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I think they purposely limit the top speed of this BMW because the effect of wind resistance increases exponentially with speed and kills the battery range.

Seat Mo/Silence 01 Electric scooter/moped has about same range as this bmw but only cost £5000, so half price and better storage under seat

Cheers bud 👍

I considered the super cube, it's s lovely looking scooter. I chose the SH125i on spec. Front and back abs, traction control, large wheels and the two that mattered the most as I do deliveries, range and storage. It's also keyless and the stop start is amazing. What's your range on a tank?

@@1960ARC I agree about the storage. It's pretty useless on the Cub. I do have a rack fitted where the step-through is, which is very useful, plus I've ordered a big top box for it, which is big enough to hold 2 helmets. The tank only holds 3.7 litres, but out of that, I've had 150 miles. when I filled it up it still had about half a litre in the tank, which is about 20 miles. I thought that a bit tight so usually fill it up at 140 miles. Further news on the MPG subject - I filled it up yesterday ( always brimmed ) and I'd achieved 208 mpg using E5 petrol. I was amazed and double checked my calculations. I've got other bikes, so don't ride the SuperCub all the time, and tend to use it for the more mundane stuff, but with the price of fuel, possibly, reaching £2 per litre soon, it's certainly paying for itself.

@@Jaffa1951 yep, that state sure are making us suffer with this fuel hike. I think the cub is awesome looking. I've done 200 miles on E10 and about half a litre left in the tank. I've not tried to extend the range by careful driving as I tend to be doing deliveries when I'm riding.

That would be my choice too. Even new it's a quarter of the price of the BMW, and you can actually get somewhere without plugging the thing in for several hours.

Definitely -- T Max is half the price and more than twice the range...

T Max is actually a bit more new

Plenty of charging points in Azerbaijan apparently.

Thanks very much bud, appreciate that and glad they could help 👍

Thanks very much 👍

Thanks very much bud, very kind of you to offer, may take you up on that 👏👍

I think they’re working off the assumption that when you’re off the bike and want to store your lid, you’re going to be charging the bike up using the cables, so the space will be empty and ready for the lid.

@@teapotone Possibly. But if they routed the cabling around under the seat (outside) and plugged it into a lockable socket it wouldn't take up any storage space. Just a question of packaging.

can the cable go inside your helmet/?

I’d argue the opposite. Bikes make far more sense as an electric vehicle. Light weight means you don’t need as much power or battery capacity. The problem technologically isn’t range it’s charge speed. My Ducati scrambler only has a range of 120 miles ish but you can "recharge" it in 5 -10 mins at a petrol station. If you could get 100 miles range in say 15-20 mins I think you'd have it cracked.

@@Durkan34 I think you totally misunderstood my point. Yes, I definitely agree that bikes make sense for electric vehicles. BUT, the increase in weight of a battery versus gasoline is much more noticeable and of impact as compared to a car. Plus you just dont have the space. And no, charge speed is not the technological problem. The problem is again battery technology, as the charge speed is inherently limited by the equivalent series resistance of the batteries. At higher charge rates, these have (linearly) higher losses and produce heat, which is bad for the battery. You CAN charge them much faster, but that comes at much higher risk and severely decreased battery pack life time. A 'recharge time' of 10 minutes at a petrol station is quite long, most people spend maybe 5 mins at most. Thats definitely not attainable. That would mean charge currents one order of magnitude larger than now. (resistive) Power dissipation scales quadratically, which would mean two orders of magnitude higher losses (and thus heat output). I don't think you would be able to push the charge time even to 15 minutes, as the current being pushed through batteries now is already extremely high. That implies that the only reasonable way to extent range with current technology is to increase battery capacity, which comes at the cost of weight and volume. edit: To demonstrate my point, this specific BMW charges with 6.9 kW quick charge. That would mean to attain 0-80% charge in 15 mins, you would require 30kW charging. That is the equivalance of about 30 clothes dryers operating at the same time!! Similarly in this example, the losses and heat output would go up by a factor of 18.5x. Getting rid of this at such a rate is practically impossible. Honestly, I think the current fast charging currents are already pushing the battery quite far. It doesn't come 'free of charge', as you will definitely wear down your battery much faster.

I think we’re dancing around the same handbag. You say “it’s not a technological problem” and then defined the problem. I agree it’s not just a matter of whacking more current in the current battery technology. I’m saying we need a battery/ charger technology that allows you to charge a modest sized battery very quickly.

Ha Ha - consider it done 😉👍

I’m out that neck of the woods all the time bud, I live over in Kent 👍

(I'm 46 and got it 😜)

Thanks Graeme, it’s a Helite Electrinic Airvest 👍

You're not the target demographic, it's built for yuppies here in London, I see a few of them around. If I had fuck-you money I'd definitely buy one but I don't so I can't :D

Acceleration up to about 50mph is more like a 600cc scooter.

I have one since march '22 and I never have experienced any performance-cut because of low load (lowest was 17%).

You can't compare it to a SH125. CE 04 is compleately another thing. (Acceleration up to about 50mph is more like a Forza 750!) Seat heating takes about 1-2 mls, but You don't need it permanently because it's very hot. Range drain of grip heat is almost nothing.

Yes, it does.

You’ll be waiting a long time for hydrogen, there are so many losses throughout the logistics train that its become the betamax…

@@timvarley8589 Yes I'm sure you're right, just wishful thinking really. I imagine electric will be well & truly established by the time hydrogen cells etc would be viable.

A company has produced hydrogen on a disk, you would buy a cartridge containing many disks, each disk would give 25 miles range. However it's being suppressed due to U.S national security concerns. More like the 1% don't want us to be able to travel far.

No lol .

Only posts on social media, I’d love to have a go though 👍

Me to, i wonder if it can support two up with loaded lugage. I hop Triumph with the TE1 project must be looking at a similar model soon.

If you charge at a public charging pod, it’ll be about £2-£4 for a full charge, or at home via the mains AC then it’ll be under £2

Not financially viable either to buy or indeed charge… Nothing more than a gimmick by BMW. Honda Forza or Yamaha XMax are a fraction of the price and cheaper to run. Just my view I know but I reckon sales figures will back me up here…

Don’t worry about, it is NOT the future 😉👍

@@teapotone Do you think the ce04 is compatible with any public charger?

​@@honeyglazeham9621Yes it is. ("Type 2"). (I have one since more than 10.000km.)

Yes. And not just at eco mode.