CHEAP $250 Non Compensating EUPHONIUM vs $6500 Compensating EUPHONIUM. IS IT WORTH YOUR MONEY??? 

i'm surprised how good you can make the nasir ali one sound!

To my ears the JP274S and the Jupiter XO were very close, although the Jupiter XO sounded a little more "open" but still with a good "core". So, I would say the JP274S is the most bang for the buck with the caveat that it depends on how the playing characteristics compare - not just the tone. I expect you would have a beautiful tone on a garden hose. Would sure like to hear you play my circa 1977 Besson compensation euphonium.

The intonation is definitely way better on the compensating ones. I don’t even know how you made the first one sound to good, it just goes to show that the the player is the most important peice of the puzzle.

Stares at the Cimbasso the entire time...

I'd like to listen euphonium sound soo much, but in my opinion the Jupiter XO is much better sound the the others. The white one sounds much different than the others but on this price it's sill great, couse the player is awesome :DD . Be good

I could hear a clear difference in tone between each of the first three euphs, but not too much of a difference between euph 3 and euph 4, atleast not 4000 dollars of difference.

The most interesting thing to me between the Nasir Ali and the Gemeinhardt is the difference in slotting tendencies. The Nasir Ali rides high on the slot, and the Gemeinhardt has a tendency to really sag on the pitch, making it less favorable in my opinion to listen to, and yet to the untrained ear, the drooping pitch can sound darker and more euphonium-like. Still, as the proud owner of a JP-274, in my opinion, it wins the value contest, from the perspective of how much bang you get for your buck!

First of all, you are an excellent player and a great ambassador for the euphonium community, many thanks for that! Personally I prefer the warmer and darker sound of the compensated euphonium's you have tested, but I always loved playing on my own non-compensated Besson 765 International (yes, it takes some "lip compensation" here and there...). But to make a full comparison, would it also be possible to compare these instruments in the low range? Thanks!!

It would be useful to hear your critique of the euphs..

The cheapest one had some serious intonation issues. I'm normally not a fan of expensive instruments, but I gotta admit, that 7 $7000 beast was clear, intonated and beautiful!

Nice comparison. I would love to see a similar comparison with some notes in the lower register for the fullness aspect of the overall sound. Also, just want to say, you do a wonderful job of bringing attention to a beautiful and often ignored and not widely recognized instrument. And you seem to have a teacher's heart. Kudos and thanks.

I can't really judge when you make them all sound so good. Straight up, my sister had no idea you were even changing instruments throughout the video

Hi friends! Hope everyone had a great Easter. Here's a little comparison of two non compensating euphs and two compensating euphs. Let me know which one you think is the best band for your buck. Links to all instruments in the description box. See you all on Wednesday for live session of Holst Second Suite in F. Stay well peeps!

For me most important thing is gasket between an instrument and a chair:) But, seriously, in expensive ones intonation and tone more better,than in cheap ones. But it will doesn’t matters if you can’t play good enough to show this difference.

Thank you so much my school is pretty strict when it comes to instruments. In 5th and 6th I played clarinet, then in 7th I played bass clarinet. But in 7th you can’t switch instruments, co I’m thinking euphonium can be a side instrument I can play on my free time.

I absolutely LOVE how the XO plays! A local music store is loaning one to me right now and I'm hoping to be able to buy it from them. The tone quality feels so much more open and resonant and it's so nice to play more in tune than I could on my old student model horn. Also just feels great to play in general!

You can make every single one of those sound so good!

My impression is that at your level the difference is more in how fun they are to play than the resulting sound. BTW this is the best instrument comparison I ever saw!

The fact he even bothered buying the cheap one My tutor has the last one, and I think I have the second last one, but mine is gold Update: I now have a silver euphonium that costs about $2000

Honestly, the cheap one sounded surprisingly good for that price point. Its obviously hard to make that judgement without knowing how hard it to make it sound that good, but the difference in tone quality compared to the difference in price makes me think it might be a worthwhile purchase for a middle school player.

