Charging a VW ID.4 at a Tesla Supercharger! 

Me too!

Me2, it is almost like legacy automakers are trying to destroy EV adoption by implementing half-baked beta charging protocols, turning most non-Tesla EVs local area grocery getters. Another huge letdown by some is the location of the charge port behind the front wheel well, making dangerously long cables a necessity, so Taycan, F150 owners will not be able to charge here.

Nice! 👍

It is indeed. VW did an amazing job of limiting wind noise. Meanwhile the model three sounds like we are on the deck of an active aircraft carrier. Recent Tesla models have gotten much better, but the older ones like ours have awful cabin noise

Agreed 100%. Thanks for the comment!

I rented a Tesla model 3 and loved it. I do like the ID.4 looks. Can you tell me which you prefer & why. After driving the Tesla, I can’t imagine any other manufacturer beating Tesla for the overall experience & charging ease .. but I do like the VW looks better. would love to hear how you like the ID4 vs the Tesla. And the drawbacks of each Thx 🙏

@@carpediem4413Overall the VW is the better car. However Tesla has the better battery and software is also a little smoother. I would still prefer the VW though

Yeah I agree. There needs to be some sort of signage or something to make it more obvious. Really people just need to pay attention bc the app does tell you to push in, then pull.

Oh man I would be ecstatic if they rolled out v4 superchargers here. Longer cables, centered in the middle of the parking spot.. that would immediately solve so many issues.

Yep the brand new v4 supercharger not only had a longer cable, but is centered in the parking space. Man I hope they roll out a million of those!

You are lucky! Your may also be new. The newer ones are pretty reliable.

Thanks! Haha I said the exact same thing

Lol what??

You are 100% correct. It burns me up to no end that the whole industry didn’t use the Tesla design, which Tesla literally begged them too.

The v4 chargers that just got built in I think the Netherlands have super long cables and are centered in the parking space. It’s a great design and I hope like crazy they build thousands of them here!

@@OlsonFamilyElectricAdventures yep lol so i don't block a spot with my mach e lol 😂

Valid points. The rollout of Magic Docks will be slow, and you are correct that only a fraction of total superchargers will be retrofitted, but it’s an exciting start. Also true that Superchargers aren’t “everywhere”, but it sure feels like it. There are over ten x the number of superchargers compared to EA, and they are being built out at a torrid pace. Also, they are wayyyyy more reliable than EA. Occasionally one or two out of twelve superchargers at a station will be down, whereas about a third or half of all EA chargers seem to be down at any given time.

Thanks!

Yes, part of purchasing a Tesla is also because of the great supercharging at work however, with 350 miles of range, and a daily commute of 40 miles, that was no reason to purchase the car. I purchased the Tesla because it is better in every single way.

Yeah the supercharger network is a huge advantage here in the US. It’s the number one reason by far that I recommend Tesla. It’s makes traveling so much less stressful.

The ID.4 is capable of 125, in fact some of the newer ones are pulling 135. Weather and like you said sharing the same charger pair can affect speed.

I don’t doubt that there are some great ea stations on the west coast. The newer ones are nice. Come try some of the older ones on the east coast and it’s a different story.

Non Tesla chargers here in the US are garbage. It’s gradually getting better though

Yep, on the Tesla app you can search for superchargers that allow CCS chargers 👍

Agreed 100%. Their design team did an amazing job.

When Bjorn said that, he was not in his right mind.

Lol I’m ok with either side as long as it’s a standard across all automakers

Definitely. I hate when charging spots are blocked, and I would hate to do that to someone else.

Agreed!! 👍

V4 superchargers are fixing this issue with longer cables

When you drive on the right side of the road like most of the world, the right rear would make more sense so it's on the sidewalk side of the car when you park it.

Electric car is really not good solution, fuel cell has been the best solution for all kind of vehicles (not onle small passenger cars but also trucks etc), as usual humanity is manipulated by a bunch if guys who mandate people to be connected a network to increase the tracibility and control like credit cards)..

@@tolgasari5691 no it's not. You're clueless and naive if you think you cannot be tracked with a hydrogen car. It doesn't even make sense. Fuel cells are only suitable for specific situations. For everybody else, battery tech is advancing waay to fast for fuel cell to catch up anyway.

It varies widely depending on the charger speed. 30% to 80% probably averages about 20 minutes

The supercharger network is AMAZING 👍

The magic dock is built into the charger.

Sticker price is only one part of the equation. Remember you also won’t be paying for gas, and maintenance is almost non existent. For example the total cost of ownership of a model 3 is almost identical to a Toyota Carolla. If you charge at home, you are filling up for pennies.

No I won’t, I’ll happily pay up for the convenience, speed, and reliability. Also, I probably will have traded in the ID.4 for a Model Y by then. I also honesty doubt they will raise prices. They have the massive scale to undercut everyone else (assuming there ever is competition in the charging space) to retain business and still make a killing.

