“I can't believe it. After 20 years of imperial peacekeeping, countless legionnaires killed and billions of Septims spent, the Stormcloaks take Skyrim in a week.”
@@jibrilly Imagine a Jewish King and Jewish Messiah coming back to fight for a group of militant Muslims who hate Jews? History isn't your strong suit, is it?
@@joelpierce1453 Muslims believe that King David and Jesus Christ will come again to help Muslims during the end times. It's part of their end of days prophecy.
If the Imperials win, Maven Black Briar becomes Jarl of Riften. If the Stormcloaks win, the Silver-Bloods take control of Markarth. No matter what, some corrupt, greedy family gets a promotion
I used to hate having Maven in power, but honestly she summed it up pretty well. “It’s just a formality.” She was always in charge, having her as jarl just makes that even clearer.
You missed Hulda, the barkeep of the Bannered Mare. She mentions that Stormcloak guards get drunk a lot (she earns a lot more from it) but fights often break out and her property gets thrashed lol
Even though Balgruuf supported the Empire, I would have let him keep his position as Jarl, he was a Noble Man, someone the True Sons of Skyrim could respect
instead of just having a graymane take the throne of whiterun, it should've been that Balgruuf sides with the stormcloaks but enrages his brother in the act of doing so and he is dethroned by him and hrognars supporters and the battle of whiterun would have Balgruuf with the dragonborn retaking his city.
@Johann von Goethe I believe he returned Ulfric's Axe reluctantly, he cares so much of his people so much that he had to sacrifice his relationship with Ulfric, after all, in the real World, Sacrifice is one of the highest Cardinal Virtues of Christianity whose Culture the Elder Scrolls' Relationship with the Nords the Swedes is after, Vignar however is the simulacrum of the pompous traditional utilisable tool of a political figurehead, sacrifice is the embodiment of Virtue which Balgruuf extolled
@@belinda960 *after casting Whiterun into darkness for a whole month:* "So do you now think that maybe it was indeed not Talos but the GODDAMN DRAGONBORN IN FRONT OF YOU that won this battle for you?"
Imagine it, though Heimskr: _generic yelling about Talos_ *everyone nearby gets knocked over, lightning strikes, thirty different dragons appear, houses all set on fire*
@@CoRLex-jh5vx I imagine the Dragonborn is actually a pretty quiet guy (or girl) when not in battle, just so he/she doesn’t brutally murder anyone he just wants to say hi to or accidentally summon a dragon, or slow time, or start a fire, or... you get the point. Like... he’d talk, of course, just quietly. Librarians would love him.
I honestly don’t know why Heimskr gets so much hate. The man is just passionately preaching for a divine and against the Thalmor, and it’s not like he’s wrong. Talos did become a god in TES, the Thalmor are hunting down his worshippers, and the Empire is complicit in it.
Hey, I really appreciate you covering both sides! This really helps me appreciate the relatively few differences that happen due to the civil war. I do wish there was a side quest to destroy the Dominion's Embassy if you choose the Stormcloaks.
Y'know, it would've been cool if you could assassinate the high ranking figures in both armies and it leads to more and more Thalmor being in Skyrim. Then you either have the choice to a) Purge Skyrim of Talos worshippers with them b) Just let them carry out their jobs whilst you do your adventuring c) Clean the mess you made
@@ilovemetalmusic310 That would be an absolute bloody mess! I would never go that far, I'd prefer it if you could simply sway one leader to either surrender or negotiate.
@ChewBubblegum The virgin Bethesda game studios: Hey buy the Skyrim deluxe super special legendary edition! The Chad Bethesda Softworks: I don't give a f**k if I'm going broke. I'll still make a good RPG for the fans!
Eorland: "Could be better, could be worse." Heimskir: *PRAISE TALOS* Falk Firebeard: "Ulfric's played this smart." Elisif: "Damn him." Beirand: "I still don't have a moment to rest." Danica: "I only want peace again." Vignar: "Now the boring stuff begins." Farengar: "I don't really care, and it's not really changed." Carlotta: "At least the last guys harassing me didn't smell." Adrienne: "My clients are showing their racism." Ulfberth: "I'm not saying overthrow them, just the facts." Thongvor: *ETHNIC CLENSE* Balgruuf: "Where are my kids?" Caius: "Just wait; we'll be back on our feet again." Ingrod: "I'm trying to find solace in this." Joric: "My dreams are somehow even worse." Igmund: "The Empire will be back to stomp this out!" *They won't* Galmar: "I'm expecting violence. Hopefully." Ulfric: "We must rebuild Skyrim to fight the Thalmor again."
