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@marekd.7350 4 года назад

"Grape fragrance, you can see that there". Favorite line.

@Thorn-vh4hv 4 года назад

Facts lol

@davenreynolds9949 3 года назад

Definitely

@archlich4489 3 года назад

I dunno - it looks more like raspberry

@maxie9506 3 года назад

Im planning a DIY project to paint my car and thought, maybe i should ceramic coat my car afterwards. Then i searched comparison videos on products and your channel popped up a lot. I finally check you out and had no idea that you also had your own car car products. I think it's very professional of you to showcase not only your products but competitors' products as well. It shows that you're ok if someone decides not to go with your product. I'll me watching more videos on your products as well.

@miggs80 3 года назад

On other reviews I’m seeing people saying this specific soap isn’t good. Makes me happier seeing that you’re impressed by it because this is the soap I bought for my car recently.

@Everwhitewinter 4 года назад

Chemical guys recommends using 2 good squeezes of the product with water. Once applied to the car you should use a microfiber wash mit and help apply the product better by wiping it on. Afterwards use a big microfiber towel or shammy to dry off the car. I usually do this because it helps apply an even more thick layer of the coating than just applying it on and washing it off

@six01playa 4 года назад

It does say on the bottle to use 1 oz per 4-5 gallons of water. I bought some of this yesterday. Was pretty impressed with the finished product.

@RandomThoughtChanger 4 года назад

Love your Stelvio in the Montecarlo Blue! My mother has the same color Ti Sport but with the regular Aluminum wheels, not black. Fantastic car!

@modernmusclecar1904 4 года назад

Just put the Hydro Slick on my Camaro. It has a few coats of Adams Ceramic Spray that I love.. wow. I didnt think the Inferno Orange paint could pop any more then it did. But the Hydro Slick added to it for sure. Just bought soap today. Saw it at Canadian Tire so I bought it. Bought both without watching any reviews. Looks like I made some good choices.

@mgrmln 4 года назад

Great video! Just started following you. I love this soap and agree with your assessment. I think it’s best for well maintained and ceramic coated cars for a touch less, maintenance wash but can be used for bucket washes as well if needed. For really dirty cars, I’d go with something more aggressive.

@chadsolberg850 2 года назад

I’ve used hydro slick and hydro suds for my car. I use 2 oz in my big mouth foam gun and 1 oz in my wash bucket . I only use it as a maintainer . I use there other line if my vehicle is really dirty . Great Video

@1stfrompuertorico568 4 года назад

I purchased it too in order to try it. Great you have tried it since I got it this week. Thanks for your insightful comments on this topic. Xoxo from Puerto Rico 👍🖖🇵🇷

@stanggiant860 4 года назад

I've used hydro suds, watermelon snow foam , citrus wash and gloss, plus blacklight wash. I'm going to try hydro slick this year.

@jasonheick5741 3 года назад

I just bought 2 more bottles of this stuff today, it has been my go to for bucket washing since I got into DiY detailing. I have a ceramic coated 4runner and wanted something to maintain the coating. I started with foam cannon then bucket with this stuff. I then quickly went through over half the bottle doing so. Now I do a heavy soap in the cannon, then use this in 2 bucket wash method. Stuff is great. I wish I could get it in a gallon

@williamgiglio3476 4 года назад

Hey, Thanks for showing some of the Chemical Guys Ceramic Products. Their Honey Dew Snow foam was some of the first products I bought after watching your detailing videos. But I have to say I’m addicted to the Griots Foaming Car wash and Poly Gloss. As a retired baby boomer I have the time mess with my car washing and I usually wash my car very often and wax it with Collinite about every 3 months. The car stays incredibly clean even after a rain storm.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

the Griots combo are both great soaps for sure that was the benchmark when i created my very own soap to create a better self cleaning soap and gloss protection and water sheeting soap all in one step cheaper, if you have not tried some you should order a bottle on Amazon to check it out.

@terrycorkum 4 года назад

I use both products. A3 and S4 both black. They turn out great. I dont think locally I can get better but they work really well so I'm happy.

