Joel~ I was so happy to see your video today. I have watched to many times before and being part Indian myself, I have spent years reading and researching and traveling to Pow-Wows, taking my children into the museums and pointing out the many lies & mistreatment & shames by the US Government so the grew up UNDERSTANDING NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN WE TRULY DO AND WE OWE MUCH TO THEM… Anyway, I am an artist and I have done pottery for years and I have a great love for it but I watch you were such great admiration & TRUE APPRECIATION AS I REALLY VALUE YOUR EVERY TECHNIQUE….. I love your big hands as you work the clay and anybody watching your video I would think this is easy work but is anything but that!!!! You truly are A MASTER AT YOUR CRAFT & I WISH TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESEARCH & TO SHARE IT WITH US, FOR YOUR EDUCATION, & FOR YOUR TALENT, AS WELL AS TAKING TIME TO MAKE THESE INVALUABLE VIDEOS FOR PROSPERITY ❣️❣️❣️ BEST WISHES TO YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
I used to live right near the qualla boundary I have some Cherokee blood going back a fer piece. I grew up knowing alot of Cherokee people when I was a boy most sadly have all passed away ,now. It's good that you carry on your native ways. And traditions.
Thank you so much for creating this video. I'm an archaeologist trying to learn more about pottery, and this kind of visual demonstration is so helpful for understanding prewheel methods. It's one thing to read descriptions of techniques/methods in books, but quite another to see them actually being done. Thank you for sharing your expertise!
Thank-you for taking the time to demonstrate for us how this is done. It was truly informative, as I have learnt from it a few new techniques! Andy Ward also demonstrates in his many videos on RU-vid how pottery was made in America's southwest. From all these cultures, truly, there is much to be learned.
I never leave social media messages but I’m witnessing a master potter creating a masterpiece in clay and I am spellbound by the beauty that the creator works through your hands, Sir. It is my honor to see the endeavors of the ancient ones live again in these pots! Thank you for the medicine.
Given my proud Cherokee heritage, I cant help but be fascinated with hand building pottery, recently I've even been digging my own clay and using it..as well wanting to make my own outdoor kiln.
6:12 Leaving that step, short to the rim and then flat rolling the next coil is great idea :) Ive been fighting to get my first coil going above the rim, staying even etc. Great video, filled with info, thankyou.
I love the mixture of cultures I hear in your voice. I was raised in the South then spent many years in New Mexico, living around the Pueblo Peoples. So I hear the Southern in your voice and recognize the Voice of Peoples in your voice. This is so lovely to hear in your voice. A beautiful blending of the Past and the Present, with an eye toward the Future. This is also a lovely weaving of cultures to increase Unity without any loss of the excellent features of either culture. As a teacher, I thank you, for preserving these skills so others can learn what was and what still can be. This may also give others ideas for new techniques. Increasing knowledge and skills is a Tradition amongst The Peoples. You have done yourself and your Heritage Proud! Blessing, Aunt B
very nice. I am cherokee (deer clan) as well and have been flint knapping for a while and want to try my hand at this. Very nice and great craftsmanship.
I did pottery myself for many years Joel is a very gifted & well skilled n great Potter! To make such very big Bowls by his hands & not thrown on the wheel, like others would do is astunning ! The sound in the video wasn't so good but good demo thk you
Joel Queen...really enjoyed watching this video....very instructive....I am trying to learn clay and coil build....have made a number of pots with the Luzella clay you used....have not fired any pots yet....noticed you have not done to much that is dated in 2018...hope your are ok and doing well....was wondering if you ever do workshops....would love to attend one....best and ever on...
Very interesting and useful demonstration. I only wish the periods where Joel Queen is working on the pot was silent and that all one heard was the sound of his hands on the clay or the ambient sound of the environment. The accompanying music is distracting and annoying.
Great video but what happened to the audio? I could have sworn that when I watched this a while ago, it had the original audio of him describing what he was doing while he worked.
What types of glaze or finisher do you use to seal the wears for food use I'm big on earth wear ... I'm getting ready for a trench fire and want to make alot of pieces to go in and use at home and for gifts
Joan Davenport I think it's just a bowl form made out of wood. It doesn't matter what it's made out of or the shape, it only serves as a template. and I imagine the cloth is something like linen or soft canvas. It's purpose is to keep the clay from sticking to the surface of the template. You could use plastic if you wanted.
Did you bisque fire before you put the pottery in the wood fire kiln? Or is that the color of the clay when it is bone dry? Looks like it was bisque fired.
I wish you had better aufio on questions asked and answers. Could not hear most questions. What was the clay type .Is it for sale? Must more interest if you had a better explanation audio.
