Cheating on our RED Camera - Sony Venice 6K Cinema Camera 

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Bahahahaa 🤣

uh you did not see anything sony

LMG: You mean, PROPERLY cooled?

"Because, hey, YOLO!" - Linus

@@rzkrdn8650 Thanks, you made my day

Its a review unit that they have to sent back no? So i don't think they bought it.

​@@navneeths459 ...yet

The LMG Movie is coming

What else hasn't LMG got yet ?

I say Brandon shoot for the stars and ask Daddy Linus for an Arri LF

LTT in 4 weeks: so we sold our Sonys for an Arri Alexa

Welp, now they got 6 of the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K cameras lol

I came from the future where this has become reality.

I mean they did literally switch to FX6's and the FX3 soooo.

Sadly RU-vid algorithms don't like camera reviews. At least they created ShortCircuit.

OreoCupcakes Its not about the Algorithms, mate, People just don’t care as much.

@@NickTheSickDick I don't think it's that people don't care, they don't understand. I for one, wish I enjoyed this video more, but I don't as much because I don't understand the technical part of the camera.

Yes would love a full review

FizzyFrys Most people simply aren’t that interested in these cameras, even computer geeks and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.

CineBlogs yes. With Brandon hosting as well. We don’t see Brandon enough.

@ Jono and Brandon for more

Yes plz

Seconded.

Pretty please?

ShortCircuit pretty please with sprinkles and a cherry on top

Sony‘s actual designation is MPC-3610

was "A7" hard to remember?

@@alex0589 it's not hard to remember, their naming is inconsistent though. Like you have the a6000, followed by a6300 then a6500 Followed by the a6600 so the numbers don't change consistently. There's also the a6400 which is a fundamentally different videocamera so kinda little confusing. And then you have the a7 that just uses generations instead of different names unlike their video cameras. Their entire camera lineup is just insanely inconsistent and doesn't make senses

@@nickrr3626 the a6000 lineup is a bit screwy but the A7/R/S is not - its very consistent and easy to remember

@@nickrr3626 a6000/6100 is low budget aimed, A6300/6400 is mid budget aimed and A6500/6600 pro budget aimed. Yes its a bit wierd but quiet easy to figure out. But still they should just have called it A6000II A6300II and A6500II like they do with A7 (fullframe series) S/-/R (MP) I/II/III/IV (Version). ILCE = Interchangable Lense Camera E-Mount a6xxx apsc Series a7 Fullframe a9 Fullframe Sport ILCA = Interchangable Lense Camera A-Mount a56/68 apsc slt Series a77 apsc slt pro a99 fullframe slt pro a500 dslr apsc a700 apsc pro a900 fullframe pro

why boi why

@@Neuer_Alias_erstellen because my internet connection barely keeps up with 480p, anything higher than that is just impossible to watch

@@Neuer_Alias_erstellen cause RU-vid/Netflix has capped highest quality to 480p across India due to this home quarantine shit.

240p

@@Mmkharwade whoa, the hell? I know they made it default in some countries, but all ltt video's are still 4k or even 8k at auto when I launch them. Lithuania here though, we have great internet, gigabit personally for cheap

We don't hear from them too often because they are editors and shooters, not the writers / hosts. I would also like to see them more

I miss those old days

there is genuine enthusiasm in there videos and they are fresh about it (maybe the others are a bit tired at it or maybe its just me)

Brandon is cool :) Taran feels way to 'look at me I'm funny and need attention' but that might just be a matter of taste ;)

Yes

Sure, why not? We're already here anyways.

Christian Stout especially in low light, I want to see the iso difference mentioned.

Philip Bloom posted a long 2 hour long review of the FX9 just watch that video if you want to see the two features Brandon mentioned, Dual ISO and Variable ND stops. it's also a very beautiful relaxing watch, made by a Fantastic Cinematographer, it's worth the time, even more in this quarantine time, nobody has as much free time as now.

Yes, ALL the REDs.

@@MuhammadKharismawan exactly!

Yes. Give us that full fledged video on the LTT Chanel. We're waiting for it. Plus, you know that expensive tech stuff do well on RU-vid ;)

N R basically every Tech video ever.

mo numba mo betta!

Tech at its finest! Gotta boost those numbers, man! Those are rookie numbers!

@@10010110100102Error Yeah! My phone's ISO can go up to 1600! To think that a common smartphone can reach almost half of what a 90k does... I bet my phone even gets more grain than that does...

