CFMoto 450MT / IBEX 450: Best Release of 2024?

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The CFMOTO 450MT (IBEX 450 in the USA) was definitely the biggest surprise of 2024 for me. The bike feels very well made and quality of componentry, screen, plastics etc feel comparable to the much more expensive competition on the market.
Even details like on the fly adjustable windscreen feel like the icing on the affordable cake from the brand. Best in class wind protection makes me think why don't every bike have an adjustable windscreen if the most affordable option can do it so well?
I was overall very impressed with this bike. So much so that I'm thinking I should buy it just to have a spare adventurebike for friends to take trips with me :-) Under 10K€ even here in Finland is absolutely CRAZY value for what you are getting.
Bike is missing some of the high end equpment like cruise control and due to the cable throttle there is no third party options. Personally I prefer a cable throttle and cruise even though nice to have is a bit much to ask on this pricepoint.
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@PatchedBandit 17 дней назад

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@Sargnort 22 дня назад

They are all selling fast across the globe. Loving mine!!!

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

I heard reservations are 3x exceeding the production at least in the beginning.

@RichardS-qh8mi 22 дня назад

This is the bike that is going to change the perception of Chinese motorcycles forever.

@warrenr4 22 дня назад

I doubt it. The subframe already has a problem. It fills up with water. Owners long term reviews will be interesting.

@RichardS-qh8mi 22 дня назад

@@warrenr4 New models always have the odd snag - I’ll block up the holes on my subframe and suspect the Chinese are already looking at a fix.

@charliequach6399 22 дня назад

Wait till you try the Kove 800X. Same weight as this bike but at 95hp. I'm waiting for it to be released in Australia.

@normananderson2583 22 дня назад

@@charliequach6399 It does sound amazing but will come at a high price of entry...and not many mere mortals have the ridiing skills to take advantage of all that power and light weight...

@charliequach6399 22 дня назад

@@normananderson2583 It's the middle weight unicorn we are all waiting for. If it delivers what it promises. So you can have 1 bike instead of 2 or more.

@theurbanway10 20 дней назад

CFmoto is here to stay I think. Good review

@RainnMakerr 21 день назад

Everyone says Chinese made Chinese made while holding a Chinese assembled iPhone. Apple CEO Tim Cook said that the reason they build iPhones in China is not just for some cost savings but for the amount of advanced and precision tooling skills Apple is able to find in China. 70 to 80% of our products in our homes are probably from China. This bike will make a big statement in the motorcycle industry

@christopherpekel6096 21 день назад

Its funny how many people who probably dont even own a passport think that china is a backwards country They have overtaken the west in some respects

@PatchedBandit 21 день назад

They need to prove longevity and customer support. A big deal when building a reputable brand and I do hope they can do it.

@simonjones2645 18 дней назад

Every major bike brand builds in China/Asia now , it shouldn't be an issue really ...

@warrenr4 22 дня назад

Fabulous Finland ! My favourite place in the summertime. I’ll reserve judgement on the MT for a couple of years till I’ve seen owners reviews with 30k kms on the clock. Great review 🙏🏻 🙂✌🏻🇬🇧

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

That's smart 😁

@miguelprando_959 День назад

Congratulations for the test. For me you managed to convey all the sensations that the bike gave you in a truly excellent way. Greetings from Italy. Ciao

@PatchedBandit День назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@nevillegreg1 20 часов назад

15T front sprocket makes it much more comfortable from a revving perspective at highway speeds and while you do feel a little power/torque loss, it's so very negligible. I agree with all your comments about this bike.

@MotoFurka 22 дня назад

Hi! A few days ago, I bought a Honda CRF300Rally for some light off-roading. The CFMoto 450MT was also on the list, but I decided on the Honda because of its weight and reliability. It just seems to fit in better with my Tuareg.

@monsterboomer8051 22 дня назад

best combo

@walterhaumaier9137 21 день назад

I love my rally as long as you don’t expect it to have gobs of power it is really fun

@Al.j.Vasquez 21 день назад

If this bike stayed the same but it was sold under the Husqvarna brand, journalists would be calling it the best bike of the year already.

@PatchedBandit 21 день назад

Same could be said with the Kove 450. But I think this is the way it should be. Every brand needs to show longevity of tech, customer support and parts availability to show everyone that they are here to stay and not just grab a buck off the hot market segment. This takes years.

