attention of what's going on in the cockpit, as after all, control lock is easy to notice, meaning NOT ONE even done flows/scans let alone checklists. They got lucky. P.S. Not to notice the flight control lock you have to physically don't touch the yoke once until rotation which is also a poor airman skills.
@kcindc5539
@kcindc5539 Год назад
@@komrad1983 you’re absolutely right
@rnzoli
@rnzoli Год назад
The probability of this is 99%. I leave 1% that the father actually managed to pull the pin out, but his son already cut power. Good teamwork.... 😕
@kcindc5539
@kcindc5539 Год назад
@@rnzoli what strikes me is the PIC said his shoulder surgery is why “he may have missed” tossing the control lock into his flight bag. What does he mean he “may have missed tossing it in his flight bag?” He either did or he didn’t. But that’s obfuscating the issue. The issue is whether he removed it at all. Again, I’m confident he didn’t remove it at all until it was either too late during takeoff or not until after they stopped.
@rnzoli
@rnzoli Год назад
​@@kcindc5539 I agree. One important cue is that the PIC was reportedly looking at the yoke and searching for the lock while rumbling down the remaining runway. If you had done a thorough preflight, you were sure that the lock is removed, so in case of a stuck control, the first thing you would suspect was a severe mechanical problem with the elevator, triggering an immediate and unconditional abort. Looking at the control lock at 100 kts is the sign that even the PIC thought it was quite probable that he forgot to remove it, and he tried to unlock quickly. Which he probably did, as the pin and the hole wasn't damaged in the crash itself. The scary part is that this may have occurred before, with the PIC forgetting the pin and removing it quickly during takeoff, after recognizing the mistake. (Similar was the case for that bizjet a few years back, that crashed with control lock engaged - they managed to save the day in a few occasion, got used to it, but then a day came when the improvised procedure didn't work and they died.)
@carlospulpo4205
@carlospulpo4205 Год назад
I guess the large red prominent flag with "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" wasn't enough. I am going to guess there was a wee bit of distraction in the cockpit during what should have been pre-flight.
@regressmenot
@regressmenot Год назад
Does a run-up but doesn't bother to do a Free & Clear check? 🤔
@ronstowell8646
@ronstowell8646 Год назад
Complacency kills, no flight control check AT ALL, half way down the runway no abort just keep the power to it ......and to find the control lock still installed is just BEYOND comprehension.
@paulmaul2186
@paulmaul2186 Год назад
What the heck is that little yellow twin?
@BrilliantDesignOnline
@BrilliantDesignOnline Год назад
I think it is an Air-Cam LS
@danielhawley6817
@danielhawley6817 Год назад
AirCam - designed for photo missions over hostile terrain - two engines
@warped-sliderule
@warped-sliderule Год назад
As he taxis by elevator is "trailing edge down" and never budged as if the control lock was in. Chances of that happening with control lock out -- nill. Tie a "remove before flight" streamer on the lock. Streamer would tangle around your legs as a reminder. Oh, never mind that would be the cause of a pilot ignoring that he can't move his legs and taking off...
@Spyke-lz2hl
@Spyke-lz2hl Год назад
I knew it was a control lock just when it was going down the runway, the way it was pinching the nose down and as fast as they were going it should’ve easily flown.
@paulclarke3132
@paulclarke3132 Год назад
Since this plane came to rest in a Florida marsh it's possible the injuries were the result of alligator bites instead of trauma from the crash
@cup_and_cone
@cup_and_cone Год назад
Lucky there was no major fire with the engine and wing ripped off.
@SR-bh5jd
@SR-bh5jd Год назад
Wonder at what point the pilot knew he was screwed?
@richardsmith4187
@richardsmith4187 Год назад
Probably about 3/4 down the runway and at attempted rotation is when the "oh crap" started and then hold on for the ride
@wayneroyal3137
@wayneroyal3137 Год назад
Too many numbers in the log and it shows a 206? Whatever, this is a 414, the “Chancellor “ wasn’t until later
@bmwlane8834
@bmwlane8834 Год назад
We're human...we make mistakes. Even the pros, the best of the best F up sometimes.
@justsnappy
@justsnappy Год назад
*Son is a rated pilot. No excuse to not have briefed the departure and been making the V1 / abort callout. How about some CRM, folks!?*
@joshyaks
@joshyaks Год назад
Checklists schmecklists.
