Character Deep Dive: Stannis Baratheon and the Peach 

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It's easier to not love some people when your senses are numbed by the wine and others overloaded with sex, killing and general fuck-all attitude. Robert really is no1 asshole in the show. So what if Lyanna died, one has to be incredibly stupid and careless to make the mother of his heirs hate him from the wedding night.

@Irish Rover Stannis killed Renly because he was a traitor , love or not he still had to do what was just.

@Irish Rover Robert killed his brothers by ignoring his realm and marrying into a family that broke his apart after they killed him.

Yeah, that's why he abandoned one to die and killed the other with blood magic. But he wasn't aware right? It sure looked to me like he knew what Mel was going to do...Both times. With Renly and Penrose.

@Fianna Renly was a shit spoiled child who betrays his own brother, he deserves what he gets

Donal Noye really got the three Baratheon brothers in that sentence.

It’s funny because iron bends more then steel

@@vinh8464 depends on the iron

It's off a book quote Robert is steel left to rust. Here it is Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He'll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he's copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day

It's also abit ironic and kinda proves the point that loads of people seem to have this certain view to Stannis but none of them knew him as well as Davos knew him. Stannis has bend many times in the books especially during the northern cause

Including burning his own daughter at the stake and burning his own loyal men for not supporting a hostile foreign religion. Stannis is a piece of shit.

@@BelleroseQC *ahem* show only stuff. He burns people in the books but one of the most famous examples, Lord Alester Florent, was for him basically saying treason, in supporting and making peace with an illegitimate government that was only good at military victories, as it was tearing the entire nation apart. He burned people when there was a purpose. Like they were evil or outright breaking the law. He hasn't and won't burn his daughter in the books, it just doesn't make sense

I don't buy that. He wanted the throne. He was way to rigid to not want the throne. Take jayarvaman the 7th of khmer empire. He literally just gave his brother the throne to prevent a war and the suffering of the people. Yet when the empire was aflame and his brother dead, in his 60s he took his duty bailed on his vows and became the greatest king theg ever had ruling for 30 years into his 90s. THAT is a man who values duty but didn't want the throne. Some part of Stannis felt the throne was whaghe earned and he wanted it.

lol thats a cool interpreation. funny

But it's also a positive trait of him to not give any fucks about what anyone says - he is SURE it is his duty, and he is determined to perform it, no matter the opinions of others. It is hard to have this level of confidence and determination.

We're all the main character in our own stories

"There's still time" ~ ser Jaime (in regards to how he will fill the remaining pages of the book of brothers

@@jackjennings1707 Nigga, I'm the villain of mine.

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Ramza Beoulves another show that does an AMAZING job at that is House MD

House MD another show I love 😊👌💖

Welcome to season 8.

Season 8 : hold my cup

+ivanbluecool well played

Its only fewer when in plural, dummy...

It’s actually less in that case since video is singular.

Wait a minute, isn't fewer used for plural words...

@@kapitan19969838 True that. I feel bad that ivan didn't understand why Stannis corrected Davos.

you are too kind. for real. thank you tho!

I feel like stannis should be Azor ahai. Anyone but jon traitor spawn, snow lol

@@abzi03 dont know about azor ahai but he definitely should not be killed until he atleast gets to meet or participate in the eventual battle with his opposite, Euron Greyjoy.

In the books it's rather implied that he is either dead or captured by the Bolton as they send a message to Jon Snow saying they had defeated his armies.

@@Sir-Pleiades yeah but the pink letter is hugely speculated to not have been written by Bolton.

@@Sir-Pleiades The likelihood of the letter actually coming from Ramsay is slim if you compare the text in the letter and the physical letter itself to the other letters Ramsay sends in the series. I don’t know who sent it and for what purpose (you can read the myriad of theories online about that) but I personally believe Ramsay didn’t send it, and if he didn’t send it I find it unlikely that Stannis is actually dead. Stannis is a force of nature as a character and a very creative and devious commander. Notably he does not seem concerned or desperate at all about his circumstances of being “trapped” starving next to the lake, and he locks himself in a tower supposedly planning. Stannis has got some tricks up his sleeve, that’s for sure. Roose, Ramsay and Hosteen Frey cannot compare to the unrivalled strategic mind of Stannis. And the Northerners in Winterfell that aren’t Bolton men are mutinous. I’m surprised a band of Hornwood men haven’t already poked Ramsay full of holes for the atrocity he committed on their Lady.