Ngl didn't understand half the terminology

That's what you have insurance for. The rule usually is that there's no need to be extra cautious, be careful that's enough.

I've used a Phantom camera before which is rough 150k and man I almost shat myself ahaha

The camera was loaned to them by Sony. They did not buy it.

ND filters block light. 1 stop of light is 1 power of 2. So if an ND filter is 2 stops, it reduces the amount of light by 4x

I agree that these vids would be better if they were about vulgarization and not about just giving a tour of some piece of hardware. I am a camera person and i cringe a bit every time i see cameras and lenses reviewed by "tech" channels. (this guy knows his stuff, that's not the point) Cameras were around for 200 years before they became computers with sensors and the basics are unknown to most people, it'd be nice of the script included some education for everyone, even if you don't usually do that for pc parts because pc people might already know a little about how their PCs work, sorta.

>ND filter = like expensive sunglasses, blocks light without changing the colors or tint, you want that when you shoot in bright light but don't want to change your camera settings aka change the look. **built-in NDs** means they are small pieces of glass that can slip in front of the sensor and get darker, as the cameraperson desires.------------ >PL mount = mechanical way to attach most "cinema lenses" to cameras developed by the German company ARRI. consists of the metal back of the lens and the front of the camera. (Cameras like REDs have interchangeable lens mounts to change from cheaper "photo" lenses like canon EF mount to ARRI PL, for example.) Originally designed for film cine cams.--- >ISO = sensitivity of the sensor (called ASA for film). ISO 100 in a dark room? cant see anything. ISO 1600? better. Brightness depends on 2 additional settings, Shutter Speed and the IRIS in the lens. >"Dual ISO" means it's a good low-light camera, basically)--------- >V mount battery= A standard for the (way you mount) big ass batteries to cameras and other accessories. (you also see something called Gold Mount batteries on sets).--------- >ARRI Alexa= Remember that German company? They make cameras and lights and stuff and have been for 103 years. Their Digital camera is called Alexa. ------- There's been many different iterations of it in the last 10 years. It is widely used on sets all around the world. The Avengers (2012) was one of the big blockbusters that used it when the industry started switching from film to digital.--------- >Sony Venice= Sony's "CineAlta" top of line Cine camera. Sony has a long history of Digital cinema cameras going back to the star wars prequels.----------- >FULL FRAME= a sensor that is the same size as old 35mm PHOTO negatives. First digital full frame camera to have HD video features was the Canon 5D Mark2 in 2008. Historically, film or sensors used in cine cameras were a bit smaller. So, full frame= more light hitting a bigger sensor AKA better low light *also* capacity for shallower *depth of field* =backgrounds softly out of focus. --------------- Hope this can help.

which terms specifically?

@@alex0589 Thank you very much for clarifying. I was also wondering, what exactly the terms meant. Although I could've kinda guessed some ones.

Accurate

Rip linus kids they probably all got dropped

When he picked it up and felt the balance I got nervous, I had to remind myself that he wasn't Linus.

That's why Linus isn't the one doing the unbox...

Almost explicitly yeah.

The alexa goes for 9k-6k second hand. That's not a fair comparison. I'd say the mini lf or the lf is a better comparison.

then sony says.. its already watercooled.. that's why its so heavy. sony does crazy things at times... like the camera with phone though they market it the other way round

@Brandon Lee Have you tried out the new Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2? I think that’s the most interesting camera in the market right now for 4K producing cinematographers both in terms of bang for the buck and in terms of non properitary standards. It has interchangeable mounts to switch between EF, PL, F and B4, you can directly record via USB-C and optionally directly into 2,5 inch SSDs and costs under 10k$ maxed out. It also has an integrated ND filter, 15 stops of dynamic and 300fps slow motion in full hd.

As stated in the video, it's a press unit, not LMG's camera. They get to play with it, but they have to send it back. Nice meme, though.

16 bits is honestly more useful just for compatibility convenience. The camera doesn't actually record beyond 12 bits or so. (12 bits is still more than anyone would need- even Hollywood. It's just not 16 real bits of data)

More bit is better for heavy colour correction, and sfx editing

I think it's because LTT has shifted over the years. This brings it back to a more simplified, quick, view. LTT's reviews are ludicrously in depth, whereas the RU-vid normal is closer to this channel.

@@arthurmoore9488 If you think LTT is ludicrous, check out GN's content for any hardware review

@@dongordon2754 Lol this

You also forgot which can adapt to the more standard format.

