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CETME-L History & Disassembly 

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The CETME-L was Spain's replacement for the CETME Modelo C, which was the 7.62x51mm rifle that was essentially adopted by Germany as the G3 in the 1950s. By the 1980s Spain needed to move to the new NATO standard caliber, 5.56x45mm. A domestic design was preferred, so rather than but HK-93 rifles from Germany the Spanish military opted to bring back a development project that had begun back in 1971.
The CETME Modelo L uses the exact same operating system as the Modelo C and the HK 91/93, but because its design was run independently by Spain it shares few interchangeable parts. Most notably, the cocking handle tube and receiver top have a square profile, rather than round. The magazine well was intended to use STANAG magazines, but was not particularly well designed and has a very steep and abrupt feed angle. This, combined with quality control issues in rifle and magazine manufacture led to substantial reliability problems.
The final development was completed between 1982 and 1984, with production beginning in 1986 and the full run or about 100,000 rifles finished in 1991. By 1996 the deficiencies with the rifle were clear, and the Spanish military held replacement trials, which would result in the H&K G36E being adopted in 1999 to replace the Modelo L.
The CETME-L design, if built correctly, is a reasonably good one, although rather old-fahsioned by the late 1980s. It lacked the modularity to allow use of modern optical sights, lasers, attached grenade launchers, and other accessories that were becoming common. This is likely due to the design originating more than a decade earlier - had it been introduced in the early 1970s it would have been much more timely.
In addition to this standard Modelo L, two other versions were also used in smaller numbers. The Modelo LC was a carbine variant with a shorter barrel and collapsing stock, and the Modelo LV was an marksman's variant with a STANAG optics rail incorporated into its different type of rear sight.
Thanks to Hill & Mac Gunworks for letting me take a look at this rifle!

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@RenIanabie
@RenIanabie Год назад
Fun fact: every Spanish soldier soon learned that the dirt this rifle can generate is almost insane. Due to this, we used to jokingly say that CETME means Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida (roughly meaning Each Hole Has Hidden Shit).
@tombogan03884
@tombogan03884 Год назад
Is that stiff selector switch typical ? Or did Ian just get a bad one ?
@Gearparadummies
@Gearparadummies 2 года назад
One of the biggest issues I had with the rifle was precisely the magazine well. In order to cut costs, magazines were meant to be discarded after a couple uses. Being sorely underfunded, the Spanish military ordered its troops to keep them until they were no longer usable, causing a lot of problems. Those of us stationed at joint based bartered with US personnel to get a few M16 ones and painted them Army green. They wouldn't pass close inspection-we kept the original mags for that-but it got us past firing drills without getting grounded for the weekend.
@miguelangelsimonfernandez5498
@miguelangelsimonfernandez5498 8 лет назад
Sorry Ian. I did military service with both the C and the L in Spain. The original CETME-L production guns did have interruption issues (not the prototypes) , in fact, more than one would like. The C model was a dream to shoot. Another thing you point out about that long 7.62 early caliber. It did perform well, however, that long and light bullet ( did see the whole ammo collection at a friend's) was unofficially used in the spanish IFNI colony in the spanish Sahara against rebels. It had very good terminal ballistics but could infringe the Geneva convention. Another reason was that having NATO 7,62 and the possibility to join the organization it was wiser to adopt that
@mikemcdougall2435
@mikemcdougall2435 8 лет назад
Best damn RU-vid channel period. The weapons, the history, the stories, the production value, the professionalism, and knowledge. All unmatched.
@mattdickson2
@mattdickson2 8 лет назад
it is certainly one of the best. However i believe it is tied with the great war channel and C&Rsenal
@mikemcdougall2435
@mikemcdougall2435 8 лет назад
+Matt Dickson Ah yes two of my other favorite channels.
@Steveindajeep
@Steveindajeep 8 лет назад
You ass, now i have more channels to suck up my precious work time! Seriously, thanks, enjoying C&R.
@MrShooter16
@MrShooter16 8 лет назад
But most of all, quite a colossal amount of the firearms on this channel are iconic, legendary and even if some of those are neither, they have a small legacy on those, you know? A good example is the CETME in this video, looks really great but is not as recognized as the G3, which was based on this, except that had 7,62x51 NATO ;)
@TXiCN
@TXiCN 8 лет назад
also has a very polite and respectable viewer base :)
@Leander_
@Leander_ 6 лет назад
CETME-L disassembly guide: ..and then you-.. just kinda wiggle this piece.. it's going, I swear-.. alright, yeah, okay... cool, got it, piece of cake.
@Sammael66685
@Sammael66685 4 года назад
Pre-EU Spanish Engineering at it's finest!
@johnkelinske1449
@johnkelinske1449 4 года назад
Pretty much covers it. If you have a low frustration/aggravation level, or don't like fooling with quirky sometimes oddball old guns, best steer clear of this one. I do confess I like my Malcomar version, it is a fun gun to shoot once you get it dialed in.
@cooper10182
@cooper10182 4 года назад
Looks to me its only field strip is the bolt to clean the rifle and everything else was meant for armory strip.
@densealloy
@densealloy 3 года назад
Don't forget...wonky🤣
@joedoe842
@joedoe842 3 года назад
Right lol century c308 was super easy to take a part
@diktatoralexander88
@diktatoralexander88 Год назад
I love the retro look, this is the most 80s looking thing ever.
