I own one of these and I feel that I can give you some of my insights. In the beginning of my ownership I would agree on some of your points like the power drop in 5th and 6th gear. Also the quickshifter was a little stiff. After going on tour with this bike in torrential rain and crap roads recently, the bike did not miss a beat. She handles great and is comfortable with a better cruise control than my previous KTM SAS. The best feature is that CFmoto seem to be one of the most progressive manufacturers out there. Most flaws in fuelling and the quickshifter have been fixed by using the phone app and downloading the latest software updates, from your home no less. Impressive results and free. In Australia this bike is $10,000 less than a triumph tiger 900 gt pro. That's huge value and saving and as this is number 12 in a fleet in the garage, you can get a great quality bike for a great price and have a true adventure bike to complement my Italian and Japanese bikes sports and nakeds. Good honest review but I think living with this bike will change a number of people's view on this particular brand. I would give mine 8 out of 10. It has better wind protection and standard features that actually work better than the KTM1290 I sold.No bike is perfect but the 800mt touring is an example of how over inflated, the prices of new bikes from the big 4 and euro models are. Thanks, keep up your good work mate.
That is great feedback, much appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to leave all your comments. The main problem here in Europe is the price - almost exactly the same as the Triumph Tiger. It makes much more sense at Australian prices. Ride safe :)
I've been reading the comments and everyone is saying it's too expensive. Ok, so let's check the stock equipment for the touring version. Tubeless spoked wheels (Vuelta Akron with pressure and temperature sensors), J.Juan brakes (Brembo) with Continental cornering ABS, Bosch injection with 2 maps (Rain + Sport), Steering dampener, Kyb fully tunable suspension, auxiliary lights, rear rack for luggage, engine guards, aluminum engine bash plate, 12V socket, 2XUSB fast charging ports, Big TFT screen, heated grips, heated driver seat, bidirectional quick shift, full led lights, cruise control and it comes with Maxxis tires and a KTM engine (790 with improvments on the balancing shaft). The plastics, buttons and seats have top quality. Has 4 channel bluetooth to manage your devices and it even has an app to make the ECU updates yourself, use your phone to make calls or navigation. Feels very stable on the road, has plenty of grunt and it's really good to drive.... and you say it should be cheaper....
From an owner of one of these for 6 months and 7000 km in Australia. Purchase price here is more like 50% of its Japanese and European competitors. I love it and accept that I am saving more than $10k by "putting up" with a detail like an indicator switch that isn't clicky enough. Fueling is fine now updated by cfmoto app, engine feels strong and no holes. Great fast tourer. Cruise control works well. Fine to ride on gravel. Early days, but prices seem to be holding up well. Remember, many of us are not in the market for a aud$30k bmw. Fuel consumption... I measure every tankful the top up way and it ranges from 4.4 to 5.0 ltres/100 km. Bit of every sort of riding, but not too much city or long motorway trips.
I was quite excited when this bike was announced and was expecting it to be around the £8k to 8.5k mark and was surprised that it started at over £10k in the UK. Then I had the same thoughts as you because the price wasn't much different than a more established brands. Plus when you are talking about buying a bike at over £11k which tends to be slightly older people with surplus cash then a £500 to £2000 difference becomes a little less of an issue if it's the product that they really want. Then spot on with the residue when you come to part with it. The Chinese are most definitely nearly there with the bigger bikes now and are getting good reviews.
I was so sure the price difference was huge that I was ready to blame you for being spoiled driving expensive bikes... But thanks to your price chart, you corrected my assumptions and I can only agree with your conclusion. Well done, thanks!
I think you nailed it on the head. Too expensive for what it is. And if I'm shopping for a reliable bike, the combination of Chinese made + KTM engine isn't exactly what I'd be looking for.
