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@fredmartin3117
@fredmartin3117 7 лет назад
Took my flight training in a Cessna. I have only owned low wing , 2 Cherokees(1966&1976), Grumman, Ercoupe, Bonanza, Homebuilt Teenie Two and Homebuilt Stitts Playmate over the years. Allaround and allpurpose best I think was the 1966 Cherokee. Really learned to love that hershey bar. Am now almost 80 and no longer active so I guess it really doesn't make any difference now but to look back with fond memories.
@hglide82
@hglide82 6 лет назад
I'm 36 and finally beginning my private pilot training after dreaming about since I was in single digits. Thank you for imparting your wisdom and experiences, for bothperspective and current aviators to learn from!
@larmar
@larmar 5 лет назад
I know the feeling I hung it up a few years back too!
@shaunaweisman1119
@shaunaweisman1119 5 лет назад
Hello Fred Martin. I thank you for your comments, and YES it does make a difference. Being 80 years young you have so very much to offer with your experiences and knowledge! My boyfriend just turned 58 today and he has wanted to be a pilot most all of his life. I am trying to get him to go forth and FLY!.....
@shaunaweisman1119
@shaunaweisman1119 5 лет назад
@@larmar Best Wishes to both you and Fred Martin! May God Bless us All!!!
@toddy2519
@toddy2519 5 лет назад
Fred, I'm approaching 70 and am in the same boat you're in concerning not flying any longer. Money is the biggest factor! I learned to fly in 1981 or so in a Cessna 150, receiving my license about 1 year later. From there I went to A&P school, got that license around 1987, moved from Texas to California, and went to work for Continental Airlines at LAX. I have always loved being around aircraft and it was my dream job. Marriage and raising a family really put a damper on any flying. I still dream about returning but feel it might never happen. Today, I'm retired and the extent of my flying now is with RC airplanes and helicopters. I sure do miss flying though, wishing I had flown the Cherokee, (we did have one in the flying club I belonged to way back then) but was too enamored with the Grumman-American Tigers we had in the club. I really loved that airplane!
@chriscunningham6362
@chriscunningham6362 6 лет назад
We owned a 140 for years as the family airplane. I absolutely loved it. I think it's one of the best light aircraft ever made.
@tomwinchester55
@tomwinchester55 6 лет назад
Chris Cunningham I soloed in a 140 Flight Liner....
@AmericaWest90
@AmericaWest90 8 лет назад
I'm currently training for my Private with a 1967 Cherokee 140. I flew it one day after a scheduling error and I was shocked by how much better it was in virtually every category than with the 172 I was previously flying. Seriously one of the best aircraft ever made.
@N4BQFlyr
@N4BQFlyr 6 лет назад
In addition to the items mentioned in the video, the low wing has a couple more advantages. Ground handling in high winds is one. If you've just landed into a 35 kt gusty headwind, making the 90 degree turn off the runway can be a harrowing experience in the 172, but pretty much a non-event in the Cherokee. The 172's high, heavy wing and relatively narrow main gear will make it want to tip over when encountering strong gusty winds from the side. The Cherokee's wing (and center of gravity) is low and the wider gear spread makes it extremely stable when taxiing in strong winds. The other big advantage is fueling. Fueling (and preflighting) a high wing generally requires a ladder or step stool. Not so with the low wing. Also, if you make the mistake of leaving a gas cap off or loose, in the Cherokee you'll notice it right away. In the 172, you'll notice it somewhere above the ground as the gas gauge plummets for no apparent reason. I've owned both the 172 and Cherokee 180. Both have their plusses and minuses. For example, the 172 has a lot more room for passengers to get in and out. In the Cherokee you get on the wing and have to climb down into the cabin. The Cherokee is also short on rear seat legroom. This was fixed by a 5 inch fuselage stretch that happened about the same time that the Hershey bar wing disappeared, but the early models are pretty tight when it comes to rear seat legroom. Overall, I'd have to say that the Cherokee is my favorite of the two. I've been flying my current one for 25 years now. It goes anywhere from Class B airports to isolated mountain grass strips, while carrying large amounts of people and cargo. What more could you ask for?
@dryan8377
@dryan8377 6 лет назад
Thanks for this awesome post! Good to know.
@Alex-us2vw
@Alex-us2vw 5 лет назад
I’ve never seen anyone use a step stool to preflight a 172 or fuel it. There is a step on the side of the fuselage and sometimes on the wing strut.