I absolutely despised Selyse,she never showed any kindness towards Shireen 😢

Read the books. Stannis says if I don’t make it you put Shireen on the throne. They did him dirty with showing him burning his daughter. Book Stannis would never

thanks, Anythony =))

Yup. So tragic. I wish the show had included that bit

That's is only in the show. Looks like they made her do that just to put Stannis more cruel

+Living My Rhapsody was going t wait until Monday but decided to get it up today with the aim of getting game of thrones videos eveery mom and Thursday at the least... working on prediction 4 right now. Hopefully done by tomorrow afternoon :)

+Living My Rhapsody I ended up adding in stannis final "duty" with brienne as well as shireen singing and stannis apologizing to close out the vid :)

bridge4 that was a really powerful ending 😢

bridge4 when I saw the post from you I was surprised to see the video so early. Ah, but what a treat😆😄😎 They are getting better and better. You keep adding extra things, like music, clip transitins, on top of the impeccable scripts and outstanding reasearch. 😎

the transition and sound with the new clips is a little choppy, but im over this video lol. wanted to get it off my mind, because reviewing it takes foreverrrr

+Luna Luni donal noye. Storms ends former armorer before the black :)

thanks, Connie =) #keepsmiling =))

Hate how they portrayed him in the shows.

its because of the middle child syndrome

thanks, Mary! stannis was a beautiful person :-P ok, well maybe not exactly. but davos and shireen sure are =)) ... or were... too soon?

Awesome thanks! Look forward to chatting with ya :))

that bitch was going to spread grayscale to everyone! Her or patchface... She had to die; plus she would have anyway :D or been raped to pieces by the boltons. OMG SHE COULD HAVE GIVEN THE BOLTONS GRAYSCALE! He should have just shipped her there to begin with

thank you, ser!

He had his reasons to burn her even though I'm sure the real stannis wouldn't have

just classic J.R.R. Martin showing versions of ourselves in every character

Fewer.

Lol

He wasn't pointless. His rein and actions affected others. He did his duty.

@@walstib4945 not really seeing as shpw Stannis is very different to book stannis. The show stannis is more potrayed by d&d than George

For sure

@@bridge4 yet he allowed the red woman to burn her to death. The most horrific death in the series. I can't watch it again to this day.

@@WillNelson73 that was some d&d invention, the real Stannis from the books would have never done that.

@@csanchezt And he would never kill Renly

@@balazs.bence300 Would he not? Or would he, I cant decide if you mean to undermine their comment or you already agree with my reasons below and are giving him props... Renly was his enemy in his eyes. Stopping him from doing his duty to become king through his (Renly's) own actions. Neglecting the duties as befit the youngest brother. But a brother still. Shireen was innocent. They differ greatly in Stannis eyes (and mine) I think. I also believe that even if Stannis *had* to kill him, hed rather have it in battle or after a fair trial. Which what he and everyone else ecpected would come to pass inevitably. At 13:51 its clear that he feels uneasy at what may have been done with his help by Melisandre, Im not sure he knows what precisely happened at that time and I am very sure he would not have chosen to muder his brother like this if given the choice.

i couldnt agree more. Stephen Dillane did amaaaazing!

bridge4 also, wanted to say I LOVED this, I agree that this is the best Stannis breakdown I've seen. Such a simple yet complicated character.

What does Dillane think about his job exactly?

Stephen Dillane just played himself, who happens to be very similar to Stannis. He probably struggles with acting, since every time he has to read a line he wouldn't say himself, he thinks "a lie. Take it out."

He did! I love that guy for it.

or add the line ''the war will continue while Stannis is alive, the man will figh beyond the bitter end.''

