Chakotay's Maquis Raider VS Sulu's USS Excelsior - Both Ways - Star Trek Starship Battles 

Now if this were a pre dominion war TNG era Excelsior, I think it would have fared far better than an Excelsior using torpedoes, phasers and shields from one hundred years ago..

2:21 “She’ll fly apart!” “Fly her apart, then!”

Ohh My !

That's why Eddington was able to disable the USS Malenche in that one episode "For the Uniform" which was an Excelsior Class Starship!

Captain Sulu, recommend transporting all of our Tribbles to the enemy ship!

Amazing! I never would have believed that the raider could have taken an Excelsior class. It must have been the firepower, maneuverability, and the human factor. The Excelsior has it outclassed on every other level. Edit: Now I wish that they could have salvaged the Raider in Voyager. That thing could have greatly increased their survival. We also would have had two captains. 😄

Emperor Sulu: @2:38 Chakotay: Yeah? Well, your shields are as weak as the ¥. Emperor sulu: AAAAAHHH

Unfortunately, you're thinking of Demora Sulu, not Hikaru Sulu, she was captain of the Enterprise B. Still, cool concept though.

This proves why The Maquis were such an effective fighting force. They were small, fast, nimble making them near impossible to lock on to, while packing an outsized punch. And when you factor in Cardassians were thought to be mildly behind the Federation and the Klingon Empires in technology, it was no wonder they were a outright terror for the spoon heads.

Hikaru Suku would have been DEAD and buried long before Chakotay was an itch in his father's trousers Badger!!!!

Its like attacking an Abrahms tank with a hand gun.You simply cant hurt the raider with those old obsolete weapons.

Chakotay's raider was a modified Peregrine class courier named the "Val Jean" (should be one word but I don't think Eddington let him borrow his copy of the book)

To be fair, Sulu's helmsman is used to working on a Russian sub. Couldn't expect him to avoid next generation torpedoes, really.

Christian Slater had the bridge that day

I love these space battles. I would love to see a Danube Class Runabout vs the Delta Flyer. That would be a good battle. I would definitely see the Delta Fiyer winning because of the Borg enhancements. Keep up the good work.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold", right Retro? 😁

This is a perfect example of the fan programmers not getting this right. In no known Universe is a Maqui Raider going to hold up under a 23rd Century Starship in prolonged combat. There is a tech difference, but not as large as you would suppose not as overwhelming as shown here. In Voyager, when we first meet Chakotay, Tuvok and B'elanna in their Raider, they are taking a beating at the hand of a single Keldon, which are probably some of the Alpha Quadrant's weakest capital ships. In DS9 Dominion War, a lone Klingon Bird Of Prey was terrorizing one of these poor ships, and that was before they called in the Vor'cha, which was frankly overkill. Even the Defiant jumping in the fight couldn't save the Keldon, as she had taken too much damage from the Bird Of Prey to be saved by then. So with that said, if Maqui raiders often were intercepted and taken out by Keldon's, I know for a fact a vessel with what B'elanna sarcastically told Chakotay "How do I get creative with an 39 year old REBUILT engine" ain't gonna be a threat for too long due to what superior tech phasers (which again according to B'elanna didn't put a dent in the Keldon's shields) and MICRO torpedos it had. That's right, it's clear whoever programmed this used full size starfleet torps on the raider, and that's why they hurt so much. You need to cut the damage output to 20% maybe 30% of the lowest rated Starship TNG torpedoes in the game to be accurate. Phasers can be TNG but should be even weaker than a Runabout, say at about 40% each bank. When both are used, it will reach 80% of a Runabout's strength, but due to inferior powerplant, cannot maintain the beam nearly the length of a Runabout. Shield output also weaker than a Runabout by at least 1/2. Then put it up against the OG Excelsior. No way that' ship doesn't take damage even from a TMP phaser array..From a freaking Battleship level one too.

Suggestion: Maquis Raider vs Cardassian Galor. Location: Badlands. Chakotay vs Gul Evek. Round Two! Fight!