I'm tryin to.figure out the deal with the marbles. Is it leather hard or bone dry when you burnish, and how much moisture? I didn't habe good results so much with oil, but a little moisture rubbed on w my finger for working that one spot. Man it takes a long time. I bought a package of marbles and was doing like you did to a bowl about half that size. After about 45 mins of messin w the marbles just like in your video, the just the bottom of the inside was smooth, but not shiny. I'm just tryin to pit fire a vessel that will hold water. Coffee cups. Little soup bowls. Burnishing w a smooth rock made it much shinier, but I'm sometimes breaking the cup as I'm holding it, or my hand slips and I break a coffee mug handle off. Frustrating, and burnishing takes forever.... I had better results with an old sock on my hand (still breaking a pot once in a while, some pressure is required with that one), or a piece of sheep hide w the fur down, also some pressure required. Somethimg about the wool hair fibers or knit pattern on the sock makes the shine, but w pushing on it a bit, whereas the rock covers a much smaller area at one time, but not as much pushing. Both still take for EVER. And smacking my cup handles and breaking them off (tryin real hard not to swear afyer the 5th one... ) So I tried the marbles. Didn't get it shiny. Does it have to be shiny to hold water? What am I missing?
Moisting bone dry piece isn't enough to make shinny much as you want... Applying terra sigillata and burnishing will give you the best result. And from my mistakes i think this method is little bit risky for small,thin walled and detailed stuff. Good luck with ur works✌
You need to slowly raise the temperature or it will shatter (remember all the moisture and any trapped air is trying to get out as the heat increases so the slower you do this the easier it is for it to escape) and you need to make sure there are not any large pockets of air in your clay or that you're not trapping air inside your coil joins. Hope that helps.
There are various things that will help with this problem - it's best to make sure your pottery is completely bone dry before you fire it (no longer cool to the touch); clay with lots of grog in it is less likely to shatter; thinner clay walls are less likely to explode than thick walls; no air bubbles/trapped air anywhere; slow firing to allow the moisture inside the clay to escape (both the raising of the temperature and the lowering of it should be gradual - a fully loaded kiln helps with that - everything will cool off more slowly). If the temperature changes are gradual enough, then even very thick clay objects can survive being fired.
I think I am doing well on my first two Pieces! I find when they start to dry There is Cracking Mostly around the Inside( bottom around) the bottom rim .I know there must be something I am doing but cannot figure out what? Do you think Its Too Thin?
I would like to know How Long do you wait to DRY Before you take it out of the Bowl and start pounding on it.(You didn't state how long.....If you do it too soon it will be too soft and if you dry it too much it probably would Crack...../Is it HRS?
How long it takes to get to the right dryness will depend on how much moisture is in the air and on the type of clay you are using. It's usually best to let things dry slowly; so, I usually cover my pottery, especially if the air is dry. You just have to experiment to see how quickly your clay dries.
The music killed the video. People want to hear what he has to say. As far as it being Cherokee pottery it's only that because he is Cherokee. But it's not made anywhere near the ancient ways. My mother made ancient Cherokee pottery the ancient ways. She had museums try to have her make pottery without her putting her mark on bottom so they could say it was original ancient pottery. She wouldn't do it because it is wrong to fraud people.
Not really traditional but it works, didn't they use hide, and there weren't any work benches, they used only hands and their legs to roll out clay, or like a drum head, hide stretched across a loom. That sat in their lap. I mean come on. We learned about this in social studies. I'm not saying he doesn't know, I'm just saying that he or his teacher got lazy and found an easier way the only traditional thing about making this pot is the material and the finished result resembling a traditionally made Cherokee pot
Let's get this straight...you think you and your social studies teacher know more about making a Cherokee pot than a Cherokee man who has been doing it for years? You have no idea what they used for a table...no one knows who wasn't there. Your racism and the racism in your school books tells you it must have been nothing, because how could Indians use anything like would be used now? This man is an award winning potter, I'm going to guess you are not. So maybe you should show some respect.
Well... you keep adding to the clay pot, seemingly weakining the rim. But the oddest part is when you, at the last minute, add an extra ingredient I'll call "The Snot" from your nose to the very top of the rim. Did anyone see? Wow! All I have to do is gather up some of my own snot for the rim. After all you were sniffling up some during the first half of the demonstration! Yeah! "Snot in a pot!" Yikes!
David Henson- Beg to differ. Sure am gettin tired of ALL people.making generalized assumptions about a general group of people based on the actions.if a few. To make those assumptions and false.stayements, one would have to.have met every... single... white person. Otherwise "all" statements, such as "White people don't think that way" are just false. That's like saying "Chinese people are cheap", or "Jews are cheats", or "Blacks are gangbangers", or "Mexicans steal." I know examples of.people of these races that fulfill all of these, and also examples that do not. But arguing w someone w their mind already made up and not an efficient use of time. Please curb the racism.
Rape and genocide have existed before history, all humans have done it to eachother at some point. Slavery as well. It doesn't matter though its all wrong.
I think you are mistaken, Im also a native american, but 1/4 s american, also mostly indigenous my family was too poor to mix with Europeans. Native communities modern strife are comparable to the black community, poverty , hard drugs and single motherhood, incarcerations for the men. Starting to see that the welfare state, dependence on big government and the systematic destruction of the family are the true problems for us.