Nasir Ali was surprisingly good for money- might be worthwhile for jazz projects. JP was stunningly good and not just good for the money. But you could make a garden hose sound great.

From what I could hear, both intonation and tone got better the more expensive the instrument was, although the difference between the Nasir Ali and the other ones was the most significant. I'm still surprised how good (read: not bad) the first one sounded, would love to hear the euphonium I've been playing for over two years now (Monzani MZEP-1150, compensating, 549€) in comparison to your Jupiter when both are played by a professional player. I'm still pretty convinced that a more expensive instrument shows its qualities the most when being played by a skilled player, while a beginner will usually sound relatively similar on low-end and high-end instruments.

I play bass clarinet why am I here?

Honestly, you make very good content. I remember when you had 1.5k subs a couple years back, you deserve the growth.

The nasir ali didn't sound as good. It might be a good one for a beginning player who might not stick with it. But one thing you cannot test in this video is how durable the horn is. I bought an inexpensive made in China euphonium when I was exploring switching from trumpet to euphonium. It worked well at first. Of course it was horribly out of tune, but that was mostly corrected with the tuning slides. But as time wore on the linkages on the rotary valves began to wear out. Soon I not only had a euphonium, but a full percussion section as well with all the clicking and clacking of the valve linkages. Moral of the story, not all the deficiencies of a cheap horn will show up immediately.

I'll take the Jupiter. Thank you.

Is there any Euphoniums that are cheap, but are really good? Also one that uses a small bore mouthpiece?

Jupiter: _Yes._ JP: Nice Gemini: Ehh... Nasir Ali: eeeueghh.... its all over the place

For reasons important only to me, I NEED to play an uncompensating horn. I want the best I can get for wind ensemble, possibly an occasional solo. Opinions?

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After a life time of playing mainly Conn or Yamaha baritones and trombones, I now playing my first Nasir Ali euphonium. It's a dream horn! Each day I play a noon-time concert, and the horn performs magnificently.

Amazing how good they all sound in your hands. I certainly tell that you were trying to hard to sound good on both the Nasir and Gemeinhardt .... the JP was the first in the serious to be taken seriously as a "good" horn, that's when the true warmth of the instrument started to really come through. If cash was of no option...I'd buy the XO (it's a beaut) but realistically the JP would serve my needs.

Don't mean to be rude but we (the audience) can only judge by the little speakers attached to our computer, surely the person best placed to answer the question posed is you, the player. Was a little disappointed not to hear your opinion of the instruments.

Man I had to quit band because they didn’t want to move me to honors and now I’m homesick, homesick for a euphonium playing opportunity 😿

What's the difference between Non-Compensating and Compensating?

Jupiter definitely has the best tone. It's rich and dark, absolutely beautiful. The JP274S, however, came close and, considering its price, is much more budget friendly. Out of curiosity, though: what model do you personally play (even if it's not one of these)?

to me here's my price to sound ratio: 1. Gemeinhardt 2. Nasar Ali 3. JS 4. XO I don't play euph so its from a buyers perspective

The manufactures retail number versus actual cost, in some cases it's 100% markup, for wiggle room for dealers, to move product, $6500 v $3250, proposed and negotiated figures vary from store to store, the cheapo sounds not all that cheap!!! The audiences are mostly tin eared anyway, couldn't tell a good horn from a cheapo.....

No matter what spending $6500 on a chunk of metal is absolutely absurd. If you're good at the instrument you can make anything sound nice. Imagine how you'll feel once it get's dented or stolen. Most people don't even make $6500 a year, imagine spending a person's entire low wage salary on an instrument. It's ridiculous. It's the equivalent to buying a fucking Bugatti as a daily. Nice playing though!

The JP274S is best for the money. The Nasir Ali are perfect for high school.