@richardsmith4187
@richardsmith4187 Год назад
I think that was his attitude, move out of the way " Skygod" is about to take flight LOL
@BrilliantDesignOnline
@BrilliantDesignOnline Год назад
Luckily the kids had minor injuries, where the four adults had serious injuries. This will be worthy of a follow-up, because it is a mystery. You would think the control lock would be bent in such a way it rested on the throttle quadrant when installed: Lock=no go.
@josephallen5856
@josephallen5856 Год назад
Been waiting 2 years for a follow up, unfortunately the NTSB factual report shows no evidence of anything.
@bigbodyrydagarage5488
@bigbodyrydagarage5488 Год назад
You'd think that red flag in front of you would be a sign...
@WhatYouHaventSeen
@WhatYouHaventSeen Год назад
@@josephallen5856As you probably know, the investigation is ongoing.
@jackoneil3933
@jackoneil3933 Год назад
I seem to recall 32Q being based out of Salem Oregon for many years. I also remember those hokey 414/421 control locks, how could you take off and not see that thing plugged in? (unless he plugged it in upside-down?) I don't ever recall using a 414/421 factory control lock but once, and thinking "This is a goofy POS!". I did use exterior gust locks on a few aircraft but attached a cord to the rudder and elevator clamps with a lanyard to clip to the tie-down chain thinking chances are I'd not get very far with the tail chained down, and if I did, the cord wold pull the gust locks out.
@megadavis5377
@megadavis5377 Год назад
Seems like it would be so much better to simply pull the yoke back-n-forth while you're taxiing to make sure they're flapping around like they're supposed to. But then again, maybe the IRS calculates tax rates on airplanes based on control movements now. Could that be what ADS-B is all about...? Perhaps the chemtrail switch fell off and got lodged in the yoke column...
@CFITOMAHAWK2
@CFITOMAHAWK2 Год назад
Lazy pilots. aahumm!! Hey, that restaurant had very nice ham and french fries, dont they? Ok, we are ready for take off.
@grus2011
@grus2011 Год назад
Overweight or improper direction of control surfaces. It looks like a little of both. A thorough pre-flight check is a must, especially with multiple passengers aboard. Wow! 😢
@ukar69
@ukar69 Год назад
Leaving the control lock in is one thing. Getting most of the way down the runway before aborting is another. If you're not off at a certain point you abort, whatever the reason.
@rnzoli
@rnzoli Год назад
True, but on the other hand, twins are a bit different, as you are not supposed to (not trained to, not conditioned to) abort after V1. Most of the aborts after V1 result in runway excursions and crashes into neighbouring installations.
@bigbodyrydagarage5488
@bigbodyrydagarage5488 Год назад
Doesn't help that the right-seater is wool-gathering instead of acting as a SIC/safety pilot/active observer...4300 foot runway, son says they normally got off in 2000' or so...I'd think that a RTO would have been successful (or at least not ended in thr swamp!) had it been timely called for and executed...
@odaktin7857
@odaktin7857 Год назад
Nothing says plane crash quite like a generic rap beat that's deafeningly loud.
@Captndarty
@Captndarty Год назад
Father needs to be demoted to Skycap and the son to PIC🤷🏻‍♂️
@bigbodyrydagarage5488
@bigbodyrydagarage5488 Год назад
The son was sitting there like a bump on a log. Go read his statement again and think again about him being PIC of anything beyond a paper plane...
@Captndarty
@Captndarty Год назад
@@bigbodyrydagarage5488 A bump on the log who reached over and pulled the throttles back to idle. Better than the ole Pic did… gotta be worth something
@bigbodyrydagarage5488
@bigbodyrydagarage5488 Год назад
@@Captndarty a plugged nickel, maybe...
@N1611n
@N1611n Год назад
Very poor airmanship!
@toniavasseur9574
@toniavasseur9574 Год назад
I work at UPS and I the small feeder planes when was sitting on the runway out by our tarmac and another one came and ran into him And I witnessed the whole thing and then the pilots got out the packages were flying and then the other plane took off they got in trouble for leaving an accident
@dannyd3819
@dannyd3819 Год назад
How about next time pull up
@appamaddox8190
@appamaddox8190 Год назад
The wife did this by starting an argument before and during take off. Everyone else suffered because he was in victim survival mode and couldn't concentrate on his pre trip. Let's hope the alligators got her first. Don't ever fly with your wife!!!
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