@ronmcgowan 3 года назад

Great video. I’m looking for something like an si02 spray and treatment. I need it for a fifth wheel that I can’t reach with my hands. I spray with a soap cannon and then scrub with a microfiber cloth on a pole. Not just to make it hydrophobic but make it more difficult for the bugs to stick to the fifth wheel during long road trips. Is this the best product or is there another you have reviewed that you recommend?

@thereissomecoolstuff 4 года назад

Phil, you are my favorite detail product reviewer. You use a product a couple of times before you do a video. You review competing products to your own without obvious bias. You have great integrity. Thank you very much, I greatly appreciate your content.. Ps who is wearing the bright orange shoes...

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

thanks for watching, the orange shoes are my little secret helper

@thereissomecoolstuff 4 года назад

@@autofanaticcars I thought they were a new brake caliper color for a second.

@sweatypalmz2812 4 года назад

thereissomecoolstuff lookup car craft auto detailing. You will enjoy his videos as well. Both channels are great and both deserve recognition.

@Fee.1 4 года назад

Anyone have suggestions for cheap pressure washers that I can still connect decent foam equipment too? Can’t replace my kranzle for a few months

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

Comet Static 1700 is great or get a good Gas Washer

@Alchemist124860 4 года назад

Not a lot of product... quarter of the bottle used 🤣

@callumtoye20 4 года назад

That's an expensive wash

@hhova29 4 года назад

That’s what I said, 🤦‍♂️ I’ll stick to something cheaper

@tilleypatrickpt 4 года назад

4 washes for 17 bucks? Not bad at all.

@ratj4715 4 года назад

It is but to me it does do a pretty good job. If I got the money I buy it if not than something cheaper will have to do.

@Jewishkowboy 4 года назад

@@hhova29 No need to use something cheaper, just make sure you know how much to use. 1 ounce in a wash bucket and 1 ounce in a foam cannon/gun if you want to. Very concentrated and produces incredible suds. a 16 ounce bottle should get you 16 washes if done with only a wash bucket

@TheTyisawesome 4 года назад

I got this soap along with hydroslick ceramic wax. Hoping the soap will help keep my Ceramic coating look like new

@archiepezek 4 года назад

Great content and narration. Love the Stelvio. Keep up the awesome work.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

thanks for watching this one.

@jonathanmathews3983 2 года назад

I used them both on my 21 f150!! Extremely happy with the results!!!

@analogguy5548 4 года назад

Thanks for the continued videos. In the silver lining department, looks like the governor will be shutting down New Jersey so I’ll have plenty of time to perform a total spring cleaning and maintenance of 2018 Mustang, Best of health to all. Thanks again.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

yeah us car Fanatics are going nuts but good thing we all have the passion to keep busy with our cars for the time being.

@kylebell9364 4 года назад

Man, you just used about 3 times too much shampoo. This is highly concentrated and let me tell you that is not a cheap soap. You probably used about 10 dollars worth.

@STOCKTONHEMINCUMMINS 4 года назад

12.99@ Walmart in cali

@eixeon395 4 года назад

@@STOCKTONHEMINCUMMINS still pretty expensive especially if you're running a buisness

@threedaysgracefanful 3 года назад

He drive an alpha, he’s got the bread for car soap

@autograph415 3 года назад

@@eixeon395 peasant

@N3.EX0TIC0 3 года назад

Watching the car he drives 10$ ain’t nothing for him lol

@mtalamantes100994 4 года назад

How do you like that foam cannon? I have the PF22 but am wanting a cheap 2nd one.

@f1fanatic80 4 года назад

A round of applause for the little helper in orange shoes doing a great job on the camera! Bring them back bring them back!

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

ha ha ha yeah she pops up time to time helping me.

@markpuffer9615 4 года назад

Great video as always Phil. Happy Easter.

@earley226 4 года назад

Hard to tell how much is in the foam cannon reservoir, doesn't the reservoir have a scale up the side? Similar to Carpro Reset, it's not as runny as this but has no tint to it either.

@pilgrim985 2 года назад

You didn’t like the Hydro Charge? I’m surprised, I love that product. I guess we’re all different. I love the video, thanks for posting.

