No, you're so wrong. That wasn't real communism/they didn't do it right. Or at least that's what they repeat when you point it out to them. Communism the idea so great that very intelligent (allegedly ) people with the government of their countries behind them haven't been able to find true communism in over 100 years. Personally, I think they have and they quickly find out it doesn't work, but instead of trying something else they turn on the people for being human beings.
She wasn’t receptive. She was just silenced by her own ignorance. If she was smart enough to respond, she would have. She didn’t agree with him at any point. Hence all her snarky responses. She just didn’t have any actual come arguments in response
We love our socialised healthcare over here so much. Every night I get home and pray and thank the mighty nhs god. I also pray my Nans cancer can hold out for the 2 year waiting list
@@richardshortall5987 you’re missing the part where he said our system doesn’t work well either, because of the parts that are government controlled. And that we should privatize more. You’re trying to blame those things on private and for profit, when the issues stem from government meddling. You fail
Imagine how she must feel walking away, knowing that every single thing she said was immediately countered and corrected with fact. By the end of it, she was forced to resort to catty sarcasm, since there was literally nothing left for her to say.
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What I do find funny as a Portuguese is seeing British people taut about the wonders of Socialism, but then going on holidays to my Socialist country because everything is so cheap. Do you know WHY everything is so cheap? Because 70% of the population lives with salaries that are less than a thousand euros a month whilst paying UK level prices on housing and paying more for electricity or petrol. If you like Socialism so much I DARE YOU to go and live in Portugal and try to make a living there with your Liberal Arts Degree. Hell! Try doing it with a Psychology, Sociology or even Economics degree and then get back at me when you start having to ask for loans in order to be able to afford a flight back to the UK to see your family.
I used to work in the nhs [26 years as a senior nurse on cardio-thoracic surgical HDU] and I don't like our system. Too many bureaucrats and not enough frontline staff! Too many box ticking and bad staff are getting jobs over good ones [like education]. Glad I left and went into transport [now retired] but that was not much better in terms of how it is run and the amount of money wasted and ever increasing bureacracy!
We have a similar issue in the States. Over the past few decades, we've seen a massive explosion in the number of midlevel people in the system: auditors, managers at many different tiers, people paid just to process insurance, people paid just to ensure compliance with a mountain of state and federal regulation, corporate compliance people, consultants (not doctors, but business consultants), etc. It has been a major cost driver as each highly-educated person with a degree takes their cut and the costs get shifted around - ultimately everyone pays so a few can live very well.
Bless her and her “I’m just not ready for reality and I don’t know it” life! 🤣 typing ‘I hate capitalism’ on her £1500 Apple Mac! 😂 please raise the age of voting to 35 😂
She should have asked about the price of epipens, medical bankruptcy and how the US has a health system ranked amongst the lowest in the World. As a side note: I can't take seriously adults who ridicule others, who also require the use of emoticons in the process.
@@user-xk1uy7ze9z I'm stating a fact when I said I don't take them seriously. Maybe learn the difference between stating an opinion and ridicule of an opinion. As opposed to questioning how another puts a message across. Also, adding a question mark on to the end of an accusation. Doesn't change the statement into a question. Stay safe.
True that is because that is what she is taught by so called professors in the schools today . They have brainwashed the kids into thinking it is their way or no way . Without teaching other ideas and opinions .
@@lhr1701 it's not just the professors though bro. She has to have parental figures somewhere that actually allowed her to leave the house with her hair dyed Karen blue🙅🏼♂️
@@Konservative_Ken928 yes her parents are an influence I agree . However kids do have their own minds , and they are being influenced by teachers, Hollywood , the so-called news media , friends , and the list goes on and on . They are being taught different ideas ,ideas that create critical thinking . They are pushed into group think . And now the parents are fight back they are being called domestic terrorist . So it is hard to blame the parents 100% .
She doesn't speak for me when she talks about the NHS being so perfect in the UK. The NHS needs serious reform, as it's riddled with overpaid managers and directors in pointless roles, misdirecting funds from the patients.
This is coming from a blue haired girl who does not use the system. She is young, so it would appear that she does not use it on a regular basis. I hate when they say "we" as if she is speaking for the entire country.
