CHALLENGER 2 | R.I.P. Youtube Comment Section (War Thunder 1.87) 

You have died more times with the Challenger M2 in-game than the Challenger M2 has died in its whole 20 years of its active service.

Meanwhile on Wikipedia "During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire, although one was penetrated by an Improvised explosive device (IED). This was, at the time, unprotected by Dorchester armour. The driver was injured. In one encounter within an urban area, a Challenger 2 came under attack from irregular forces with machine guns and rocket propelled grenades. The driver's sight was damaged and while attempting to back away under the commander's directions, the other sights were damaged and the tank threw its tracks entering a ditch. It was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile.[32] The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. One Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.[33] "

Challengers in Armored Warfare, nearly impenetrable from the front, Challengers in War Thunder, penned by everything...hmmmmm.

Be gentle to the tank of tanks. Games mean nothing in real life tank comparison lol

This tank is too fast, the infantry will not be able to keep up with it, it's too big, who designed it, Germans!? it is completely unsuitable for the Trench Warfare, there is no way that it was designed by the British

Do you think Challenger crews always say “A new challenger is approaching” when they show up?

So, the Challenger continues to be broken. Ammo racked when the ammo is not actually hit. Cheers Gaijin. I knew there was a reason I don't give you a single penny.

They made Leo 2A5 really powerful so they can justify every nerf until the tank is worse than a Loltractor.

I dont get it, germany gets the fully kitted Leo2A5 and the british get a challenger without any of the combat packages that all of them received standart issue

-Arguably most well protected modern MBT, even if armour values haven't been publicly released -Has worse armour protection than challenger 1 Gaijin logic 101. The reason why I'm not going to grind down my country's tech tree any time soon.

PHLY! Play the M551 Sheridan using only HE shells... Attempt... *ONE HUNDRED*

My biggest problem with these modern tanks in War Thunder is that the devs are just guessing and balancing the tanks from thin air. No one except top brass really knows what the armor values on these MBT's is. It's still top secret, and could be double what Gaijin put in the game for all they know.

honestly the Chally 2 would be fine if the maps in War Thunder weren't CQC focused. I can see it working well on maps like Maginot and Fulda, but small maps shouldnt even be in rotation for Tier 6 and 7 tanks. They follow completely different design philosophy and doctorine from WW2 tanks and should have their own maps designed.

Isn’t this the same tank that got hit with like 14 Milan anti-tank missiles, kept the crew alive, and was back in action like 6 hours later? The hell is this, Gaijin?

The Leo 2a5 on the live server in its current state would be like having a NFL player go against a peewee youth football team lol

He protecc He attacc But most importantly... It makes teaboos whacc (their meat)

Loving the unloved please Phly F7F Tigercat Fairey Firefly I-16 type 10 Preferably with some historical information

neubaufahrzeurg in top tier?

The genius Devs think the gun mantlet is hollow.

Bearing in mind the armour and I imagine the actual armour layout of this tank is still very much top secret so there’s only so much they can estimate

From what I understand, lots of Challenger IIs in Afghanistan were upgraded with ERA and composite for the lower glasus to protect against rpgs and IEDs. It could definitely use that as a researchable add-on armor modification

Phly: **shoots the hook** Crane: **nothing** *3 seconds later* Other guy: **shoots the hook** Crane: **drops container** >Crane gnomed Phly

The main problem with this tank, is the fact it's in its bog standard state. This tank gets modified depending on what type of terrain it's in, for example in the cities it has a street fighter upgrade, which see it have extra Armour on the hull, sides, side of turret and the big weak spot... There are multiple upgrades for this tank with various Armour upgrades, it's a shame you don't see that street fighter upgrade, because it's cool as f*ck and would be ideal for these maps. Fingers crossed one of the upgraded Armour challenger 2 gets added. It's also a shame they decided to not put the Leopard 2A6 smoothbore Rheinmetall 120 mm gun, but man there are so many various upgrades it's had for all kinds of scenarios... Even the new black night version that came out last year would be cool as f*ck with its active protection system... "Systems allow the tank to detect incoming anti-tank missiles or armour penetrating rounds and automatically launches a counter-explosive to neutralise the threat."

Love the challenger2 used to crew one, i have found war thunder extremely unfair towards the British AFV but this beast with 72 tons of pure death lol

You know Britain suffers when phly is genuinely suprised when something bounces. And when in every other replay he flys around the city going CQC and having fun. But just camps for 5 minutes in this trying to “make” it look balanced.

To be fair UFP of the Chally 2 can stop pretty much any round thrown at it, which makes it a lot easier to find a hull down spot since you only need to cover your lower glacis

The issue comes with maps. The Chally is a long range, hull down sniper and it’s damn good at that job. If maps such as Maginot and European Province would be more common for high tier then the Challenger would be far more effective. The maps in top tier right now simply don’t cater to the Challenger at this moment

The challenger 2 is one of the best mbts (main battle tanks) in the world though it's trash in war thunder...

