Charlotte Fry & Everdale danced their way to victory | FEI Dressage World Cup Mechelen 2023 

FRRRR😂😂😂😂😂so sad what ppl will do to win💔💔😞

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@@thunderowl1442 Ok im glad Im not the only one who looked at the spit flying and thought "Well thats not normal"

Ikr?! It's just so ✨aesthetic✨

The comments u stated were not accurate . Proper engagement is lowering hindquarters . The horse is carrying itself and this isn’t Rolkur. He reins are actually not that tight and she is using her seat every stride .

He has a blue tongue and is showing multiple stress signs, his necks really hyperflexed and he WAS behind the verticle the entire time. This infact is rolkur hes constantly opening and closing his mouth, his tongues blue and he has wite asf eyes.@@carolannlocks

@@carolannlocks The horse has an open and grimacing mouth, look at 2:35 his tongue is blue, tongue is hanging out the side of his mouth, he is trying to escape the pain. (cc: @alinebandau3982 )

@@carolannlockswhat do you mean her seat, a crushed blue tounge doesn’t happen automatically?🤔

Are you new to watching dressage

Tension? Why is tail swinging not wringing?

This is everdale

The term 'happy mouth' is used when a horse creates a foamy dribble, this is a good indication that the horse is happy and accepting of the bit as the tongue can relax and the jaw can supple under a soft hand.

happy mouth is different than oversalivating, a horse drooling is not a happy mouth.@@YayasWhimsicalBrush

@@YayasWhimsicalBrush Are you one of the commentors who go to the mens videos and bash them for the same thing?? While you spoiled arrogant females get a free pass?

I’m no expert. But at 2:38 of this clip you can see horses tongue outside his mouth on side closest to letter P. I have never seen a horse with a grey tongue before I have only seen pink tongues. But if this horse usually has a pink tongue then their is a lack of blood flow going to this horse’s tongue, and if that is the case the rider should immediately be disqualified.

@@philippus4590I absolutely agree his tongue was practically blue. This is ridiculous and the fact the judges didn’t make note of it and stop them right there is gobsmacking to me. And for this to win is disgusting. There needs to be a serious investigation into this.

wow, thanks for pointing it out

You can see what Everdale's tongue normally looks like in a video touring Van Olst Stables. As the camera and crew walk up to his stable, he sticks his tongue out to the camera and it's very obviously a nice pink colour. Just makes the blue tongue shown here all the more obvious 😔

AGREED

How bout the half pass??? Absolutely horrendous!!! If this wins an FEI, dressage is finished....

U have to stand. There is no other way! If you don't than anything is lost of reclaim welfare.

What did you change to. I want to get into dressage but not if its harming the horse I don’t understand why they’re all about rollkur these days, sickening! Winning wouldn’t matter to me so much as it would be the connection and being about love. So what event do you do so I can look into it!!

Yes, they are really a perfect duo. I dont know if it is only me but I am putting also Dujardins riding under a question...

Das Rollkur noch erlaubt ist, ist Tier-Quälerei. Diese unphysiologische Kopf und Nackenhaltung würde uns Menschen im Vergleich zum Wahnsinn treiben.

And men are better riders. Plus you dont see all the body parts bouncing like you do women. The men are dignified. The women dress in mens clothing trying to act like men. Its grotesque.

They are!

I am afraid they are not blind but selected

Agreed! This was basically 2m circles not pirouettes!

Look at the transitions. You can't get transitions like these without coming form behind.

@andtrrrot look at the heavy use of the curb and the over-curl in the neck the horse won't (can't?) release even in the walk. This is the death of classic dressage.

correct@@andtrrrot

​@@lmarislmarislmaris4271Who could possibly relax with this medley of "pop" sounds combined into "music?"

@@lmarislmarislmaris4271 They used to abuse carriage horses like that by the rich, for "class"

The horse is so curled even at the walk and she's got a death grip on that curb.

More interesting and entertainment. Trained properly, any music style is classical. Bravo for the daring change..❤❤

Females always get a free pass. The men get discriminated against! There needs to be lawsuits against these disgusting feminists!

