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I thought it was funny the opening scene for the movie he’s aiming at a kid holding some weapon and talking to himself “please drop it” and having this moral dilemma. That didn’t happen in the book he wrote lol he actually said something like “I don’t care who it is. I’m here to kill the bad guys”
Here's what's fucked up right, so I've been watching some interviews with navy seals, and one of them is a pretty big podcaster now, his name is Jocko. Jocko was there and he new Chris Kyle. The whole part where a seal gets shot in the face and later dies in surgery is all a true story. That was the first navy seal casualty in Iraq. This was a pretty big deal. The guy who's portrayed in the movie as kind of a dick cause he doesn't wanna go kick doors, his name was Marc Lee and he was beloved by the whole platoon or whatever. There's also a mini doc by history channel about this where all his teammates testify that he was the bravest among them, he was a machine gunner. I thought it was funny and pretty fucked up that in this millitary propaganda movie they totally assassinated the character of another seal who probably was a much better person than Chris kyle. Also what's funny is they cast a blonde guy for his part when he looked hispanic in real life.
What are the odds that the guy killed Kyle because, while shooting guns, the guy very predictably had an episode and Kyle, in all of his well-known sensitivity, started making fun of him and telling him to stop being a pussy?
This guys description of going to the grocery store after being in Afghanistan and having a panic attack, is almost verbatim to what happened to my brother when he got home from prison.
I was about to comment on how strong this seemingly mundane occurrence hits. There really is some solid insight to be found in this ep, beyond the standard tear down. I hope your brother is doing well.
They tried, but unfortunately I was really busy that week and we couldn't make the timing work. Still happy to come on Chapo if you'll still have me dry boys!
Even in the backwards world where American war criminals aren’t fair game for targeted assassination, where it isn’t perfectly legal to murder them, there are text messages Kyle sent where even he states “this guy is nuts” I believe the guy was also diagnosed with PTSD and mental issues. Absolute travesty of justice. The guy shouldn’t be in prison, he should have got a medal and a cash reward for his service (killing war criminals) and his meds and psychological treatment should be covered for life and he should live out the rest of his days at a gold star treatment facility in Hawaii.
@@ItsOgre I still maintain that Kyle was killed because he started making fun of the guy and calling him a pussy after the guy predictably had an episode while shooting guns.
Adam Sandler is doing another Safdie Bros film where he plays an Ashkenazi Mohel in Brooklynn. It's called American Snipper. Also, a new Pixar film about Marjory Stoneman Douglas's relationship with a community of lovable alligators. It's called American Snapper.
At least American Sniper had an ounce of cinema aesthetic you could appreciate. Lone Survivor looks like it was written by a committee of military recruiters and Dinesh D'Souza.
Hilariously, they're really not all that different in terms of ideology. Two right-wingers religious nutjobs who both came to a war zone because they wanted an excuse to kill people
@@liammarra4003 well if you knew the statistics on the ASVAB, SOF guys tend to have some of the highest scores in the military. If you don’t know, SOF just means all the special operations people, including SEALs.
Oh my god I also just remembered (whether it's in the book or not) about the time Kyle said he punched Jesse Ventura because he was dissing the troops.
Re: the pep boys discount It reminds me of when I was on my brothers bachelor party in Vegas. One of his friends was a captain in the army rangers. We went to this hilariously seedy strip club (at the time we arrived there was a troupe of clean up dancers. Literally dancing around like strippers while mopping the stage). There was an $8 cover charge, but for veterans, they would knock it down to $5. Wow - thank you for your service indeed. Not even a free bud light?
26:13 Excerpt from book American Sniper: "I had trouble holding my tongue. At one point, I told the Army colonel, “I don’t shoot people with Korans-I’d like to, but I don’t.” I guess I was a little hot." You'd think it would be more effective to shoot people with bullets.🥁 [crickets] Is this thing on?