@jperks6943 3 года назад

This soap is amazing makes my car So shiney the hydro slick is just ok. Your better off with just the hydrosuds

@marqware4049 4 года назад

The soap is dope the spray it’s possible to over do it which I did look like it has water spots when you walk up on it but from a far it’s super shiny and super glossy

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

using many of these spray ceramic toppers can be tricky especially with haziness and overspray on adjacent panels. I have picked a favorite ceramic spray topper and will put the final video together soon as i have been testing it for months in real world conditions.

@gabrielp4919 4 года назад

Great video. May have to try the products out. Question... Which blower is that? Not sure which to purchase but noticed the one you have worked fantastic.

@JoeZasada 4 года назад

I have been using this soap for a while. It does clean pretty well, and it does foam decent. The biggest downside is the cost- and it is only available in the small containers - no gallon jugs for this one.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

its the chemistry which drives up cost, same with my soap that offers far more cleaning action and is priced less. Usually new products are tested first in the market before gallons become avail but im sure if they did offer gallons it wont be cheap. thanks for posting your feedback with this product.

@JoeZasada 4 года назад

@@autofanaticcars I use a lot of Griot's foaming poly gloss, after the wash. That stuff is so amazing, and is great for a maintenance spray. Hydroslik is the easiest ceramic to apply that I've used, and it is what I recommend for beginners as a ceramic base coat, because the risk of flash streaks is so low.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

Poly Gloss is a good product but EXPENSIVE as hell and its just a gloss enhancer not a cleaner of any kind and you need to be careful applying it in a foam cannon if you overdo it the stuff oozes out of crevices and leaves residue all over the paint.

@JoeZasada 4 года назад

Yup. I use it after cleaning... and I still towel it off after the blow dry.

@bmann792 4 года назад

Question - how do you know that you got all the dirt off if you don’t sponge the car esp with black wheels? I like the foam cannon idea but want to to get all the dirt off

@ronaldmarconetto 4 года назад

What's the model of the ego blower you used to dry the car? Is that what you use all the time? I can't drop 400 on those air force models

@lilsmith3664 4 года назад

The hydro slick so sum good stuff!!

@user-xc2tk8wz2v 3 года назад

"Touchless wash to prevent scratches during and after the wash" *roughly rubs the leftover dirt*

@Weekend_Warrior187 3 года назад

😂😂

@Mountain-Viking 3 года назад

That was a "WTF ???" moment

@swift2117 4 года назад

Another Quadrifoglio 😍😍 living that dream !

@bmann792 4 года назад

My vette isn’t ceramic coated but i did use chemical guys ceramic gel in the blue bottle. Honestly, what’s the best car wash regardless of price? I’m a sucker for good packaging lol so I have lots of chemical guys stuff.

@aualej 4 года назад

my car got waxed do you think this is a good product to use? also i currently use meguiar’s soap do you think it’s better than that?

@Fee.1 4 года назад

I wonder if a lighter foam, WEIGHT wise not density wise, could improve cling time?

@Antimatter. 4 года назад

I know exactly how much to use , a little more than 3 squirts 😀, I understand this soap is for cleaning but what is it’s main purpose ? Is it a easy way to apply a ceramic type gloss and protection , maybe this should be used to coat the car after it’s clean to bond the ceramic better to the paint , what do you think ?

@hardyharhar801 3 года назад

Its supposed to be a maintenance shampoo for a car that has a ceramic coating already applied. They dont specify how it works but if I had to make a guess I would its think a low-aggression soap that doesnt try to eat away at the ceramic coating you just paid so much to have done. I believe its meant to lift the dirt/residue off the ceramic coating while preserving/protecting the coating itself even further. How it preserves/protects the ceramic coating itself? No idea, they dont say. If the product works as advertised , logically I would think it adds another protective and/or hydrophobic coating that clings to ceramic coatings better than another wax/coating itself. Does it work how it should? I hope

@jayjackson-mq7yu 3 года назад

Where did you get the pressure washer from along with the cannon as well

@LikeAngelOfDeath 4 года назад

This was the first ceramic soap I used when my car got coated last year. But my favorite is definitely Shine Supply’s Shift paired with their Throttle Detail Spray. 10/10 recommend for coated vehicles

@samuelhannan5532 4 года назад

What's the website

@boris3017 2 года назад

@Angelito. Looks interesting. Will buy one 🤷🏻‍♂️

@laurapalmerTDGE Год назад

Carpro Reset is what you want.