@wurstofall
@wurstofall 4 года назад
Alex1911 Both flight schools I have been to have used ladders for both adding fuel as well as checking fuel during the preflight. Not all 172s have that step, but even when it had the little step they didn’t want us using it for some reason.
@aarohivijh
@aarohivijh 4 года назад
@@Alex-us2vw Aircraft fuel hoses are heavy, and the reaction from the fuel flow can easily knock you off balance. I use the step (and other foot on the strut) when I need to check the fuel level but need to use a step stool or ladder for fueling a Cessna.
@arcanondrum6543
@arcanondrum6543 2 года назад
I would add that you can enter/exit a high wing much like a car - and all without stepping on the seat that you're going to be sitting on.
@jcldano
@jcldano 9 лет назад
As a student pilot who will now be moving from Cessna 172 to a Cherokee, this was great information. Thanks!
@747-pilot
@747-pilot 5 лет назад
John L, exactly in the same boat, and was glad I came across this video. I have over 310 total hours in my logbook, just got my instrument rating, and all of my training and solo flying has been done in various high wing Cessnas. PPL in a 152, lots of post PPL cross country flying in 172 M and SP models, and finally all my instrument training in a 172RG. Now I'm finally ready to get my commercial certificate and having moved to the east coast, the flight school near me, which I really want to get my training done at, has only Pipers (Cherokees etc.). I was hesitant at first, but this video really put me at ease!!
@fernandoecamp4462
@fernandoecamp4462 4 года назад
@@747-pilot your landings are going to be smoother do to the ground effect.
@TheJacobshapiro
@TheJacobshapiro 9 лет назад
First plane I ever flew. The Cherokee 180 is one of the best planes of all time.
@triskellian
@triskellian 6 лет назад
I love flying both the C172 and the PA 28.However,my favorite high performance variant of the Cherokee is the 235 hp model.It's a good, fast straight leg little plane!
@awsomebeeotch
@awsomebeeotch 10 лет назад
The Cherokee will always be my favorite only because I got my private pilot instrument rating and commercial rating in it
@jwboll
@jwboll 4 года назад
My favorite things about the Cherokee; no need to tie it down even with 40 kt winds, refuelling is a snap, turbulence penetration is superior to 172, visibility from the cockpit is better (looking forward and downward), door is built rugged/solid. Easy to clean ice/snow off wings/tail. Heater works awesome. My favorite things about 172; side windows open.
@alphawolf5750
@alphawolf5750 7 лет назад
My first flying lessons began in 1974 in a Piper Cherokee 140! I've flown both which includes the Cessna 172, I noticed far better capabilities and rides in the Piper!
@coriscotupi
@coriscotupi 8 лет назад
There was an ad in "Flying" magazine in the 70s that summed up the difference between both airplanes. It was a full-page photo of a Skyhawk flying away toward the horizon with a man on the ramp holding his suitcase. The caption read, "You *can* fly farther in a 172 than in a Cherokee. You just have to decide who stays home".
@jonathangloudeman
@jonathangloudeman 8 лет назад
Hahahaha I wish I could see this!
@dryan8377
@dryan8377 6 лет назад
That's a burn!
@Bartonovich52
@Bartonovich52 6 лет назад
That’s pretty funny considering they both have a useful load of just over 900 pounds, typically configured; they both have the same engine (E series Lycoming O-320) with the same fuel consumption (just over 7 gallons an hour leaned out in cruise); and they both have the same cruising speed (100 knots give or take). The Cessna 172 will always have the advantages of more room, more places to put baggage, more and larger doors, a better view down, shade from the sun, shelter from the rain, no climbing on the wing, no fuel pumps, better flaps, better off field performance, better takeoff and landing performance, room for hangar helpers (boats, cars) under the wing, etc etc etc.
@coriscotupi
@coriscotupi 5 лет назад
@@Bartonovich52 Not so. Check 08:29
@randellpresley5512
@randellpresley5512 5 лет назад
@@Bartonovich52 Have owned both and the Cherokee is way more functional and practical imho.
@iamrichrocker
@iamrichrocker 4 года назад
not even a pilot, only flew in a single engine 3 times, but still, find myself drawn to these videos..air show videos..military compares..just contagious stuff..great video for a novice to enjoy..