I remember my worst job experience ever and second job ever after my first was entry level phone repair QA I think I was 17, I worked at a job at a movie theater in Dallas Tx and the theater I worked at was the only theater showing it early and all my coworkers called in except 2 and the theater attendance was so huge they showed the film in 5 different show rooms and the theater is inside the north park Mall but there was more people in the mall for the theater than shopping and the line filled 3 floors. I was not told anything about it and I never heard of Chris Kyle or that the movie was loosely based in real life, I remember many white people leaving crying and I held the doors open for the rows upon rows of people leaving the theater and trying to cheerful wish them a good night and I remember people getting angry for not being sad and telling me how I need to show respect for a fallen hero, I later became familiar with Chris Kyle's achievements, and life and watched the movie and was confused on how someone can watch that movie and act like this man is a hero even with the propaganda, let alone shed a tear
I love how in the movie 9/11 makes him want to go fight...AQ or Taliban...in...Iraq? They just mush it all into one in that movie lol. "I watched the towers burn so I signed up to go to Iraq". Lmao.
matt is the only one of them with good political analysis. chapo should just become a left shitpost movie/tv pod and the professor can do cushvlogs/inebraited past, boom
Intelligent people watch Eastwood's war movies and think, "Wow, I'd never want to be in that situation. War sucks. Even if you're a 'legend', it still warps you." Impressionable young men watch and think "Wow that's awesome I can't wait to sign up." There were several key moments in the movie that lay bare the exploitative ulterior agenda of the war and at best "morally ambiguous" nature of that endless incursion. It's not the most blatant anti-war movie, but that's sometimes necessary to get a point across. If your agenda is obvious, people block it out or dismiss it from the beginning. Eastwood's narrative is more subversive. Inherently this means some folks will need it explicitly spelled out for them, which is why Eastwood explicitly stated it is an anti-war film. What's unfortunate is so many people still romanticize psychotic mayhem, even when the cost is clear for the luckiest soldier. The script could have been better, for sure. But if it was turned into the movie the Chapo crew demand of it, to make it a more strident and blatant anti-war movie, then it likely wouldn't have been made. Eastwood for the most part was playing to his strengths within the framework. Even his WW2 movies emphasize the terrible cost of war more than the triumph or supposed glory of what most consider the most necessary/justifiable war.
agreed. I'm actually a pretty big fan of this movie (full disclosure, I never read the book) because its a pretty solid anti war movie. The main character is pretty much portrayed as having a permanent case of PTSD.
I have a long family history of servicemembers (though i myself have decided to choose a different career path, sorry grandpa Al) And the weirdest thing, is that literally *none* of them had any of those harrowing "i basically survived a COD campaign irl" stories. My great grandad and his brother both fought in WWII, and i hardly knew anything about their time in the armed forces, save for the fact that one was in the navy, and the other the army; with the latter having been in the second wave on Utah beach during D-Day. Crazy stuff. And yet none of them ever talked about it. Maybe it's the cliche "I'll never tell my grandkids about what i saw/did" but who's to say? Following that, i had an uncle who got drafted to Vietnam and served as a medic, and an aunt who was in the army supply corps in the 1990's and guess what? No horror stories! Even from the nam uncle! My aunt, who's now a postal worker, once told me she'd only ever fired a rifle during training. Most veterans of the war on terror i meet often come off as dudebros who went on vacay with little remorse or deeper reflections on their time in the middle east. Save for one, my buddy Tayvon, who didn't even get deployed to afghanistan, and was a tech guy on a base in germany. Shoutsout Tayvon btw, love you man
That's because, from the looks of it, most of your family was lucky enough to be in the "tail" part of the army, eg the logistics/backline/service branches, rather than frontline infantry to be mulched. Of course people who sat in a logistics hub have different stories than those who got shot at.
To be fair, the people that have seen the real shit will almost never tell you they've seen the real shit. I was in one of the worst battles of the Iraq War and I tell 99% of people that all I really did was burn trash in the desert.
Yeah there is some dude bro culture in modern vets because we generally completely crushed Taliban dudes. We would find these dudes instantly with drones and decimate them, so a lot of guys get lax about it That being said your family probably hasn’t told you a lot about the service because you’re 1- not a veteran, and 2- not a combat veteran Combat and war is really weird and complicated, so you’re not going to talk about it to people who think they understand what you’re talking about. The first thing I learned overseas was that there’s a lot of shit I thought I knew that I was completely wrong about
How can this guy say that he wanted to go back to war because his "brain is broken and he knows it", but Kyle went back because of simple bloodthirst? Does he really think there's no overlap there?