@@marcusgeorge1825 I bought a Ducati Monster 1100 a few years ago. Dealership was amazing, they replaced panels with paint issues, complete front brakes, fork seal, rear brake reservoir, investigated traction control problem and I'm probably forgetting other stuff...all in under 6 months and 6000km, great service, but haven't bought another Ducati since. Would you rather have a 3 year warranty (and read what it covers and the limitations) and use it, or buy a Japanese bike with a 1 year warranty, but not need it? These are built in China, and use a KTM engines...neither have the best of reputation in terms of reliability. I think with time CF Moto will catch up, and they have some very interesting designs coming out, but dealership network is limited, resale value (not to mention difiiculty to sell) will definitely not be on par with the big brands. I would personally go with a used Triumph or Japanese bike over a new CFMoto (add to that, new models generally need a year to smooth out the bugs).
I've seen other "reviews" by car magazines...none of them have gone into the small details you so intuitively mentioned, nor did any of them approach the bike from a truly personal point of view. Good job.
Absolutely. Factor in price depreciation and within 2 years, the bike has lost half its value. I would buy one secondhand, as you can get a bargain on these. One man's loss is another man's gain.
This is quite a new bike/enterprise from cfmoto with the ktm involvement. Do we have enough data to say what the depreciation will be ? Knowing something about cfmoto scooters of a few years ago, or any non ktm engined cfmoto...imo doesn't tell you much about this very different bike from them.
@@kenmcphail6300 Correct, it is speculation. From my personal view, I am seeing it through the looking glass of a good riding buddy of mine, who had 650MT and bought the Aprilia Touareg now. He bought it in mid 2021 and tried to sell it around may/june 2022, just before the summer. New price in Belgium was (then) 7.200 including dealer fees. He couldn't shift it for 6000 on the secondhand market, as people didn't want to give more than 4500/5000. At the end , through an Aprilia/motoguzzi dealer, he got 5200 doing a trade. To be honest, I like CFmoto. I think their motorcycles are good value, comparing to the likes of Honda. But I don't think the resale value will heighten even if people know KTM is involved. After all, a badge is a badge. A peugeot car with a BMW motor is still a peugeot. People who buy these don't care. ( in my view)
@@henrietn agree about it being speculation. 650mt is a very different bike from the 800mt. And reselling after/within a year has wide variations but biggish drops on most bikes. To play devils advocate... is a badge a bage? Kia and Hyundai have very different market valuations now. Bmw and Mercedes cars imo are not as outstanding as in years past. Old Triumph, 'new'Triumph ? If my 800mt depreciates at twice the rate of a bmw I won't have lost out, and would have got all the bells and whistles included as standard. Time will tell. I just put forward some potential positives versus many peoples/non owners 'expertise' about cfmoto.
I own one of these in Australia and the purchase price was some $10K cheaper than a Triumph 900 rally pro for example. Your "subjective issues" relate to 1 - your personal position (for me the bars and ergonomics etc are perfect) and 2 you compare "fit and feel" of bikes that are a LOT more expensive. The ECU update took care of any fuelling issues and I can say I am VERY happy with my purchase.
@@RocketMan_Moto I am not sure what currency you are working in on your comparison chart but $14490.00 was what I paid in Australian dollars drive away. That included 12 months rego and all on road costs and duties. I also looked at a Triumph 900 Rally Pro and it was AUD$24990.00 + on road costs. The BMW 800 GSA was even more expensive......So value for money it is outstanding and just as a long distance tourer capable of dirt road riding as well for me it has been a winner............and I came off a Ducati Multistrada and my other bike is BMW R1200RS.