@eduardorgm7349
@eduardorgm7349 8 лет назад
I really appreciate you took your time to do this video, It is quite interesting, long time I did not see one of this, it was my service rifle in the time I was in the Spanish Marine Corps about 20 years ago. I agree with most things you mention in the first part of the video. I was instructor and shot many ones, but believe me, we changed it by the HK because the malfunctions in this gun were terrible, the design is just a small version of CETME C, the prototypes were excellent and reliable, in fact some foreign countries were about to adopt it, UK bought some ones once the rifle was in production, and they returned all of them due to the malfunctions. In the marine corps we tested it and sent a lot of modifications to the manufacturer, the company produced a special version for the the marine corps called LV, and that worked really fine, but I am talking about just a thousand rifles or so, the cool thing of the CETME LV is that was the same SUSAT scope as the SA80 at that time. The main problem really was the bad quality of the materials and the reduction of quality controls in the manufacturing process to reduce the production price the result was a disaster, every soldier in Spain knows that this is the reallity and it was recognized by the army many times. I remember many of them that simply broke the notch of the magazine and the magazine was fully inserted passing the chamber and things like that, many many brass ejections problems and things like that, in summary, a disaster... There was a short version called CETME LC for CQB, vehicles , etc, with collapsible stock, that for some strange reason worked flawlessly, but nobody knew why really... Anyway, nice to see my old "friend" again :) thanks for sharing and a hug from Spain to all US weapon enthusiasts that can use "our" guns, since in Spain 223 is a caliber forbidden for civilians, so we can not buy these rifles as surplus in any manner... This was the CETME LC 2.bp.blogspot.com/-i3Nt7wKfon4/Ul1yjfMP5WI/AAAAAAAAEAQ/ZO39C8XQWV4/s400/Cetme+LC.jpg And this other one the CETME LV 3.bp.blogspot.com/-GzFPyX3F14A/Ul1ylgg7mrI/AAAAAAAAEBI/E2-abv60Ack/s400/Con+LV.jpg
@operator6942
@operator6942 6 лет назад
Efectivamente la mayor parte de lo que dices es verdad. Lo que devolvieron los marines ingleses fue la ameli, muy buena en preproducción, muy mala en producción. En el año 1988 ya la infantería de marina tenía un dossier como de dos dedos de gordo de los fallos. Yo mismo tuve que hacer un informe aquel año. Tal fue la nula aceptación, que se compró una partida de m16 como medida de presión ante el minisdef. Por motivos políticos y de autarquía y sobre todo debido a que los del ejercito nos lo metieron con calzador (igual que la pistola llama) tuvimos que usarlo con unos pocos detalles externos como el visor susat que también se usó en la ameli.
@lothar29
@lothar29 5 лет назад
this was my weapon when I was in the Spanish Legion.. 1997/2000
@Gearparadummies
@Gearparadummies 5 лет назад
Mine too. Infantería de Marina. 1995-96.
@alvarohernani6645
@alvarohernani6645 4 года назад
I friend of my uncle did the mili with it. He said that it was so heavy that he preferred carrying a donkey rather than the CETME
@TheSasepit98
@TheSasepit98 4 года назад
@@alvarohernani6645 Si sois los 3 españoles que coño haceis hablando en inglés?
@TheSasepit98
@TheSasepit98 4 года назад
@@Gearparadummies Por cierto que casualidad verte por aqui jajaja
@alvarohernani6645
@alvarohernani6645 4 года назад
@@TheSasepit98 para que los demás puedan entender
@RCZM64
@RCZM64 8 лет назад
The extra position is not for dissassembly (for that, just wiggle it until you get it), but for the trigger packs that had an additional 3-round burst position past full auto (not many of those built). The selector is not universally that hard to move. It is sometimes, and in others it fell to full under recoil. One of the quality control problems by late 90's. About the hot ammo, a NATO ¿order? back then forbid using Santa Barbara ammo on any gas operated rifle amd warnings were issued not to swap ammo in joint exercises. We could use other ammo without problem, but reliability issues were always there. On the adoption of the G36, rumor mill back then (known as "Radio Macuto" in spanish military service) was that it was adopted as compensation for having sold Santa Barbara to General Dynamics (instead to Kraus-Maffei). Since Leopard 2 tanks had to be built under license there (and by a rival company!), it was part of a "compensation package" of sorts.
@jscott099
@jscott099 3 года назад
Just purchased a CETME LV/S from MarColMar Firearms. These are rebuilds using a mix of US made parts (receiver, barrel, etc) and Spanish surplus. Feels solid and will have it on the range soon to check out shooting quality.
@smart00ass00inc
@smart00ass00inc 6 лет назад
I've spoken to a veteran from the Spanish legion. He told me he loved this gun, and that it's bad reputation comes from other army units who kept them in warehouses, untended to and not cleaned several times per day - as legionaries will do-
@ultra4thgenpablo
@ultra4thgenpablo 5 лет назад
Exactly. I have been on the military troops during 6 years since 2001 (Paratroopers/Brigada Paracaidista black berets) We clean every day our CETME L and never had a problem. I love this assault rifle. After that, in late 2001 the german G36 arrived. What a plastic shit!!!