@jimflanagan6029 4 года назад

Another good one Phil. Hope YOUR product line is doing well .

@Fee.1 4 года назад

What’s his product line? If this is the guy I think it is, who did the clay videos, I’ll buy just to support that honesty

@darktoadone5068 8 месяцев назад

I'm going to try some of this, I restored a vintage car and it's been sitting outside a while now and is dirty, I really need to get a car cover for it.

@kylealbrecht4350 4 года назад

What kind of pressure washer are you using??

@BernardManansala Месяц назад

I use 1 ounce in 2 gallons of distilled water in my IK eFoamer Pro 12. Rinse with 4 gallons of distilled water using the same IK eFoamer then blow dry. Works great for a touchless wash for city driven cars.

@GTS_Fanatic 4 года назад

I bought this as well. I’m not really impressed with it myself as yes you need to use a good amount to get a decent foam output. So at the price point better off with mr pink or honeydew and using a ceramic spray that will last you a lot longer and be cheaper in the long run.

@ardochane21204 3 года назад

This formula is meant more for maintenance washes and keeping hydroslick layer strong.... honeydew and pink are far more deep clean.

@JS-cb7rx 3 года назад

Can I use this every week on an unwaxed normal paint car? Or should I use this every other wash and Mr pink in between?

@jeffreygonzalez8544 4 года назад

I used this a couple time already I usually load up the cannon first with a little bit on of soap not as much as you used. Just 1 squirt will due the same amount of foam that came out of yours right their. I like the soap but I don’t do a touch less wash like you do

@patricksiebert1047 4 года назад

did he actually do a touchless wash though? The guy filled up a bucket with the soap and a microfiber mitt at the beginning of the video?

@Vern1985 2 года назад

So would you recommend this part on just a regular average painted car

@djisparkcollections6775 4 года назад

Just subbed. Could you tell me what foam cannon/wand you’re using?

@timperez9805 3 года назад

Trinova Foam Cannon I believe (found on amazon)

@nickbrown5906 4 года назад

You are by far the best !

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

thanks for watching

@swift2117 4 года назад

What do you think of Bilt Hamber auto foam ?

@ShagmireGigity 4 года назад

What foam cannon is that? Where did you get it and does it attach to water hose or pressure washer?

@andreaschristiansen9742 4 года назад

The angelwax enigma kit is waaay better in my opinion. Have tried cg ceramic kit to.

@DaytonaBlueHr 3 года назад

Can i still use a Carnauba wax on top of this after washing the car?? Or is this like an alternative to using Wax on a car

@secalcavazos3204 4 года назад

It may be thin but nothing seems to have come off the car other than where you sprayed on the ground so it seems like it stuck to the whole car as if this anything but thin... I'm trying to find the best car wash suds for my Green works foam cannon.

@Villainsss 2 года назад

Is he using a power washer for the hose or is it a normal hose? I didn't know a hose wnd foam cannon can get that foamy and spread

@functionaldoc5054 4 года назад

Phil what coating is currently on this car ? I liked that you tested without filtering your water since this would be worst case scenario. I like AngelWax shampoo for bucket washing myself.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

the Stelvio in this video does not have any ceramaic coating or wax but has been treated using a new spray ceramic product months prior which il be doing a video on very soon as i wanted to compile months of testing before making my assessment.

@radical08 3 года назад

Hey man i put ceramic coatings to my car thinking buying this, so is it ok to use this in buckets? Or you need foam cannon?

@cb9137 4 года назад

So would this work with my2017 C43? Ive washed it with Maguires only

@thediglerofdirk 4 года назад

Yus

@koreywilliams4570 Год назад

What foam cannon is that? I got the mjjc pro and it's supposed to be one of the best foam cannons.

@wilfredogarcia6863 3 месяца назад

I have both products , which one should I use first when doing a wash ?

@davidmarconi528 2 года назад

What about mixing this stuff with another wash like the extreme wash or honeydew?