I am sorry sir, but I bought the 800MT Touring with all the panniers for 11.000 Euros and I know that there are many more owners in Italy especially, that got it for just a little bit more than that. For the Tiger 900 the discount is much lower, and the average difference with the same configuration, is street price well above 4000 4500 Euros, especially if you consider all the options you need to add to the Triumph... so yes, you are right, you loose more in 3 years, but the difference is still there and you got a lot less economic exposure and A LOT of savings in maintenance costs. About the motor, I can ensure that this bike HAVE TO be tested with more than 6000 Km and the new EFI mapping (that fixes the issue you noticed), because it needs at least that Kms to express its best. Really, it's an incredible change, I can ensure that after 5000 Km it's a completely different beast. Then, it's a matter of feeling with the bike, sometimes you have it sometimes you haven't. I felt in love and I am extremely happy with this bike. At 9000 Km, no issues whatsoever and a lot of fun on the road. That is what matters the most ;) Have fun, ride safe!
@@RocketMan_Moto one more thing, I don't mean the 800MT is better than the Tiger 900, absolutely not, it isn't and it couldn't be, but imho it's by far the best bike you can buy with that money, for sure new, but also considering many used bikes. BTW it comes with a 5 years warranty (if maintenance is done at CF Moto resellers) that's something also to consider when reselling after 3 years ;) Thank you for the honest review, I appreciated :)
Yes, valid point... or points. We have had this model in Australia for a while now and I keep going back to it in a comparison weigh-up. The value for money is almost unbeatable. What we can't do, is make the same evaluation by price point. It may be due to our location near the Asia-Pacific, but we often get some brands at a lower cost compared to the likes of Triumph or Harley. That is to say, we can't do the same 'apples for apples' comparison as you do. Anyway, resale value - agreed there will be less on offer from a three year old CF-MOTO than a KTM, but our second-hand market is quite strong. Unless you are trying to sell an oddball brand or something with a shady reputation, you'll get a good chunk of your money back if you have looked after it and present it well. The only 'concerning' factor with buying a non-traditional brand, is future support. Will I be able to get that weirdly shaped radiator hose or a new TFT screen if the one I have fails in three years? CF-MOTO have been around for a while now and have a working relationship with KTM. That hopefully, should see them on the right path to be around for some time to come. Their bikes just need to be a bit lighter.
I just purchased the 2023 cf moto ibex 800s so far I'm impressed with it. It's comfortable I'm 6'1" the wind screen is a little short. I put a 4"wind deflector on it no buffeting at all also helped with the wind on my shoulders too. The noise of the motor at idle is a little loud rattling?? The price was what I was looking for and what you get for the money it's pretty nice. You can't find any used 900 tigers or bmw's, Africa twins for this price with all these tech features on it. I hope it last for a long time! we shall see?? I would recommend this motorcycle especially for the price point and what you get for the money. So far a happy customer.
Thanks for this. I'm keeping an eye on Chinese brands for obvious reasons, so it was good to hear at what level their "top of the line" bikes currently are. As you correctly state, at this price point they really need to match ( and I would say even beat, to overcome consumers' brand anxiety ) the direct competition. There is no way they can be inferior unless they come in significantly cheaper. But again, as you correctly identified, cheap to buy is one thing but if the depreciation is higher than other more established brands, the cheap bike could end up being more expensive in the longer term. The only situation in which this would be irrelevant, would be if you were buying the bike to keep it forever, in which case, residual value would not be much of a factor. I really can't argue with your conclusion that it's either not good enough or too expensive for what it delivers. Excellent work again RM ! Cheers, ER
I Agree They are not there yet. In countries with higher import duties those margins are sometimes double or even quadruple… In Israel 🇮🇱 the price difference on the road between the 900GT and the fully specked MT(with the boxes) is 10,000 Euros For that kind of a difference it’s becoming much harder to choose. I would probably convince myself that the Alu boxes are not needed and so is the MT cruise control and just pick the Tiger 850 which is only 2,500 Euros more. Thanks for those excellent Short reviews 👍👍
When I was looking to upgrade my bike 3 years ago I considered the Benelli TRK501 against the Learner approved version of the Suzuki Vstrom. I had the same concern, not about the smaller engine or the ergonomics, but about the resale value. In the end I held off buying until I had achieved my full licence, and purchased the Vstrom 650xt.
