Changing a Traction Motor on an AC6000 

That's what they do when not in a shop to fix it properly.

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My local autozone is out of traction motors but has plenty of traction axles

@@maximumhardcore4362 My local auto one are a bunch of clowns😷😷😷😷

@@DavidGurrney7589 same haha

yeah wtf

That's what I was thinking! I don't know anything about trains but the part that went in didn't look like that part that came out 😂

you beat me to it, Ernest

Impressive!

@ETOPSOf course, the most efficient option was to install a non-working axle until the locomotive could be taken to the shop. My remark was about the non- truth that said they changed a traction motor.

That motor and axle is roughly 10,000 lbs (more or less depending on model). I've hauled several over my career.

A lot of copper in that motor, must be expensive and its not a "large dozer" lol its a regular bucket dozer you see on most construction sites in America, good scooper. An average dozer is a D9 D8 close to 50 tons and its also common, a large Dozer is 100+ tons , this is a consumer grade scooper haha , pretty common to find Here you have pipe line equipment used to lift and a scooper all of those are cheap and easy to find with exception of the equipment installed on the pipeline dozers, those cables and motors are expansive.

@@aleksankazakov D-8s are only about 20 ton (40,000 lbs) while the D9s average 50 ton (100,000 lbs) depending on attachments. But yeah, the dozers in this clip were not too terribly large when measured against the weight of that power unit. Kinda reminds of a pair of pickup trucks attempting to pull a loaded 'pup' trailer loaded with lumber.

@@katawa5268 The whole operation is relatively cheap, the reason I comment on it because some make a big deal about it, they use outdated equipment, basically whatever they had laying around. These pipe dozers are out of 70s so no need to say how a bucket loader is overwhelmed by a 5 ton motor assembly.

@@aleksankazakov The other overlooked tidbit was the reach of the sling while lifting. That same weight lifted within a foot of the body would not have caused so much sway as this. Or, had there been a tail mounted counter weight the whole lift would have been more stable as well.

The thing that impressed me the most was how you could tell that everyone knew exactly where *not* to be during each phase of the operation. Like, you can see in the video how people are taking really wide routes around when they're walking to avoid crush zones

Those guys are crazy good with it too man.

beer o' clock

+hawkeye0248we had hand and finger signals between the crews that worked in the engine room on ship in the ship yard because of the noise.

+hawkeye0248 You can tell a lot about their professionalism from the way they communicate. I saw one re-railing video where the men were yelling and whistling at each other over a lot of engine noise, absolutely disgusting.

+Salvatore Shiggerino Thanks for the info

Gang signs..... LOL!!!

me too

I worked for CSX and saw them fix a yard derailment lickety split. From the time of derailment 'til they got there was less than an hour. It was an amazing ballet to watch them at work.

Back in the olden days, we used to rerail minor mishaps in the yard with our own people and equipment. But after they cut the forces to the bone, contractors became the way. The contractors are good at it now.

They also take work away from railroaders

fucking contractors

@@TheNemosdaddy A job is a job. I'm sure Corman pays pretty well.

lol.. it gets you in man.

No joke

Didnt plan on doing that did you? You're not the only one lol

@@AVG336 I didn't plan on working there for 20 years, lol.

I used to operate one of those, they can pick up about 6 tons, so that must be about what that axle was.

Plus he was reversing towards the rails, that made the dozer tip a little.

I just applied. Coming from the service tech Dept. Seeing how things go. Car restoration would be my go to, got an 82 four eyed fox body(mustang) I'm trying to restore. Imo, just try applying. 🤘

How many traction motors are there? And why did they reinstall with dummy wheels on this locomotive? Those traction motor wheels must draw one helluva lot of amps when there working, don't they?

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It would be interesting to know the repair cost that R. J. Corman charges

Oh about a buck, three eighty-nine.

Shane vanWinkle

Marion Van Peer reviewed

Very well said.

Azdrtdog Guru of go. You are right, there is a much serious more problem.

It must have been serious for them to leave this unit blocking a major single track line all night.

Having worked for GM at the Locomotive plant in London when it was open I can comfortably say you are spot on with your call.

I agree, they did not put a drive assembly back in, only an idler.

Ditto...

100% skilled crew.

change traction motors in a snap!