My first thought was that she's a young, healthy woman. How much of the system has she actually seen or had to deal with in her life? I didn't appreciate the American healthcare system's flaws until I got a chronic disease diagnosis. Once that happened, I got an eyeful! From what I understand, there have been nursing shortages and protests in the UK over the NHS over the years because of short staffing, insufficient facilities to meet demand, general working conditions, and the problem you mentioned. This young lady doesn't know.
rob, that is so correct. The NHS is full of project managers who couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper bag. The NHS really does need serious reform.
@@kma3647 My cousin and I visited England once, and my cousin got a pretty bad cold. We went to the clinic and he got treated, and then we went on our merry way without a dime (pence?) out of pocket. It was a surprise to me and I thought "that's pretty cool". Then we went to visit family there and got a completely different story. Basically anything beyond colds, cuts and bruises was just one nightmare story after another. And then I thought how amazingly well my parents were treated in America through cancer treatments and open heart surgery and post surgery checkups. I would give those doctors and nurses who took care of my parents a kidney if they needed it. They were so professional and gave them the help they needed so quickly after their diagnoses. They truly saved my parents' lives. US healthcare has its flaws but I still believe it's better than the alternatives.
@@londoner9401 "it's a bad thing to let many people, especially old people who can't afford Healthcare, to have Healthcare." You kiss your mother with that moronic mouth?
I have a whole history of problems that have been made worse by the NHS including dying due to a mistake, having to be revived and spending 24 hours fighting for my life. No one had to answer for that mistake.
My dad died due to nhs incompetence (proven in court). I know a guy who had to wait 5 years for a mri after having a heart attack. I know a guy had to wait 6 years for an mri on his knee after blowing out his ligaments in a football accident. I myself had to wait 4 weeks to get an xray to show that I'd broken my wrist and needed a cast. I had previously been informed to try and keep moving my wrist, until they xrayed and decided it was broken then all the attempts at moving the wrist were deemed detrimental. I could go on and on about my experiences and knowledge of the NHS, and it pains me when people try and praise the NHS as something to be admired. I've spent time in colombia, deemed a 3rd world country at the time and they had better health care systems than we do here in UK. Granted it is all paid for by insurance companies but it works and provides better care than the NHS
This young lady has obviously not spent a lot of time in their healthcare system. According to left logic she's speaking from a place of healthy privilege and should not be representing views that she has no real experience with.
"should not be representing views that she has no real experience with" But then the "Left" would have nothing at all to say about anything, ever... ;-)
After years working in the medical and pharmaceutical industry in canada, that those who like the health care system there don't really need it. Once someone really needs it for something serious, then they find out, it's a crappy system. I got out, back in the 2000s, and I know it's only gotten worse from then.
she hadn't learned because schools in the west are seminaries for leftist religious doctrines; schools don't produce educated people, they produce ideologues.
She actually listened and learnt !! Huge respect to her. Her mind is open. She will get wiser every day of her life. She came not looking for a fight, but looking for answers.
That was a beautiful schooling lesson, Charlie. I hope she was sincere about her wanting to know/learn from your answers because she could greatly benefit from your superior knowledge.
I think she was honest in how she explained her perception of USA healthcare. I can imagine there is a person reading tarot cards in the insurance company that decides whether they will charge for paracetamol $2 or $20 for certain patient on certain occasion. You know what I mean? At least she learned something. It's problem when some issue is presented to the world from one side only and people who don't look deeper into it build their opinion on that (who has time or brainpower to research everything all the time)
I actually liked this one. She tried to set two traps for them, but when they imploded she didn't pointlessly fight it out, or try to debate a defeated point, or get really shrill or insulting...she was like 'okay,' and bowed out.
I love when people like this say "we" when they really mean themselves. She speaks as if all UK loves socialized medicine. And clearly it looks like she uses it a lot so she clearly can advocate how wonderful it is.
She probably watches stuff like Doc Martin, where all health care is free and the protagonist is a genius General Practitioner that always heals everyone. The entire show is essentially pro-NHS propaganda.