@Al.j.Vasquez 21 день назад

@@PatchedBandit I agree with that, they deserve the chance to be judged independently, not just thrown under the "Chinese crap" bin just becase.

@appslagu4704 19 дней назад

people still judging china build all crap stuff?.. in this modern and technological era?

@markcousens8504 21 день назад

Hello from New Zealand, I picked up my new MT 450 2 weeks ago and it’s living up to expectations, I’ve gone with the 15 tooth front sprocket and taller seat ( I’m 191cm) and soft luggage T7 LIGHT would describe it best . In NZ it’s exactly 1/2 the price of a new T7

@PatchedBandit 21 день назад

1/2 price for 4/5'th the bike 😁 Price is insanely good!

@leca66 21 день назад

Great bike. I was also struggling between Tuareg 660 and CRF300L (as we spoke here, when you were on your way to TTM Factory for Tuareg forks tuning), Kove 450 (also Kove 800x) first two I tried before I got on opportunity to ride CFMoto. Just under two months ago I'd bought my 450mt. Now "all" the nearby gravel roads have been ridden. 2300 exiting km with the new one behind.

@PatchedBandit 21 день назад

450MT is not any easier to ride offroad than Tuareg. Even though I didn't say this in the video at least in my opinion people seem to take it that MT450 is somehow comparable to enduro and dualsport bikes which it definitely is not. I just don't want anyone to think that swapping from a Tuareg to MT450 is going to make offroading drastically better 😁 It might be 2% easier to handle with the 9kg less weight but they are both still heavy twin cyl adventurebikes. CRF300L and KOVE 450 will always be drastically easier to do proper offroad stuff 😄

@normananderson2583 22 дня назад

I wait somewhat impatiently for my Oregon, USA dealer to receive their first Ibex 450's. I am already collecting my necessary add-ons for a bike I have never seen....I am 185 cm's so ordered the tall seat (2"" taller) and a taller windscreen by about 4 inches...brilliant and very informative review...I have unloaded 3 bikes, some bigger, some smaller and this is going to be it.

@sadnessinside123 22 дня назад

Exciting. I'm waiting on them to arrive in NA as well.

@stephanematis 22 дня назад

Looking forward to this bike's launch in Canada as a 2025. It is so popular everywhere, that I wonder if they'll get enough :P

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

Heard from a credible source that the demand far exceeds the initial production numbers at the moment. My guess is that this bike is going to be hard to get for a while.

@normananderson2583 22 дня назад

@@PatchedBandit None of their motorcycles to date have received anywhere near the interest that the 450MT has achieved. I would agree they will be in short supply for awhile. Suppliers will have to catch up...I am concerned about dealer markups....

@enduromotorradtouren 21 день назад

Technical data not too different from a 40 year old Transalp 600 ;-) But real life is your sensations in the saddle. The CF Moto 450 MT will be a success, because it's priced sensibly and it has a low seat. The only (!) adv bike perfect for small-medium sized riders. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg

@PatchedBandit 21 день назад

Very true! Quick Rides is all about the sensations while riding. I was VERY sceptical about this one but it’s a winner for sure if the reliability is descent and the brand can stand behind its products 😊

@keepitreal1547 Час назад

Fantastic review of this bike, new subscriber 👍

@keepitreal1547 Час назад

Excellent English spoken, especially when it's not your first language 👏

@aldearadu5219 22 дня назад

well... you can t beat that price ... its 6000 euros here. it s a lot of bike for that money

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

It's an incredible value. I didn't see or feel any 'cost cutting' on the bike either. Crazy really.

@AccidentalEnduro 22 дня назад

That’s it! When even my most trusted RU-vidr (that being you) praises and describes this bike like you just did… well, I believe I’m gonna have to get me one of these. After my parental leave. Right now money is down on zero 😅 Thank you patched for all the great content! 🙌

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

I appreciate that! I hope you can get one as the demand far exceeds the fist batch they can manufacture (I heard). The bike itself is not "better" than for example Tuareg 660 but considering the value proposition and the differences between those bikes being very small its hard not to like the MT450 for what it offers. Even thinking about getting one for myself as the pricepoint is just crazy good.