@GaryMCurran
@GaryMCurran 8 лет назад
Having time in both airplanes, I tend to agree with everything you have to say here. There's only one thing that the designers at Piper did, and continues to do, that really makes the Cherokee line of aircraft somewhat slower than it has to be. They have that beautiful Laminar Flow wing on it, but then they completely destroy the laminar flow by the use of protruding rivets! If they got rid of the rivets they're using, and went to a flush rivet system, they would probably gain 10 knots. Laminar Flow Systems, a company in Florida, has proved this by STCing some mods for the Piper wing that allow those rivet to be covered over with strips that restore a good percentage of the laminar flow over the wing. But, if Piper did a flush rivet or bonded wing, they would have a much faster airplane. The other thing, in your comparison, if you wanted to compare the Skyhawk to the 180, you should have compared it instead against the 140, or Warrior, since they were the same engine class. That's for the Hershey bar wing, which is no longer manufactured. However, now that the Skylane has 180 HP, in the latest generation, it carries more weight, at 600 pounds with full fuel versus 582 pounds with full fuel for the Archer, which is the 180 hp Piper now.
@Bartonovich52
@Bartonovich52 6 лет назад
It would probably make it slower because of the added weight to put flush rivets in... and the Cherokee doesn’t fly fast enough to make any savings in parasite drag.
@larmar
@larmar 5 лет назад
I had a Horton Stoll kit on mine. Owned two. One with Stoll the other without. If I did it agian I would go with the Stoll. The rivets on the leading edge were pretty clean with the Horton addition.
@ammerudgrenda
@ammerudgrenda 4 года назад
Bartonovich52 It’s not about parasite drag. It’s about the difference between laminar vs turbulent flow.
@geoffreyarnold7292
@geoffreyarnold7292 2 года назад
I learned in Cessnas and Cherokee 140. Owned Cessna 150, Cherokee 140 and 180. I found that passengers, especially people who had not flown before, were more comfortable and less fearful in the low wing Cherokee because it feels more secure to sit on top of the center if lift than to be suspended below the center of lift. People can feel the difference when you hit a bump. Being pushed into the wing under your seat feels safer than the feeling of hanging below the high wing.
@maverickdallas1004
@maverickdallas1004 6 лет назад
I trained in the PA-28 140, 151, 161 and 180. Passed my test in the 161(Warrior II) N3071D. Lots of great memories here! I don't think you will find better basic training aircraft than the Cherokee series, or a better, affordable first airplane for that matter!
@wagnergitirana
@wagnergitirana 3 года назад
Absolute great video and informative. Cherokees and Arrows are my passion and favorite aircrafts.
@donaldparlettjr3295
@donaldparlettjr3295 6 лет назад
My grandmother use to fun Lee airport outside of Annapolis for years and Pipers was our plane of choice for training. It started with J-3s then Colts and Tripacers. We upgraded to the Cherokee 140s and 180Cs. What a great acft. It was honest and tough, that Hershey bar wing was in my opinion better than the taper. I don't know how many hours I put on the different types but was it fun for dates going to the beach. Ahh happy times.
@ericheine2414
@ericheine2414 6 лет назад
I use to go flying with my dad when I was a kid. A Cherokee D or the Cherokee 6. They were both great planes. Flying figure eights and spirals, practicing stalls. The Cherokee was aerodynamicly a very good plane. I miss him and 38 Lima.
@hawxfan01
@hawxfan01 4 года назад
Happen to be N5138L? If so, she's still flying.
@danielgoodson703
@danielgoodson703 4 года назад
Teaching my son to fly currently in a 64 Cherokee 140. Beyond words enjoyment. Hope he garners the same priceless memories from his son as well.
@Chimp_Assassin
@Chimp_Assassin 9 лет назад
The piper is so easy to fly. After 20hr in a skyfox gazelle (which is also an easy aircraft to fly) i tried out the piper without ever having flown with a yolk, flaps, trim wheel or mixture to deal with, i was able to fly with minimal verbal instructions and zero intervention from my instructor, including takeoff, circuits and landing. a real testament to the aircraft.
@robgrt
@robgrt 9 лет назад
My dad had the Bonanza V-tail, then the Cherrokee and later the Comanche.....loved the Pipers...
@RoninTXBR549
@RoninTXBR549 6 лет назад
robgrt My aunt had an early model Bonanza V-tail. My father had the Bellanca Viking when I was young. Great memories!
@jennydiazvigneault5548
@jennydiazvigneault5548 6 лет назад
I grew up flying a Bellanca Viking. We had one from my age of 14 to 18. That was a. lot of fun.