I wish you could just single handedly wipe out the thalmor by yourself, the dragonborn could do it. Not enough games let you take matters into your own hands when it comes to the story, its always pick a side.
@@PeteTheGrouch What do you mean "side with the Dragons" like with Alduin the guy who would kill you either way and end the world? Or with Miraak who would likely kill you and attempt to end the world anyways? A story idea only works if it actually makes sense, and "siding with the dragons" (whatever that means) doesn't make sense with how it is.
@@Deadput It 'makes sense' from the standpoint of "Gee, would I rather fight this dude who could permanently end me; or would I rather get them on my team, assuming they show willingness to do so..?" It's not like the dragons didn't use to have human vassals back in the day... I imagine even Alduin could recognise the merit of having the last Dragonborn on his side. Miraak, I'm not so sure of - besides which, I never mentioned siding with him to begin with. If nothing else, the two of you at least share an enemy in the form of that Daedra arsehole... pretty sure the offer of a chance to escape his bondage would be enough to have ol' Miri at least _consider_ the possibilty of an alliance... well, unless he's just one of those "Stupid Evil" types of villains; which, tbh, most bad guys in the Scrolls-verse most definitely are..!
@@PeteTheGrouch not having the option to side with alduin is not Bethesda being lazy. Taking the criticisms a bit too far and just looking stupid for it I'd have appreciated the option too but chill out lmao
@@Stryker1297 'bugthesda' deserve all the criticism they get & _then_ some... the only stupid ones are those who continually try to make excuses for their laziness & incompetence. _lmao_
Elisif: No, I’m in no position to make a claim at the throne. also Elisif, in literally the same breath: I am the rightful High Queen of Skyrim Hey Elisif? Not making a claim means _not making a claim_ lmao
Bethesda actually cut out an alternate option during the Stormcloak side where during the "Give Balgruuf Ulfric's Axe" sequence, you have to intervene during the deliberation at the right time and successfully convince him to side with Ulfric. Provided you have the proper persuasion perks invested and speech level is ample enough. The mod is called Jarl Balgruuf Dilemma.
@@KaimArgonarEyyyy Well its more Bethesda's way of having a canon without implying who the dragonborn sided with. Thus they can then have the war decided by external factors, likely Morrowind sending an army to besiege Riften and Hammerfall flanking an Imperial attempt to retake Markarth, given all 3 of these nations have the same goals of re-exert their independence from the Empire and oppose the Thalmor.
@@imafatboy27 All im saying is that a stormcloak aligned Dragonborn could be all Skyrim needs to win the war. If the dragonborn could defeat ALDUIN , they could defeat the Thalmor.
@@tex4096 95% sure Stormcloak victory and the following "Viking" Age is the canon outcome Bethesda had in mind. Way back in Morrowind, the avatar of Talos himself tells you the Empire will eventually die and something new will be born. I think it's time for a Nordic Sea Empire, with a new Dragonborn dynasty at the helm.
@@freevertibirdrides7437 >the avatar of Talos himself tells you the Empire will eventually die and something new will be born. He actually says that he doesn't mind IF the Empire dies He is at best indifferent to it's fate
@@freevertibirdrides7437 Viking Age is unlikely given the Stormcloaks, Hammerfell, and Morrowind don't want that so much as a resurgence of the ideals of the Ebonheart Pact, that Tamriel shouldn't have a central state, but be a confederation of ethnostates, so their racial cultures can be respected and not tied to the whims of another race. Plus the people who don't want to be part of the Empire anymore are still firmly anti-Thalmor.
I always remember what alvor said about the war: the banishment of talos was made only in paper, when ulfric rose to power empire was forced to act, also stentorr and balgruf both stated that the empire was vital with their trade routes for Skyrim
Not so much rose to power - Ulfric's shenanigans at Markarth are the thing that Alvor is talking about. The Markarth Incident enabled the Thalmor to start enforcing the ban.
True, but if the Empire decided to keep fighting the Thalmor instead of surrender than there would be no need to ban Talos in the first place. The fact that the Thalmor had to sign a treaty goes to show that they were weakening.
Think about it. If the Thalmor was all powerful, then they would not have signed the treaty. They would have instead annexed the Empire and control all of Tamriel.