@joaquinandreu8530
@joaquinandreu8530 4 года назад
Most probably the reason is that the Legion got, like the Guardia Civil, the good quality batch. The conscript army (in the 80's) got the low quality batch. When the army went profesional in the 90's, they all switched to G-36. The Guardia Civil still uses the Cetme L and they work great.
@charles_wipman
@charles_wipman 6 лет назад
The CETME L was an unrealiable weapon, used to jam alot by two main reasons A) low power ammo B) magazine spring, some had issues with the recoil spring too; the bolt catch could be relased with a slap on the body of the weapon, the bakelite stock can break when going prone using the stock, i'd seen that three times, also seen two pistol grips break during the instruction. The ET marking means Ejército de Tierra (Land Army) and the Armada ones had FN (Fuerza Naval), that one seem to be a mid production one, the latest one had M16A2 bird cage flash hiders; still in use in small number by the Army and Armada, Marine Infantry too, also by the Guardia Civil. The outside of the barrel and the metal of the hand guard had heavy corrosion issues, if you fired some magazines and rest the weapon verticaly with the barrel aganist a wall and let it cool down... you could bend the barrel, it had Safe, Semi, Burst, Full-Auto & Dissasembly possitions. I had a lot of fun with that piece of crap.
@3.2Carrera
@3.2Carrera 7 лет назад
Ian: I got my build from HMG a few weeks ago and it's a great rifle for sure. Thanks for turning me on to them.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
Awesome, glad to hear it!
@kasperlindstrom9990
@kasperlindstrom9990 8 лет назад
The first gun this made me think of was the FNC... then the G3... after that I just got the feeling of wanting this just for the looks. It really has a battle rifle look to it, and it's similar to two guns I've seen quite a bit here in Sweden, the AK4 and AK5 or our G3 and FNC.
@nopenopenopenope194
@nopenopenopenope194 8 лет назад
I have read from Spanish ex-military that the CETME L mags were crap and were swapped out with US or any other NATO mag by the Spanish soldiers... then jealously guarded.
@paugarcia2750
@paugarcia2750 8 лет назад
Yeah, they are right. At that time they tried to save money reducing quality and using cheap materials... and they did a total mess. Cetme L was an example of it, the machine CETME Ameli is another. The Amelie was a really really good design, they even won a competition to arm the british special forces, but when they received the ordered batch was in such poor conditions they returned it LOL what a shame.
@flematicoreformandose5046
@flematicoreformandose5046 5 лет назад
Greetings from Spain! I used CETME-L when I was in the spanish army.
@jonasjeaggi4575
@jonasjeaggi4575 6 лет назад
The Norwegian G3 variant (AG3 made by Kongsberg) has a grooved cutout on the bolt carrier to action as a forward assist, though i was told this was for "silent" bolt closing, and we were taught to rack the bolt in case of failure to go into battery
@Altheniar
@Altheniar 5 лет назад
Theres a joke abaut the real meaning of CETME. Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida. It can be transleted like: Every Corner Have Filth Hiden.
@Gearparadummies
@Gearparadummies 5 лет назад
Cada esquina y la bocacha doble y más difícil de ver(Para ti, el Brigada la pillaba a la primera)
@staringgasmask
@staringgasmask 4 года назад
Eso no se decia con el modelo C... Ese era chopo y punto
@litorres4125
@litorres4125 4 года назад
Altheniar also every corner with shit hidden
@armr6937
@armr6937 4 года назад
Every Corner Has Shit Hidden
@TomasPabon
@TomasPabon 4 года назад
Cuando Estan Tirando, Me Escondo
@BobtheHobo324
@BobtheHobo324 8 лет назад
Other than the sights and the stock, this gun is very aesthetically pleasing. It looks really cool.
@SargentoDuke
@SargentoDuke 3 года назад
G36 iron sights are based on Cetme-L
@BobtheHobo324
@BobtheHobo324 3 года назад
@@SargentoDuke not really. I was more talking about the sight protectors not being as aesthetically pleasing as the rest of the rifle when I made this comment 4 years ago.
@fjarandag
@fjarandag 4 года назад
Your did a great explanation, and I learned new things about the rifle I used when I did my service in 98-99. The cheek in tongue interpretation for CETME was "Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida" (Every corner has hidden crap). I heard the tale that the Model L did great in the design workshops and firing ranges, but once it was mass produced it became worse than expected. Not the most reliable weapon, but that's not a bad thing for drilling, just to stress that the weapon must be kept in as good condition as possible.
@ramjb
@ramjb 8 лет назад
That's a pretty nice video out of one of my country's weapons. Sadly, not the greatest...the CETME-L was truly bad. the malfunctions you had while firing it weren't due to the ammo you were using; the weapon itself was to blame and I doubt you'd have had a stoppage-free run of firing out of a whole mag full of the best quality ammo you could use. The reasons are simple, manufacturing was not up to par. While the first series of the rifle were pretty well built, most of the production run was done with very bad manufacturing standards and low quality materials. I've heard friends who were in the army tell absolutely horrific stories about this rifle (the one that impressed me the most was of a particular event in a shooting range when out of a whole mag only 7 rounds were fired without a malfunction). Those of the first runs, however, reportedly performed well, had no such trouble, and I think they're still in use by the spanish Guardia Civil. The whole point is that the G36 was adopted because the spanish army's main rifle was pretty much unable to fire five rounds in a row without jamming. The CETME-L might be one of the worst assault rifles ever produced that actually went on to be standard issue in any army,in fact, due to the manufacturing problems with it. A far cry off the original CETME-C (the so-called "chopo") which I've never heard a bad word about (other than it being very heavy and kicking like a mule on steroids on full auto XD). I hope you can find one of those to make one of this videos ;) ;).