Ah, looks like another review done based on a quick glance... Not that im defending or prasing CF Moto, but most of your points can go to trash as soon as its made clear that 1 CF Moto has been arround for ages, 2 Their prices hold up insanely well as shown by their 650 range and the abundance of quads they built in the last 20/25 years, 3 They are one of the leading sellers in most countries that arent central EU or USA, 4 these are the same people who built engines for KTM and have a good supply chain trough the masses of CF moto delaers and for parts that can be picked up from most KTM/Husqy/GasGas dealership. What struck me a bit sideways is how high their prices are on the used market. Lets say Versys 650 vs mt650 adventura (same engine just different brands), usually CF holds their prices arround 7% higher, and a lot of that has to do what all you get in the base packages, or even if you upgrade for cases and such, how cheap those are. Also my trip to Nordkapp this summer i was blown away with the ammount of the 800mt's and the 650 lineup on the roads all the way from Slovenia (where im from) all the way trough austria, germany and pretty much up to the nordic countries where Japanese still rain supreme.
@@RocketMan_Moto oh no, dont get me wrong, im not "flaiming" you or anything, saying you did a bad review, im just shareing my knowledge in hopes correct information goes to the people interested.
Hi, I’d have to agree on JB’s comments here - this review is seemingly only ‘skin deep’’. Moreover, it’s disappointing to have a review such as this with an overall theme of negativity and totally incomparable metrics with premium established brands like BMW and ‘Audi’. As a motorbike enthusiast such as yourself albeit, a new one of 2 years, my fellow riding compatriots here in Australia and I, have been compelled to chat about your review over a few ales during this festive season. I generally enjoy your reviews but, on this occasion, you’ve not only missed the mark - this review lacks credibility. In Australia, to date as we’ve seen here for the past 12 months, the CFMoto MT800 is the 3rd most sold bike! We have a vast country and an unbelievable off-road terrain that’s both exciting and scary. That said, a few very credible Vloggers have put this bike to the test under some unforgiving terrain and, the MT800 has come out and exceeded expectations. Your review has fallen very short in so many aspects. I’m hopeful that you will produce more compelling reviews in the future.
Not everyone can afford an expensive BMW, KTM or Triumph. Sure the resale value is less on the CFMoto but if you can't afford the expensive bike the CFMoto is an option. The great thing is the choice that exists for new riders/older riders. Remember when Japanese bikes first came to market? They weren't great but look at them now. Perhaps China will quickly produce some improved models in the not too distance future. The MT800 is good for a first Adventure bike and it will get better each year.
Crazy retail price in the UK. In Australia the GT Pro 900 is $24250 Rideaway (inc. all charges), the CFMoto 800MT Touring is $14490 Rideaway (inc. all charges but minus luggage). So 13612.29 pounds for the Triumph and 8133.69 pounds for CFMoto. that's 5478.60 pounds sterling saving. Now that's more interesting when making the decision.
Having the same issue for next year deal, tried the Tiger 850 and I liked, also considering the V-Strom 1050 (2023) and of course waiting for the Transalp.
Great review as lam looking for a new bike the cf moto in Australia is $10.000 difference between the tiger 900 gt pro also it use the old Ktm 790 engine .
I live in Wyoming and we have a CFMoto dealer. Surprise, Surprise. We don’t have a Triumph, or BMW, dealer. The nearest ones are at least an 8 hour drive away in Colorado or Montana. I would prefer a BMW or Triumph, but it’s a PITA to haul a poor running bike to a dealer in another state for warranty work. So we do have a Honda dealer, but they seem to have trouble stocking motorcycles. I guess they are in containers on the docks in California. I would love to buy a Transalp but who knows when one might be for sale at our dealer. So, the CF Moto dealer put me on his list and will contact me when the 800 Adventura (name change for the US) arrives. If it fits my 6 foot 2 inch 70 year old frame, I might buy one. My goal is to downsize from my 20 year old 850 pound Harley to something lighter, but still capable of carrying the wife and our gear on trips. And to buy from a local dealer who can service it if necessary. Although I’ve done my own work on my bikes for 50+ years, so it may not be necessary. It’s starts snowing here on Thursday so I’m winterizing my bikes until March when we have non icy roads again. So we shall see. However if I was younger, I would be considering residuals. This will be my last bike, which my adult son will inherit so he can worry about that. Nice review.😎
Thanks for your feedback, Bill. I get that in your case the argument for this bike is more compelling. I certainly wouldn't want an 8-hour drive to my dealer.