@djangounhinged7634 22 дня назад

yeah threw a 15T front sprocket on mine - couldn't handle the 110Km/h buzz..... so much nicer now and no loss down low really.

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

Thanks for confirming! 🙌

@augustbrante8117 21 день назад

Did your bike have a twitchyness to the throttle? I have had mine for 4 days now and every crack I hit on the road it a little rough but it goes to the hans and then i is jerky. I adjusted the suspension the other day and that took about half of the feepiings of hitting bump away. Again I am going through the break in period still. Will that go away? Thanks in advance!

@djangounhinged7634 21 день назад

@@augustbrante8117 it's weird - I read and see a lot of YT's about the twitchy throttle, but mine seems fine. I know what it is like - I had a Vulcan S that had that really bad until I added a Booster Plug. I do have Grip Puppies but that shouldn't make any difference. So either my ECU tune is later than most people with that issue or it's air temp/humidity or something here in the tropics .....

@simonjones2645 18 дней назад

Slack in the throttle cable mate

@slakk5093 11 дней назад

@@djangounhinged7634it’s not all bikes that are affected. I’d say about half. There’s guys in the fb groups that have ridden two bikes back to back. One fine, one with jerkiness, and no before someone says adjust the slack in the throttle cable, that doesn’t fix the issue on the bikes with this problem. It does improve bikes that don’t have this problem though, leading to a confirmation bias with owners that improved their throttle response by removing slack. Then they go around telling everyone this problem doesn’t exist, when it actually does 🤦‍♂️

@istvanfarkas3044 9 дней назад

Lovely review as usual thank you very much. As far as I know you can switch ABS on and off on the fly no problem. A couple of mates of mine have already bought this 450MT, experienced riders like 20-30 years of riding and they just love it. However I will buy a CRF300L next month hopefully 😬to put it in my garage next to my Sherco and meanwhile looking forward to buy this CFMoto to be ready for big adventures. Many thx again mate.

@PatchedBandit 9 дней назад

Thats a great duo. I still absolutely LOVE my CRF. It needs quite a bit of modding to be what I need it to be but it’s well worth doing.

@jamesvalpuesta 22 дня назад

Nice appreciation of the bike. An inexpensive Tenere style bike for short guys. Just what I need . There is an optional 870mm seat. The bike also has a lowering link that can bring it down to 800 mm from the standard 820mm height. A 15 minute job to move the link.

@kleitosaliagas5668 22 дня назад

I think the bike has an adjustable seat to make it 800m. More like a one minute job.

@slakk5093 21 день назад

@@kleitosaliagas5668it has both. Low seat option and a built in lowering link on the bottom of the shock (same like the dr650).

@constantinosschinas4503 18 дней назад

If you are that small, get a scooter. Life is already complicated enough.

@ROLISS 21 день назад

finaly this bike is in Latvia and I try too test this bike. but my first impresion when i saw - it is wide (around fuel tank is a lot plastic)

@constantinosschinas4503 18 дней назад

If they went minimal with plastics (awfully wide indeed and a lot of useless plastics on the tower plus it sides) and was at least 15kg lighter, it would be really something. Riding position too much in the bike for me as well.

@Focke190 16 дней назад

If its thin there will be no wind protection for highway. I like it as is.

@biko055 7 дней назад

Great review. Did you notice a lot less heat vs. the tuareg? I own a tuareg and love it except for the heat. I'd really appreciate any thoughts on the subject. Cheers. BTW, I am only partially through the video, so if you touch on the subject, my apologies.

@MichaelShaw206 7 дней назад

Great question! I am also curious. The Tuareg definitely put off heat on the right side.

@PatchedBandit 7 дней назад

Unfortunately I have to disappoint in this as a year ago I had a similar test ride with the Tuareg and dindn't notice the heat on that bike either. So I cant definitively say that there is no heat on the MT450 the ride is just too short to feel it. Now that I have owned the Tuareg I have absolutely noticed the heat on hotter days and especially in city riding.

@biko055 6 дней назад

@@PatchedBandit No worries. I appreciate your replying. I figure it probably isn't possible for it to throw out more heat than the Tuareg without melting but what the hell do I know. At any rate, thanks for the answer. Cheers!

@Adventurous_noob 16 дней назад

Tried one the other day. Absolutely shocked with the lightness and capability. The bike is designed to a very good standard. Also own a Tuareg 660.