@real3tron3
@real3tron3 6 лет назад
goes out and hugs his cherokee, have you hugged yours ?
@norbertsiewert3917
@norbertsiewert3917 6 лет назад
I have flown both types of aircraft. For local sightseeing, the 172 is superb. however, for cross country flights, I always took a Cherokee. The Arrow was my favorite.
@Snakeskinncowboy
@Snakeskinncowboy 4 года назад
I just bought a Cherokee 235 as my first airplane. Great info which confirms I made the right choice of airplane. Just fast enough to get you there quickly. And enough muscle to carry me and my friends with 84 gallons of fuel.
@timmymartin7293
@timmymartin7293 5 лет назад
Have some great memories in the 172 during 4yrs with my Civil Air Patrol unit, the 926th tactical fighter group NASJRB Belle Chasse, La. in the early ‘80s …My best friend’s dad had a Piper Cub that was too much fun.
@phatafrican
@phatafrican 9 лет назад
Great video.. I think it's a matter of personal preference. I learned to fly in a cherokee, and even though I have time in a C172, the PA 28 will always be my favourite.
@raycradduck6697
@raycradduck6697 5 лет назад
Nice
@noserly
@noserly Год назад
The one I learned on was older than I was. And that was in the 80s. No telling how long it ended up flying. Great plane.
@justmusclecars
@justmusclecars 10 лет назад
great video! I own a Cherokee 140... the little brother to the 180. I have to agree that the Hershey bar wing was a wonderful design and the fact that my 1964 Cherokee is still flying strong after all those years is a testament to its design. I prefer the Cherokee's low wing over the Cessna but there is certainly nothing wrong with Cessna design. I know plenty of guys that swear by their cessnas.
@AlejandroGomez-np8vl
@AlejandroGomez-np8vl 6 лет назад
My first airplane was a Piper PA-28 Warrior II, very similar. And I love it.
@charliebowman785
@charliebowman785 4 года назад
A great video for a legendary airplane. I wonder why fly schools don't teach aerodynamics this well and this easy....and even experienced airline and military pilots. Please keep up the good work. Thanks.
@dualref9580
@dualref9580 9 лет назад
On a nice cloudless winter day we were cruising over OKC at about 8,000ft. The guys sitting in front were sweltering from the heat. The two guys in the back seat, well you could see their breath due to the cold cabin temp back there. The heaters are not the best. But I love everything else about the "Cherokeet". It is so forgiving. You really have to manhandle it to get in any trouble. And even then it'll try to save you with that great static stability that's built into it. It's a great airplane for experienced pilots, but be forewarned that compared to a Cherokee, other aircraft may seem to "bite" when they stall. If all you've flown are Cherokees, then you should probably take a few hours dual with a CFI before moving on to Cessna's & Beeches. And they do feel solid too. I was very surprised to see a Cherokee weighs less than the 172 does, I thought it would be the other way around.
@dryan8377
@dryan8377 6 лет назад
a 140 with a/c? wow. was it ifr rated too?
@OG29
@OG29 Год назад
I owned one of each and did not find an overwhelming characteristic in either. I slightly preferred the Cessna for the downward visibility. And (for the ones I owned), the cessna was slightly faster though not enough to be a deciding factor.
@rodhigh7
@rodhigh7 6 лет назад
I learned to fly in a Cherokee back in 1973. It was and still is a sweet bird !
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 6 лет назад
My dad had a part interest in a Cherokee 6 when I was little. Sadly, one of the other owners was flying out of Mexico, trying to get to the boarder because GA Aircraft are not allowed to fly after dark. For this reason he did not buy any fuel. He calculated what he needed and figured he had enough, but just barely. Unfortunately he had quite a bit of head wind and ran out of fuel still over Mexico. The guy landed without damaging the plane on a beach, then headed to a near by village on foot. He found some people willing to help him move the plane to the village and sell him some fuel but the take off was a bit sketchy. The main street in the village was long enough by a large tree at the end. He called my dad and gave him the numbers and Dad contacted Piper. Piper told him he could clear the tree but only just. He decided not to risk it and made arrangements for a truck. and removed the planes wings. Turned out the cost of getting the plane out of Mexico was going to cost more than the plane was worth, so they wrote it off. Later some doctor from Texas bought the plane, put the wings back on (he was *NOT* an A&P) and took off for Texas. He must have attached the wings wrong because shortly after take off the wings came off in flight. Not sure if it was both wings or just one, in any case he killed himself and his wife. Having "Doctor" in front of your name doesn't mean you are not an idiot.