@@happyday9710 wtf why the hell are you saying this is ok it hurts the horse and can end up killing them. ffs how clueless do you have to be to think this ok. You disgust me

What Is there unbelievable? Tell me? Don't be naiv !!! U really don't know anything I see how this world is build up!!! That is disgusting! Open ur eyes!!! Nobody anywhere changes riding just because of that 10-Minute -procedure.

@@Surfing1709 the unbelievable thing is that people think this is ok. This horses tongue is blue and his body is stiff and tense. The curb chain is also tight af. There is also no relaxation for this poor horse. If your talking about rolkur it is no ten minute process they hold the horses head to there chest normally for the whole training session. I don’t see how you could say that this is ok.

Who is this

Oh for goodness sakes, as if

Um Gotteswillen. Hoffentlich ist das nicht wahr!

thank you for this comment on saddle knee rolls. I had not realized how dressage saddles have changed over time.

Yes, can clearly see how often he is opening his mouth....alot

Agree

@@monikasaringer1152 funny how it is clear to us but the judges were oblivious.

The saddle was the first thing I noticed. Dear Lord that test looked weird

she just braided the top and added in some tail extensions! none of this hurts the horse, if you look at the American hunter jumpers, they do it all the time! :)

I don't think this is rollkur however I do think the horse is not in the best frame it could be in and is tending to be behind the vertical and I agree that his poll is not horizontal to the ground (which is where it should be). Behind the vertical is generally a sign of a lack of strength in the horse because they can't hold themselves in the correct frame, and thus they are working in an artificial frame that doesn't allow them to be moving through. It can also depend on the horse's natural tendencies with how they carry themselves. That or the rider is not riding the horse into the frame properly. Rollkur is far more exaggerated and aggressive, and horses ridden like that tend to be far more overbent, with their chins close to or straight-up touching their chest, and their heads often end up leaning towards being nearly horizontal to the ground in some cases.

Ahh, thank you for that informative response!

Agreed,his head could be slightly lower but you can see at the end when she gives him rein he has a natural high head carriage anyway.

@@Kat-mu8wq Horses with high head carriages can 100% be taught to lower and stretch out their head and necks, as well as be taught to carry themselves properly and not fall behind the vertical. I know this because I have managed to do this with my own horse who has a naturally high head carriage, and I am just an average horse rider who finds time to work with their horse outside of their job. This is Grand Prix, the highest level of dressage and one of the highest levels of horsemanship in the world, a horse working in a proper frame should be considered the bare minimum. I apologise for being very upfront, but having now seen some closer observations of this test, I am quite upset about this test and the equestrian world's persistent tendency to make excuses for these top riders. Some people have now studied this footage (and some more close-up footage) and found a number of instances where Everdale is poking his tongue out, which is a sign of distress in horses. Not only that, but his tongue looks like it is lacking proper circulation, looking grey/blue rather than pink. To make matters worse, one of these instances occurred right in front of a judge's box, and they were not marked down at all, and then they ended up winning the competition. Some footage taken from a front seat in the crowd before the test even began has also come out showing a close up of his head, and he clearly looks to be in distress. In my initial reply to op, while I was being critical of the ride, I was also giving some benefit of the doubt by listing all possibilities of why Everdale is carrying himself like this, even suggesting that it could be his natural tendency. I now very much regret doing that. While this is not rollkur, this horse is in distress and likely in pain, and honestly I would not be surprised if it came out at some point that Fry and the stable she works at use rollkur in training.

Cliché.

Dafür müsste es bei jeder Lektion Abzüge geben von mindestens einem halben Punkt.

I’m not a dressage rider, far from it, but what do you think of her leg position?

I've seen horses do inaccurate tests, not fully stretch down to seek the contact (worth double marks) (Intro and prelim level) and still get over 74% and win. All it really comes down to is if the judge likes your horse or not. One judge absolutely hates my gelding and has always marked him very low when she's on. Yet he'll go exactly the same way and another judge will score him high.

Can you ride like that? You shouldn’t judge if your not at least as good as her

May ai suggest that you get glasses?

@@andtrrrot my I suggest you get a brain and some common sense!

Everdale

About Glamourdale. I saw interviews here in RU-vid. Fry in the stable at Glamourdales box. It‘s a strange distance between her an Glamourdale. Even the way she talks about him. Strange. She was closer to Everdale on that video. Seems like she has no good relationship to her long trained Superstar. Look, how she loves and treats her dog. Full of love. Very different. Seems a little bit strange. She although seems to be very stressed out, when she rides the tests .