@@charvakaelysium2414 That is until someone gets UK care. The US sets health care standards and education for the rest of the world. You also have to remember, health care is not a right. It is a privilege. None of us have to work in health care. And without us, there is no health care. Just ask the third world countries. I laugh when people who don't work in health care claim it is a birth right or a human right. But as usual, they don't think it is their job to provide it. It is ignorant to claim someone has a right to something, but demands someone else provide it. The only rights a person has is what they are able to provide themselves. If they expect someone else to produce or provide it, then it is a privilege. And if people truly believed health care was a right, they would be the ones providing it and certainly advocate for third world countries to have it. But with that being said, the quality of health care is by far the best in the US. The system does need work. And that involves keeping the government out of it. It also involves having people who get tax payer provided health care to contribute to it in some way. Everyone thinks they are entitled to health care. But someone how don't think they have to help pay for it. I don't care if a person is poor. They should still have to pay something. Not fair for the working class to have to pay for people who make poor choices in life that keep them poor.
Charlie and Candace are simply amazing a dynamic duo thank you guys for being so well equipped with your facts and presenting them in a simple easy to Understand Way, God bless you
"So how does this work in your small government Mad Max world?" "Mad Max world. Ok. Well..." "I know it's not, but it kind of is." "No, no, you said it, let's go with that." Love this! Hold them to their words like they hold others to something they said decades ago.
Normal people in the UK are not like this young lady. My wife was a nurse for nearly 50 yrs and I worked for the NHS for 10 yrs. It is always in crisis.
He is spot on with the freedom to change your location. We moved from some terrible school districts in Illinois to wonderful school systems in Wisconsin. Best move we did for our children
I have an acquaintance in England that was denied a knee transplant because he was “close” to the end of his life. He was in his early 60’s and in good health. Seven years later he got his knee…so much for how good socialized medicine is.
As someone who's worked at the USPS for the last 28 years, I can tell you it's a horrible system that rewards individual laziness and punishes hard work. The unions protect the incompetent, much like police and teacher unions, in order to continue their biweekly union dues. The lowest character individuals succeed because they can easily use the system to bloat their paychecks. Individual merit doesn't exist. You are essentially a robot producing numbers which dictate their reality.
I worked as a Sheriff's Deputy for 20 yrs. I agree with you completely. I had to retire from that job because I was losing my mind with the surrounding incompetence. It was staggering.
"The lowest character individuals succeed because they can easily use the system to bloat their paychecks." So they are succeeding where you've failed. Doesn't sound like "lowest character" to me. What does that say about you? Nobody says you can't use the system to your advantage, and there's nothing illegal about it. People do it all the time in daily life, especially when it comes to taxes and write-offs. You just have to be smart. I want someone on my team who wins, not someone who loses.
@@Vladpryde Interesting how you projected "failure" on my part from my comment. It hints at which group you are affiliated with actually. High character means that what "nobody" is doing to get over doesn't alter your ethics. Low characters use "everyone else is doing it" to justify their own participation. I can work honestly within the system and still come out.
@@Mike_Daddy "It hints at which group you are affiliated with actually." Nice projection. I'm "affiliated" with the group who pulled themselves out of 20 years of poverty and excuses who now makes $100,000/year driving a truck, with no debt or excuses anymore. Meanwhile, you're making $19/hour working at a job you hate. I think I win that one. "High character means that what "nobody" is doing to get over doesn't alter your ethics." There is no "ethics" at hourly-wage work. As long as you aren't being rude to your customers or stealing from your boss, then earning money should be your only goal. It's not difficult to do, especially since so-called "low characters" are doing it. "I can work honestly within the system and still come out." Good for you. So go do it and stop whining about those who don't. Anyone who legally EARNS money gets my respect, just not the ones who complain about others. EVERY industry has a problem with low character people, at all levels of business. If you think it's bad at the Post Office, you should see the Private Security sector. Go work for a boss who drives a $90,000 Corvette to work with his company name on the license plate while he pays you $8/hour to work in a ghetto for 50 hours a week and then complain to me about bad your government job is. Sorry, but I just have little patience for people who say they have better character than those who use the system, yet still complain about it. Those doing better don't complain.
Free ("ish") universal health care is one of the hallmarks of a civilised society...the problem is that it gets abused by people who don't understand that with "freedom" comes "responsibility".
NHS has far too many managers on ridiculous salaries with not enough nurses and doctors. However, many doctors split their time between NHS and Private health. They cannot see you for 18 months on the NHS waiting list, but they could fit you for an OP next week if you went Private.
My family and I were visiting the UK in 1977 when I needed to go to the hospital because of my swollen ankle that got bigger by the minute. I was placed in a large medical ward with probably 10 other men and women. There was only one lavatory for all of us - and it was at the other end of the room. Since I couldn't walk there I had to hop on one leg to get there - approximately 30 ft. away. My medical care was excellent - my dad even sent the doctor a check after we got back to the U.S. (even though the doctor said there was no charge).