That would have been some of the best plot points & conversations for GoT...Stannis & Tywin, Wow. Let's not forget, Randal Tarley. Also a man of honor, duty & a great war strategist. The only one to beat Robert in battle. Those 3 would've made for great show scenes.

I'm with yall. Great idea

If a prequel series explores the Battle of The Trident, this could happen.

They would just argue eventually yelling at each other ending with cold glares

I can buy that

Duty > Honour

@@dale27488 Duty is not greater than honour. Soldiers may do their duty by following a corrupt command, honour is soldiers refusing the comand knowing they will be punished for it.

@@richarddrapeau7599 Honor is naive, duty holds nations together.

@@nicholasoneal1521 Not necessarily. Honor can be nieve, but it is not a requirement. Blind honorless duty leads men and nations to ruin, if after a brief victory.

hear, hear!

bridge4 Lowkey was more sad about Stannis death in the show than I was with Jon's death, lol!

Stannis the Mannis, the one true King of Westeros and a man who knew his grammar.

Alpha Raptorhunter me too straight hard ass honor born man

He was very stupid though.

Did anyone else catch the literary homosexual symbolism in that gesture as well? Renly really loves eating those juicy, Highgarden peaches 😋🍑

Yes.

@@Mrhappytofu97 wtf man.

RAWR XDDDD

Australiantatious lol

Simian Stareyes For all the weight they are given, last words are often as important as the first.

Wow! Nice catch and for him, there could not be a more poetic or fitting ending. Nice.

YodaWithASoda you should be fucking ashamed of yourself mate

end of game of thrones

Or Stannis hadn’t left after Jon Arryn’s death but stayed in Kings Landing and brought men with him -

Shit the series would have ended before it even began

That's an interesting theory, but given the treachery of the Lanisters I don't see how that would have changed anything in a substantive way. The Starks would have gone on searching for the culprit in their son's attempted murder. I wonder how Robert would have managed that with Stannis as Hand.

@@eddarby469 if stannis was his hand they would have never gone north and bran wouldn't have been pushed out the window.

they also wrote in that good joke about "cats. i never liked cats. but we ate them" lol

bridge4 yeah lol. Great video btw I miss show Stannis a lot now

me too. he was awesome thank you btw

@@bridge4 Didn't GRRM write that episode, Blackwater, where the cats thing was mentioned?

@@DysnomiaFilms yes grrm is a legend

For sure. He was awesome

He must have meant in the context of the ENTIRE story (Is he a hero or villian? type of thing), because he sure nailed the character and his inner workings and core.

That is why he did such a good job I think. Stannis didn't know what he was supposed to be either. He lost himself piece by piece playing a game he hated

Dilane kept losing himself piece by piece playing in a show he never loved. Stannis kept losing himself piece by piece playing a game of politics and intrigue he never loved.

@@bullthatsalive9111 reading those books before typing on the internet wouldn't hurt you

Ned - "I kept my promise, Lyanna"

"You're the smartest guy I ever met, and you're too stupid to see -- he made up his mind 10 minutes ago... Do what you are gonna do"

Ned - Valar Morghulis

YUR SHIT AT DYING DO YU KNOW DAT

Darius hanks death hit me man

Casually sacrifices his lovely daughter

lol. thanks, Ser Kurt. miss ya, brotha!

Possibly. I put more faith in the maesters over what may just be hearsay to val. Only time will tell tho

​@@bridge4 The north remembers.

I think Melisandre is going to burn Shireen alive to "wake the Stone Dragon" as her prophecy foretold, only to find out said "Stone Dragon" is actually Shireen's dormant Grey Scale, a diseased that petrified the skin if it's victims (Stone) and feared for its ferocity and uncontrollability (Dragon). I just don't know how a sudden epidemic South of the Wall would gel with everything else going on.

"Stannis the Mannis gets such a bad rap in the show" -- he is quiet popular in the show

@@Chemicalkinetics I think they're referring to the little fact where he burned his own daughter alive in the show, which has permanently painted him as a villain amongst a lot (if not most) show fans.

@@Chemicalkinetics He's hated in the show lol they put the villain on him

@@abzi03 Let me rephrase. He is hated in the show, but he is beloved by people who watch the show. I see everywhere many people post comments how much they love Stannis.