@quidestnunc9238
@quidestnunc9238 5 лет назад
Agree with TheJacobShapiro on Cherokee 180 (in which I learned to fly in the late 1970's). The Miami University Flying Club owned three late 1960's vintage Hershey Almond Bar winged 180's which were kept variously at Oxford Ohio and Bath, Indiana (Richmond, Indiana) airports.
@MichaelBrown-ys6tj
@MichaelBrown-ys6tj 4 года назад
I learned to fly in a C150, 52, and 72, The day I got my Private, I went over to the Piper dealer and got checked out in a Warrior. WOW, what a difference. Hands down, I love those Pipers.
@djyork1673
@djyork1673 3 года назад
I have most of my flight time in Cherokees but have flown 150, 172 and 182 and did spin training in a 150. I loved the Pipers, easy plane to fly and the Lycoming is a very reliable engine Have been away from flying for years but going to go back soon and looking to buy a Cherokee 180
@boricuayehudim427
@boricuayehudim427 2 года назад
My first flying lesson in 1974 was in a Cherokee 140 in Teterboro Airport New Jersey ☺️🛩️
@rbest3519
@rbest3519 7 лет назад
Not only is there an advantage in visibility while flying and in the landing pattern, also an in visibility while taxiing on the ground. No need to park angled towards the approach end of the runway for run-up. Unless you're on a sight-seeing tour, I can't see any real advantage of a high-wing. The only thing I would change about these planes would be the addition of another door. If only Piper would re-manufacture the Cherokee 140/150 at a reasonable price point, they would own the flight training market, and vastly increase demand for the rest of their product line.
@Bartonovich52
@Bartonovich52 6 лет назад
Lots of advantages. Better view down for traffic avoidance. Easier entry and exit. No fuel pump required. Wing struts can be in tension and used to make a lighter and less intrusive wing structure (the very few low wings that are strutted have struts in compression which are always weaker... and the Cherokee has a cantilever wing which interrupts the cabin with a centre section). Shade. Shelter. Obstacle clearance. Larger flaps. Hangar helpers (boats, cars, etc) can be stored underneath. Oh... and even upward visibility isn’t necessarily hampered by high wings. Look at a Cessna Cardinal or a Cessna Skymaster. Both have as good or better upward visibility than the Cherokee series.
@larmar
@larmar 5 лет назад
Yup you either looking above the wing or under it. I can show you a dime on the ground at 1000 in either. Both are great aircraft
@nidurnevets
@nidurnevets 8 лет назад
Great Video! I learned on the Cherokee Cruiser, in the late 1970s,and later flew the Warrier and Archer. Great airplanes!
@bartofilms
@bartofilms 7 лет назад
Thank You for this video. Just started flight school and have 1.6 hrs. logged in a PA28-180. Was thinking of switching to the 172, but now I think I'll stay with the PA28. :).
@Xiderpunk
@Xiderpunk 7 лет назад
My advice would be to learn in which ever is the cheapest. They are both excellent trainers and neither has a distinct advantage over the other. After you finish training then depending on what you intend to do with your flying, you could look at what aircraft to fly. Neither the 172 or the PA28 are good as tourers, they lack the speed and useful load. Basically both are outclassed by more capable machines intended for the roles in which they were designed.
@beegee22
@beegee22 3 года назад
well done and very informative video! Thank you!
@graemewilliams1308
@graemewilliams1308 7 лет назад
When I got my licence I had to take whatever a/c was available on the day. Was jumping from PA 28 Warrior to C 172. I liked the flying characteristics of the PA 28 better & really liked the mechanical flap system. Great little performer.
@davedeiler2072
@davedeiler2072 4 года назад
Thank you featuring a Civil Air Patrol Cesna 172 in your video
@AlpineWarren
@AlpineWarren 8 лет назад
Update - We need this in MSFS!
@muchfun101
@muchfun101 6 лет назад
I would say the ease of fueling and checking fuel during your pre flight or after fueling would be the largest real world differences in these two aircraft. With the large openings of the engine cowling allowing access to the engine of the Piper being a close second. Just one pilots perspective I guess.