Well, at least their proprietary card is not a off the shelf ssd in a proprietary enclosure.

The feature licencing is way more egregious IMO

@@aCoreyJ does it really matter ? this is not for a common usages.. its for these rich ass high end studios.. anyone who can afford it has the money to do it..so who cares about that :P

For most Camera and Video stuff Sony defines the standards... So yeah... They are using their own standards and industry just adapted to them :D

In a blind test, you won't be able to tell the differences between the videos. After a few thousand dollars, all the cameras start looking the same. This is overpriced junk.

That'll be an expensive drop.

​ Paul Cotton Some places use a . instead of a ,

maybe that's the reason they are shooting at this point of time, when linus is in self quarantine

@@yashwanth_guduru hahahahahahahaha that makes soooo much sense, quick lets shoot it now that Linus cant leave his home ahahahahhaa, he must never come into contact with THIS !!!

@@PaulCotton Agreed but this doesn't mean he needs to be spending it. Especially during these times.

While you hear no auditory signal that the PL mount has locked you feel the friction build as it locks in. It's very easy to tell when mounting a lens whether it has locked in or not.

Breech-lock mounts are pretty common with older camera lens mounts. Considering the PL mount is from the 70ies … Yeah, to be expected. But it works, and you're not one-hand quick-swapping your 4k+ $ PL-Mount lenses, so 🤷

I highly doubt it would stand a chance against the Alexa's colour science, though. Sony's got some great engineers, but their imaging is sterile and overtly digital. Arri meanwhile has decades of experience dedicated towards film.

@@MarioAtheonio Having used the Venice, I found it to be way closer to Arri's colour science quality than Red's is. It was also way cleaner than either. I agree Sony's colours haven't been the best in the past, but the new generation Venice Colour is pretty stunning.

Christy Kail Interesting! To be honest, I’ve never worked with a Sony cine camera, just talking from my limited experience with the a7s and other Sony stills and video cameras, and the Alexa Classic and the D21.

WhatWhere Sony CineAlta cameras are in a totally different league to their stills cameras. As you’d expect!

​@@SoundSpeeding Sure, but it is the same company after all, so there is also reason to expect similar attitudes.

It's like he is in love with the camera.

nice try brandon

TJW595 that’s not that far out there when I start looking at broadcast cameras, it’s a pretty similar price to EACH camera used on a sports broadcast and they can even record for that you use a replay server (running on DOS too) that cost about $250,000 each and you broadcast truck will have 4-8 of those.

Oh yea then you didnt have a look at vision researchs phantom cameras 😅

@@TimestormFilms Yea i know about the Phantom lineup but i would consider them to be a special subset, this being a cinema camera makes it seem(?) more mainstream than it is because I mean I get that $40k for a Red cinema camera is a lot to us stills photographers who dream of even owning a Sony a9 for $3500, and i guess thats why it seems so surreal. Movies are made on Red weapons, but even so Arri exists, and this thing exists, and the broadcast cameras that @45under mentioned exist so it gets to a point where even im just like... "but why???"

100/150k normal price for cinema camera. Take a look to some Arri camera, like the Alexa.

@@SaraBearRawr0312 Because the camera cost 1/100 or 1/1000 of what a single Leonardo DiCaprio costs. It's a rounding error for production studios.

Same

-How I feel during their content about virtual machines and server settings. Lol

Machine catch light, machine make nice picture.

i wish i understood 10% of what he talked about

I just realized that I do understand everything he said

you're paying more for the support of those features. Paying that extra $ ensures everything will work all the time and given general production costs its not totally surprising.

These are for commercial use, so I don't think companies care about prices too much.

It's not a trick - it's a Sony!

The ole ibm goods as a service mentality

This is a common practice, honestly. It requires a lot of extra work for brands to get specific recording formats to function so it's common to release a camera with all the basics and release more options later at an extra cost. For example, if you want to record S-LOG3 at 30fps, that's an entirely different instruction set compared to the same recording profile but at 90fps. You have to optimize each for the datarate limits of the sensor as well as for things like rolling shutter, syncing audio, how dynamic range is used across the profile, etc. It's a lot and considering the demand for each license is low, it makes sense to have the lower hardware cost.

@Jacob Dawson I'm sorry, but no it doesn't.