I used this trick yesterday on my Dash 8

Lol

I'd rather fly in a Dash 8 than in a Max 8. :-/

Yup! This loco weighs around 430,000 pounds. Lifting one end gives you roughly half, which is a good estimate because they try to balance the weight on each of the two bogies when they design locomotives.

@@BenjaminEsposti It is pretty amazing how they make it look like they are changing a tire on the side of the freeway! LOL. Now imagine that a grossed-out 747 weighs close to 875,000 pounds, -and it flies! It is simply amazing what we can do, -isn't it?

@@ratman5727 Except when it involves a 737-MAX.

Dear its not possible to lift traction motor up

Yes just so they could get it into the shop for a swap with a new motor .

Good catch. The title was misleading.

They certainly know how to handle their business

Walmart!

He had lymphoma, he lived a long time after diagnosis, undergoing years of treatment for it.

Well,,kind words.I was a master fabricator/machinist in logging. My favorite beast was the 124 Madill cable yarder .Big beast,high maintenance and depending on operators(engineers) many parts to be made. There is a down side to retirement .

@@DeanLorman That's the truth!

@@buddyclem7328 Without a different direction I don't think I would survive retirement !

I totally agree. I was an equipment operator in the Seabees until my retirement. I miss playing with my toys. But I still get to be around them from time to time hauling a cement tanker in my civilian job. Still not the same thing, though.

Mr. Reynolds, I agree it would be interesting to see. I worked for Hulcher, a few years, err, I mean a few decades ago. At that time you would remove the counterweights, counterweight rack, boom, and all the slings, chains, and hardware for transport. I seem to recall it would take around 30 minutes to rig up two tractors. Each tractor has a lowboy to haul it, plus another tractor/trailer for all the extras. As I recall the counterweights are like 15-20,000 pounds.

I work for winters Rigging and Bradley is correct....we do the same work in derailment....25-30 min to set up and tear down two low boys,flat deck and crane truck and box truck to haul all the chains and books.

I can't believe you can eat off the undercarriage of those rigs

MegaJohnhammond I'm going to go run out to the first train I find with my 6 ton bottle cap Jack and do this myself

I'm jealous.

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+jim smith 12,500 pounds is really not that heavy in the big picture of things.

+eifeldude1 Of course there are things on the globe that weigh a 100 tonnes. Doesn't mean that 12500 pounds isn't heavy. Such a weight needs very heavy lifting equipment, and people need to be very careful. 12500 pounds won't stop for a microsecond for a bit of flesh and bone.

DC traction motors are 12,500, the AC traction motors are 15,000

+peetre "Lefty-loosey, Righty-tighty!"

+peetre I was thinking the exact same thing.

+peetre yes, yes... sometimes it helps to loosen a tight bolt by tightening it just a bit, then backing it out.. To those who don't do this kind of work it may sound strange, but it does help sometimes.

+hwoods01 it definitely makes sense. work on cars and trucks. gotta bust a nut somehow😉

Hahaha glad I wasn't the only one

+William Taylor If that was in fort Montgomery ny it is a hard area to work at the bottom of a big hill/ mountain along the Hudson river single I think in that area, track heavy usage by freight & passenger . It is just above the fort / school West Point. I thought it is a major train usage along with another track on the other side of the hudson river. I would think taking a chance of derailment would not be smart.

I agree if they couldn't if they had to do the damn work in the field get it movable they had to do the work in the field to get it movable sometimes you got to spend the money commit to get the damn things doneyou have to be able to move it to get it back in to get fixed if it won't move you got to do the work in the field simple as that

H thing that surprises me is how they let it out of the yard with one wheel with one wheel locked up somebody did not inspect things properly I bet you

Guessing, took it to be rebuilt and just stuck the temporary in .The description is not correct.

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Michael Gillette Ok, so my eyes were not deceiving me. Misleading title it's misleading. 😳

JIGA BACHI Yeah. :(

The phrase "change out a traction motor," does not mean to remove and replace with same. Meaning another traction motor. Change is exactly what they did! They removed the traction motor, most likely because it locked up, and replaced with a wheel set sufficient to allow the locomotive to be moved to a shop facility. I know what I am talking about. I am an AAR writeup inspector for Union Pacific, I have 38 years of service.

yea spending money to keep people alive and from getting injured dumb ass....next time use common sense before you comment like fr....