@hertenflats.deferien-monte2888
Brad Mitchell Well, now we are two at least ;-)
@OldGriz708
@OldGriz708 4 года назад
Very well done 👍 You explained it to where someone with no clue could make sense of it all.
@gabrielg962
@gabrielg962 Год назад
hope to see this on msfs2020 soon!
@robingermon4071
@robingermon4071 5 лет назад
The PA28 Cherokee is an excellent training aircraft and it fly's very well into short bush strips.The PA28 is an excellent training aircraft especially for spinning. I know the FAA dont approve spinning but most countries outside the USA use them for spinning training. The PA28 demonstrates in spinning, high speed stall recover. SO very important if you want to be fully experienced with an aeroplane.The PA28 with 3 in is a good short strip aircraft. 500 yards it works well. A great instrument training platform and a very low maintenance aircraft. I would say the Cherokee PA28 with the 0320 or 0360 engines is one of the best aircraft ever made. Retired CPL
@GWMRed
@GWMRed 5 лет назад
I didn't review all of the comments, but I think it's important to look at the development history of the Cherokee and its connection to Fred Weick and the Ercoupe: the Cherokee and Ercoupe share the "dish" just aft and below the wing leading edge, high angle dihedral, and wide gear stance.
@lis819
@lis819 10 месяцев назад
Like a big comfy armchair in the sky! Loved it :-)
@FlyingsCool
@FlyingsCool 5 лет назад
My bet is another major contributor to the extra noise is the extra structure right up around your ears. All that energy is being transmitted up through the fuselage and ringing right next to your head.
@stealhty1
@stealhty1 6 лет назад
Flown each C-172 & PA-28 over 100hrs, great GA planes however I stay with the Cherokees
@mflauer
@mflauer 8 лет назад
Excellent review and right on the mark.
@jrdeckard3317
@jrdeckard3317 5 лет назад
The December 2018 FAA Air Service Bulletin that requires all Piper Cherokee and Arrow aircraft to have their wing spars checked for cracks, should be added to this video.
@daveriley6310
@daveriley6310 3 года назад
Now AD 2020-24-05, effective 12-28-2020. I just bought within the last 2 weeks a Cherokee, my first Piper, and a C-414, my third twin Cessna.
@cherfieldm
@cherfieldm 4 года назад
Thanks for this very informative video.
@kencohagen4967
@kencohagen4967 6 лет назад
I want one. I'll have to win the lottery first, but the Cherokee has almost all the characteristics I would want in a beginning aircraft.
@North700
@North700 9 лет назад
Great video and very well thought out, Thanks for making it!
@genedillman7811
@genedillman7811 3 года назад
Great video. Learned a lot. Thanks.
@dankloker7041
@dankloker7041 5 лет назад
I have had both Cherokees and Skyhawks.... I’ll take the Skyhawk any day. Who likes to Crawl up on the wing only to squat and drop inside. I love Cessnas two doors. As far as pitch changes with power, I like the fact that the nose rises with advancing the power on a Cessna.... I was taught power for altitude changes, pitch for airspeed changes... Easier in a Cessna
@Yurigavarret
@Yurigavarret 2 года назад
I learned to fly on this aircraft! Love it
@G56AG
@G56AG 6 лет назад
Interesting, I have always wondered about the differences, I have quite a bit of time in Cessna's, but have never flown a Cherokee or any Piper aircraft.
@maxpuppy96
@maxpuppy96 3 года назад
I grew up around airplanes all my life, my uncle had a Tri Pacer and a Cessna high wings he liked the ground visibility they had, my first choice always was the Cherokee.
@gordonmccoy4537
@gordonmccoy4537 8 лет назад
Great subject matter and discussion on high/low wing..... Can you make a Vid on "T" tailed aircraft VS low-mounted tail feathers and the +/-'s of each configuration? Thanks, Gordon
@dryan8377
@dryan8377 6 лет назад
The t-tailed thing is a balance between elevator authority at low speed, and turbulence (smooth flying) at altitude and speed. This is one complex cookie box to open. I'm no engineer, but there are pro's and con's all around this one for many years. It's a rabbit hole for sure! Someone should be able to chime in with a relevant response much better than mine. Cheers!
@cherfieldm
@cherfieldm 6 лет назад
Good video, thanks it gives us more guidance if buying airplane in the future.
@BigCarmine
@BigCarmine 5 лет назад
Having a couple thousand hours flying both C172/182 and PA-28, both as pilot and as CFI, I long preferred the Cherokee to the Skyhawk. However, that being said, I love anything with wings and an engine, as long as I'm flying.