Be interesting to see it against a standard TNG Excelsior Class like U.S.S. Hood or Cairo

😨Oh. My.. God.. eeh ouch lol . That was crazy Admiral.. like both ships, and never thought would tear the Sulu's ship like that gosh.. I think Sulu spit out his tea.. eeh gosh I always thought was disruptors not phasers on the Maquis well ok nice.. Also. Chakotay had B'Elanna with him so gosh.. And warp 9 wow.. gosh, missed a lot.. Yes Sulu would have thought something, but this was crazy. gosh still Well done Admiral.. I remember my models, not built the Excelsior, but good thing had 2 maquis, hmm cause went way overboard with the paint eeh.. lol !!😊🖖

Dam too OP Ty for the video and LLAP!

The original Excelsior is such a pretty ship. The Enterprise-B/Lakota model just looks awkward with all the extra bits glued on. Good fight though. I wonder if Chakotays spirit guides taught him how to make the photons extra spicy???

Seems kinda silly that Chakotay's ship even has weapons, seeing how it couldn't even beat a single Cardassian failure. I mean Galor.

"How are you supposed to hit this thing?" Maybe that's the point haha.

Mac ee raider? MAH.. KEY.. Maquis. 😁. Really enjoy your videos especially these..

There is something off with those Maquis phasers. Those things only have Type VII Phasers. Excelsior is from the TMP era but those Type VIIs shouldn't do much against their shields. The photons are the game changer.

I also would like to see a Gul Evek vs. Chakotay rematch. Not sure if there are any proper Galor Type II mods yet, but for comparisons sake, we have some examples. Three Maquis Raiders disables the USS Maliche, an Excelsior Class starship in "For the Uniform." However, Eddington had an edge with a computer virus. In "Preemptive Strike" Gul Evek's Galor Type II is disabled after a long battle with what appears to be at least half a dozen Maquis Raiders armed with Photon Torpedoes. So it seems like 3-4 Raiders might be a decent match against a pre-War late 2360s Galor Type II.

That Maquis Raider is quite overpowered compared to the old Constitution and Excelsior. As I saw that you chose the Lakota instead, I thought: "Yeah. Chakotay is toast after that. Quantum torpedoes are too much for that ship to take". As a request, I'd like to see a fight of a Danube Class against the Delta Flyer. I think these two shuttlecraft are quite close in pure combat skill. Both have torpedo launchers and are very maneuverable. It's like: Which series has the better shuttlecraft?

Love this "advanced small ship vs obsolete bigger ship" theme where the advanced ship still fares better, it's far more realistic and to my liking than "for balance reasons a scout will never defeat a battleship" some games and mods do.

Holy torpedo tracking, Batman. Like, none of the Excelsior's or Enterprise's torpedos tracked onto the target and hit. Not sure if that would have made much of a difference or anything... but, dang. Oh, well. Captain Benteen (Leah Brahms' twin???) saved the day!!! Huzzah!

Chance are sulu would with drawl and seek enough help to redress the balance of fire power and protection. That would be the wise thing to do. Their scanners would show how powerful the enemy weapons are

Nice to see the NX configuration for the Excelsior. I LOVE that version of the ship. Yup the Maquis ships are powerful. However Chakotay's ship was no match for a Cardassian Galore.

I would like to see 5 TWoK Miranda against One Dominion war variant Nebula .

5:46 Sulu would only encounter the USS Lakota in another quantum reality

I'd like to see Sulu and kirk vs Picard and the Enterprise D

Captain Keogh thought of the Maquis vessels as "lightly armed shuttlecraft", though I imagine he was referring to the fighters and not the raiders, which should've been much stronger. Even so, an old cruiser should still duff them up. Like a few other ships that we couldn't care to mention, the raider in _Val Jean_ guise could take a fair amount of punishment from Gul Evek's Galor, no doubt thanks to a mixture of B'Elanna Torres's ingenuity and plot armour.

Sulu, and George Takei are two of my favorite people. Not politically, artists are all thumbs when it comes to anything practical.

I can't remember if this has been done but how about we find out how many TNG shuttlecraft will it take to destroy the Enterprise D. Connected or separated both configurations and both ways would be interesting. I do believe that there are some shuttle classes that have photon capabilities. P.S. Love your videos and I hope your graphics card can handle this request haha.