Naser Ali: 0:41 Gemeinhardt: 1:12 JP274s: 1:43 Jupiter XO: 2:13 Naser Ali: 4:00 Gemeinhardt: 4:15 JP274s: 4:29 Jupiter XO: 4:45

Surprised at how well the Nasir Ali one sounded compared to the gemeinhardt

Great playing! I loved the way you looped through the different horns for comparison. In the second song, it seemed like the Gemeinhardt couldn't land the B in tune compared to the other horns. Overall, I like the tone and intonation of the JP274s. Great job!

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Hey can u review this euph John Packer JP374T Sterling Trigger Euphonium?

Algirdas, you sound great on ALL of the horns, but what did you seriously think of the Nasir Ali? Was it free blowing? You made it sound terrific! I played Euphonium up through college and was a Music Education major for a couple of those years, but haven't played in a while (around 30 years now). I never owned my own horn as I always played school owned instruments, but have played professional level Besson horns and a Willson Euphonium, but it's been years ago. I am considering getting back into playing and have thought about possibly buying something like the Nasir for now to get myself reacquainted with the instrument since it's been quite a while. I still have my Schilke small shank mouthpiece I could use. What do you think? Is that horn even worth considering? Not for concert performances, but just to get restarted on the horn. Thank you!! LOVE your channel by the way!!

I want to know what mouthpiece you prefer! I assume you used the same one on all of the horns? Thanks :)

Hey Matonizz. I've been reading through a lot of forums and threads, as well as watching and rewatching your reviews on the euphos. But for a while now, I've been caught between the JP274s and the Wessex Dolce. Due to living in an area of Australia that doesn't have a JP stocking store nearby, it's hard to drive to a store to playtest it. I wanted to ask about your opinion between the two, the tones of each, the pros and cons, and whether you prefer one over the other? The JP is apparently thicker compared to the Dolce, and I'll need a horn that will be pretty durable/repairable. Also, have you had any experiences with the Austin Custom Brass Doubler Euphonium? It seems to be a good choice too.

The plastic eupho rocks for gritty feeling. It’s out of tune and rough as hell, but is also much less slick and more alive. Think of Bryan Ferry singing ‘Johnny and Mary’ with his ruined voice!

Lots of discussions about which PRC brass brands are meritous or junk. Their price points are changing the market. But some manufacturers deserve consideration and other brands need ignoring.

Song?

The cheaper 2 were restrictive in their projection. I own a JP274S and only recently can I detect the better tone of the $$$ Jupiter.

Gemainhardt seemed not to be in tune with itself. Very nice playing.

As a (once upon a time) 15-year player I’m afraid I can’t tell much difference. Larry

I guess if you’re a college or high school student on a budget, that JP would be the best “bang for your buck”. If you’re looking to go professional, then the Jupiter horn would be the best thing to purchase of course. If I’m a middle band director trying to outfit my students on a school horn, with a limited budget, then I’d go for that $1000 non compensating Euph. That white one isn’t that bad, but I’m guessing that you’re finessing the hell out of that horn. Personally, I wouldn’t want to be going around playing on that horn. I’d get roasted by every single being on the planet. Kudos though!

I'd love to see a comparison between traditional compensating euphoniums and the 4 valve (tuba style? I don't know exactly what to call them)

I do not play euphonium. Did I watch this whole video. Yes. Awesome.

What is most interesting is how good you can sound through cheaper instruments - beginner & intermediate players are not really going to be held back by these instruments. Also - and I may be biased because I have a JP374st - I think the 274 is pretty close to the XO - And the 374, being heavier, might be even closer. I suspect the JP will be the best return on money spent because it should be quite durable,

The first one is not the best, but for $250 you're definitely not wasting your money.

Huge difference between the cheapest one and the $1000 one, then no real noticeable difference between the $1k & $2.25k one, then another noticeable difference between the mid tier ones and the $7k one.

Anything instrument form Amazon would be terrible

does compensating matter if you aren't playing low enough to use the 4th valve?