@xpainx5185
@xpainx5185 6 лет назад
The "Chopo" was hard as a rock. You could abuse it to crazy extremes and still working fine. I also remember that I heard the cannon if this weapon become crooked when it comes hot.
@tehOGRE
@tehOGRE 6 лет назад
Ian & Karl build two Cetme-L's on inrange.tv they got them running pretty smooth, also interesting to watch the build of that thing.
@darklighter8968
@darklighter8968 6 лет назад
Basicamente en vez de ponerse en pompa y dejar que nos follen los alemanes, podian haber puesto en forma las fabricas y a los huevones que las dirigian, pero no, esto señores es España. El diseño del fusil como tal es extremadamente bueno y fiable, si no fuera por que las piezas parecian haber sido fabricadas por gitanos con resaca.
@FlymanStereophonic
@FlymanStereophonic 6 лет назад
@@darklighter8968 tal cual... Teníamos una industria en ese sentido bastante prometedora si se hubiese continuado en la línea de trabajo del chopo... Pero acabamos con un Fusil mediocre... Y bueno, mejor no hablamos de la AMELI... No?
@granaino127
@granaino127 5 лет назад
Habláis aquí algunos como si España en la actualidad no tuviese industria puntera en el sector militar...
@alejandrog553
@alejandrog553 6 лет назад
CETME-C was a very good weapon, very reliable and powerful. I think CETME-L version was cheaper only for mandatory militar service use. Only for practice and not for war.
@staringgasmask
@staringgasmask 4 года назад
Nah, it was because of the crisis
@allain98productions
@allain98productions 4 года назад
En México siguen usando el G3, prácticamente un CETME C hecho en Alemania. Intentaron reemplazarlo por un fusil de manufactura local, el cual es bueno excepto en condiciones de calor.
@3.2Carrera
@3.2Carrera 7 лет назад
I just got the upgraded spring kit from HMG for the firing pin, disconnector, and hammer. The springs are much more robust than the stock ones. Not too bad of a job, but it took me a while since it was my first time digging into the trigger pack. HMG's improvements in a few places seem to have made this a really reliable platform.
@cocopud
@cocopud 6 лет назад
Wow! The sound of that thing firing on the range through my rather bass heavy headphones was incredible 😎
@josej489
@josej489 5 лет назад
Las primeras remesas salieron buenas o normalitas, pero las siguientes rebajaron el coste de material y se encasquillaba. No así con el CETME LC de culatin abatible para Guardia Civil y cuerpos militares especiales, que salieron muy buenos. El mío al menos era buenísimo, con excelente precisión incluso en ráfaga y sin encasquillarse. Solo después de muchos tiros iba perdiendo precisión, pero había un truco para eso. Otra ventaja con la que mucha gente no estará de acuerdo es el acerrojamiento por rodillos semirigidos, es más fiable y acerroja mejor, pero pesa más.
@AFpaleoCon
@AFpaleoCon 8 лет назад
I love the look of this thing. It looks so good.
@DrJiKentauriuzHero
@DrJiKentauriuzHero 6 лет назад
It's a very nice looking rifle. And it does look like it has a thin profile. I've never shot a gun before, much less owned one. But like that guy before me said, it's like this gun is whispering to my ear, "you must have me".
@handlebullshit
@handlebullshit 8 лет назад
Regarding the safety being really stiff, It's the shaft of the safety lever rubbing on the reciever, just smack it from the outside and it will pop into place and work much smoother.
@Harbingerofd00m
@Harbingerofd00m 8 лет назад
20:00 "You gotta get it in the hole, and then you gotta jam it forward." Phrasing, lol.
@anomilumiimulimona2924
@anomilumiimulimona2924 5 лет назад
Harbingerofd00m, that's what she said!!!
@mattarndt841
@mattarndt841 4 года назад
Gotta love the technical terminology here. Wiggly jiggly.
@SuperMarshall2009
@SuperMarshall2009 8 лет назад
I really like videos like this, because parts kits for these are still on the market and it gives us some inspiration for us that like to build some of these oddball guns. Thanks Guys.
@Adamulos
@Adamulos 8 лет назад
Apart from the rear sight this thing looks amazing. And we appreciate.
@Fuckitheclown6
@Fuckitheclown6 6 лет назад
I like how it can balance on it's own mag even when it's empty
@seriousGeex
@seriousGeex 8 лет назад
I like how Ian scratched up the table XD Still a very informative and good video!
@ZoneofA
@ZoneofA 8 лет назад
Karl with a different beard every time. How he does it nobody knows.
@bigfutus
@bigfutus 8 лет назад
Time travel or magic, we may never know.
