i'm a beginner rider and the 450SS is so much fun to ride and looks amazing and i bought it new from my local dealership which also teaches people how financing and help build credit
Love the long form videos, great to see em back! Just in case it maybe wasn't just me, there appear to be some annoying audio pops with a lot of the cuts. Hoping for even more vids on both the CFMoto and R6
As a 5'4" woman who bought an '09 R6 as my first street bike, the R6 is fine for shorter riders. I can't flat foot it with both feet, but that's only a downside when I have to back up, or move it without using the throttle.
Recently completed a Labor Day group ride in the twisty North Carolina mountain roads. All kinds of bikes and I’m just so happy with my SV650. I’ve looked at 1K, 750’s and 600’s but this SV is so fun. Yeah I won’t stand a chance in the straight but it’s my Swiss army bike, does it all. Won’t say never but for now this SV will stay.
Personally i prefer the Cfmoto all the way. You cant compare a 600cc with a 450cc in terms of speed, torque HP. But as a package the Cfmoto offers way more, and its a perfect daily bike. I have the 450SR and the RS660, and use the 450SR most days, as the RS660 is not as good to be filtering in traffic at slow speeds. So i guess really depends what you want it for. In the ideal world its better to have both :) And maybe a 3rd one for touring haha. Great videos as always ;)
@@christiansvideos I think you will not be disappointed with the Cfmoto. Of course compared to my RS660 with 100hp, the Cfmoto has less torque and power, but plenty to have a lot of fun :) So if you had an R6 but didn’t ride for a while, i think you would be happy
@@christiansvideosif your scared it will under whelm you then it probably will. Also the 450 does not come with a better package. The 600 will have way better suspension, brakes, handling. Also the new Kawasaki 636 also is coming with lots of new technology( TFT display, quick shifter, riding modes) if you want a new 600 the zx6r is the right choice at this point in time.
here in the philippines an r6 cost more than half a million at around 600k+ upto 750k i think.. compared to a 299k cfmoto 450sr.... maybe only in the us its price for 2nd hand is closer to cfmoto brand new
i did plan on getting a gsxr600 but i couldn’t get any quote for insurance under $5k a year which is totally undoable for me. The 450ss i got a quote for $2k a year and for normal commute and casual fun this is perfect for me
I just bought by 2nd R6 yesterday. I had an 04 before now bought a 2015 w 9600 miles. I got a great deal on it, but it has some of the same issues as yours. Needs two brand new tires, the aftermarket clutch lever on their feels weird (i havent tried adjusting it yet though), brakes dont feel great, and the gas lid takes a minute or two of prying to open after jiggling the key. Great video, I started on an r6 any I cant see myself owning any other bike.
I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment that people who can't handle 50hp shouldn't be on a motorcycle. Everyone has to start somewhere, and and while I do think it would be great if every rider could start out with a full-sized bike, I would still rather see someone start with a 125cc because that's all they're comfortable with than have them never try riding at all. As for the 450SS vs the R6, they're entirely different classes of bike, so I don't really think it's a fair comparison. That said, having tried both, I personally prefer the 450SS, although that's mostly because I'm short so the smaller bike is more comfortable. Price is a valid point to bring up, but you have to put it in perspective. My cousin paid just under $6k for his '07 R6, while I was out the door for just under $5.5k on the 450SS (dealership owner is a friend of the family so he waived the freight and setup fees). Not a huge difference in price, but we're talking about a brand new bike, with all the warrantees and lack of wear that comes with that territory, compared to a 16-year-old bike with 16 years of "I hope the last guy didn't lie about maintenance" and no warrantee. They're both worth the money, you're just paying for different things. With the R6 you're paying for performance and pedigree, whereas with the 450SS, you're paying for mechanical certainty and modern tech.