In the books he will survive and he will be the main strategist that will stop the army of the dead. He may die in that battle but he will defend the human kind from extinction.

He didn't get any support from northern houses in the show...

@@hpkentangreviewer5487 But he did in the books. The Mountain Clans, Glover, Mors Umber, and soon Manderly and perhaps Howland Reed

@@rajesh-yp7xx I was talking about the show, not the book

@@rajesh-yp7xx u forgot karstarks

@@hpkentangreviewer5487 honestly after season 8, fook the show!

Affected you more than Oberyn's death ?

@FBI Damn. I was literally shaking after Oberyn's death. Not the same after Shereen's death. Although I was upset they ruined my favourite GOT character (Stannis) so badly.

great post. unlike most tho, i dont think he last too long in the books. i think shireen gets burnt there as well :( (maybe her life pays for jons?)

bridge4 I also think that. But I mean the thought counts and then Jon uses this as his duty to save stannis and avenge shireen by killing mel and beating the boltons with his army as well

i wonder when that book will come. you just got be so excited lol

Stannis will beat the Boltons. no way Jon can be resurrected, gather an army and march to Winterfell during winter.

Ya Stannis beats the Bolton’s in the books then heads back to the wall. Probably burns her as the last part to become Azor Ahai and marches against whitewalkers

thank you as always, ser!

Question do you think robbert enjoyed having before around more because this being honor bound reminded robbert of stannis when they were growing up? Also stannis is like the part of me I don't like but I feel I need

+Micky Strong Having who around? Ned? Ned was the brother he would've chosen, so maybe if you meant him. Robbert didn't come off as too sentimental to me tho, except for in regards to Lyanna

Micky Strong well king bob always overshadowed Stan in their youth, his eagle flew higher, etc, they weren't really close Their parents sunk in a storm offshore while they watched, and Bob got sent to be a ward at the Vale with Jon Arryn, along with Ned. So they bonded and grew up together as brothers, Ned was the younger brother and Bob was actually kind of similar to his brother Brandon, hot headed, strong, big with the ladies, but he and ned didn't really seem super close, kind of like Bob and Stannis And especially after Aerys killed Brandon, ned definitely saw Bob as his brother.

Stannis was a ward at the vale too? I always assumed he was around cressen at storms end

Good point!

D&D were just looking for a chance to throw him away as soon as possible. Stannis did say "I killed my own brother..." in disgust on the show. He also got sad after telling Davos to lead the fleet to Blackwater Bay, but his facial expression or what he was feeling really was not conclusive for most viewers. GRRM said he had to correct D&D in changing Jeyne Westerling's character's background into someone from Volantis without changing her name to a Volantine one. D&D truly did not care about the story or its depth. Ideas of Ice and Fire on RU-vid said that so many of the actors were complaining about their roles after GRRM left the show (2nd episode of Season 4). Nikolaj Coster-Waldau since Season 4, Euron's actor Pilou Asbæk since forever, I already saw the video of Barristan Selmy's actor Ian McElhinney saying that he tried to convince D&D to keep his character longer, because they all read the books and they understood when D&D were just being lazy. Stephen Dillane did not read the books, but he obviously understood lazy writing when he saw it. Think about how many other characters prematurely died on the show, like Pyp, Grenn, and Mance Rayder. After George left, D&D wanted to liquidate the show instead of handing the reins over to someone who had more passion for the story, and would have taken up on HBO's offer to shoot more episodes and even feature films for the same story. HBO or whoever will own the rights to GoT in the future should get the actors together and shoot the peach part and the conversation about it later, add them to the episodes.

Oh how I wish you were right

my favorite was probably septon meridald's speech about broken men. but the peach is a great one, too!

=))

Ned did his "duty" in everything except agreeing to have the Targarian children murdered. Ned was the best. But, he wasn't an heir to the throne and fully supported Stannis' claim.

@@eddarby469 he didn't agree

ThanKS :)

dude, i just watched your groot video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CNjwTnrs8ww.html that's a really cool type of art. color me impressed!