Retro You should do the excelsior VS the Excelsior refit

How about the Cardassian(sp) ships(predominon war refit) vs. the USS Phoenix? I would have loved to have seen that fight instead of just a couple of icons on the D's monitors.

The Maquis Raider looks RIDICULOUSLY overpowered! Put it up against the Kazon carrier AND its 3 escorts, and see what happens.

How about a maquis raider and an Intrepid against a Yeager class ship.

The Maquis need supplies so they go full Robin Hood against the one with the deepest pockets. But can 10 Maquis Raiders make off with the GRAND NAGUS’s latinum???

I think the size and power differential is far too staggering for the Maquis to ever overcome. And besides, who says the Maquis ship has significantly more advanced tech, anyway? They were a ragtag group that struggled to cobble together ships which weren't much (if at all) superior to Danube-class Runabouts.

Love the Excelsior class and her variants Wabi-sabi design style she is beautiful 😊...great as all ways RB 😀

Poor Zulu. 😢 Retro Badger is evil 😮

Oh my........... does that mean they don't have aft torpedo's anymore if they do have?!

Those torpedoes are overpowered, they shouldn’t have done that much damage to the Lakota’s shields

The game had the Maquis raider way over powered on photon torpedoes, when at best, it should have had only a few at most, more realistically for its tiny size.

a 24th century Maquis raider should own an original version Excelsior. However the Excelsior class was in service for a very long time and had extensive refits over that period so it entirely depends on what weapons and shields its equipped with, an Excelsior upgraded for the Dominion war with 24th Century shielding, phaser arrays and quantum torpeodes etc would be a very different story....

Plays make a video warbird versus Galaxy class but in original Bridge Commander it will be cool to see How you handle original Bridge Commander

Well seeing as the Lakota dominion war refit could easily destroy Sisko's defiant its no surprise it destroyed that criminal's ship. As for Sulu and Kirk's ship losing we are talking about TNG era tech vs. Original series movie era tech. It's no wonder the criminals won.

There needs to be a Maquis class Raider transport ship kind of along the lines of the delta class flyer . Everything the marquis wanted to design a transport ship if they were still marquis.

Torpedoes track better when you increase sensors. Just saying! 🙃

its stupid to assume the excelsior would have never gotten weapons upgrades so of course its gonneloose if its still using movie era weapons

That seems a little unbalanced. I'm not buying phasers having little effect.

and these torpeodes on the federation/maquis raider are micro torpedoes...

I can't believe this.

Phaser dont work as well when a tractor is locked look at the defiant tow that vorcha that was trying to kill them.

Then again this is sulu. Sulu would proabbly cheat somehow. He was known to bend the rules.

No way a maquis raider holds its own against an excelsior class

Excelsior under Sulu would have been around 2292-ish. The Maquis raider, even with more modern weapons, I don't think has the same power output, so the fight should have been harder for the raider. That's my 2 dilithium pieces.

Maybe try it with the commissioned Excelsior and not the prototype/experimental version? Maybe that would make a difference....

How good are the raiders against the galore class as that's what marquis used to fight but they hit and run a lot so guessing galore stronger. You know what to do retro

you know RBG is in trouble when he says I think..... IMO..... BTW ,if Sulu got Cdr Chakotay in StarFleet he was retired and not on the Excelsior... Maybe Excelsior 2.0, rumor has it....TOS to Next Gen/ DS9/Yovager 80 plus years apart... on a side not, before Star Trek Hidden Evil was released to public, i was a Beta Tester... i had cheat codes and it played good... 25 yrs ago...

if the proxima got its arse handed to it by the raider, then excelsior stands no chance

Is it me or does the raider look a little like a klingon bird of prey...

Hmmmmm... 🤔 The Raider, if i remember wasn't very big, and i thought 🤔 they had the less powerful Micro- Torpedoes...

Marquis Raider vs Defiant?

Chakotay vs cpt Garrett

How about 3 raiders vs 1 defiant.....

I'm just curious how such a small ship is carrying 60 torpedoes?

The movie era photons are so slow and inaccurate.

Something isn’t balanced right. I’m gonna go with “mmno…” on this one.

If a connie can survive hits from the doomsday machine, it can beat this crap

That thing was badly overpowered.

This stupid thing was no match for a Gaylor class.