@@dutchpatriot17 Except they had the warriors of Hammerfell at minimum. They also didn't allow the Thalmor into Skyrim, a land which there are many Nords willing to fight for their homes. They defended the Skyrim border, instead of focusing their priorities on other things. They failed to rely on their provinces and as a result their only other chance to beat the Thalmlor was forfeit.
IQ 50: "SkYriM belOnGS to tHE noRdS" IQ 100: "please bro if you rebel against the empire the elfs will win bro, yeah the Redguards actually did beat them after their independence but bro think about our human heritage , but not about Talos bro" IQ 150: Skyrim belongs to the Nords
@@CameronKiesser Well shit I started the civil war as a Stormcloak and now it looks like I'ma have to do the DBH questline first because yeah that sounds a little jarring.
Just imagine Ulfric meeting the emperor like Emperor: "Hey Ulfric, nice to see you, is everything alright in Windhelm?" Ulfric: "The emperor! Men, seize him!" Emperor: "Dude calm down I have a dinner to attend and afterwards, I'm gonna be killed by the Dark Brotherhood to collect the bounty I put on myself" Ulfric: "Uh ok whatever"
Elisif: "It seems I will never take my rightful place as High Queen." Heimskr: "The true sons and daughters of Skyrim have liberated us!" Beirand & Belethor: *S T O N K S* 📈
One of the things I wish they added was after taking over a city or before the battle for said city, you could speak with the Jarl’s on opposing sides and convince or even intimidate them to join the side your on. There were a few jarls who were better suited than their counterparts. Also convincing Ulfric and Elisif to marry each other to unify Skyrim all together would be interesting.
@@THANAT0S_ In dragon age: Origins, one of the options for the next ruler is to have Arnora and Alistair marry each other even though they basically hate/ really dislike each other.
I always thought it would be cool if the Dragon Born was able to rebuild Helgan as it's new Jarl you could pick whoever you want to put into positions.
I don't think Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are bad people, but the rebellion is a pretty dumb and inconsequent movement. Talos was literally the founder of the Empire, so it's pretty obvious that they did not want to make peace with the Thalmor and outlaw his worship. The White-Gold Concordat was a way for the Empire to regain it's forces and fight back the Aldmeri Dominion, as General Tulius makes it clear that after dealing with the Stormcloaks they are going to prepare to fight back the Elves. In resume, Ulfric is actually helping the Thalmor (even if he does not realise it), and that's why I side with the Imperials every time I play.
Not only dumb they don't know that because of talos he founded the empire that is the problem of theme they idk that they are destroying Tiber septim Creation of the Empire
@Divalvaro they dont support the stormcloaks cuz stormcloaks are racist cunts and its not they fight, Empire is a better option than stormcloaks cuz Empire is not as cruel as Stormcloaks
regardless of your opinion of either side, I'll never understand why people want their character to fight for the people who were literally seconds away from beheading you in the opening scene. You escape with Ralof and then become friends, that makes way more sense than running off with Hadvar, in a real life situation who would you trust??
the politics and reasoning behind the empire doesn't change just because some idiot was going to behead you, and hadvar clearly didn't want you to be executed. You can't hold grudges for a mistake
Idk, who would I trust. The one who puts his life on the line to escort me to safety, or the one who cowered in a tower? Jeez, that sure is a tough one.
Well, the stormcloacks never say something like "hey, he is not with us, don't execute him", so, it's more likely that stormcloacks are the main reason why are you getting executed
Both sides are highly imperfect but I always go with the stormcloaks. I mean hard to join a side that was going to cut your head off to start the game.
It's only hard to join them if you view the Civil War as a contained conflict that would have no repercussions moving forward that would affect-- I don't know-- the next Great War that the Empire was gearing up for. The only thing Skyrim had to contribute was man power and that's it. It's nice if you want a bunch of meatshields but armored warriors are going to die en masse against the Dominion-- that use Magic. If the collective Empire almost collapsed even with the Nords from Skyrim providing the bulk of its forces + other provinces, Skyrim doesn't really stand a chance on its own regardless of its numbers. Hammerfell at least doesn't actively look down on branches of magic such as Destruction like the Nords do.
I always thought it was funny that Thongvor Silver Blood is one of the game’s biggest Empire-haters but he wears imperial steel boots and Bracers, even with the Imperial Dragon Crest on his arms! I’m aware its probably just an oversight because the game classifies the bracers as “Steel” not “Imperial” in the game files so the developers probably just slapped some steel armour on him and forgot about it. But, nonetheless, pretty ironic lol
Cassius constantly interrupting your conversation with Idgrod, finally forcing you to step to one side to keep him from interrupting yet again, was somehow hilarious.