Very nice I can definitely hear that they get more clear as it's gets higher quality. I like the Gemeinhardt the best in my opinion

Even though i'm a Bass Trombone player, the first one really caught my eye as my next purchase.

Intonation is the most important by far.

For me the Jupiter has a more complete full sound. The others lack the ability to fill the room in the same way the Jupiter does. It gives it a slight edge and pros want every advantage possible.

The Jupiter XO 1270s definitely has the best natural tone quality (in my opinion). Its warm, dark, full, and rounded, and that's just how i like it. The intonation sounds very accurate as well, its also able to fill the room. I would love to put my money into this euphonium, but its simply over budget for me. The other euphonium i would take is the JP274s, I have actually been looking at it for a while now, and it pleases me so far

I'll take the 2nd or 3rd one. I did hear the difference in tone from the 1st one to the 2nd one. You can hear the toyish sound from the Nasir Ali. The 4th one is ok but not for the price.

I have a school owned yamahah neo I'm really lucky to have such a good instrument

What is that Nasir Ali euphonium made of?

Though the quality of the instrument improves as you go up the list, it's clear that it really depends on the musician. As long as an instrument functions, it's the musician that matters.

I can't tell the difference. So if I were playing, I would go for the cheap one.

What mic did you use? I am questioning what mic to get and this sounds really good!

Kinda prefer the JP to the XO to be honest. I like the lighter more "closed in" tone.

the cheap one isn't bad but it's not exactly good either. great for its price though i suppose.

I have a Jenkins baritone that is small it's smaller than the regular baritone but do I have?

Hello I saw that you did a video comparing the Schiller Elite to a JP 274s. I have been looking at a Wessex dolce and I was wondering how it held up against these two horns

As a student musician, and on into a college music program, I never knew ANYONE who played a compensating euphonium. They were VERY rare, and prohibitively expensive. Yet, we ALL played in tune, because we were taught how to hear and play in pitch.For some very subjective and specific reasons, I need to use a non-compensating euphonium now, and I’m looking for the best one I can find. This video will be a huge help to me in finding what will work best for me. THANK YOU for this demo!

the cheapest one is agressive sounding but the others are sort of mellow its ok if ye get cheap but expensive ones are worth it

Funny thing is I have that $200 one😳

nobody ever knows what a euphonium is 😢

I play the Yamaha euphonium it was $750

I'm not entirely sure which one I have. It sounds the closest to the second one.

You are such a good player that you can make a cheap instrument sound good!

The first one was kinda stifled and the last two sounded more pure.

Mines one of a really expensive ones O-O it’s more expensive than the last one

The sound difference is not as big as the difference of the price

There is no Nasir Ali listed at Amazon

I think the JP felt more easy to project from what I heard whereas the Jupiter was way more mellow in a sense. But I think the Gemeinhardt sounded decent in terms of tone but of course the intonation would need some getting used to or adjustments. Great comparison!

I have a 274S and have been very happy with it. Even if I had the bucks, I wouldn't spend 6 grand on a horn.

Idk i think the difference is abismal lol

The JP274s is amazing. I would buy that is I could play Eupho (Tuba player). Have trouble reading Eupho music notes but no issues with Tuba for some reason.

He succeeded at making them all sound good, but I could tell that it took a lot more effort to make the plastic one sound good. The last two sounded a bit different but I wouldn't say either was better or worse. The non-compensating one I could tell that he had to put more effort in centering the pitch, even in the high register (in the video recorded lines I didn't see him use the fourth valve, but the comensating ones the lower harmonies were more in tune).

Wanna get the nasir ali and bring it to a high school rehearsal as a joke

you make anything sound good!!!!

dude the horns don't sound good, YOU sound good.

www whiteのEuphoniumがとても可愛いw so cute www とても面白い企画でした！ Good！

It’s tinier than I thought

the most expensive one was realy in tune, thats what u pay for

I play baritone in band class :)