@Jacob Dawson hahahah right thanks for the joke 😂

@Jacob Dawson Lamao that's a good one

I'd say the color science of the Venice, which the FX9 is SUPER close to, is much better than the RED as well. But they're so invested now, it almost wouldn't make sense to switch systems at this point.

@@ThomasPrettyman01 their workflow is also already optimizer 8K bandwidth of which the FX9 isn't able to do, I think 6K is promised in firmware update? RU-vid is and will still be the most widely used implementation on ultra high resolution Videos so they invested on that 8K long before, for future long term stash and backreferencing.

Get this comment to the top! I want a review!

Came here for the same

Are you from production?

Learner Guy No. but I feel like Brandon loves the Sony Venice so much they’re gonna buy it and we’re gonna get another unboxing video where Linus complains how we paid quarter of a million for two cameras. Wholesome entertainment

@@vaibhavjain5227 that's not happening unfortunately. replacing all their cameras at this point for something thats such an overkill (the Red already was an overkill, this is just rediculous)

OZbibaO do we watch the same channel? They’re the definition of overkill and extravagance lol. Just saying it won’t surprise me.

Honestly if this was a normal year I could see Brandon getting a Venice camera but with covid going on lmg must just be trying to survive

Actually, *professionals RENT this, that's partly why it's so expensive to buy, the price is not that steep for rental houses who expect to rent these out hundreds of times.

I just love how they gouge professionals because they know they can get away with it. It's just how the world works I guess. Professionals don't have any other choice; image quality of good DSLRs is similar, but they lack just enough features to make them unusable. So you're stuck paying $90,000 instead of $3000. Not complaining though, if I was in the same position as Sony I would probably do the same thing. Gouge gouge gouge baby.

​@@Fireflyepic i don't think the the difference is 90000 and 3000. and companies have to make profit on those things and not many ppl will buy them since they don't need them nor can they opperate them. and not only do they have to make profit they have to actually support the damn thing for years to come. you need to have a team of engineers actually fixxing bugs perfomances issues or even hardware bugs for years, since this is a tool and will be needing the attention of one. and not forget that those machines have most likely an assembly line just for them and many of custom machinery made for them. machines that it wouldn't be easy to adapt to other tasks. let alone that the product cycle on this things isn't as small as on consumer products so you cannot expect fast updates cycles to pay for this thing. the bill of materials on this thing must be stupendous. do they make a rediculous margin on this things ???? most deffinetely.... does it matter to the average consumer or someone who cannot afford this? probably not. at the end of the day whoever wants to play with intustry equipment can w8 a cycle or two to grab it on an ebay listing, most likely those should be like the expensive servers in the pc market.

People be like: i TaKE pICtuRe oF mY cAT eVeRy DAy. imMA pRO. tHis pRIcE iS sTuPid

​@@hellNo116 I think you missed my point. My point is that they make ridiculous margins. That's fine though, i'm not saying they shouldn't. I would do the same thing if I was Sony. Also, i'm not sure what you mean by saying that the difference isn't $90,000 and $3,000 -- it most certainly is. Prosumer gear will be up to around $3,000, truly professional video gear like this can go as high as six figures. Real pros oftentimes can't use the prosumer gear, which is a shame. It's 90% there, but just missing a few key features. They price it this way because they can. Microsoft does the same thing. Microsoft forces businesses to do Windows Enterprise, and they charge $84 per user per year. In other words, you need to buy Windows again every single year. Businesses are fine paying this, your average joe might not be, though. They gouge the former, and give a free upgrade to Windows 10 for the latter. Sony, Microsoft, internet providers, etc. want to know if your are a business/professional or a regular consumer to decide how much they can gouge you. Yes, they offer certain benefits, but nothing to justify the cost difference. Whatever though, it doesn't affect most of us.

I think the a7s (II) also has dual ISO of 100 and 2000. Most Sony cameras and other cameras with modern Sony sensors have this. Panasonic GH5S, Fuji X-T30 and Nikon Z6 have base ISO of 100 and 800. a7III, a7rII, a7rIII, a9, a9II have 100 and 640. D850, Z7, Z50, a6100, 6300, 6400, 6600 have 100 and 400. a7rIV and a6500 have 100 and 320.

1 for water cooling?

Lucas Johnson damn, got him there

@@notlNSIGHT He's a liar

@@notlNSIGHT The video on linus tech tips on april 1st proclaims him #lienus....

nurdygurl that isn’t something that a camera affects except for rolling shutter