First piaffe I've seen with more expression in the rear than the fore. Poor horse BTV even at the walk.

Just my own opinion here...I've thought the same for many years now. Breeding for an exagerated" hacknied" " movement, odd uphill look and sloping topline. Its looking so unnatural for what's supposed to be allowing the natural fluidity and elegance of the horse! So contradictory.

Didn’t your mommy teach you if you can’t say anything nice DON’T say anything at all

@@sandrahansen2787 The truth is not always pleasant to hear. ☺️

Fantastic

exactly!!

Why is a tail braid suspicious?

​@@andtrrrot it may cover some issues like treatments with Botox or little scars where they cut muscles. Horse does not tail swishing as he did two years before with his naturel tail.

Botox injected in the muscles. Plus a wig in the tail. Horrible

@@chiquitabanana9836 Botox? My God what has dressage become if this is an example of the lengths that riders of this level will stoop. It leaves a nasty taste and I for one am not prepared to praise this type of performance. Are horses now so expendable just in order to gratify the egos of the riders?

But there’s good news! Seasoned horse professionals were unconcerned because a horse foaming at the mouth is normal- and even a positive sign that the horse is happy and working well with its rider

A horse producing a lot of saliva can be normal, but nothing else about this performance is. @@MissJools11

@@MissJools11explain how this poor horse opening and closing his mouth again and again, and exhibiting a greyish blue tongue (meaning the tongue is not receiving adequate blood supply) are signs of a happy horse? I’ll wait.

First there was in the entries the gelding Lars van der Honderhaide. Why Glamourdale?

Did you watch "Collectiv pour les chevaux"? Blue tongue hanging out of the mouth 👿

A lot of slobbering. Almost foaming at the mouth.

HORSE IS SUFFERING!

The term 'happy mouth' is used when a horse creates a foamy dribble, this is a good indication that the horse is happy and accepting of the bit as the tongue can relax and the jaw can supple under a soft hand.

@@YayasWhimsicalBrushthe jaw can’t move, it’s taped shut by the noseband. Horse can’t yawn or cough.

Was.

Not this ride. No freedom. BTV a lot.

This wasn't dressage at all. This was a cart horse forced to do dressage movements and even then failing at that.

It was a good match. But it seems too "forced" in its composition. Too "pop" for the more traditional medleys that I prefer. But this is totally my opinion.

no you are right. this horse is in pain. his tongue is blue, he is oversalivating, and he has hyperflexion. i cannot believe such abuse can WIN the world cup??@@jaykb6587

I got chills also. Most horrific riding I e ever seen in an FEI... Horrendous

The horse was BTV even in a supposedly extended walk. Tragic is a better description.

Horrendous...

LOOK AGAIN THAT RIDE IS TERRIBLE

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"Painful and embarrassing performance" there, I fixed your comment. 👍

And his tongue is grey purple hanging out

I loved watching this video! 🙂👌

It made me cry to. With the horse being in so much obvious pain and still made to perform.

@debrastadler3406 why do you FEEL the horse was in pain? I used to ride the dressage in the 80s, and the horses were not in pain. It is a slow process, with lots of patience & training.

@@debrastadler3406 The term 'happy mouth' is used when a horse creates a foamy dribble, this is a good indication that the horse is happy and accepting of the bit as the tongue can relax and the jaw can supple under a soft hand.

I cried for a different reason.....

No. He is just so tight in the neck that he can hardly breathe. No chance for him to swallow his salvia. That's why it's drooling out. 😢

So you think rolkur and a stressed horse is ok?

Perfect at a horrendous ride. That was the most terrible ride I've ever seen in an FEI...

ok, you are right! there are Klimke and Heester and others that ride so well!!

You're right, but sadly this ride shows what is wrong with modern dressage. At what point was the poll the highest point? Why was the horse BTV the entire test?

Well real dressage is amazing, this isn't

Did you watch "Collectiv pour les chevaux"? Blue tongue hanging out of the mouth 👿

It will indeed "make up the whole sport", if it keeps being rewarded by judges this way...