Im not sure about service and maintenance parts availability in Europe. And how easy is to get mechanical support if you travel to different countries? Having so comparable prices to top brands I would't waste time to consider purchase. The era of cheap workforce cost and quality relevant products is over. Nice review.
Thanks, Tom. This was one of my considerations: I'm thinking of doing a tour of Europe next year and don't fancy hearing that CF Moto doesn't have a dealer network in, say, Romania if I have a breakdown.
@@RocketMan_Moto if you want to spend 6-10 hours dailly on the bike for several days, the reliable machine with many available accessories is a key. The more accessories from different manufacturers, the more likely you may have individual customization of the bike, just as you prefer to ride and prefer to use.
Beautifully put as always. That's my main issue with these Chinese brands, their depreciation is so much higher than other premium brands, you might as well pay the extra cash to ride a premium bike. I think these bikes need to be considerably cheaper in order to be competitive.
Are all Chinese brands and all models the same regarding quality and technology ? Do you factor in the interest on loans many people require on their 'premium' brands? In Australian market an 800mt could depreciate twice as fast as a bmw and after any extra interest payments you would be ahead. But yes ... looks like European pricing could be a bit better. Nb panniers and top box included in uk.
Classic brand Adv. Bike in that range price is about 17-18k to the 800MT Touring 11.500 where I can buy it right now. After 10y and 100.000+ km I might sell it for 3-4k maybe 2.5k. That's 9K loss. How much do you get for a classic brand bike after 10y 100k+ km? Around 8.5k to 9.5k ish. also a 9K loss.
I could not get past the low end fuelling, it really was poor. I’d hoped manufacturers had moved past this characteristic. Another great review, thanks for all your efforts.
I'm stumped. Here in the U.S. these bikes are way cheaper than the competition's roughly equivalent bikes. I've seen a lot of video reviews of this now, and they are quick, but I've started to doubt the 95hp claim. Admittedly they aren't slow, however I'd like to see what they actually put out at the rear wheel. None of the other reviews has said anything bad about the controls. One reviewer pointed out that the controls are old style BMW controls, that CF Moto actually made the controls for other brands like BMW and was using slightly older designs.
The price difference with Italy, where I live in, is absurd. We can get the Sport trim for less then 9.000€, whereas in the portuguese CF website I doublechecked the bike starts from 12.000€ I totally totally agree with your conclusion if you mind PT prices, whilst I think it becomes an absolute bargain with IT prices, don't you think?
I was screaming "residuals" at the screen then you mentioned it ! So many reviewers just ignore the elephant in the room with many Chinese products, but with bikes it's a critical factor. I would say anyone who buys one of these does so out of pure ignorance, at the price they are asking it makes ZERO sense.
Pricing is very different in Europe, in Australia the touring was $13990 aud on the road, so about 7900uk, about half the price of the competition here
I would wait for the Honda TransAlp…. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s even cheaper still than the CF Moto…. Reliable, hold its value much better. CB500x in the uk now are really holding their values!
@@RocketMan_Moto I don't believe that is the case. CF Moto is very new to the UK market and they currently have very few dealers. £9250 is the UK RRP for this model so I'm sure there's a discount to be had off this RRP. I have no doubt that CF Moto are buying themselves into the market place at this price point and I expect quite a few KTM dealers will be selling CF Moto products due to the KTM connection.