Wouldn't the 450 be a better commute bike from the low end torque of the single cylinder engine. Vs a inline 4 that has it's peak performance at top of rev range? I'm new to bikes just asking for clarity
@@onyx_might72 The 450SS actually has a parallel twin (fancy name for an inline 2-cylinder), and top end power is still higher than low range torque, just not by as much as on the R6. That aside, there are a variety of factors to consider, but low end torque is usually more favorable for commuting bikes.
hey wassup I love motorcycles I'm currently 13 ima be saving up till I get my licenses and get my first motorcycle because of people like you and other amazing riders. Till them ima be training and hopefully I get to meet amazing people. Stay safe
I'd get either one CF Moto 450SS I have is amazing. I love it. I have gotten it to 100 mph and still had more to give.....I often cruise about 80-87 mph on way to work passing every car in sight.
The 450 SS was described best as a giggle machine or around town blaster. I want an NK 450 simply for a project and fun back and forth to work bike because of the MPG. I have aspirations for other machines but not as a back and forth 40 minutes to work but for touring with my lady so a naked 450 for under 6k why not it gets 4.5 times the MPG of my truck and leaves me in the wind. On another note I hope that CF Moto comes out with a NK crossplane triple to give the MT 09 some real competition. I think as time goes on we are going to see more and more 270 degree twins and triples hitting the market.
I bought my vfr800 having never worked on a bike before and I will tell every new rider buy a bike you can work on. It builds confidence and you get to know your bike more. And you can do side work working on others bikes once you get comfortable
Ive had 2 R6's, an R1, and a dozen dirt bikes and I love my 450ss. I dust almost everyone I ride with through the Colorado canyons. Super fun bike. Only way you'll outgrow this bike is if your thing is straight line squiding.....
Man i really feel for you guys in the US in regards to the 450SS price. Got mine brand new from a dealership in New Zealand for $5400 USD total cost (2 year warranty). We have over here a LAMS approved list (basically a list of bikes you are legally allowed to ride) for people on their learners license. The 450 is on that list. It was a toss up between the RC 390, Duke 390, Mt -03 or Ninja 400 for me.
in jordan yamaha r6 price is 20.000$ Cfmoto 450 sr price 9.000$ The difference is very big, so I went to CFMOTO and I think it is a good choice for daily use, especially since the streets of Jordan are not even suitable for walking 😂
I think the best comparison to the 450ss is the ninja 400, aside from reliability, does the 450ss’s quality of parts really worth it? I mean I think you pointed out something about it’s swingarm and that it’s somewhat low quality?
Yamaha Motor’s story in China began with the successful Guangzhou Yamaha Exhibition held in southern China in 1979. Suzuki first began to provide technology to China in 1984. In 1993, Changan Suzuki was established as a joint venture with Changan Automobile, and Changhe Suzuki was established as a joint venture with Changhe Automobile in 1995. With the strong assistance of Chinese partners, Suzuki produces and sells products developed by Suzuki. Suzuki has a history of more than 20 years in China. Kawasaki Heavy To Produce Motorcycles In China Kawasaki said it will form a joint venture with a major Chinese motorcycle maker in Chongqing by the summer of 2014 to launch motorcycle production in China. Honda signed a technical collaboration agreement with Jialing Industry in China in 1981 to enter the Chinese motorcycle market and established a joint venture company, Jialing-Honda, in 1993, to begin production and sales of motorcycles under the Honda brand name.Dec 15, 2001  global.honda › worldnews Honda Announces Plan to Produce General Purpose Engines in China Again which Japanese bike made in China were you referring to?
As a Europen this bike is perfect It has a great look 48hp and 35kw 450cc and this is the max limit I am allowed to drive between the age 18 and 24 so I should stick with this bike or this limit of power for 6 years until i be able to go for something highr after getting a new driving license with highr klass
Cfmoto has been ridden alot in harsh condition countries like third world country like Indonesia, Philippines,thailand. If the bike can handle the harsh condition there ofc the bike can handle the west. The west is literally heaven for cars and bike. In middle east the road are filled with bump, and pot holes. That's why we used toyota and japs brand. If cfmoto can survive here, it shows their reliability to compete with the japs
I had a 2005 r6s before and it was great, sold it and got a Surron and now I want to go back riding sports bike lol I am now torn between these two bikes I just love how the r6 sounds but im considering getting a newer bike for the reliability and less gas consumption
2:30 great story and I like that you took out extra cash for a finder's fee. That $200 will be worth MUCH more as an investment in the future. Cool story.