@sssigsauer2266
@sssigsauer2266 5 лет назад
Got to fly a Cessna 150 when I first started in 1977. Then a 172 later, but my favorite fun do nothing but screw around plane was a Tri- Pacer. Would like to have a shot with a Cherokee sometime though. Never myself flew a low wing. Bet it’s a different experience, but sometimes I wouldn’t care if it was a bike with wings if it flew.
@rinunculartoo3006
@rinunculartoo3006 5 лет назад
Love the Cherokee, first ever plane flight was in a 140.
@stationmanager9325
@stationmanager9325 2 года назад
The Piper Cherokkee I have found is a very good aircraft for spinning training. The PA28 is very positive in all aspects of spinning, but one must be aware that you can run into high speed stalling in any aircraft recovering from spinning. I was asked to demonstrate spinning in a Commercial Flight test and passed with flying colours so to speake.!! The PA 28 Cherokke would be one of the best general aviation aircraft that has even been designed. A very stable aircraft and capiable of showing 106kts in the cruise on higher power settings.
@shannonwittman950
@shannonwittman950 7 лет назад
Really fascinating video extolling the virtues of the Cherokee. In my youth as a lover of the old roundwing aircraft, when the first Cherokees arrived I thought it was sort of boring. But over the decades I've come to appreciate its looks. This was hurried along when I was told that Fred Weick, designer of the timeless Ercoupe/Aircoupe, was part of Piper's design team. I've even developed an affection for the original Cherokee hershey-bar wing! While its true that the Cessna 172 has become the GA trainer of choice for most, this video makes me want to pay far more attention to the Cherokee and its subsequent incarnations than I had before. Thanks!
@alexanderordinary2110
@alexanderordinary2110 5 лет назад
I remember when I first flew the cherokee. up until that point I had around 50 hrs in a 172. When I flew the cherokee, the differences were instantly noticeble, from take off to landing , and everything in between, the handling was much better.
@williamnedbalek6836
@williamnedbalek6836 6 лет назад
Extremely well-done, interesting & educational! Thank you!
@deingewissen_official
@deingewissen_official 2 года назад
GREAT video. I learned a lot
@lrh411
@lrh411 5 лет назад
The one place I feel the low wing is superior for sure is crosswind landings. I've always kind of thought of it as surfing (low wing) and hang gliding (high wing). I learned in a 172 but I own a Cherokee 180... I think the Piper flies better but I never turn down a chance to fly a Cessna or anything else for that matter! Good video, great explanation.
@charleslong5373
@charleslong5373 5 лет назад
I personally like the low wing. The Piper Archer is a great plane. It lands gracefully and is easy to control. It’s just big enough for general transportation for four people.
@garymanning8920
@garymanning8920 4 года назад
I got to fly a Bellanca 79 Viking turbo prop, and a Mooney low wing which had manual crank RG. 4 years in mostly a 59 Tripacer though.
@jennydiazvigneault5548
@jennydiazvigneault5548 6 лет назад
There were planes before the Cherokee that didn't have struts such as the Bellanca Cruisair from 1937 and the Ercoupe also from 1937. The Bonanza first flew in 1945. The Navion was from near the same time.
@peterseissler
@peterseissler 6 лет назад
I trained on PA28-140, great bird!
@michaelmaurer1022
@michaelmaurer1022 6 лет назад
I started flying lessons i n an Aronica 7AC. Later I resumed my lessons in a Cherokee 140. My first solo flight was in the Cherokee 140
@hunterfagan6272
@hunterfagan6272 9 лет назад
A2a should also make a Cherokee 140 with a different kind of Cherokee cockpit
@eatmyjetfuel4998
@eatmyjetfuel4998 7 лет назад
Like X plane ;)
@dougmackenzie5976
@dougmackenzie5976 2 года назад
Almost died in a Cherokee 140, due to the pilot thinking he could carry three grown men. I'm glad they took the back seats out. It's a two seater. I'll enjoy my C-182, thanks.
@rb5235
@rb5235 10 лет назад
Should would be nice if you guys build a Piper Comanche. The best aircraft ever built by Piper. As a PA28 owner having time in both low and high wing, I'll take the Piper.
@rodneybuckland4140
@rodneybuckland4140 7 лет назад
hi from the future! it happened :)
@DNHarris
@DNHarris 7 лет назад
Indeed!