Seems a similar deal like with Benelli and that other Chinese motorcycle manufacturer. I had one for one year. It was also not...quite there yet. Particularly in regards of reliability, which is the worst aspect for me a bike can fail.
@@RocketMan_Moto Indeed. Happily back on Yamaha. Feels much better overall. As reliable as I remember. You can tinker a lot with a bike, but if you always ride expecting to have some kind of issue (of which the unreliable screen was the smallest problem), it sucks all the fun out of it. One time the rear brake was blocked. Luckily, I rode with my husband that day, and he sorted it out. But alone? Oh dear...Consequently I never went alone with this 2020 Benelli.
Great revise as usual. Im thinking of getting a 750g, but still nota sure. This MT was One of the candidates to the BMW, but with that price tag and all that was Said, theres no sense or Logic of getting this bike. Only if you fell for the design or something. Even the 850gs or the trace 9 are better options for the price.
I really like their clx sport naked, it would be nice to hear you review it , I saw he got some praise, and have some good equipment for the price compered to competition
@@RocketMan_Moto Ye I agree for the 800mt, but clx sport I think its nice priced (7k) for equipment (dual front brembos for example), thats why I would like to hear your opinion on that bike exactly.
The absence of a big gap in pricing to the established brands is appalling. This gap (or rather the absence of it) could be a result of harsh homologation/taxation rules from EU/Portuguese government and established brands may have already had time to tackle such rules (this is the only theory that makes sense to me). The main reason I would consider one of these is a considerable lower price, so it is definitely a no go to... Good review by the way Cheers
@@RocketMan_Moto exactly. I have some reservations regarding protectionism applied in capitalist markets, but given this product comes from somewhere human rights aren't much of a thing I can shrug it off.
I'm in the process of getting the 800MT over here in Malaysia, the Tiger900 Rally was the initial choice for me until I stumbled upon the 800MT. I guess the price is hugely affected mainly from transportation. As over here, the MT costs about 10.2k Eur where the Tiger costs about 17.4k Eur, both drive away price. Just would like to get your opinion on this, do you think it'll be an option to consider the 800MT with the price difference here?
Good overview. I don't like the look of it, but it's an adv bike. I think you'd soon work out where the switches are but I get your point re the screen etc. I'd certainly have a Tiger 850 Sport out of these. But I wouldn't buy an adv bike, anymore. Your point about residuals is the most telling.
This should be much cheaper than what CFMoto are asking for. This is a little under than what Triumph are asking for the Tiger 900GT here in the UK. Yeah this has a few more bells and whistles, but this is still a Chinese bike with Chinese depreciation. CFMoto even make the engines for the KTM 790 & 890 bikes, so it's not as if they're paying KTM for the engine!
Here in Australia teh CF Moto is teh exact same price and the VSTROM.. id that the VSTROM any day due to the residual and perceived long term reliability
RocketMan I would never buy an oddball brand because first thing I worry about is parts and service and will this company be around in a couple of years. Ride Safe big guy.
This is my concern. If I ever make it to Albania (for example), I want to be sure that spares will be readily available. Honda, no problem, but CF Moto..?
I am from albania i confirm we have cfmoto dealers and parts available and on top of that i approve this message .😅 ps wherever there is quads i would say cfmoto is the king so there will be service available for quads ( bikes too)
Interesting. In Australia the CFMoto starts at about the equivalent of £3,500 cheaper than the cheapest new Tiger 850, and the most expensive CFMoto is still £5,000+ cheaper than the cheapest Tiger 900! You guys clearly pay a lot more than we do…
Great insightful review as always, thanks, and, a timely reminder to factor in depreciation. I have to say it's a decent looking bike, but it has nothing to tempt me away from my impending CB500x order.