I joined the Stormcloaks because of Ralof, hate the Empire because Dragonborn almost got executed even he/she was not guilty. It's a shame though, I do like Jarl Ballin.
If you’re on pc the move is to use the become high king immersive edition mod, play through with Ulfric then convince him to vote you as King. After that you can appoint back people like Balgruff or whatever npc’s you want to be Jarls of the major holds. It’s a nice mod for role playing as you can override the decision to put corrupt leaders in power like in Riften where you choose between horrid Lawgiver or Black-Briar. I like saying fuck off to both and giving it to the humble fisherman Bolli. The only downside is you can’t adjust the minor holds, so some of the chill lesser jarls like Ravencrone still get thrown out.
@@danieltobin4498 Double edged sword. Now the Empire can't keep Ulfric from invading the Dominion and there is a strong, independent human lead country ready to throw hands with the elves.
If he takes that guy who suggests building a navy seriously and tries to take on the Thalmor (who have the best navy in Tamriel) he's effed. Even Tiber Septim was scared of the idea of battling them on sea.
Balgruuf was OK but he sided with the wrong team. Had he joined Ulfric, he could still have control over his hold so as to not let ulfric's minions enforce too much of their costumes. Still whiterun is 90% nord so, it would be dumb to go against a very divided population.
@ChewBubblegum You really shouldn't have to justify it. Morrowind's demographics are 50% dunmer 50% everyone else by the time of Elder scrolls III Morrowind. I wouldn't want that for skyrim either.
The lil nod after talking to Falk was kinda cute lol. Idk why I just smile and love when people are in first person and do a lil nod when npcs say stuff to them.
I always though Eilisif didn't deserve to be High Queen just for being the widow of the last High King. I feel like I would have sided Imperial first play through if there was a better candidate. Like Torugg's sister or people rallying behind another city's Jarl.
@@joelpierce1453 I beg to differ. DB wouldn't be High King in that case, he would be prince consort to High Queen Elisif..and under the rule of virgin Mede Dynasty as well. No, DB should ascend to become the new Talos or smthng. Or at the very least, the new chad emperor of Tamriel.
@@Seifiros I don't marry Elisif because it grants me the title, I know Skyrim titles don't work like that, I marry her as a means of solidifying my authority (and because she's awesome as a wife). People in Skyrim who are uneasy about the Dragonborn becoming High King would presumably be more comfortable with it if he married a Jarl. Like a vote of confidence. Also, yeah, after becoming High King of Skyrim, we obviously establish a new Imperial Dynasty based on the bloodline of the Dragonborn. The Septim Empire hasn't been legitimate since Martin Septim died.
@@joelpierce1453 Well it's no longer the Septim empire, it's a decrepit shell of it called the Mede empire but yeah, I get what you mean. But you know what would make that story even more awesome? If the dragonborn is an argonian!
LET THE ELVES COME TO OUR SHORES, WE DEFEATED THE ENTIRE EMPIRE, STORMCLOAK STRONK -Um, sir, I'm afraid that was only the northern cohort. The knife-ears are the ones who defeated the entire Empire -What
Even Ulfric himself admits he doesn't stand a chance against Cyrodiil. If the Emperor is in Skyrim, or Vittoria is getting married, he does not dare attack Solitude. So much for that whole "freedom or Sovngarde" rhetoric.
@Divalvaro well victoria is marrying a stormcloak supporter so ulfric wouldn't want to interupt that since it could help his cause but he won't attack if the emperor is in solitude for the reason op explained above
@Divalvaro it isn't because ulfric says "we're not ready to fight against the whole empire" which means that if the empire lets their true legions go through pale pass ulfric will be destroyed
I believe the Stormcloaks are good people who are just following their heart, but the reason why I can't join them is because I severely dislike Ulfric. We could've had a united Skyrim fighting the Thalmors, but no Ulfric wanted a Civil War instead just to be King.
same. And I also think that the Empire has better chances against the Thalmor later on than the Stormcloaks. The Stormcloaks would hunt the Thalmor out of Skyrim. And then? The Thalmor remain undisturbed in all other parts of Tamriel and then come back to Skyrim stronger. And angrier. While the Empire thinks things through all over Tamriel. They're trying to keep the peace going, but not because they think the Thalmor are harmless. Nope. They just know that they should prepare for another Great War with even angrier Thalmor.