I don't really know any American who truly understands what socialized medicine is - but I sure as hell do. We need to fix our current medical system BIG TIME - it's all about making money, not about patients.
Kudos to her for actually listening. It's not her fault that she bought into a worldview that is incoherent. At least she is open-minded willing to engage and try to understand others' perspectives.
When her tactic of so-called "sarcastic wit" failed, she had nothing left to offer. But... Maybe she did learn something and chose to keep her dignity intact by leaving in a dignified way.
Sometimes I think if you could just only listen to the audio, you could probably give any a pretty good physical description of the person they are "debating" with.
Funny how she tried the entire video to get him and then finally at the end she thought she had her gotcha moment on the topic of libraries of all things and Charlie still nailed it .
The NHS is great as long as you don't have to use it. It's great for the third world who can fly into London and get first world medical care for the price of a plane ticket.
I love how she gets absolutely wrecked on her first question, acts self righteous and sarcastic on her second question, only to get wrecked again and walk off. Incredible.
Her biggest argument for Socialism ended up being Libraries? Seriously? After the Post Office and Health Care fell through, that was her “example”? What a joke.
she actually thought that because she's slightly above average looking for an SJW that she was "so clever" and going to show Charlie - what's what. I don't think it went as she planned.
😆 🤣 anyone who has had a serious health problem and experienced socialized medicine in Britain knows there is rationing, waiting lists, and bureaucrats deciding who deserves treatment and how much. There's a reason people fly to America if they can manage it in order to get what they need. What was the name of the child the British essentially sentenced to death instead of providing treatment? I'm sure he wasn't the only one.
That's absolutely true. A family member (now passed away) had cancer and the NHS openly said based on his contributions across the years working what kind of treatment they would provide. If he worked less, illegal or whatever they would not give him certain treatment. So, no NHS is not free, it is not easily accessible. If you go to the doctors you're treated like you're taking up their time of which they have only 10 minutes per visit for you. If you have more than two concerns then you need another appointment.
I Know of a guy from Texas who had CF. By the time he was around 50 he needed new lungs. But because he had CF from his youth, the cost of medical coverage for him was huge. When he needed the lungs, his insurance co said not covered under his limited plan. So he went to Medicaid for assistance. They rejected him because he was a working person. The US medical system essentially sentenced him to death instead of providing him treatment.
Tens of thousands of Americans die every year because they can’t afford healthcare. No child is denied healthcare if it is in their interest in the U.K. Look up the statistics, you pay more for much less with worse outcomes.
Used to be a fan of a national health care, not anymore 1. Government inefficiency runs rampant throughout the "system" 2. The "system" is run for interest groups .. which does not include patients 3. Innovation .. perhaps I am wrong but I can not recall a single innovative product / service coming out of the national health system
What a poor dense girl. My niece, Welsh, had a bladder infection for three years because she had to use the socialized health system of the UK. Apparently, when she finally got to a specialist, she got an antibiotic and was cured. That would have happened with an initial visit in the States.
The NHS is appalling, a massive waste of money and ability. Most doctors are severely limited in what they can think, let alone what they can do! Outcomes for the NHS are very poor, even on the fixed parameters that we function under.
We have terrible socialist expensive healthcare in canada but that does not include dentistry. Your teeth affect your health but for some reason the dentists are in the free market
@SIMPSON Bart When they take your money through Taxes, should you have to pay for private appointments? NO! The nhs sux because Socialized Government sux at these types of Programs!
I've got unexplained weight loss and weakness. I've just waited TEN MONTHS for a phone call from the specialist at my local NHS hospital. It turns out it's NOT serious, it can be fixed. But they didn't know that. It it had been cancer, I still would've waited ten f*ckin' months and by now I'd be dead or incurable. Got a letter from the specialist today, I'm holding it in my hand right now. My follow-up appointment is in NOVEMBER. CLAP FOR THE NHS? No.
Thats insane. I got anxious about cancer symptoms and got an appointment(s) and tests done withing days and weeks of each other. And that was in the middle of the pandemic when I was warned waiting times would be longer and it was harder to get appointments. Also I'm poor af and my insurance sucks balls but I found out what was wrong.