@zloychechen5150
@zloychechen5150 8 лет назад
Karl is kool.
@Anonymous8421
@Anonymous8421 7 месяцев назад
​@@zloychechen5150 this comment aged horribly :(
@PepeBote11a
@PepeBote11a 5 лет назад
Mi father used one like this during his obligatory military service in the 80s in spain
@Feiora
@Feiora 7 лет назад
IT seems like with just alittle more refinement, a new sighting system and a new guard that could accommodate attachments this would have been a perfectly good rifle assuming that better quality control could be attained...
@fernandoguzmanfernandez3466
Mine was ET100907 in bootcamp and ET115400 during my service in airborne brigade BRIPAC. We clean them as maniacs; and NEVER had a jam. The LC was even better.
@caseyterrence1606
@caseyterrence1606 6 лет назад
Pretty cool rifle. Looks like a future sci-fi weapon. I do love me some OD Green.
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 8 лет назад
Yes, that rifle defiantly likes hotter ammo. The high speed footage shows the bolt is barely making it back far enough, and that first malfunction was an under powered round. I really love how this rifle looks. I wish they became popular on the surplus market because I would love to have one.
@thespanishinquisition4078
@thespanishinquisition4078 4 года назад
Well 3 years later they kinda have. At least the building kits. Yay
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 4 года назад
@@thespanishinquisition4078 Ha yes, they are starting to show up more and more.
@rickey5353
@rickey5353 6 лет назад
This rifle has more issues than a news stand.
@lowtierhuman69
@lowtierhuman69 8 лет назад
i really like that it balances on the magazine. how neat and tidy.
@Choo-ew9so
@Choo-ew9so 5 лет назад
Most of the problems with these were fairly simple fixes. Biggest issue was the Spanish mags, they run great with US GI mags.....and sometimes they have weak extractor springs, which is another easy fix. Upgrade these and they will run as as good as an H&K.
@horizob
@horizob 8 лет назад
We, the inhabitants of videoland, respect and admire you, Karl, for the sacrifice of shooting an original Spanish assault rifle! :)
@seven-sixtwo762
@seven-sixtwo762 8 лет назад
looks like a G3 and an M16 had alone time in the gun safe....
@coitusergosum2447
@coitusergosum2447 8 лет назад
It was named after what the G3 said to the M16. "Sex Me". But that was too inappropriate, so they went with CETME instead.
@seven-sixtwo762
@seven-sixtwo762 8 лет назад
+Coitus Ergo Sum idk but it looks more like an FNC...
@larrymccoy5394
@larrymccoy5394 3 года назад
@@seven-sixtwo762 The G3 is licence weapon of first CETME
@olddirtyburt7522
@olddirtyburt7522 8 лет назад
thanks for taking one for the team
@trancamortal
@trancamortal 4 года назад
The forward assist is intended for closing the bolt silently, or as silently as possible, so not to alert your for you are after him
@brandon956
@brandon956 6 лет назад
Damn Ian you were really banging this thing around lol
@Balbis1333
@Balbis1333 2 года назад
my hears just hurt watching this can't imagine what it was like in person
@alexdemoya2119
@alexdemoya2119 8 лет назад
Early grey tea, honey, a new video from Gun Jesus. Ultimate bliss.
@mphelps1013
@mphelps1013 8 лет назад
Less forward assist, more forward helper-outer. But once again Ian, Ace Vid. And thanks to Karl for "taking one for the team". I'm guessing he didn't have to be asked twice.
@genericdenizen1
@genericdenizen1 6 лет назад
Good video, as always. The CETME-L looks cool, so I bought one. And yes, it's definitely not an H&K. The rifle is pretty much junk by any standard of effectiveness, as I had read before purchasing. The rear sight doesn't work well. The magazine well is so tight, I actually sanded an aluminum AR mag to fit. The safety/selector switch doesn't fit through the trigger pack correctly, because the holes don't line up properly - and this, from the factory. The trigger pull is basically terrible, etc. But it looks cool, and is okay to shoot, and is a fun part of my collection. If you want reliability, use a Mini-14. The CETME is just for fun.
@desmovallecas
@desmovallecas 8 лет назад
Thank you for this interesting rewiew !!! At first part of my military service ( in Spain ) we use the previous version, the Cetme C in 7,62X51 OTAN ( nato ) and the transition to this L version in 5,56 X 45 was terrific, for example in the movements body to ground ( we call it belly to ground ) we support the stock in the ground and strech the body, with a strong Cetme C you have´nt problems, but you can imagine what happens with this plastic stock, many units was returned with broken stock, too much interruptions with spanish ammo and various problems propitiates return of the old C model I think it was a good design but a bad realization ( too cheap I suspect ) Thank you again, good remembers
@impassivelion1393
@impassivelion1393 8 лет назад
Some memories from my time in service. CEMTE guns were heavy and uncomfortable but eventually you learn to love them.
@ALegitimateYoutuber
@ALegitimateYoutuber 8 лет назад
Would be cool to see you do a video on the old, experimental, and forgotten ammo. Because that bullet you talked about at the start sounded super interesting, and I know there have been others you mentioned before but never really talked about. Just saying would be neat, since some extremely good rounds have been made before but fo some reason never got adapted even though they were the best option. So hearing about the successful failures and the failures and the forgotten would be nice.