How else would skyrim be able to represent itself on its own two legs to the Empire? Its best that the strongest man sits on the throne and has the ear of the emperor.
I always like Falk, he is the most competent and politically savvy of all the stewards in the holds. And he is pretty open with you as well when starting the Wolf Queen quest. Flat out told player he was just gonna wave the matter off originally before seeking your help.
We're never explicitly shown how old certain characters are, but we can infer based on dialog and other facts so I have to say that Elisif doesn't seem to be old enough to remember the Great War and the signing of the White-Gold Concordat. Torygg, maybe did, but he's dead (this based on Sybille Stentor's dialog) but Elisif gives me the impression that she's really young - like around 20, which would have made her not even born yet at the end of the Great War. By the time Markarth is restored to the Empire by Ulfric's Stormcloaks, Elisif is 10 and old enough to know something big happened but not old enough to grasp all the implications of that conflict. Whereas characters like Tullius, Falk, Erikur, Rikke, Ulfric, Galmar and many others either directly involved. It's a game with admittedly low-par graphics so we can't really assume much but let's make the assumption that all of these people I just named were alive during the GW (they were), they'd have had to be 30 years younger since the GW happened in 4E 171 (Skyrim happens in 4E 201). So all of these people were at least 20-30 when the GW happened. It's still pretty fresh in their minds and Ulfric doing this was exactly what the Thalmor wanted. I really hope that we see more of the conflict unfold in VI (like more or less within the same timespan as Skyrim) since we know that the game will be set in Hammerfell and High Rock.
Well, let's remember something here: the timeline in Skyrim would be similar to our timeline around the years of 1600-1800. During that period of time, one would be considered an adult at 14 years old and many would already have joined armies. If you take that into account, many of the people you mentioned were probably involved in the GW during their teenage years, making them even younger than what we might think. Even if Elisif were about 10 yo, giving the fact that she is a "royal", she would probably already be receiving diplomatic training and would have known a lot about the war, even if she hadn't actively participated in it. When the NPCs refer to others as being "young", they aren't actually commenting on their age, but on their experience. During said times, you could be 25 and already considered old if you fought and lived through a war. Because of that, Elisif is young in experience, but probably older than 20.
Slight correction, in the very same note that expresses the Thalmor wanting the war to happen they also say they DONT want a Stormcloak victory either. Something people always seem to forget while using the very same note or journal entry to argue against Ulfric. So no this isn’t Ulfric doing what the Thalmor wanted. What they wanted was a constant state of destabilization; but now Skyrim can actively build up against them. Either way the Thalmor loose.
In Skyrim , there is Rebels vs the Empire . The Skyrim in turn is fighting with the elves . Then humanity gets threatened by the Dragons . Can it get any worse........................... Vampires in the back smiling with meekily .
There’s an option of changing sides near the beginning of joining the imperials/stormcloaks, involving getting the crown out the ruins, where you can give it to the opposite side instead. Imagine the drama :)
My first time playing Skyrim I was an imperial and I sided with the Stormcloaks, Ulfric said something about me betraying my imperial ways and Cyrodill but he welcomed me as a part of his army anyway. I'm still wondering if he ate the 10k poisoned apples I left on his table.
That's only from their own comments, you don't witness that. Of course if they hate stormcloaks they can say anything to make them look bad. Don't believe everything npcs say.
@@dutchpatriot17 Hate. You would be surprised what leaders face from those who dislike them even in today's society. A president who wins elections will be accused of rigging it even if he didn't. In Skyrim Ulfric may be a victim of slander. You don't witness this things from Ulfric as dragornborn. They are only rumors.
@@mwendia They aren't rumors, lmao. What are you going to say next, that people who struggled during Apartheid are just performing slander? Come on dude, lmao.
@@dutchpatriot17 Apatheid has tangible evidence, deaths and eye witnesses, maybe even videos and recordings. In Skyrim, you don't see evidence of Ulfric or his army harming or slandering other races just their own words. I would infact think imperials are racist. The captain at execution calls the prisoners spitefully. "Next the Lizard, the Cat and so on"
I notice that despite all the chest thumping Skyrim groups Ulfric is speaking about defending against The Aldmeri Dominion while Galmar thinks they will be leading an invasion.I think I know who is smarter.Always been fascinated by the Mystic jarl,wish there was more about her.