@Itchybite 2 дня назад

Does the 450mt feel a lot lighter than the toureg 660? It's only about 10kgs on paper.

@Adventurous_noob 2 дня назад

@@Itchybite yes it feels noticeably lighter! The difference on the paper is more likely to be 20kg.

@PatchedBandit 2 дня назад

Difference is under 10kg. Anyone buying this just because it’s ”noticeably lighter” is going to be disappointed. These two bikes feel extremely similar.

@soumyananda2528 22 дня назад

I think pricing is the issue here . In india re Himalayan 450 sells for 4297 USD. IF CF MOTO 450 launches in india the pricing probably would be around 6500 considering its a twin cylinder but RE is also going to launch Himalayan 650 or 800 , which will be priced between 6500 USD to 7500 USD. So even if Indian scenario for RE it may look like good pricing for other countries it depends on taxation

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

True. This is exactly why I rarely speak about prices in my videos. They vary a lot country to country and almost nowhere are these as expensive as in Finland 😄

@nscott26 22 дня назад

Would you replace your Tuareg with this CF Moto 450? I own a Tuareg but want something lighter and rhe weight savings on paper doesn't seem like enough. I also own a Kove 450 which is great off road but riding on road to get to the off road stuff isnt very good. I also own a Honda 300 rally which is great off road and a little better on road than the Kove but its a little underpowered in my opinion. If the Honda had 40-45hp it would be a great all around bike!

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

Doing the Level 1.0 tune to my CRF really made a big difference to how it picks up and gets going. I would not switch to the MT450 due to weight. Weight differences alone are so small that any issue you have with the Tuareg offroad is going to be there with the MT450 also. Tuareg is a very well balanced and easy to control 200kg bike and the same can be said about the MT450 but the differences between these two are mainly the price.

@2Gales 22 дня назад

For all the people trying to compare this to the Kove…😂 They are radically different bikes. The Kove is not a street oriented bike,although you can register it 7:20 and it would be “street legal”, it is a racing bike for competition, rallies, and for extreme high speed off road in general. Very high maintenance, very high seat, probably high ;consumption, knobby tyres, no comfort, and so on. If you plan ro ride the bike in the street and do not plan on racing it, the NT is your bike. Easy choice!😊

@jonwoodworker 22 дня назад

I agree they are different. The Kove is a clown bike that had to pay youtubers millions of dollars to sell a handful of bikes. The MT450 is just a good bike,

@jimtitt3571 21 день назад

Feeling light is very subjective but the weight itself isn't, try lifting it out of a mudhole and you'll know what I mean. I test rode the MT offroad and you feel every kilogram braking, over bumps, in turns and making quick corrections. I was interested in buying one but for my off-road riding style it is just 40kg or so too heavy. I'll stick with my ancient EXC.

@PatchedBandit 21 день назад

Feeling light and nimble during riding is something every viewer should understand what I mean by saying that and I stated also that it's still a heavy twin cyl adventurebike. NOT an enduro bike. When I talk about these bikes during rides I consider the segment they are sitting in. If I start comparing it to 100kg enduro bikes all the way to big GS it makes it pretty confusing for everyone. This bike is in the mid size ADV category no question about that. Thinking this is somehow a direct replacement for a KTM EXC is crazy.

@JRClaybrook1 22 дня назад

Great review! Do you find the throttle choppy or twitchy at all? I've heard from several people now that they've had throttle issues and some even after the over-the-air update.

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

I've heard that too but in this short ride I didn't notice that. More time in town might have revealed it though so can't be sure.

@slakk5093 21 день назад

Yup, the update doesn’t completely fix the throttle problems. You need to get an ecu flash if you want it to be fixed properly

@simonjones2645 18 дней назад

Slack throttle cable

@Motolover123 22 дня назад

Would you take that bike or your modded CRF300L to the TET. Btw love your channel

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

To the TET Norway trip I just came from I would definitely take the 450MT any day. Most of TET is very rideable on these mid size adv bikes so comfort on a long journey is highly valuable for me. But there are places I would be more comfortable being on the CRF300 for sure. I was just on an event called MAD here in Finland and rode the tracks marked 'black' the whole weekend. CRF was a much better tool for that task in my opinion 😁 Thanks 🙏

@constantinosschinas4503 18 дней назад

Really hoped they made this bike less bulky. It could also be 10kg+ lighter.

