Charioteer vs Jagdtiger | 20pdr Mk 1 APDS 

Sometimes perforation is more important than the ultimate damage done inside. Just might make the crew abandon their vehicle because of the hit to morale.

​@@tomppeli. Yeah nobody is sticking around once something enters the tank lol

Not steel tho. Tungsten based ceramics.

​@@tomppeli. D-25 be like:

@@gargean1671 I am aware but it was just a paraphrase

Bro come on you spoiled it

Or try to turn around under fire exposing the side, like in a story mentioned by Carius.

youre hoping the man doesnt panic when something just ripped through the thickest armour plate of the war?

between upper and lower plates?

depends on what you mean, I made a video with the practical use of the program, I also made a video with a more theoretical approach to the topic of armor penetration

@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 Well. I guess I overlooked this portion of your content. I will look it up and probably try in myself. Sadly SOLIDWORKS doesn't provide such functionality. My reason for suggesting this is because some many people are oblivious of the FEM, and just write nonsense in the comments.

@@Priehten this was an old video ~2 years ago

​@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174does simulation require only CPU? What time of processing can i expect for 12 core pc?

@@NoName-md5zb what CPU, how much RAM?

Still travelling between 100-200 m/s, wouldn't want to be anywhere near the spall/remnants of that round.

It would, but that would add even more weight into the already heavily stressed engine. At this point, there is no point in adding more armor if it would hurt the tank more than enemy fire.

@@darnit1944 for the simulation!

There was no anti tank gun that can frontally penetrate a Jagdtiger. Most jagdtiger were lost by unreliability rather than enemy attack

It isn’t flat.

shrapnel

only by bypassing the simulation of HEAT warheads. Simulating one, releasing the equivalent of a jet in the target simulation.

at the end you have velocity scale, something like 100-200 m/s I'll check it out by the way

In the document, the real number is 330mm at 1,000yards & 290mm at 2,000yards (And in the same document, Conqueror 120mm L1 have a penetration of 446mm at 1,000yards & 406mm at 2,000yards). With War Thunder APDS formula, the 20pdr APDS actually should be 399mm at 0 metre. So 384mm at 10 metres is very balanced between real life and War Thunder's game design. It's 285mm was just for old-time balance. Actually, War Thunder Dev Server 1.87 already used the 369mm number at 10 metres (and 17pdr - 271mm, 105 L7 - 373mm, 120 L1 - 477mm), but it didn't come into stable server at that version.

@@Charioteer71 okay, thanks for the info

@@o-hogameplay185 in WT there is a more modern version Mk 3, Mk 1 had about 320 mm of penetration

@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 oh, i see. i forgot that in game it is the mk3

assuming it hits a very small area of flat armor?

@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174 it's your choice)

​@@dejmianxyzsimulations4174if so, that's around the same thickness as the Jagtigers super structure.

Yes but it would add even more weight to the already overweight tank. I think the weight alone would kill the tank faster than enemy fire.

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More room because the Gun on the Jagdtiger was an absolute monster which correct me if i'm wrong, it had 2 pieces of ammunition, the charge and the penetrator so yeah, a lot of room just for the gun and time production reduction, yes, making angled armor takes a lot more time to weld

One of the reasons is joining plate perpendicularly will result in a much stronger weld. While the other joining angle will result in lower resistance. We now know it is not true with good welding, especially the care German put into their welding. But it is definitely part of the reason why German retaining the "boxy" shape.

From an engineering perspective making a highly angled plate that needs to have a gun mantlet in it is a lot more difficult than a flat one. There is also indeed the issue of space, the jagtiger contained an absolutely colossal 128mm gun and it took up a lot of space. Also, there are cases where using a flat plate can actually save weight, because while the thickness needs to be greater to achieve the same protection, the area can be less.

Man this shot was hard to hit , especially early APDS . No gun back then could pen this , the huge front plate had more angle . Shooting tiny weak pots was not a thing in 1944 . 😅

@@5co756 The superstructure of the jagtiger is not a small target. And the soviet 122mm, long 88, the super pershing's 90mm, and of course the Jagtiger's own 128mm gun, could all penetrate over 200mms of armor.

The result of having 1/50 of your opponents resources.