If they added the black night version of the challenger 2 the game would be over

To my fellow British tankers: you know you could wiggle the turret left and right to mess up the enemy's aim (especially in long ranges)? -Original idea by me (i think)

This is why I dont play ground forces. Being a proud brit I HATE our top tier tanks, they feel like cardboard boxes with a sniper rifle which is so great for urban maps....not lol, I'll stick to air RB thx Gaijin even though Air RB is becoming so dull.

Rip secret documents

It used to be a meme that the only thing that could kill a Challenger 2 tank is another challenger 2 tank.

Proper bias against the Brits... :'( Beautiful tank.

it's bizzar the how the Chalanger is so much more penetrable than the Leopard 2A5. I would have expected it to be just as armored as Leo2A5 you showed in your video the other day.

Challenger 2 irl: Absolutely impenetrable. casually gets hit with 70 rpg rockets and a MILAN missile with little damage. Challenger 2 in WT: Basically a small glass cannon

He Attacc He Protecc But Most Importantly... He Said PH rather than "F" in Chat

The question is, does it sound like the real thing? No, no it doesn't. Even with the sound turned down it should still be bursting your eardrums!

Hey Phly! Can you cover the vehicles that you are yet to try out? Before 1.87 drops? Like the, German M48A2 G A2, Leopard A1A1 (L/44), American T95E1, Soviet T-55AM-1, French AMX-10RC and much more of spaghetti. And we need more videos on Conway, AMX 30 BRENUS, AMX-40, AMX-50, Type 90, Conqueror etc ...

Here's the thing it's in factory form it's not equipped with Dorchester plates and because the Chally 2s armour​ is a state secrets well I don't need to say the rest.

English Modern tanks are some of the best in the wrold yet in this game they make them trash gg Gajin lol

the buildings on Alaska are destructible except for the apartment buildings/ sky scrapers

its worrying for the allies, the chally 2 got gaijined (shocker) and the m1a1 can get lol penned by everything top tier. Germany is gonna be real scary next patch

Gaijin phails to realize that the area around the breech is still just as armored as the rest of the tank. It's like the M60 syndrome, but I guess it is to balance it or something? Having tanks that are unkillable from the front seems lame....

The armour on the Challenger 2 is still classified, Gaijin drawing up imaginary values again.......

did the l23a1 round ever even get fired by the chally 2? Also why is the commander not actually looking through his sights? he's just looking out through the cupola so it's ridiculously easy to kill him, notice no other tanks have the commander in this position. PH to pay respects So they're going to add updated/ more modern versions of these tanks in the future, but once they add those then what? There's no more modern tanks to add, unless they add more IFVs, which I'd love to see. They should have focused on more, less modern vehicles because once you get to this level there's hardly any data to reliably represent the tanks stats.

Challenger 2 was designed with long range desert combat in mind. The idea was to have smaller vehicles (like the warrior) engage in brawling warfare, while the Challenger acts as a long distance tank killer.

Phly: Attention to detail. WT: О чем ты говоришь？？

M3 GMC is calling Phly! 57 attempt!

He protecc. He attacc. But most importantly he finally got dat hull armor. Oh and btw this is another late 1990s tank fighting 1985 t80u.

Tactics PHLY....behind cover, spot, push out, fire, pull back, reload. A tank is not supposed to get hit in general, thats why real life crews always move after shooting, Incoming shells cannot change flight path if you are not on the same spot anymore

Lol that cement block on the crane wouldn’t have fallen in wot 😂😂😂💀

sadly it still feels like the worst 10.0 tank only usefull on 10% of maps in 10% of situations

Gaijin hates Britian, its expected by this point.

The problem with warthunder's armor model is that it doesn't take into account the suspension as added armor in the sides.

One thing I've noticed in war thunder which is a big problem with war thunder is a lot of the weak spots on tanks wouldn't actually be weak spots in real life due to the mechanical parts of the tank and other things. Especially around the gun on the challenger 2, in real life you have the stabalisers and some elevation mechanisms which are heavy duty meaning a round going into that area would most likely end up stuck or not fully penetrating.

I wanna see Ariete. The Italians stuff has been far more interesting. And here is hoping for Leclerc!

I feel like the Leopard 2a5 will be alone at 12.0

British high tier tanks is gaijin's way to express how much they encourage camping

To be fair, all these ultra-modern tanks are really fantasy - we have no idea what the real performance of the armour or weapons would be as these are classified.

Its 00.50 AM here, but fck it tho. Love you phly!!

Nice memes, you can clearly see the protection flaps in an upward position next to the gun, this hate against Britain by gajin is just unreal

That Abrams knew what's up at 8:25. Lol

The nicest thing is that the TAM for speed, armament and versatility is eaten raw the Challenger 2.

Phly, please play the StuG III G Attempt #144

Damn if it isn't a beautiful tank though.

I love your voice Phly, ite so recognizable, and it's so distinctive compared to other voices I've heard in my life! You always cheer me up when you start talking all hyped up and confident!

I currently have the Hunter, and I’m trying to grind through the meteors, but I just wish I had something to look forward to. I want Gaijin to care about Britain.

Who else is grinding tge freebrumz before the update cuz after it gets moved they wont be able to get it

How to play the challenger hide and dont move ahahaha.