Depreciation is unknown for this bike. I also have a 2019 cb500x and it is a nice bike and good for commuting and half day rides. The 800mt beats it in about 10 areas for touring and long rides. One of each of these 2 bikes is a good all round solution imo.
@@RocketMan_Moto sort of ! In aud in Australia new prices are around $11000 for cb500x and $14500 for 800mt ($13000 for alloy wheeled version). However 800mt has so many accessories included Eg crash bars, fog lights, pannier bars, metal bash plate, heated seat, heated grips, cruise control, 'bark busters', centre stand, tyre pressure sensors, quickshifter... and of course higher spec wheels, suspension, large coloured and optioned dash, phone tracker etc etc. I feel sorry for those cfmoto engineers when no matter what they do people comment that it'll be just like some old/previous cfmoto bike.
I was quite looking forward to seeing this bike launch in the UK, however I think the price tag considering the competition it is going to lose alot of sales. Maybe get a bargain on the second hand market but definitely not new.
Used 2018 Benelli Trk 502 you can buy in Poland for around 4000 euros. My old 2003 Honda Transalp 650 is around 3000 euros. Just as an example how much used chinese bikes prices are dropping down compare to japanise manufactures.
I find them too heavy, HP to weight is not what I want. The same with RE models. When you buy a plus 10.000€ or $ or £ bike that is not for one year, so the loss will be less after three or four years. Price of maintenance and insurrance will be different as well. (spelling)
It's the age old whole life cost story, which never goes away & is especially relevant if you buy a bike on a PCP deal. Plus, some riders may have political & moral issues with buying big ticket Chinese products & choose to spend their money elsewhere.
Thanks, my first experience at the dealer is that the shifting is not smooth like a yamaha...feels very chineesish made, lots of backfiring too...did not like it ..
Even if the product was comparable, there is no USP. The Japanese sold their bikes on HP. And they were cheaper, too. So with HP you could walk into a showroom, sign on the dotted line and walk out with your choice, or superbly engineered bike, without going cap in hand to your bank manager. So, inferior products, no real saving, especially long term, and no USP? No thank you. Safe, happy travels 👍
I was itching most of the way through the video, to comment "well what do you expect at the price".... Then you showed the price.... Oh dear!!. What was the illegal move by the way at roundabout???
You can't drive past an exit on a roundabout here, if that makes sense. If you're taking the second exit, you should be in the left-hand lane on the approach. The thousands of foreign tourists that come here every year don't know this, of course, and there are always accidents.
@@RocketMan_Moto That's how I was taught in the early 90's in France, but now this has changed (confirmed by a driving school instructor) and I hate it...
@@RocketMan_Moto ooh thank you I love it...(just googled) I've driven many European rds but not Portugal. As a driving instructor that's really interesting 👍
In the US the touring model comes in at 10500. Compared to the 850 sport that’s only 1500. But the MT comes with heated grips, heated seat(s), cruise control, lean angle sensitive abs and up and down quick shifter. Can’t get cruise control on the 850 and all the other stuff is a cost so a pretty good deal. It’s and even better deal compared to the 900 get pro
This is the type of bike you get when you don't want to spend a lot of money. I'd just ride it till the wheels fall off. It's much cheaper to maintain and I haven't seen anything negative about the reliability either. So the chinese probably worked the kinks out of that engine
@@RocketMan_Moto true. Here in the Philippines it's way cheaper to maintain than a ktm 790 adventure. Just paying for the name. The chinese have come a long way in terms of building quality motorcycles. I'll wait a few years to see how it comes along. Thanks for the speedy reply. 🙏
I think if you are in Asia or Australia, Chinese bikes make more sense, because they are more competitively priced. Here in Europe taxes mean that they end up costing as much as more established 'home' brands.
No one seems to know how to use roundabouts in Portugal. Wrong lane, no indicators, or that useless very last minute indicator once their car is already half into the exit….
