Is the CFMOTO 450MT better than the Royal Enfield Himalayan 450? | INFO MOTO 

Digging my new Himi, solid, comfortable unit. More than enough power for me.

I’ve had mine for 6 weeks, test rode the RE450 the CF is better in every way. I have a 23 Africa twin also, the CF is a great little bike

Nice review, “Thanks”. Too many people forget, when you live in a big city, you need a certain capacity to enable reasonable highway cruising to get you to the dirt roads in the first place. That capacity unfortunately, means a bit of extra weight. I had a couple of 300cc bikes, including a Honda CRF300 Rally and a BMW310GS, both lovely bikes, but not very good on the highway. If you want a super light bike, buy a dirt bike and trailer it to the dirt roads. Unfortunately most dirt bikes aren’t road legal and therefore can’t be used on any dirt road in Australia, (private property only). The 450 MT looks like a very good compromise.

This is an awesome review and video. We've currently got the 450MT in our workshop for R&D on some aftermarket parts and we are quite impressed with the build quality of this machine.

The CF to me is a better looking bike so I would definitely go for this one 👌🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Well done Spencer! Getting busted up pretty bad with all the dirty action. Thanks for your presentation & input. It certainly is one of a contender for cheap bike of the year. Will be interested to see your team comparisons between the 450MT & the Himalayan! Cheers & rest up! You deserve a holiday

Ordered the mt last week massive waiting list in the uk

a nice calm and balanced delivery, thanks for that, how do they compare 2 up fully loaded on a highway? im guessing that is where the twin will win out, cheers

Picking mine up today. Was buying the Himalayan then I saw this bike✌🏽

Great review, picked my biggest bitch with the lean low rev map... A booster plug fixed it for the Versys-X it's replacing (I was going to play them off against each other and pick the best, 200k in and I knew I was keeping the MT) The foot pegs aren't me, bring on the pivot pegs and the handguards are useless so budget for bark busters. Definitely loosen up the front end and release the fork striction, everyone I know that has is far happier. Now for some knobbies as I always over ride my ability and the front end feels just like my Africa Twin, begging for more bite from the tyres. All up, it's not the unicorn 🦄 but it's probably slept with it.

I have a versys300 and i tested the 450mt. Better ergo on the 300. Better sound on the 450. A little more oumph on the 450 but not much. Way better fuelling on the 300. Will not swich bikes.

I’m a big RE fan (Interceptor owner) but would absolutely get this over the Himalayan if getting into an adventure bike. So tempting - a great value offering! Getting to be a smaller and smaller group of riders who can justify $20k plus on an ADV bike.

You are going to be dissapointed with the new Hima. It vibes as much (or more) as the old one, it's top heavy, it lacks half of the features the 450MT offers at the same price point like tubeless, foldable mirrors, ABS button, adjustable screen and more. And it feels heavy and unwieldy, you sort of sit on top of it instead of "in it", it's taller now and has lost most of it's approachability and easy fun going offorad.

great review !

did it come with the T-Box in OZ already ? I've seen a few customers around the world complaining they didn't get a TBox - so can't do their NAV connection - only China for now they all said ? I pick up my 450MT in a few days from the dealer - so my ears pricked up when I heard the TBox mentioned ...

I would take the MT450, I really like it, in my country the price is 5790€, I bought a 450SR-S for my son, which has the same engine, I can only say that you get a lot for the money. It drives great and I don't regret buying it.

I'd hold off till the end of the year until Kawasaki Versys 500 comes out. This could be a hybrid model too. Can't wait. But I got a feeling this bike would still be better as an overall package, and I'll buy the MT 450. That's ok too cause there would be more aftermarkets for it by then.

One thing to remember KTM and CF Moto are in a partnership. I will have to say though the 450mt is a nice looking bike.

Sick review Spence!! Don’t know what wounded u more … the crash or the Doon pub 😂

3200km on the Himi450 flawless!

I have same issue with throttle on Chinese Zontes G1. Very frustrating.

the twin cylinder makes the diffrence. When you travelling all day you dont want those vibrations of the single.

Just tighten the cable adjustments on the throttle. Makes it much better, less snatchey.

I got 1300 km on my MT450 here in Europe. I bought it as the lighter, smaller displacement ADV bike. I have modified Rally 300 for the "dirt riding". The big miss for my riding, the short final gearing of the transmission. Around 120 kmh the engine spins at 7000 (8500 red line). I already installed 15t front sprocket, drops rpm 450 or so, but it is little less energetic on initial acceleration. The fueling off idle is shit. The rest of the bike is awesome.

Another thing with Royal Enfield Australia is your warranty roadside assist entitles you to only 2 tows if you break down and the bike can’t be ridden. It put me off buying the 450 Himalayan. I ended up buying a Kawasaki Z650RS because no got it for an amazing price….. I miss being able to take those dirt roads.