@darkspire91
@darkspire91 7 лет назад
Jesus, that reverb with each shot. Was he shooting space distortion rounds or something?
@ultramagnus4374
@ultramagnus4374 4 года назад
darkspire91 it’s why I hate indoor ranges
@luisloya1120
@luisloya1120 3 года назад
Yes Jesus is lord and Saviour. Blessed is the Holy name of Jesus.🙏🙏🙏
@pelayo4115
@pelayo4115 5 лет назад
This cetme L 5.56 is used in the Spanish army and it is surprising, it is almost entirely made of a type of plastic that makes it very light, just a couple of kilos. Its power is outstanding with little recoil the maximum effective range I think I remembered that it was about 1000 meters it was said that I could cross 10 bodies with a single shot, I was surprised to hear that by having a weapon that was barely heavy and powerful. It has a ballonet system which is also good for melee, cleaning and maintenance is easy everything is attached with pins and thus disassembled and mounted quickly.
@danjacques1259
@danjacques1259 8 лет назад
"Wiggily Jiggily" Ian always uses the best terminology!
@CutlassOutdoors
@CutlassOutdoors 4 дня назад
Ian: (spends 20 minutes explaining why I should avoid the CETME-L) Me: So.... What you're saying is that I need a CETME-L!
@SeraphinaPZ
@SeraphinaPZ 7 лет назад
I love how it just stands on the mag perfectly.
@hvymtal8566
@hvymtal8566 8 лет назад
looks remarkably similar to a G41, another forgotten weapon you'll hopefully come across at some point :)
@chadbarrett3545
@chadbarrett3545 8 лет назад
So what we have learned is the Spanish have very strong hands.
@elneutrino90
@elneutrino90 8 лет назад
For me the best CETME is the CETME C which has the features of a G3 with the CETME cartridge and a beautiful wooden stock and handguard
@arm3133
@arm3133 5 лет назад
"CETME C which has the features of a G3" WRONG!!! The G3 has the features of a CETME C....Spain sold the patent to HK..... es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G3
@ExtraVictory
@ExtraVictory 4 года назад
Lol but the mauser engineers who started HK originally did the cetme c for Spain. After world war 2 they couldn't do weapons work in germany for 5 years so they went to france and Spain
@larrymccoy5394
@larrymccoy5394 3 года назад
@@ExtraVictory He came with MP44 designs and works with a Spanish team of 43 men during 50s
@ExtraVictory
@ExtraVictory 3 года назад
@@larrymccoy5394 the point is. HK was the one who gets the credit, and rightfully so. Because it was german mauser engineers who eventually started HK who did the cetme for spain. So yeah spain sold the patent to HK. Because the guys who started HK originally did the patent for spain. Because they couldn't do it in Germany yet.
@larrymccoy5394
@larrymccoy5394 3 года назад
@@ExtraVictory In the CETME project were a team of 45 spanish engineers. For the same reason Apolo program was not american was german...
@Dominik189
@Dominik189 6 лет назад
If this rifle was just updated a bit and brought into modern materials I'm convinced it would be the perfect rifle for almost all militaries.
@Zafo24pl
@Zafo24pl 8 лет назад
Wow you scratched up that table really good.
@shizukaryujoukai2465
@shizukaryujoukai2465 6 лет назад
That thing looks really freaking cool
@ainhoasamford8046
@ainhoasamford8046 2 года назад
El mejor fusil de asalto de España ha sido el CETME C y el fusil Mauser alemán y la mejora española del llamado Mauser español el modelo 1893, con el cuál las tropas españolas le causaron muchas bajas al ejército de eeuu, porque usaban Winchester
@Krulucifervonlayfon
@Krulucifervonlayfon 7 лет назад
It's probably just the echo but it sounds so cool in semi-auto
@nosferatu5
@nosferatu5 8 лет назад
It looks so pleasing to hold.
@purplesky4165
@purplesky4165 2 года назад
This rifle and its bayonet look exactly like a classic military thing, not those glamorous toys of today.
@19piolin82
@19piolin82 Год назад
Saca el CETME C, eso si que era una maravilla.
@Jefecino
@Jefecino 6 лет назад
how many times i cleaned that rifle........ with my eyes blinded, disassembly and assembly. Really good times
@djpoliver
@djpoliver 6 лет назад
Soy Español y te puedo decir que los primeros cetmes l eran buenos luego abarataron los costes y los siguientes modelos fallaban mucho sin embargo los mejores cetmes eran los modelos c unos de los mejores mas fiables y precisos fusiles del mundo que luego copiarian los alemanes y compraron la patente convirtiéndolo en el g 3
@evaristolopez6093
@evaristolopez6093 5 лет назад
Ya ves, mi padre en la mili disparo uno de los primeros cetmes y dice que era un gran arma y estoy de acuerdo
@fernandomesagil5577
@fernandomesagil5577 4 года назад
Este arma cetme L lo probe en el año 85/86' La verdad no nos gustaba nada.fallaba mucho y se partian al hacer en cuerpo a tierra por la culata.y fallaba en rafagas . Tambien salio la mg del mismo material de maquelita. La estubimos probando un tiempo y no salieron buenos. Mas tarde me licencie y ya no supe nada de estos fusiles de asalto.para mi el mejor el cetme c . Como fusil espanol de la epoca. Soy paraca del 441 ya a llovido un poco. Pero prefiero el C
@tomasmoya6481
@tomasmoya6481 2 года назад
Yo lo lleve poco meses antes de licenciarme . Y no fallaba era mucho cambio a disparar con el chopo.