@@RocketMan_Moto good on you. been back in Portugal for 5 years, still drives me mad…. second only to the constant mobile phone usage, but that’s across the globe these days…
@@davecaldasrocha Going on the footage, Portugal is much better/safer to drive in than the Philippines. Almost no rules - none on roundabouts, which end up gridlocked - and brain-dead drivers. It's complete chaos, which is why they kill 36/day on the roads here, despite 25kph being fast and 60kph being land speed record territory. Serious injuries are calculated at a ratio of 15:1, meaning that c.540/day are seriously injured. With some 9.2M registered vehicles as at 2016 and two and three-wheeled vehicles comprising 58% of the total, motorcycle casualties numbers are staggering. That said, I still get around on my little Chinese-made Skygo Earl 150 Classic; it's made by Lifan, but assembled in Cebu, Philippines. Given that it cost me 45K Peso - say AUD$1,200/EURO and USD$770 - brand new, depreciation's not an issue for this 76yo!
Portuguese roads are generally safe places to be. Drivers are much less aggressive than, for example, the French or the British, but they can be a bit 'distracted' at times, just like this woman in the Qashqai who was in the wrong lane for going straight ahead.
Sorry, but I wouldn't touch one of these with a barge pole. It's hard enough getting a quality, well thought out and reliable bike with the usual main brand suspects. Never ridden a Tiger 900 GT Pro but I should imagine it's miles ahead of this. I would definitely pay the extra for the Triumph, Yamaha Tracer 9 GT Pro or Honda Africa Twin.
I am told repeatedly by my father that Japanese products of today are of superb quality, but during my grand dad's time, Japanese quality was comparable to Chinese quality of 2030. Meaning.. It was bad. Not as bad as Chinese quality 2022 But bad enough. And I suspect that by 2060, China could make great products which mite rival Japan. However as of today.... Buying C F moto would be worse than buying Enfield Ktm
Rolls Royce Aero Engines in Derby have manufacturing facilities in China making sub assemblies and parts for their engines. You cannot find a higher standard of engineering than that in a big gas turbine state of the art aero engine.
Interesting comment, I was told by many older bikers in the 70s, that my Japanese bikes were of inferior quality, that was ofcourse counterbalanced by thier proven reliability (providing you didn't mercilessly thrash the 2 strokes). However on reflection I believe the japance bikes of the 60s and 70s, had quality every bit as good as the competition. Unfortunately for the up and coming Chinese bikes, the general quality of most mainstream manufacturers now is set at a very high standard, which highlights even more the newcomers lack of quality,which is OK, if the price reflects it, sadly on this occasion.. It dosn't.
its nicely finished , but thats about it ;;; dubious power at the revs you need , screen is a noise making joke , and the bars look terrifyingly narrow in your video ,...
Every Chinese tool I've ever used broke the first time I used it. Pliers, screwdriver tips, and torque wrench. The Chinese tools "look" the same as quality tools, but they aren't of quality. Metal quality from China is like tin foil and pot metal. I would never buy a Chinese made bike, nor a Korean one if they made one Not only for that, but my dollar votes would be contributing to bolster a country that I'm not keen on supporting. The best products from Asia are coming out of Japan and Taiwan.
BMW f 750,850 Gs are made in China too. So what. Triumph factory is next to Bangkok. I phones are from China too. Only time will tell. I would not be put away from origin country
My biggest issue is they come from the CCP and supporting CF Moto at least indirectly supports the Chinese government. These are not nice people. There are better but maybe a little more expensive choices out there.
I love it, where else could i get all these options on a bike for that price... thing that sold me is that there are alot of kTm parts on this bike. 1 being the proven 799 twin from the adventurer range at ktm. the comfort seat seat is a must... great bike. only thing that feels abit dicky to me is the quick shifter. but i dont use it anyway..things dont feel right you say, the bars need to be abit wider, power not quit there etc. well for the 16k saving over an ugly as hell bmw. i will take this any day.. & those fixes are an easy fix if you have the nohow..
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