Absolutely no one has mentioned the fact that there's not a single kinetic round in game that can penetrate the Challenger 2 Upper Front plate. It's kind of the Hidden monster of the patch this thing is super tanky

I love this tank, literally British Steel lmao, it will be insane when m1a2, leclerc, ariete and t90 join the party too.

A beautiful tank. That turret… mm.

Show the Centurion mk1 some love attempt #4

They really screwed the CR2 over, getting taken out by a TAM (a Argentine/German joint project 105mm gun) In one incident a CR2 was hit over 70 times by RPGs and it was still rolling with scratches, another 1 Milan ATGM and 14 RPGS still functioning under it's own power with just optic damage, another was damaged by a IED resulting in serious injuries to the driver and minor to another crew member but the vehicle was repairable and improvements have been made, another CR2 was struck by an RPG 29 it went through the lower plate ERA took half the foot of the Driver who was still able to drive the vehicle to an Aid point (not a good outcome obviously) but the tabj was still operable... The only time a CR2 has actually been destroyed was a friendly fire incident in Iraq and a Breach explosion on a training exercise... This tank in game should be better represented IMO not as a biased one but one that's supported by RL incidents, also there's no BV modelled wtf

I don’t know how Gaijin can say this is balanced when the Leopard 2A5 is as stupidly powerful as it is. We’ll see when it goes to the live server

Attempt # 50. Play the endangered species the Churchill black prince. Such a rare senery to see.

Well although it currently sucks on the dev server I can take heart in the fact that only one Challenger II has ever been lost in combat and it was another Challenger II that killed it, another took a MILAN and several RPGs (-7 model I believe, so maybe not the biggest threat) and was in combat again hours later whilst another spent hours being pelted with over 70 RPGs (again, -7 because Iraq) while stuck in a ditch, again surviving more or less undamaged. Take this vs the Abrams which is basically Pre-Wet-Rack-Sherman-Mk.II on the Likely To Ignite chart. I think the current problem on the dev server is that the BV is not modelled, so it is currently not performing at its best. TEA! COLONIALISM! FNAHFNAH!

I don't expect too much accuracy in this game, but this isn't even in the same cricket field of the real tank in terms of armor, the whole point of the tank is you have a fat chance of penning it.

Well done Gaibbles. I was excited about this one. I swear it's going to be the exact same scenario as the first Challies - not for this gameplay style Gaijin has implemented. (Every freaking time with the Brits.)

Can't wait for warthunder to add lasers, rail guns, plasma guns and warp drives. Be sure to play it when that update drops

if 8:10 isn't in your 2019 funniest moments comp I'm unsubscribing. jk about the unsubscribing part.

>base challenger and abram armour figures on export models >base the leopard 2's figures on the real ones leaked by the Swedish government >"huh, why does the Leo 2 have 10x the armour of any other thank?"

while i don't want to start an argument about chally armour, what i will say the turret rotation is botched to hell 9 seconds to do 360 degrees and it should be given the ability to fire L27A1 (Basically a improved L26 which has a larger length to diameter ratio making it more effective) aside from that i don't see the chally having too many problems give it these two things and it will actually become pretty scary imo

Can you do the T-80U

Gaijin said that the armor stats on the Leopard 2A5, M1A1 and T90 are wrong...

I feel like the Chally 2 hull-down with its gun fully depressed aiming at you will be near impossible to kill.

Oh yea im so happy about the new supersonic jet for the brits....oh wait....:(

Challenger 2 IRL is probably one of the best tanks in the world. In war thunder... nah u good

Tea launcher

well if it was a challenger 2 with dorchester, dorchester 2, or TES armour upgrades, it would be a different story

"Don't stop me now" challenge: Take any tank that has a top speed of 30+ km/h and set CC to MAX for the whole game. Attempt 2

Just asking, how can they add the challenger 2 when the armour values are classified? I’m pretty sure they’re supposed to be secret?😂

Why does my keep comparing it to the 2a5 when the Armor on it isn’t right 🤷🏾‍♂️

Ahh good, can carry on my play through of hard mode for the time being. Having a good record in the thing is an object of pride, as you got there through skill, not just having a better tank. It would be nice if they gave it it's ESS and Battle pack though, and sorted out the fuel fires, and the suspension and regenerative steering and maybe lap loading for a maxed crew. Besides, now that things have already moved past it, they may suddenly find the turret rotation speed of the Vickars 7/2 and be able to add that. Then all Britain needs to be competitive will be helicopters like the Lynx, decent AA like the Sabre, a light tank like the Scorpion, the Javelins proper payload, flight model & missiles and a supersonic jet like the FD-2 and they'll be up to scratch with certain nations two updates ago lol.

The gun breach weakness shouldn't be there, it should be a >500mm composite plate in front of the breach so all the crew should be fine if it gets hit there.

have you watched SkotishKoalas video about top tier jets?

You very diplomatic about it but this tank is trash

I don't know but shouldn't it be protected by chobham instead of rolled homogeneous armor? I might be wrong tho

Patiently waiting for the Leclerc to be added to the game. The AMX-40 seems like a decent tank, but it doesn't compare to the others, especially since they're all more modern.