@@khancrow8212 lmao dude the comment is sarcastic

HOW are you going to do it when the train is not straight? You would lift it and then what? LOL its like saying a car lift in the car shop isnt needed because they could have done it with 2 jack stands just as you would on your own driveway. This is rail they have to have industrial equipment and a bunch of guys they have to pay 10 times of world salary doing exactly same thing but dummer than lets say what they do in China or Europe or South America, On this I agree with you. Yeh they like to spend money, its all ensured by the big corp. $ dollar and backed by the FED but the fact is to hire John is expensive in the U.S. so as the rest because John rather not work and get paid by his own gov getting fair law pay, watching this on RU-vid from home drinking bud light.

@@khancrow8212 Picking up sarcasm requires a certain level of IQ that you haven't reached yet.But it's cool 😂

as long as they don't use harbor freight jack stands

Not really very dirty. Somewhat dangerous, though, especially if the people doing the job don't watch what they're doing. It obviously requires a lot of training and a good safety culture. (Having a 5-ton motor, or a 500-ton locomotive, dropped on one can be injurious or fatal.)

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***** This might be a silly question, but are there trucks that could carry that loco back to the shop? I think there are flatbed trailers that can transport tanks, and they are pretty damned heavy, themselves.

ExBruinsFan It is likely that the traction motor seized, or suffered some other serious mechanical failure, otherwise it could be electrically isolated, and the locomotive could continue on to a repair facility. As concerns a truck hauling the locomotive away; such a thing is not possible for many reasons beyond not being able to get the locomotive up onto the truck, even if such a truck did exist. The largest piece of military armor weighs but a fraction of a locomotive's weight. The machine that is the subject of this video weighs more than 400,000 pounds. By comparison the heaviest Abrams tank tops the scales at a paltry 136,000 pounds. The locomotive is ten feet wide and approximately fourteen feet tall. Loaded onto even the lowest low-boy type trailer, it would never be able to transit the roadways and clear all the necessary obstructions which are designed to a gauge that allows passage of standard semi-trucks and an occasional slightly oversize load, but nothing on the scale of a locomotive atop a trailer which would be massive enough to carry it.

Notice when they dragged the assembly out the wheels were dragging which means it was seized up or close to it. An idler axle will be fine for getting it to the shop where it's easier to work on the trucks. No point in a contractor changing out the motor when they will all probably need inspection.

Not if the motor has seized. If it's seized, as it appears it has in the video, it's not doing any kind of coasting, and may in fact cause further damage to the locomotive and the rails it rides on

all depends on what the problem was

Not a locked axle

Im sure they woulda tried to upsale with a special order filter they have to ship from California..😁

@@windwhipped5 Too Funny.. But true..

I'm no train expert, but I'm guessing they pulled a bad motorized axle and replaced it with a free spinning axle so the bad motor would cause drag and more damage to the motor. This was a quick fix, a new motorized axle would be installed later. As it is, the train can continue on with partial power.

Anyway, the title is not correct.

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Mishn0 ff

Yea it was balanced and rotated

easydoz1 Not a D-8. That's a bulldozer. A 977 Track Loader is what they used to lift the traction motor wth. Not the same tractor by a long shot.

easydoz1 Not a D8

Chris Irvin : Your BROEING as FUCK,

When I worked for Santa fe as a locomotive machinist we would just with a laborer or another machinist and cut the lube box huck bolts remove the pans and cut the pinion shaft. It would then be moved to Barstow LMIT where I worked to get a traction moter. A lot cheaper then 8 guys and equipment fees.

Meant to say we would go out with a laborer or another machinist so you had a second person incase of an emergency and they could also hand tools underneath. Laborers didn't do the work.

Wow what a revelation, now everything is perfectly clear.

You should have written "should have", but there's none of us perfect.

The traction motor _does_ get "replaced" in this video... just, not with another traction motor (they use a plain axle instead). They probably figured it would be safer and easier to install a new motor in the shop rather than in the field.

"You can have it if you can lift it" then go crack a beer and watch

I HOPE he got a big pay bonus and I bet they probably drew straws to see who does it. ( LOL )