For sure. Also, he's witnessed her having powers: shadow baby. So combine that with her deception (lleeches) and then claims that the world depends on him, and he's vulnerable to doing bad things believing the are necesary to aave humanity... so tragic :(

+Cardinal Doomsday you're probably right. If now guess they mis-transcribed that grrm quote

He’s definitely right. The word “marshal” doesn’t make sense in that context.

Great show line. That whole scene was gnarly

bridge4 it shows that he has a respect and understanding for honor. He hates and wants to kill Jamie, but he still respects who he is and what he’s done.

Yeh for sure. Stannis is a very unique character, and I love some if the show only lines for him, specifically the one you mentioned. And Stephen dillane casual delivery if it too. So awesome

bridge4 season 8 was a letdown but we can’t just ignore one of the best shows ever IMO it’s 3 after the Sopranos and Wire. I never liked the fantasy genre and never wanted to watch it, but I did and loved it. No matter how it ended it was overall a great show and showed a lot of people who would never thought to pick up a book to do so.

Ah true. Good point!

I think Stannis saw it as a slight though. Well, in the show Stannis does. Its been a while since I've read the books, so its possible he doesn't have a similar mindset in the books.

Also during the targaryen era the heir to the throne was given Dragonstone

@@Omega4Productions that's mostly because Robert has always been hard on Stannis since they were kids. Robert kinda cares for his brothers but he is just very bad at showing it

@@khalduras784 I understand why Robert did it. But Stannis doesn't obviously.

i love her. not just because Davos is my favorite character... but because she was an incredible human so sad. i guess one of the major themes of the story revolves around "children"... unfortunately, she got the short end of the stick :-(

She was good, she was kind, and ya killed her!

i still hear her screams as she burned.

Stannis' defeat and Shireen's sacrifice is fanfiction though. Stannis, Selyse and Shireen were all murdered by D&D.

The moment the show went over the cliff. A terrible scene, almost unwatchable, not just for the horror but for the fact that it makes no sense. No King would sacrifice his own heir. And for what? To change the weather? The whole story line, including the 'Ramsey's 20 good men' nonsense was all rushed and poorly executed, as if D&D didn't know where they were supposed to go with the story. They never liked or understood Stannis and so they devised a haphazard set of scenes to get him out of the story. In the interview after that episode Benioff (I believe) talked about Stannis's ambition and what it got him. Talk about not understanding the character, he was about duty, not ambition. The thing I don't understand is why bother have him burn Shireen? Since he would just go on and lose the battle and die the following episode, why not just let Ramsey kill Shireen? I get the burning was to horrify the audience because at that point in the story D&D seem to have come to believe that 'SHOCK!' was the secret to their success. Why not have Ramsey do something terrible to Stannis's family? Why ruin the character of (TV) Stannis for those of who liked the character. To me the show has never recovered from this move and has been a steady decline to the fan fiction crap that it now is.

Great line!

Davos should have passed Stannis an onion.

I love the fact that the peach haunts him. Like he mentions it several books later it's kind of hilarious.

absolutely. after spending so much time on this, i started envisioning some sort of future videos on best actors, best fit to books, and best show version (better than book). and he would definitely fit the first two imo. one of the best performers by far. and totally nails the book version too i think while making this, i literally thought "i cant imagine another person playing him... this dude killed it"

bridge4 yeah Stephen Dillaine was definitely one of the better performances in the show. Just a shame his character didn’t get the justice it deserved.

He was in another role as cia assistant director in spy game. Very good actor “dam I’m hungry (clicks fingers on both hands)

Miles Stott the new GRRM interview(if its real) gives a small hint Stannis could be still alive) remember he also said in the past (not possible fake) “there is a major plot twist with a major character dead in the show that’s not dead in the books”

bridge4 I liked the seen in which he dictate a letter. In season 1. The one near 4:08. I think that it captures his straight thinking, work with him and live or die

hes not a bastard though. so...

Jon Snow isn't a bastard

@@GiddyGoons Spoiler´!

@@GiddyGoons He also doesn't save the kingdom.

@@WalterLiddy he may now after episode 5