@PatchedBandit 18 дней назад

Yep. Would definitely differentiate it more from the competition if it was under 190 wet.

@Itchybite 2 дня назад

If i buy a Toureg 660 over the 450MT (yes, i know its more than double the price) will i regret it?

@PatchedBandit 2 дня назад

I have a 10K review out this week (friday).. that video will share some of my experiences. But very hard to answer without knowing you 😅

@Onceuponatimejotaele 2 дня назад

Hopefully long established Japanese brands are taking account of this. They have been resting on their laurels for too long.

@PatchedBandit 2 дня назад

Absolutely. We need competition in the 160-200kg bike segment. Lighter the better. These 1100 africatwins etc. are touring bikes more than offroad tools. We also need more bikes like the Kove 450 with reasonable pricing.

@porkshank13 22 дня назад

I know they are somewhat different creatures but since you have taken both out for a spin, how does it feel compared to the Kove 450? Ergonomics? Power? How much better is the Kove off road vs how much better is the CFMOTO on road? Thanks!

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

450MT is VERY close to the Tenere 700 and Tuareg 660 in everything else but peak power. Kove on the other hand is a lightweight enduro bike more closely resembling CRF300/450 category of bikes. Pretty hard to even do that comparison. Kove is miles ahead offroad and same can be said about MT450 on asphalt. Kove 450 feels much lighter and nimbler compared to even the ktm 690 so any comparison to the MT450 is a bit far fetched 🙂

@porkshank13 22 дня назад

@@PatchedBandit Thank you! That is still very helpful. I am interested in both these bikes for doing things like the BDR's and the TAT here in the States and trying to decide where I want to make my compromise.

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

If I would know you as a rider better it would be a bit easier to suggest should you go twin or single cyl route and maybe the history of bikes you have owned. But If you want to have some more in depth chat about the different options I'm happy to help in my discord or whatsapp groups! linktr.ee/patchedbandit

@porkshank13 22 дня назад

@@PatchedBandit That's awesome. Thank you! I might take you up on that eventually. The reality is for me if I am to purchase a new motorcycle it won't happen until next riding season. I currently own a CRF300L Rally that I have dropped a pretty penny into upgrading. I love it, but already feeling the call of more power, but also hesitant to make the leap given the money I have put into the Rally. Thanks again!

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

I can highly recommend going a bit deeper and doing the Level 1.0 tune with a bit quieter exhaust like Yoshimura full racing pipe. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--rdtfHX3i6k.html The bike get's some really needed PEP with this done.

@advseeker 22 дня назад

Need to test that bike... but probably too small for me and my family members 😅 Kove was higher?

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

Kove is way higher. But the rally seat for the MT450 is +5cm taller and straight. That might be nice on this.

@vaerenbergh 21 день назад

I would take the new himi. Longer service intervals, less harch yet great suspension and no CCP connection

@christopherpekel6096 21 день назад

It's not as good.

@vaerenbergh 21 день назад

@@christopherpekel6096 i beg to differ

@slakk5093 17 дней назад

The longer service intervals are attractive. As is the much better fuel economy. To keep the warranty with CFMoto you need to get the bike serviced every 5000km at a dealership

@spileh 15 дней назад

Do we get the acceleration numbers into table some day?

@PatchedBandit 15 дней назад

Some day. I couldn't do the test in this event but I'm gonna try to do one later.

@aluminiumsloep 11 дней назад

30% less fuel efficient then the Himalyan(1;20 v 1;30)....going places with less fuel pumps around that makes a difference...big difference....and for my commute that's € 400,-- less on fuell each year add some weekend travels to that and you reach an easy € 900,-- each year...so after 10 years......i have the money spared out for a brand new one.... Now that's economics...

@PatchedBandit 10 дней назад

I don't count fuel I put in my therapy machines (anything with 2 wheels).. You are not wrong though 😁✌️

@thanosa2206 6 дней назад

All good except fuel consumption

@anthonyperkins6364 22 дня назад

No release date for when they will be in the USA ? ! ?

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

Don't know but I heard that the initial reservations about 3x the supply. I'm afraid this is going to be one of those releases that doesn't have a very good availability at start.