Well, here in the States, I have a choice as to whether I want to pay for insurance rather than have it removed from paycheck against my will at an inflated rate. If one can't afford to pay for insurance, they get state Healthcare free of charge via Medicaid and Medicare.
And in the UK we don't worry about illness/health as the NHS works for everyone. In America a inhaler is approx £200, in the UK it only costs £9.......etc etc etc
Having a baby in USA is roughly $10'000, in the UK its a big fat 0. I pay 26% in taxes with my monthly pay (income tax & N. I) A percentage of this goes towards my health insurance. Therefore if I became very ill and had to stay in hospital for 2 or even 4 months it would not cost me a single penny (cent) America cannot beat that' "even Canada got this sussed
You just don't get it or understand do you.... My N. I is a health insurance that I pay monthly (about £50-60) and it covers ALL MY HEALTH CARE, anytime, any place and anywhere REGARDLESS of my Medical Needs/Requirements. It's just a real shame that there are still Americans who are brainwashed into believing the US system actually works.... Check out USA vs British Healthcare. I'm not lying to you. Yes' the NHS is not perfect but trust me I don't live in fear of becoming ill or having to go to a hospital..... American health insurance etc is the laughing stock of the world, your Healthcare is Third World my friend
For what it’s worth I would like to apologise on behalf of Britain for this archetype of young woman, Britain is littered with them and it’s really quite sad.
Well, Like, you really Like, hit the, Like, nail on the head there, Like! :-) Was that Candace Owens at the other end of the panel? So glad she was'nt picked on, She'd have verbally torn her a new one
I would like to know how Charlie recommends the implementation of his ideas for healthcare in terms of years. I am on his side, but that would be my question if they ever came to Australia. I’m sure he would have a brilliant answer but nobody seems to ask him about how capitalism looks within a 5-10 year period in his ideal situation. That kind of question would actually generate interesting answers.
There would be a bump in price followed by a cliff. Simply because companies who benefited from the state would have an edge and will be able to decide the pricing. Then it's followed by competitors who see that they can do the same for way cheaper. Then companies realized they can play on other parameters etc. So, yes, for 5 to 10 years, prices would raise. The interesting part is after the 10 years or so. If you look at flat panels, within 10 years, they became cheaper than their cathodic counter part. Same with computer which are about 10% of the cost and are way faster.
its precisely like how eye surgery works in his example. same principle applies to everything. eye surgery will never be free because doctors need to get paid too but isnt expensive so more access
@@m1a1abrams3 It's a basic laws and socialist like to show the small bump and despise showing the huge valley that follow. This works admirably well, because most people can't think as far as 5 years. It's so prevalent that we called that "the right to be forgotten", because before Internet, after 5 years, whatever you did was completely erased, unless you left physical evidence (like killing someone). Our mind are not shaped to think in long time frames. It's even why some people can't understand evolution. The time-frames are so huge that they escape comprehension. As human, we are more limited than we believe ^^ Funny thing is that if those things get externalized "Imagine someone who would have to take a decision ..." then most people are able to work out things on more than 10 years. It's also why it's easier to help someone else than oneself. It's just that we shift perspective and are somehow freed of some limitations. And if you want to see that in effect, kids are even more limited, so they hardly conceive what is a week ^^ So, waiting a few days is the equivalent of months for adults. (And that kind of stuff is important to know for teachers ^^)
One thing that would cost nothing, but open up the door to change is to get rid of unnecessary regulation. There are many areas of healthcare that would need smaller scope of specialisation. We don't need doctors or their permission for everything. I used to live in Poland. There is national healthcare there as well. Obviously there is a lot of waiting, problem with resources, etc. At some point I remember a small, private blood test laboratory opened. For a small amount of money (I remember it was 20zl per test, which is around £5) you could test your blood for some kind of concern you had. It was so easy to do and inexpensive. You could go than to your doctor and present the results and go from there. It cuts out at least one visit (where you ask the doctor for the form and the doctor decides whether it's not too much pressure on the system to allow you the test). Now even in UK before you see a GP they ask you what kind of problem you have, so maybe just seeing a nurse would be enough. Maybe it's a proof we could have more levels of specialisation and that would bring the cost down as well.
It's a kind of dumb click-bait title. Charlie did a great job educating the blue-haired girl - he didn't "destroy" her - they had a useful exchange of ideas, and it was entertaining, too.