Great little bike and great summuary as well. Thanks for the video. I am looking forward for a test ride. Currently not easy to get one here in Germany

I’d buy the CF over the RE

that mt deserve 600cc motor with that chassis.... not to slow on highway and good looking... just like africa twin looks with less cc

I love my 450 MT but fuelling is a pain on technical stuff

You've ridden 5000ks on the 450 Himalayan? That is a lot considering its not been out for long. Or did you mean the 411?

I’d love to see cfmoto making something like the ktm 690 enduro. With the twin engine, that would be something to ride 👌

I bought the cf moto

There are some dealers close to me selling the Aprilia Tuareg 660 in 10K. Some others 11K Which one will you decide? CFMoto 450 10K or Aprilia Tuareg 660 10K ? 😁😁

In this category only a torquey single will do. Both these bikes are too heavy for me.

This is a really good bike. If only it wasn't Chinese......

10kg heavier than a DR650, and with 3/4 or the torque.

RE should really ditch the circular mirrors. They are the most impractical bit on there. Also, the tank guard should be made an optional accessory.

why it cause 10000 USD your there? it only about 32000 RMB in China, just less than 5000USD.

I love this bike. This is what a 390 Adventure had to be in the first place based on its product positioning. I own a 390 ADV and I absolutely love it for its all round character, Sharp on streets, light for off roads and super comfy for touring. However my friends who are into proper off roading find it a bit prone to shortcomings. The MT fits the bill.

Piston mean speed in m/s is a measure allowing to roughly evaluate the stresses on the piston with the rings in the cylinder. In general the consensus is to stay largely under 20 m/s at max RPM and to stay around under 13-14 m/s at cruising speed if you want a lasting engine. It's verified every day on aviation and marine gas engines used long hours at a steady cruising speed. The other rule of thumb is on gas engines the cruising speed is 75 to 80 % of the max RPM. For example if your bike has a top speed of 150 kmh, the good speed on highway is between 112 and 120 kmh with a piston speed around 12-13 m/s. After this preliminary I do think that the RE 450 has a very bothering technical feature. With a very long old fashion stroke of 81.5 mm but with a rather fast 8000 RPM for the max power of 40 hp, the piston speed is 21.3 m/s, a very annoying high value.That's more than a super sport Honda CBR600RR at 14250 RPM (20.19 m/s). More than a cross KTM 450. The Suzuki DR 650 SE has a 82 mm stroke with around 41 hp at 6400 RPM piston speed 17.5 m/s. The Zongchen NC 450 with a stroke of 64 mm is giving around 40 hp at 7100 RPM on the Fantic 500 with a piston speed of 15.14 m/s. Also that means, if the top speed is 150 kmh at 8000 RPM, that at 6000 RPM on the highway, around 115-120 kmh, the speed piston is an unhealthy 16.3 m/s. Like if you were almost top RPM all the time with a Suzuki DR 650 on the highway, and everybody knows that was not good at all for the DR engine. Morality the RE engine is absolutely not made for going a long time on the highway. The 450 MT has a stroke of 55.2 mm, so at 8500 RPM the piston speed is 15.64 m/s. At 6500 it's less than 12 m/s, a gauge of longevity. With the very full curve of torque and power it's easy to adjust the sprockets ratio to get 120 kmh at 6500 RPM. It's also the RPM of the max torque and the better specific gas consumption. Morality with the good gear ration you can make hundreds of kilometers et 120 kmh. So I do not feel very confident about the durability of the RE engine for a ADV use with a mix of highway, road and offroad.

Wow, in Europe it costs below 6000 Euro

Himalayan 450 is more beautiful bike and the Royal Enfield has a history the cf is totally new and unknown

Himalayan over this Chinese wannabe ADV!

One has a track record of poor manufacturing quality and chassis breaking/crack. And the other is a Chinese bike with no substantial track record to speak of yet. So I won’t be picking either but if I really had to, I guess it will be the MT.

You summed it up, “light weight adventure bike”. The bike is not light weight in the least however. Personally I don’t understand how people, and yourself mr reviewer, consider the cf moto not most comparable to the Honda NX 500. That’s the comparison that I want to see.

Single cylinder engines with low geared transmissions, have been obsolete for 100 years now. It's bizzare that Japan continued to make single cylinder engines in their smaller bikes, whilst putting enormous 1340cc 197 horsepower inline 4 cylinder engines in their larger street bikes (Hayabusa). They gave people liquid-glass-electric-turbine smooth inline 4 engines in all their models, and only single cylinder 43 horsepower motors in their DR650 or 48 horsepower in the heavier KLR650. The single cylinder bikes were designed to be boring, and low in power, with short gears that aren't very good for actual highway riding. But this doesn't make any sense, because the same companies were constantly trying to make more and more exciting, faster, more refined motorcycles. As a side note, 53 years ago, in 1971, Honda made the SL350 enduro with a screaming 10,000 rpm and 36 horsepower parallel twin. Somehow, 53 years later, they've forgotten how to do it. Every premium flagship enduro and trail oriented dirt bike made by the major manufacturers, should be a finely balanced parallel twin, with an overdrive 6th gear. Anything else is obsolete at this point.

190kg plus wet. The rival is the Honda 450RL , 135kg .

CF 200 Kilo.