@gmcjetpilot
@gmcjetpilot 6 лет назад
Nice video and have been in aviation a long time as pilot and engineer. Sadly Embry Riddle lost a Piper Aero to wing spar cap fatigue early this year. It is a strong wing but as they get older and high cycles (for a GA plane) they need to be inspected more.
@zippoc04
@zippoc04 6 лет назад
gmcjetpilot Agreed, that corrosion due to dissimilar metals should have been caught. As a cherokee pilot, glad my plane was unaffected, but also glad to see an AD come out on them. It’s sad accidents have to happen at all, but at least each one makes GA safer.
@merc340sr
@merc340sr 9 лет назад
Amazing video! I had no idea about the advantages of Piper low wing design. ...I am not a pilot though...and as a passenger I still think that Cessna provides better visibility and comfort. Sitting in the Piper, it feels like your leaning back.....
@jamescoker9545
@jamescoker9545 5 лет назад
Excellent vid. Thanks
@CaptainDoron
@CaptainDoron 9 лет назад
AWESOME VIDEO OF THE PA28..EXCELLENT JOB GUYS..KEEP THESE VIDEOS COMING..😊
@eromadroleromadrol5171
@eromadroleromadrol5171 6 лет назад
Thank you for posting this !
@JMX246
@JMX246 6 лет назад
Great video - my favorite plane
@davidbyrd5065
@davidbyrd5065 5 лет назад
I have been an A&P SINCE 1969 , I like flying the Cherokee series. But I find the Skyhawk somewhat easier to maintain. Also on our flight school planes the main gear leg on the PA 28 kept shaking loose from the spar attach point.
@mikestone9129
@mikestone9129 7 лет назад
Nice video. Nice comparison. Very honest.
@SteveAubrey1762
@SteveAubrey1762 6 лет назад
Excellent video! I am in the market to buy an older airplane. I had pretty much decided on an early 60s Cessna 172. Maybe I should find someone to take me up in a Cherokee.
@mrlarkin6416
@mrlarkin6416 7 лет назад
Great video of a classic little plane thank you 😎
@josephbishop1146
@josephbishop1146 5 лет назад
Hey Guys, Karl Bergey is a good friend of mine! He still lives in Norman, Oklahoma and still runs the company he started although he is well into his nineties. Just as sharp and feisty as he ever was, LOL!
@alqumran8930
@alqumran8930 4 года назад
The PA28 Cherokee is a very practical aircraft. An aircraft that will outdo I belive a cessna172 in rough weather. The PA28 is very controllable in 40kt winds, an attribute on cross country flying with marginal weather. The PA28 is a very stable instrument platform, for the basic to advance pilot. The PA28 is a very good aircraft for demonstrating advanced stalling and spinning. I have done hours of it in the PA28. It also is prone to high-speed stalling out of a dive or steep descent, which is good to learn. But very controllable,.Cross country flying at 2500 R.P.M one can cruise with a load at 100kts. Fuel range is excellent. The PA28 on a 4-hour cross country is very comfortable. The elevator trim tab is very effective.
@alfredozamudio1805
@alfredozamudio1805 Год назад
Wonderful aircraft!
@Dettol68
@Dettol68 10 лет назад
A fantastic video and a great voice!
@samuelnuchia4989
@samuelnuchia4989 6 лет назад
That's a nice shout out to the CAP at the end
@AdamGbl95
@AdamGbl95 3 года назад
Wish more I could see more about the piper Saratoga...for some reason I like that plane, though I haven't been in one.
@lisazehner6755
@lisazehner6755 7 лет назад
Did not read all the comments, but the 172S is a 180hp so comparing it to the 180 cherokee is correct.
@briank3754
@briank3754 2 года назад
Did my private and instrument in a 172. Transitioned to a Piper Seneca for my multi and couldn’t believe how much better the low wing Pipers fly. Bumpy and twitchy, the 172 is a lot more work to fly and doesn’t fly smoothly at all. In 2022 the Cessnas are beyond overpriced both new and used for their capabilities and performance. I can’t believe more schools don’t use Pipers for initial trainers. I have since had a chance to try out a Cherokee 160 and I will be buying a Piper as my first airplane. I love the Mooneys as well, but for now going to stick to a simple aircraft for ownership.
@charliebowman785
@charliebowman785 7 лет назад
Excelent video!
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