@ScouserBerny 11 месяцев назад

So I decided to give this a whirl on my 911 TTS. I too followed the instructions t the tee and watched the Chemical Guys videos to make sure I applied it correctly. The car has a coat of Rejex but I have never been satisfied with the beading, albeit it did have some beading. HydroSuds took any beading I had off the car entirely. In fact I think it probably does a better job than Chemical Guys Clean Slate! I will say that it did clean the car well though and it was pretty dirty. Anyway, I dried it all off then clay bared the paintwork. I then applied a coat of 303 Graphene Nano Spray. Man! is that stuff good. The beading is quite amazing and the paintwork feels silky smooth. The shine is like glass. I defo wont use HydroSuds again unless I need a Clean Slate 🤣🤣

@SmileyManPrince 2 года назад

Is your foam gun on a garden hose? Or a pressure washer? Would help if you do answer! Thanks!

@HIdefend808 3 года назад

How long (time) did you let the suds sit on the car?

@nbspepe01 3 года назад

What kind of foam canon system do you run?

@ups-pn3ph 4 года назад

If I used that much soap every time I washed my car I’d go through over a bottle a month.

@henryfreeman6113 4 года назад

I think that you should let us know which products didn't work for you, because it will let us know whether or not I should buy something

@Jingozian2024 4 месяца назад

Awesome video. Pregunta, when you mention your car having protection, what do you mean by that?

@adriano8809 3 месяца назад

Would I need a very powerful blower or also a cheap one e will do the job?

@stubz002 4 года назад

What type of foam cannon is this?

@motiv8m3dia 4 года назад

Nice video, might pick this product up

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

if you do try it out and post your feedback in the comments here but try it out a few times to make a good assumption on how it worked out for you. thanks

@Cjrparedes 4 года назад

Question! When are you going to do a Shine Supply review?

@rockystallone3925 4 года назад

@Auto Fanatic what's the best clay bar to get? I've used the Mcguire clay bar and it's soso. I've heard there are better options out there.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

Meguairs Professional Clay is the BEST the Blue and Red jars, not the retail stuff sold in Auto Parts stores.

@rockystallone3925 4 года назад

@@autofanaticcars thanks! How do I get those?

@aalfonso4706 4 года назад

@@rockystallone3925 Walmart sells the McGuire professional that comes in a tub. I haven't seen it in my local store but I ordered it and it was available for pick up the next day

@Jewishkowboy 4 года назад

I agree with many others. Way to much product used. I’ll know now for when I get it myself

@HD.Motorsports 4 года назад

Would this soap benefit a car that is usually coated with a wax/sealant or would it not really make much of a difference compared to a normal car shampoo like adams shampoo?

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

not really sure how it might work in that scenario i think its a decent soap overall but there are others i prefer better including my own as it self cleans more and makes the the final surface finish feel much smoother to the touch

@alexmatheny9295 3 года назад

If that’s an electric pressure washer can you please tell me how you got your snubby gun to hook up to it, and where you got the outlet hose from?

@autofanaticcars 3 года назад

its just a 1/4 quick disconnect set of fittings you can order anywhere online.

@rickybobby5203 4 года назад

I dropped $60 yesterday on my dually. Need get this oxidation off the hood, roof. I'm be clay waxing for a min. Lol

@bboylorettoEight08 4 года назад

This doesn’t leave water spots ?....

@davidlunasanchez1566 4 года назад

What’s the name of the song in the beginning of the video?

@MrJquondude 4 года назад

great video and bradda word you are looking for is viscosity "has similar viscosity to water" not density.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

when you manufacture chemicals like we do now the term we use is always density as raw materials and the final blended product are priced by its density not viscosity.

@Ls3Atomicvette 4 года назад

How did you feel about the hydro charge? I clay bard and did 2 applications of it it was ok not that impressed

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

I tested it and did not like it as i mentioned in this video.