@tuanoful 6 дней назад

Someone said at highway speed the front wobbles. big no no

@PatchedBandit 6 дней назад

A lot of bikes have had this issue due to tires. Like Motorcycle adventures with his Tenere 700. I'm 99% sure it's not the bike and this was table as it should be.

@tuanoful 6 дней назад

@@PatchedBandit I had it happen to me with a vstrom, almost died. So if that's a known issue, or suspected issue, hell nah. I was very close to buying this motorcycle, but I'm going to give it time. Hopefully China starts making good bikes, because the two others I've own were like throwaway toys.

@tuanoful 6 дней назад

I love that there are not, seemingly good bikes (RE, Triumph and MF moto) making more accesible bikes. ADV touring is a passon of mine, but having to shell out 30k is just insane (for the big boys)

@PatchedBandit 6 дней назад

Tankslappers (if that's what you meant) are rare with adventurebikes in general because the geometry is totally different. I've had many with my roadbikes back in the day but never had one with any adventurebike. I havent' seen any postings about this being a reason to avoid this bike. Most small vobbles are tire issues in individual bikes and tankslappers I haven't seen reported with this or other adventurebikes. It can happen but... I've ridden about 100 000km with adventurebikes and never had that issue with these kind of bikes.

@tuanoful 5 дней назад

@@PatchedBandit I know it is not common, I probably caused it by lifting the back and changing the geometry of the bike.Rising the back shortened the wheel to wheel length. Vstrom is kind of low, so I did it to do some harder trails. And it was totally fine except over 120kph. I fell down at 130, thanfully no one was on the road with me. Broke a lot of stuff and ended up in a wheelchair for a while. I might be a little irrational about the issue, I understand that, the fear is still there. The wobble on the MF 450 mt I saw in one of the millions of videos I've seen about this bike.

@endo800 22 дня назад

I wonder how it will stack up vs Kove 800x which weighs similar

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

Would be interesting to test the 800x. But I don't believe the weight figures until someone puts it on to a scale.

@charliequach6399 15 дней назад

@PatchedBandit MCN did weight the Kove 800X a few weeks back: 196kg and Kove claimed 185kg.

@tolgaayyldz6841 20 дней назад

my height is 1.85 cm. if i buy this motorcycle with lifted seat. what do you think its can be okay right ?

@PatchedBandit 20 дней назад

My educated guess is you would be ok with the ergos but try to have a sit if you can before buying :)

@tolgaayyldz6841 20 дней назад

@@PatchedBandit i hope i can drive this thing . i dont get my license yet . gonna get it after 2 days they giving us 150cc motorcycle for the license test. if i can get the license this motorcycle gonna be my first motorcycle

@PatchedBandit 20 дней назад

Very nice first rider. Don't be too hasty on upgrading it either. Big power definitely doesn't help anyone when going off pavement. It's exciting but doesn't really do much. This also seems to behave very well on the road so it's a very nice option for anyone that want's to do both.

@pekka9497 22 дня назад

Kove 450 or this ?

@MichaelShaw206 22 дня назад

That would be my question as well.

@PatchedBandit 22 дня назад

Kove 450 could replace my CRF300. MT450 is far closer to my Tuareg 660 than Kove. So the question can't be answered without knowing who is buying and where the bike is going to be used 😁 But if the question is for me and I could only own 1 bike... That's a different story and a very hard one to answer. I would probably take the MT450 to be my 1 and only bike if those were the choises I have. But tomorrow I might say the Kove 😂 Kove is far better offroad no 2 ways about it. But MT450 is a much more comfortable touring bike.

@MichaelShaw206 22 дня назад

@@PatchedBandit Makes total sense to me. Thanks for your insight.

@normananderson2583 22 дня назад

@@PatchedBandit Here in the states with the BDR's you may need to ride for 500 miles or more to get to the start of a ride..so the 450MT would be the ticket...once on the more challenging BDR,s you would want, ideally, the CRFl/Rally. I am thinking/hoping that the 450 from CF will be the best compromise. Will find out next summer..hope to do 2 BDR's....gotta ride well I can...

@constantinosschinas4503 18 дней назад

Kove 450 can't handle a second person and is a rally bike. 450MT is a street bike that can also do well on dirt.