Greetings from across the pond! We love the looks and comfort and performance, but the software is awful. It’s very glitchy and laggy and we constantly have to restart the touchscreen. I’ve heard newer models have gotten better though.

ID 4 will beat ev6 in term of practicality. ID 4 is a better family car: taller and roomier cabin and boot, higher seating position, etc

Can I ask why you are lamenting getting the ID4 over the EV6? The delivery time for the EV6 I had on order crept from 3 months to over a year. After waiting 6 months and being advised of a third revision in the estimate of delivery, I decided on the GV60 which I was able to get in 8 weeks by putting a deposit on at the Fully Charged UK Live 2022 Show Farnborough and selecting one of their highly spec’d pre-configured stock models. RWD Premium model fully loaded- I’m a very happy customer.

@@Antiguan_Dart Like i mentioned in term of practicality the ID 4 got the edge against the EV6. ID 4 is a more SUV than the EV6. Like i mentioned taller boot, higher seat position and roomier cabin. The EV6 might look sportier and from i ve heard faster if you get the GT version.

@@OlsonFamilyElectricAdventures May I ask what model year is your ID4? I’ve seen a lot of comments about glitchy software but I also saw comments that those issues were resolved in the latest s/w update or in the current model year, ie., 2023.

Good catch and you are correct. Will definitely be more cognizant of that in the future 👍

If I recall correctly, I think we got up to around 125kw, which is pretty much max speed for the id4

Yeah there aren’t many that have been retrofitted. It’s still in the early stages. But they plan to retrofit thousands of stations. We will see how it goes. Hopefully evgo, ChargePoint, and EA pick up the pace rolling out new (and reliable) ccs stations.

I agree. And I think that’s intentional. I think their long term goal is to basically be a giant energy company.

It’s definitely frustrating. I think the rollout of retrofitted tesla superchargers will be pretty slow. They can be found on the tesla app as well as tesla.com/supercharger. A Tesla to ccs adapter would be amazing. Tesla to j1772 wouldn’t work because j1772 is designed for slower amps and wouldn’t be able to handle it, but I know what you mean. The dream would be for the charging experience to be like filling up gas, like how all pumps are the same.

@@OlsonFamilyElectricAdventures Thanks for information. I'm almost 3 months in and still love being an EV owner, will probably never go back to a gas car as my primary. I finally had our Level 2 charger installed about a month ago and that has been life changing. Thanks again for the information and for taking time to respond, because I know we are all busy with life. God bless.

@@OlsonFamilyElectricAdventures Thanks for the link, but still no real clarity on non-Tesla chargers. I have a home charger now, so life is good. However, there is going to come a time when I will take that road trip. It is to Telsa's advantage for roll out slower because people like me will seriously consider making the switch to Tesla just to gain access to the Super Charger Network 😞

You can make a case for pretty much any location. I think the logic behind putting it on the passenger side is when you park on the street, the safer side away from traffic is the passenger side. I just wish all automakers would agree on one location.

The ccs connection is ridiculously big. Tesla’s design for their own cable is much better. They lobbied the rest of the auto industry way back in the early days of the model S to make the Tesla design a universal standard. They opened up their patents and everything. But ccs already existed and the legacy companies just ran with it. Very frustrating bc the Tesla design is so much better.

CCS incorporates the J1772 standard plug along with the 2 primary DC lines. It's big as they still use the comm pins in the J1772 to communicate between the vehicle and the charging station.

The CCS connector was designed by ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption.

If you payed attention they said only 3500 up until 2025 .

You can complain about ccs all you want it is staying. Get rid of the id 4 and get a model 3 if you can’t handle it. I have chademo for almost 9 years and I can handle it . They voted to keep the standard. Too many cars have it already. They said version 4 will have longer cables . Tesla wanted money so other shouldn’t have to adapt to them . They were not the first mass market ev. Europe added a ccs cable. This is just teslas way to get quick money. They didn’t think about the short cables. I hate when new ev owners make videos about how everone else is wrong because they are different. I. Like pulling in frontwards and my port is right there. All of us non Teslas got along great at my ea today. We had lucid air , 2 I.d 4s and a Mercedes ev. Every one plugged in fine . I drove in front words. We didn’t have dc chargers in my city 9 years ago with people bashing one network when most times it’s user error or bad planning for backup up chargers. And the watch Kyle Connor who is young rich and complains all the time.

"have to park crooked?" I thought they just had terrible vision.

@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck yep my charge port is on the driver side door in the front unlike tesla where you back in and on the driver side door in the back the cable is too short to reach for the mach e. tesla needs to release longer cables for ccs cars trucks etc

Yeah the charge port location on some cars makes no sense!

Agreed 100%

I think your mechanic friend is envious. My creators' M-B doesn't break and parts are quite reasonable - cost less than parts for American cars (we have one or those too).

Your friend sounds like he just doesn’t like EVs, because all of that is objectively false. There is almost zero maintenance on EV’s.

Lol you’re probably right. We had fun though. Thanks watching