I’m sure Francis doesn’t absolve himself of all guilt for being in the army for 20 years. But for some clarity he was a reservist in public affairs. He wasn’t issued a rifle in Iraq and sat in an office. He pretty vehemently opposes the army and what they do.
My cousin was 1st Marines in Fallujah. He was conducting breach and clear throughout a whole block until one Seal Sniper wanted to help clear a 2 story building, my cousin never really got a look at his face with sunglasses and helmet nor really cares anymore but i like to think they crossed paths.
Guest calls the Iraq War “morally ambiguous”. Probably one of the worst guests they’ve ever had. I don’t get why people are saying Felix is being cringe, he’s taking the piss out of this creep. This guy is just nonchalantly talking about how he covered up the rape of children by soldiers, disgusting. He’s bragging about that shit
I had a buddy who watched a RU-vid channel of some tubby pig academy wash-out in casual Kevlar who would watch cctv of shootouts and robberies and give his armchair assessment of the combatants tactical prowess. That guy invoked the sheepdog keeping wolves from the herd metaphor often, fancying himself an oddly wooly collie or something I guess, and there's something missing in this diorama.... the shepherd. Sheep are kept to be shorn and slaughtered.
Love the obese wheezing and grunting in the background throughout the entire podcast. Really makes you feel like you're right there, directly under their open mouths as they breathe
turned my stomach when their military propagandist guest started casually describing how he would cover up the rape and murder of a child by the US military in a tone which says he's done it more than once, and rather than pushing back everyone decided to riff on it?
I mean, that's why he even gave the example. The military is so fucked up that they do this literally all the time. Look at how they address military sexual violence against local people near the US bases in Japan; It's the same script every time, everywhere. This specific kind of example is so incredibly common and prolific that it's not shocking in any way to anyone who's aware of how prevalent US military staff raping / abusing local people around the world is. If they didn't riff on it, it would have just escalated into utter despair. It's not this one guy's fault that this was the job he was given and this is the type of shit which I'm sure has fucked him up permanently forever-- At least he has the moral ability to talk about it and make sure a broader audience is aware of the exact type of horrible shit the US military is doing literally every day, everywhere, and how they bullshit their way through it with the "positive spin PR" so that it never gets taken seriously or addressed in any meaningful way. It's fucked, but everyone knows that, and it keeps happening, and that's the point; If they didn't riff on it, it would just be overwhelmingly depressing and emphasise frustration and outrage that everyone already has about this exact shit. :(
Would you have preferred him not saying anything? Would you rather that an episode focused on how terrible the US occupation is does not have someone who participated in that occupation, and willingly describes how terrible it was, on the show? Or do you just not like hearing icky stuff?
@@effluviah7544 Don't most people who join the military come from economically depressed communities? Dunking on your average grunt who signed up when they were 18 because they wanted the government to pay for some of their college degree and get out of their deindustrialize shitkicker town is absolutely braindead. Especially considering that any successful leftist revolution requires some level of infiltration of the military rank and file as well as the officer class.