As a rider that jumped from r6 to z1000 2 days ago, i really didnt feel difference in power rather than in ergonomics and me being 190cm it felt like such a relief to have a comfy bike. Hopefully i dont pull too hard from a stoplight and z wheelies me into police station anytime soon
As someone who has an R3 and ZX6r, (2023) I can honestly tell you, that the R3, is ridiculously fun to ride and goof around on. You get *NO* fatigue, no high temperature issues, and it's so damn light. I'm in the midst of selling the 636 for a street triple RS . It's just not enjoyable like the R3. So, if you are thinking about getting the R3 , you should.
She reminds me of my LOLA, Merry Christmas bud and a Happy New year! I'm definitely expecting more content with you and your Cool and Lovely MOM . GODBLESS LOVE TO WATCH your vids about big bikes. Even if i dont have one. Just a cheap chinese bike worth $1221.
The perfect beginner bike is a used cheap 3-400cc bike that someone can learn on for a year and beat up before spending money on their second bike that they’ll keep for years before trading up again.
Will you do a review or something like that about the new aprilia rs457? In my country there are cc limitations, so I'm restricted to the A2 license, so max 47 or 48 hp. With the info avalable now, the rs457 would be the best in its class, but i'd love to see some reviews on it
same mate, most Europe countries have CC restrictions which why i mostly compared the cfmoto 450 sr to for example yamaha R3, the aprilia rs457, Kawasaki 400cc, *dont remember the name* and honda cb 500 :) bought now the CFmoto 450 sr new, and i am hyped to finally enjoy my A2 license !!
Give me an R6 every day. I can do a handlebar conversion and lower pegs. But the sound of that inline 4 revving out will always hit me just right. I had an FZ6 and now an 03 FZ1 and the inline 4 sound is so great.
18:15 Yeah in the UK for a A2 licence we can only ride a 500cc max with 35kW. So I'm only 18 so i have to wait until I'm 19 to do my a2 test, that will be next year. I'm waiting for cf moto to release there 500cc bike and I will see if I should get the yamaha r7 restricted or the cf moto 500sr.
In australia we have all the learners restrictions and the big prices for everything 650cc is the limit for learners And looking at 11k for a ninja 650
I will be honest bike prices in South Africa are insane, the 450 ss would be perfect specially with the ninja 400 that went up in price every year by us. just to let you understand the price, the kawasaki 1000 is 1/5 of my houses price. sure I don't have an expensive house, but when the 450 comes to SA I would love to get one, cheaper than the kawasaki ninja
Adobo, here's the thing though. I am a beginner rider, who rides a BMW 310 R that belongs to my mom (yes my mom is badass). It's a great bike for a beginner, but after two years of riding I am ready for something that can go faster than 83mph (that's literally the top speed of the BMW, I hate revving the piss out of it just to get to 65). The thing is though, I am a college student, so I don't have a shop, tools, or an extra 5gs to spend after I get my bike. The 450ss just makes more sense to me, especially since I don't want to kill myself going 140mph on a used r6. What do you think? P.S. Love your videos!
If youre gonna use the Bike for commuting, the R6 doesnt make any sense. It has very low power in low rpm range til you get to about 8k rpm and now youre screaming sound in traffic. very annoying.