@ricardopizarroespana492
@ricardopizarroespana492 Год назад
@@tomasmoya6481 EL CHOPO ERA INFINITAMENTE SUPERIOR AL CETME L.
@decoroto3355
@decoroto3355 Год назад
En el 89 llevé ese CETME. A 50 MTS. Podías fallar. No era nada preciso y con dos ráfagas se encasquillaba
@Hydrora
@Hydrora 8 лет назад
Greetings from Spain!
@AtheistOrphan
@AtheistOrphan 8 лет назад
Hola!
@rickeyryan303
@rickeyryan303 8 лет назад
Hey do you guys have shitty guns laws over there like rest of EU?..
@Hydrora
@Hydrora 8 лет назад
Yeah, they are quite restrictive over here.
@smart00ass00inc
@smart00ass00inc 8 лет назад
+Rickey Ryan uhm mm well you can usually get hunting rifles and shotguns after passing some background checks, and psychological exams as well as firing and handling exams. most of the time rifles are capped at 3 rounds magazine max. Pistol wise only people who have a good reason to own them are allowed (cops, soldiers, high ranking corporate people...) and beyond that there's simply no way you can get stuff like an AR15 and the like
@notpulverman9660
@notpulverman9660 8 лет назад
***** so the regular pablo cant get a real gun unless he breaks the law...
@coitusergosum2447
@coitusergosum2447 8 лет назад
The fact that the gun is standing on its Magazine is really entertaining for me.
@Frankdude72
@Frankdude72 8 лет назад
For some reason in your list of videos it was posted sequentially with some much older videos. Glad I scrolled down to watch though. Very interesting. Always been curious about the L, even after I heard the Spanish Marines were replacing it (it seems temporarily, pre-G36) with the M16 due to reliability issues. You always take things up several notches above what my books can describe. Thanks Ian.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
It's listed there because I filmed and uploaded this a while back, and waited to publish it until now.
@greenwolf8732
@greenwolf8732 5 лет назад
En el servicio militar Español ( año 94) desmontamos y volvíamos a montar el Cetme con los ojos cerrados, literalmente.... Es una gran arma.
@madd2577
@madd2577 5 лет назад
Yo la hice en el 4 del 94, y si lo desmontabamos, es muy fácil. Ojalá vuelva el servicio militar obligatorio
@greenwolf8732
@greenwolf8732 5 лет назад
@@madd2577 2/94 en el Ramix 91
@moobsmcgee3554
@moobsmcgee3554 8 лет назад
I'm on vacation in spain right now and I've seen police with g36c's and umps and the gun you just showed off. And I had never seen or heard one of before, so I had no clue what it was. They had a more modern version and I was losing my mind because it had m4 style grips with an hk style charging handle. I was trying to recognize this gun, this wild green animal. But now I know what this thing is and I can say this is a really neat gun and while I was on the toilet watching this video I had a brilliant idea for a ambidextrous charging handle.
@Aldebaran80
@Aldebaran80 5 лет назад
The best was CETME C named "Chopo"
@theblackcock6607
@theblackcock6607 3 года назад
Please extend our gratitude to Carl for this very deep sacrifice you made for us F
@Spearfisher1970
@Spearfisher1970 8 лет назад
Thanks guys. That is one of the best looking modern(ish) rifles I've ever seen.
@conorjohn490
@conorjohn490 10 месяцев назад
"You have to get just the right wiggly-jiggly to get this out." - Ian McCollum, professional rooty-tooty shooty Youtuby
@Taurevanime
@Taurevanime 8 лет назад
Ian just one thing. It was not something I was aware of either because we all just assumed it. But there is no STANAG for 5.56 magazines. Hence we have all these differing magazines and magwell dimensions in NATO arms for 5.56 weapons. There was a draft for the adoption of a magazine standard, but it was never accepted.I have to thank EmericD from France for bringing this to light to myself and others on Tony Williams' forum.
@scwhk1
@scwhk1 8 лет назад
Many NATO standards exist but that does not prevent countries like US or Germany or any of the more powerful members to do whatever they want and neglect the standard. On the hand the M16 magazine is clearly the default magazine when most company designing firearm even though technically there is no standard.
@Taurevanime
@Taurevanime 8 лет назад
When companies design a firearm they do so based off of requirements. Many firearms available commercially in the US fit the standard US M16 magazines, because those are the most common and not allowing for them, is commercially disadvantageous. Meanwhile something like the G36 had a requirements that precluded the use of standard M16 magazines, so the weapon wasn't designed to fit them. Unless you use a special parts kit.
@scwhk1
@scwhk1 8 лет назад
I am sure they have their reasons when designing the product. The point is that those reasoning is not always sound. The use of proprietary standards is very often is really for the company own commercial benefits. The choice of rock in style magazine clearly is just a carry over from the existing HK style and is more like a preference thing. I do not see a huge problem if they switch to a M16 style mag.The German is doing it only because they are wealthy enough to use their standard.