Kyle clearly had that performative PTSD thing going on, too. You can't be traumatized by war when you come home and openly brag (lie) about murdering people during Katrina or at random gas stations for disrespecting you. You can't freak out at a hospital or grocery store but then have to get back to Baghdad as fast as you can just to feel alive again. Long story I'll try to make quick but I've known one guy with this same thing. I've seen many but only known one personally. So, my cousin is married to a good dude that was a marine. He served in Iraq, did some nasty stuff. The guys Kyle watched over? He was one of those dudes. "Kick in random doors in Fallujah and hope nobody is on the other side to kill me" stuff. He never talks about it, you wouldn't even know he was there if you weren't told. His brother? Also a marine. Also served in Iraq and never stfu about it. Was NOT one of those guys. Yet, he became fn Rain Man x Adam Sandler in Reign Over Me the second anyone else mentioned Iraq in any way. Annoyingly so. I met him at my annual family reunion for July 4th. It's more like a week long hippie commune on a large property. A pond, everyone camps out, eats together in the barn, drink and get high all day, etc. On the 4th there are the county fireworks on our property. It rocks (or did when we still did it). This particular year my cousin's husband brings his brother and he's acting like a psycho the entire time. Constantly picking fights with strangers when he'd tag along on beer runs. Then in the car he'd be like "man...I just thought I was back in Iraq for a second...". Really? You thought the gas station was Baghdad? Ok. Then on a canoe trip he got hammered and started screaming at people and crying...and it was just so transparently fake. Even the crying. He was just drunk and doing his "wounded warrior" shtick. During the fireworks, he's fn pacing around in front of like 50-100 people sitting in chairs ranting about how the sound of the fireworks is "fn with his brain, man...it's fn him up man. He's gotta...he's gotta get away from that sound, man...". Why this behavior? Because nobody called him on it and it got him sympathy. It got him benfits. Like, he'd freak out and either get a hug or strangers on their knees thanking him for his service. Everyone knew he was being a clown but like two of my aunts kept consoling him so he kept at it all week. No fn way he thought the planned firework show that he could see with his own two eyes were, fn, secret muj attacks on his FOB lol. Mortars incoming! No chance. Dude was a clown. No, he is just one of many soldiers that didn't do all that much but know they can live the rest of their lives acting like a fn ret*rd and use their service as a Get-out-of-jail-free card. That was Kyle x100. He liked killing. He also loved being the wounded warrior that "gave it all for his country". Was his brain fkd? Yes...before he ever went to war. Dude was a psycho. Even this dude telling about options in a grocery store is moronic. Dude, you lived in America for 20 years. Stop acting like you forgot what a fn grocery store is after a tour in Afghanistan.
Like it really does negatively affect your quality of life and threatens relationships with instability. Anyone with it knows that trying to keep it quiet is a huge part of the struggle, not showing it to everyone.
@@JohnDoe-pm9ip Yeah, not mocking legit PTSD. My cousins husband has it and you know it's real due to how it's handled. His brother - at least at the time - was a clown. Totally different guys.
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Chris's father, being bred like many other young sons of a genteel family, to the profession of Deacon, and there is no doubt he would have made an eminent figure in his profession... had he not been killed in a duel, which arose over the purchase of a Honda Accord.
This dude is talking about what we can do in our everyday lives to make the troops feel better lmao They're lucky they don't all get lined up dude, they deserve to feel bad forever ????
Even from a filmmaking perspective it just sucks. That whole final firefight while they wait for EVAC youre expecting someone to die or get shot. Some kind of negative consequence for Chris killing a man and blowing their cover. But no, all the US troops make it out ok and Chris is the coolest Mary Sue protagonist. He can do no wrong, even though in reality i dont thing he ever did a single thing right.
I actually appreciate that the military guy liked In The Army Now. That movie has always been a little bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I'd rather rewatch it than American Sniper, once was enough for that one
Relatedly, Matt: spinning a piece of brilliant humorous historical analysis Will: let me interrupt to urgently read out another sentence from this dumb op-ed
seems lots of war movies and made like "the style of the movie gives the viewer a real sense of what a shitshow the war was", but actually that just makes it a shitty movie
There was a problem w my Patreon sub so I came here for my fix. I have headphones in at my shop job all day. The amount of commercial breaks is fucking insane. And not 15 second commercials- fucking 15 minute informercial bullshit.
They shouldn't have had that veteran guy there, it drags the episode, they act too respectful with him. I wanted them to torn apart this fucking movie, which is worse than 13 hours by far, at least that was funny
@@kazumahazeuzumaki so only get people on who agree with EVERYTHING we believe? 🙄 The guy tore apart Kyle. And the book. And the film. There's a lot of vets who are now extremely critical of American foreign policy. We need them on our side.
Nah man if you brag about covering up sex crimes, on minors especially you're a piece of shit and shouldn't be associated with. Sure politically don't alienate anti imperialist vets, a votes a vote. but that doesn't make chilling with a war crime cover up artist ok
hate on me if u want but this soldier dude is boring af and made this episode way less funny. constantly chiming in only to talk about his disgusting war stories, confirms every stereotype about army vet guys loll
@@kivsto8130 I said it before on the episode they did on the duelists but he's at his worst when they are talking to a guest who's a lot more knowledgeable than him about a subject and that makes Felix self conscious. He then feels compelled to contribute and ends inserting his go to references like stolen Valor, Dan Quinn, family court etc.