Get an FZ6, literally the naked version of the 1st gen R6. Yamaha straight up took the R6 thundercat (1st Gen R6) engine and changed the shape of the camshaft profile so that the powerband kicks in way sooner in the RPM range, which made the FZ6 much easier to handle in terms of power management for street riding. Also the neutral seating position and the high handlebar height makes it so much more comfortable of a ride imo. Ive never had an R6 but I had an FZR600 for a few months, fun bike but the aggressive seating position just wasnt for me so I sold it and picked up the FZ6 that I currently ride, and the difference in ergonomics is huge. If you dont plan on taking your bike to the track, definitely look into the naked bike category. At the very least just walk into a dealership and tell em your not there to buy a bike, and that you just want to familiarize yourself with the different bike ergonomics.
You do get used to the power very fast. I bought one new a few months ago for $6900 OTD. After 2 weeks I knew I wanted more power and decided to cut my losses, sell and grab a zx6r
Great video man! I love your review. if its possible can you do a review CF MOTO CLX 700 Sports. I am planning to get that one but I would love to see your feedback on it @adobo Moto
I need to check the monthly payments for the insurance on an r6 compared to the cfmoto 450ss. I bet the 450ss has plenty of power for road but not track use. I don't live near, not can I afford the track, so the 450 might be the sweet spot as 300's seem to get underwhelming reviews.
450 is made and developed by CFMOTO 100%.They actually brag about it as an achievement for the company.The rest of the previous motors are based from Kawasaki and KTM motors.
The RSV4 here in the Philippines is more than 32kUSD, so expensive. I agree, liter bikes will depend on where you live. 600s are way better in bengking bengking.
Do you think it's worth picking up a used 2012 R6 with only 2000 miles, in good condition for $9k? In between that or a used 450ss / Ninja 400/ R3 for ~4/5k. Not in a rush but saw it pop up and not sure if I should pass because of the price
Id go with the ninja 400. A brand new 2023 bike with 1 mile on the clock for only $5.5k from a reputable manufacturer, trust me when you buy a used bike your going to find things you dont want to find and sometimes those things starting adding up real fast and next thing you know, you cant ride because something on your bike is in dire need of servicing/repair. All my bikes have been pre-owned but thats cuz im a broke boi lol. Dont be like me and risk your life on a clapped out bike, if I could go back in time id save myself so many headaches by going to a dealer and financing a bike that I actually want. Nothing wrong with settling for whatever comes your way based on your $ budget, cuz obviously that the path I chose but if I could do things differently.. I definitely would, hence the reason I took the time to reply.
Im looking to buy my first bike right now, just got my 6L license here in vancouver canada. wondering if riding a sport bike as a daily is uncomfortable. ive seen it in a few places people complaining about sport bikes being uncomfortable to ride day to day. just wondering as someone who has clearly had a lot of experience on them as well as other bikes if you find thats the case or not
I rode a 12 miles commute to school on an r6, and I just bought another one yesterday to do the same to work (9 miles). Its doable, yes, but the hunched position can definitely tire your back and wrists out where some days you really wish you had a car.
Neutral seating position and high handlebar height makes it so much more comfortable of a ride imo. Ive never had an R6 but I had an FZR600 for a few months, fun bike but the aggressive seating position just wasnt for me, after about an hr of constant riding my back would start to get really tense and stiffen up to the point where I would have to pull over somewhere and stretch. I sold the FZR600 and picked up an FZ6 that I currently still ride, and the difference in ergonomics is huge. If you dont plan on taking your bike to the track, definitely look into the naked bike category. At the very least just walk into a dealership and tell em your not there to buy a bike, and that you just want to familiarize yourself with the ergonomics of different riding styles.
If we are talking about the speed ill go to r6 but if we talk about specs, design, and price I'll go to 450 ss Oh come on 450cc to 650cc 😂 142mph to 160mph what a privilege to compete with the legend r6..
I have a 07 r6s as my first bike and I love it! But I’m also 6’1 and I have very little experience with bikes before this but I felt the bike was a great choice to get into as starting out as long as your careful
Well that's a fair comparison well if you really have the buck and the place to use it go for 1000 but if you'll just be goofing off around go for those lower one's and in case you crash em it's not that itchy to repair em😂