@alvaromacedo2622 4 года назад

Good product overall. Currently using Griots Garage surface, poly wash and glossworz . Do i have to use hydroslick ceramic coating for best result? Thank you

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

y the Griots soaps are great but just expensive and they are sticky to work with and in higher temps attract lots of bugs and dust/

@alvaromacedo2622 4 года назад

Thanks for the quick response. I m going to try the hydroslick ceramic coating hyperwax and suds ceramic car soap combo next time . Thank you

@alvaromacedo2622 4 года назад

How often do you normally apply the hydroslick ceramic hyperwax for max shine/protection? Thank you

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

when i tested it i did two applications few weeks apart

@billsenior213 4 года назад

Just a question with ‘foaming’ the car with these types of products. You foamed the car, rinsed and dried but you found areas that were still dirty. Does that mean you may need to foam and hand wash your car to be completely clean? Or are there other products that will get all the dirt.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

it all depends the self cleaning is all in the protective barrier on the paint and how well it repels the dirt from bonding. most soaps offer little to no self cleaning from all the years of me testing soaps but if you have a good soap it will break up the dirt and whisk it away as I show in this video. not all cases lend itself to a touch less wash especially after driving in the rain a few days but otherwise a touch less wash works for most with ceramic coating and highly protective sealants.

@martinebisson143 3 года назад

Hello what is your soap foam gun ?

@TheMstwntdLMSV123 4 года назад

Have you ever tried nanoskin hypersuds? I heard good things about it from apex detail but I'm not sure how I feel about it.

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

best thing is to do what i do, buy it, try it over the course of a few months and see if you like it, most stuff i buy gets tossed or given away after the first use lately.

@TheMstwntdLMSV123 4 года назад

@@autofanaticcars 👍🏻

@SC2Racer 4 года назад

Just bought a bottle of this soap to add to my CG collection.... Do you mind me asking what foam gun you used ?

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

i use the mtm PF22

@MithosXXI 4 года назад

How about Adams ceramic wash or turtle wax hybrid solutions wash and wax? Any thoughts on those compared to HydroSuds?

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

if it does not make it to the channel then it failed miserable on all levels. I purchased every top retail brands ceramic soap and while this one is not perfect but it offers some self cleaning which promoted me to show you guys as i feel that should be the most critical criteria of foaming up ones car. I have been offered BIG $$$ to video some brands and I gracefully declined to promote products that do not perform to my criteria or have a poor user experience overall. my content is not based on sponsorships and I do not accept money to do these videos for you guys from the brands. thanks for watching this one.

@japspec96 4 года назад

@@autofanaticcars love your integrity!

@shaukatshaikh3472 4 года назад

@@autofanaticcars this is the reason your subscribers are totally different breed and i am proud to be one of them

@donschultz7759 2 года назад

That soap is a little runny but pretty good.

@peterbennpan7288 7 месяцев назад

Would you rather use the Hydro Suds on Turtle wax ceramic wash & wax?

@autofanaticcars 7 месяцев назад

I tested all the Turtle Wax soaps and was not impressed with any of them. Definitely CG cleans better

@say3coyote518 3 года назад

is this a thing you can use after you wash your car with a different soap? like foam it after a wash and rinse and dry off? will it give like a ceramic coating?

@autofanaticcars 3 года назад

not sure on that

@flemmingjensen3202 3 года назад

I think, you may be looking for a product like Carpro HydrOfoam.

@gqlasmom 4 года назад

How quickly are you shipping out your shampoo and wheel cleaner? Amazon says 21 April. Is that the earliest? Thanks!

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

Yes due to the Covid Crisis Amazon is not shipping orders out anytime soon for non essential items. You can order directly from the Auto Fanatic website and we are still shipping the same day USPS Priority in most cases until stock runs out.

@jbigtruss5301 3 года назад

Can i use it as carwash soap?

@Rookscarcare Год назад

If it’s hard to tell how much your using , measure it properly and dilute it as recommended by manufacture instead of just squirting it randomly ?

@williamwade3738 4 года назад

I don't buy it until you test it, 😁

@estebancamachomartinez724 3 года назад

You can always use a measuring cup (?)

@jesusdewar123 4 года назад

You should try Adams Mega Foam. I promise you won’t go back to any other snow foam. 🧊

@autofanaticcars 4 года назад

old news tried that when it came out, its not about foam density to me all the time its about self cleaning and final surface finish to do touch less washes which is my adopted process now almost 90% of the time.