Nothing. Basically, they fought against a minute portion of the Empire. Tullius was basically given whatever the Empire could spare. If the Stormcloaks did decide to assassinate the Emperor, the Legion would likely have sent an overwhelming force from the border into Skyrim. Severely weakening the Empire's borders while starting another, abrupt short and likely costly, war against the Stormcloaks.
While I do hate the Imperials and sympathize with the Stormcloaks (Most of what Ulfric says are valid criticisms), I just join the empire because the Thalmor would have no problems destroying a country which just lost half its populace to Civil War. They may stand a chance if the dragonborn chose a side but its pretty much accepted that the LDB only did the main story.
@@DarkAdonisVyers not really, the imperials come from Cyrodill and what you see in skyrim is a small fraction of their true army. If they win they remain strong and could have a chance fighting the Aldmeri Dominion, the stormcloacks wouldn't have a chance against them.
Weird fact I found out a few days ago. Did y’all know in the lore Tamriel is as big as Europe? Shouldn’t be too surprised, it’s supposed to be it’s own continent after all
@ChewBubblegum not entirely if you only played Skyrim, still they say the cities which are more like towns have entire districts and bandits must come from somewhere so looking back it makes way more sense. How big is Daggerfall?
@ChewBubblegum that’s cool as hell, that means in the lore daggerfall is a few hundred miles. Also yea I get what you said about the smaller maps but Skyblivion and Skywind are still creating the landscape themselves for their mods and they’re way bigger than Skyrim. Those two are gonna be fun
Balgruuf may have his downsides but he is still a kind hearted jarl who really wants what's best for his people, I wish there was a way to convince him to stay on as jarl, then I would go as storm cloaks, but as it stands Imperials all the way so I can save Jarl Ballin
The issue with that is is that Ulfric forced his hand to serve the Empire. Ulfric's entire position in Skyrim was that you were either with him or against him. He saw neutrality as the acts of an enemy because they are withholding men, resources and supplies from his war effort and that means war. In the Empire path, imperial scouts reported that Ulfric was preparing his army to attack Whiterun. Tullius decided to use that to pressure Balgruuf to join the Empire but Ulfric was still taking aggressive action in preparing to attack Whiterun. When Balgruuf gets the news he starts making preparations for war because Ulfric brought it to his doorstep, and he sends the dragonborn to deliver his axe to Ulfric to get final confirmation on Ulfirc's intentions. On the Stormcloak path Ulfric sends the dragonborn to deliver his axe to Balgruuf and declares his intentions to attack unless Balgruuf submits and joins him. No matter which way it goes, Balgruuf was forced into the war by Ulfric. Balgruuf wasn't going to side with the man invading his hold and bringing war and death to Whiterun.
I genuinely wonder more than I should about who the canon choice of the winner in this war will be in ES6. I can very easily see the Empire having a plan generations in the making that they enacted to take the fight to the Thalmor after Ulfric was contained, but I can also see the Stormcloaks (as backasswards and racist as they are) being the spark that lit the fires of widespread revolt against Elven rule. And as much as I can't stand it, Ulfric being a figurehead for a united Tamriel front would be a phenomenally badass lore piece to read or flashback to see.
To the idiots saying that helping the Stormcloaks weakens Skyrim for the Thalmor, I'd like to remind you that Skyrim is protected by a person who can slow time, ride and command dragons, and pull ghost warriors straight from Sovngarde. Not to mention Dragonbone insta-kill weapons and undentable armor. I think Skyrim will be fine, y'all.
@@hoshueyeplopper4465 I’ll talk to your iq lvl my dear nord savage elf bad people nord alone can’t beat elf imperial and nords can beat elf together nord alone would lose to elfs :)
@@jmxd3303 Next time when you're having a stroke go to the doctor before replying to a youtube comment, stating your very racist views on Stormcloaks just because every 100th Stormcloak Supporter is racist. There are many Stormcloak Supporters who are very welcoming to other races. Just take Ralof, he doesn't like Ulfric as a person but he likes the cause they fight for.
@@hoshueyeplopper4465 nice one lmao go check windhelm grey corner all races in elder scrolls are racist I’m just saying nords needs imperials or they are fked how hard to understand that
Why did they get rid of Balgruf? I know he was a fence sitter but that just means he would capitulate. I feel like it would be easier to keep him as jarl but in name only. I guess keeping someone in name only doesn't seem very nord-like but ulfric had the sense not to upend the blue palace, and they didn't even allow tallos worship.