@johnmosesbrowning1855
@johnmosesbrowning1855 6 лет назад
Brilliant Video as always. As to the forward assist: wehn i had my basic training in the mid 1990s with the HK G3 we were told if the bolt is not fully home to tap the butt on the ground while holding the rifle vertically. Short dry tap and the bolt would be home without much force & noise. Worked well with the G3, no idea if this inertia assist would work on this CETME . Panzergrenadiere: Dran, drauf, drüber. :-)
@thecanucklehead3034
@thecanucklehead3034 4 года назад
For some reason, now, when i look at these guns i just see tacti-cool stg-44s 😆 i never knew they were related, its like learning that two different makes and models of cars are actually the same vehicle with a different badge and interior. Then its like you start seeing them both in one another
@ClickerQuiz
@ClickerQuiz 8 лет назад
Get well soon Ian.
@coitusergosum2447
@coitusergosum2447 8 лет назад
11:02 Brotherhood of Steel insignia
@Croak1
@Croak1 8 лет назад
Ad Victoriam!
@MrGabol100
@MrGabol100 8 лет назад
It's the Santa Barbara old Insignia. It was the main spanish weapons factory. It is composed of a bayonet trough a gear with the Letters on the side inside the gear.
@MrGabol100
@MrGabol100 8 лет назад
Latmover I'd personally preffer to have something with Santa Bárbara Sistema's logo than Brotherhood of Steel, specially a Wooden Cetme C :^)
@keith2860
@keith2860 8 лет назад
wouldnt it make more sense that there would be a brotherhood of steel symbol on a spanish rifle than the symbol of the factory that made it....
@anthonyyomama4937
@anthonyyomama4937 7 лет назад
Coitus Ergo Sum not even close, it looked like a some Isis shit at first glance.
@user-vy6yg7xt9e
@user-vy6yg7xt9e 6 месяцев назад
My local gun store here in Florida had a beautiful one for 16 beans. Thought about it, but ended up passing on it.
@jesusoftheapes
@jesusoftheapes 5 лет назад
It's still the coolest looking battle rifle of any ever made . It's a badass looking rifle !
@lafeelabriel
@lafeelabriel 8 лет назад
Hope your shoulder recovers Ian. Nice video ^^
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 8 лет назад
It has - I filmed this a while back.
@lafeelabriel
@lafeelabriel 8 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons Glad to hear it :)
@likantrophos
@likantrophos 5 лет назад
I used the Cetme-l in my military service,great rifle.
@Lutz101
@Lutz101 4 года назад
*MarColMar CETME L* The issue mags had design issues and were "non-disposable" so were often worn and damaged, thus unreliable. The MarColMar CETME L (an inherently more robust design than the AR as is the G3 from which it is derived) is optimized for superior AR mags and has a Picatinny rail that looks good and makes this rifle competitive with many other 5.56mm service rifles. With decent mags it is essentially a downsized and improved G3 that is over two pounds lighter than the G3 and over half-a-pound lighter than the HK33. They use a cold-hammer-forged and nitrided barrel (1-in-7). marcolmarfirearms.com/
@markhernandez3860
@markhernandez3860 6 лет назад
I operated with this gun it worked well especially in CQB. Lasted longer than an AR 15
@ZhakariasGarcia
@ZhakariasGarcia 8 лет назад
That was my father service weapon for half of his time in the army. They had a joke for it CETME: Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida. They hate it and most of them kept their older rifles as long as they could. He retired before the G36 was adopted.
@barnstormer546
@barnstormer546 8 лет назад
The way you handle and maneuver this rifle makes it seem like it's rather heavy.
@ingloriousbuddah
@ingloriousbuddah 8 лет назад
tell Carl thanks for the sacrifice he made shooting that unique weapon.
@TardyTardigrade
@TardyTardigrade 7 лет назад
I own a CETME in .308 and I have to disagree with you on the issue of it being dirty. As it is a blowback, not gas operated, the internals stay clean compared to an AR or AK. Those rifles have gas spewing all over inside the receiver. But the CETME confines almost all gases within the barrel. After shooting a few hundred rounds the only really dirty parts are the barrel, chamber and bolt, maybe some small spots on the bolt carrier. The trigger group and receiver remain surprisingly clean. In comparison to other gas operated rifles, the CETME/HK are clean enough to eat off of.
@royperkins3851
@royperkins3851 7 лет назад
they should have stayed with the 7.62nato but we all should have adopted 280.british!
@dreamingflurry2729
@dreamingflurry2729 7 лет назад
"...behind the curve..." - Hm, for people from a country that still clings to the M16 (and other Vietnam-Era guns!), in military service, like dirt sticks to well used shoes that's quite the statement! Still, nice video (like binge watching you guys ;) )
@diegomoreno5460
@diegomoreno5460 5 лет назад
The Ejército del Aire (Air Force) does field training (in the NCO academy) with old CETME's C (Chopos) up to this date, the C is used also in parades, more known for it's use by the Legion's drill squad (Los Gastadores de la Legión)
@psychosneighbor1509
@psychosneighbor1509 3 года назад
That's a great looking rifle. I want one!
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