Chevy's 427 MONSTER That Ford Was Scared To Race - The 1963 Impala Z11 

I agree the Thunderbolt crushed them all. But they came in 64.

@@paulabes4220 Mopar down sized their cars for 1962, That same year they also introduced the Max wedge 413. Both Ford and Chevy full size cars Were 700 pounds heavier than A Mopar. Both Ford and Chevy built a lite version of their full-size cars but they were still to heavy to compete with the Mopar Cars. the thunderbolt was built to run against the Max wedge Mopar's, Chevy was not a factor. In the mid 1960's NHRA got lost with their modified funny cars. Then decided to get back to what Fans could identify with. Super Stock class was born that is when Mopa built the hemi Dart and Cuda. they were the only Cars to be a true A/super Stock.

@@paulabes4220they go boom a lot

Maybe if a guy had a 1960 ford with a 352 he may not want to race a z11, I'll bet there was never a Thunderbolt owner that would shy away.

Ford wasnt backing down from NOBODY ! Thunderbolts and Comets would wring bowtie out like a wet towel.

The mystery motor was the mark 4 bbc

I believe it was the predecessor of the Mk IV, and it was called the Mk II.

The Mystery Motor was totally different from the 427 that would replace it immediately. The Mystery Motor had a bigger bore with a shorter stroke vs the 427 that GM engineers decided to go with instead. The reason was COST CUTTING: The Mystery Motor would cost far more to produce. Other than the valve train issues, the Mystery Motor was much more powerful & could rev better than the 427 that replaced it, due to the Mystery Motor's shorter stroke. Both Junior Johnson ( with Ray Fox as his engine builder ) and Smokey Yunick loved the Mystery Motor in nascar competition, even though they were having major problems with the valve train holding together for an entire 500 mile race. But in EVERY race that Junior Johnson ran the Mystery Motor, it was leading the most laps until it blew up, and if the valve train held up, IT WON THE RACE.......blowing the doors off everything else. And they won many races in '63, but their DNF's kept them from winning the '63 championship. Both Junior Johnson and his engine builder Ray Fox stated that if they could've solved the valve train issues so the engine would live, they would've easily won nearly every race........providing they didn't crash, get crashed, or screw up somehow with bad pit stop strategies. It's a damned shame, because if the bean counters were ignored & pushed aside by GM's top brass and had chosen to stick with the Mystery Motor, their engineers could've had the time & money to solve the valve train issues that plagued the Mystery Motor. They simply didn't allow enough time for Chevy's engineers to "get it right". Smokey Yunick even stated that aside from the sketchy valve train, the Mystery Motor was a far superior and more potent engine vs the 427 that replaced it........which was totally different due to a smaller bore and longer stroke. @@HioSSilver1999

For 1963. It was tough 400 lbs lighter than the Ford's. But in 64. The ford 427 hi riser blew it away. Then the 426 hemi blew it away. The mk2 mystery motor. Had nothing for them so Chevy pulled out of racing. They were out gunned and knew it. But I am glade that some of these cars survived. They deserved there place in history

You're so off the mark, it's pathetic. When Junior Johnson with Ray Fox raced in the '63 season in nascar, they led the most laps until 1 of 3 things happened: either the valve train failed in the Mystery Motor, or they were crashed, or a bad pit stop/strategy. In any race where none of those things happened, and that was a lot of races, they won EVERY race. But too many DNF's kept them from winning the championship that same year. You better tighten up on your racing history Buckwheat. Furthermore: Chevy didn't back out of racing "because they had nothing for the competition"............that's pure bullshit. During the off-season, Chevy had already promised & delivered a handful of Mystery Motors and complete Impala's to both Junior Johnson and Smokey Yunick.......but then Chrysler, Ford, and GM had a private meeting where all 3 agreed that "racing was taking over their bottom line & something had to be done". So the top brass of all 3 companies arrived at a mutual agreement to stop racing altogether, so they could focus on building cars for the general public. But just before the next season began for nascar, both Ford and Chrysler renegged, with each of them believing "we'll be the only factory backing our cars in the races"............Chevy/GM was the only one who stood behind their decision to keep out of racing for a period. Again: YOU NEED TO RESEARCH THE HISTORY. Then, in '66 or '67, Smokey Yunick decided to run Chevelle's with motors he built himself & planned to race only at the Daytona 500, Atlanta, Charlotte, and Talladega........all out of his own pocket because he had no factory backing. With Curtis Turner as his driver, and his race motor sitting on a stand, they went out for practice with AN EVEN SMALLER shakedown motor ( around 403 or 408 cu in ) during BOTH practice sessions and blew the f*cking doors off all of the big factory backed teams of both Ford AND Chrysler.......to add insult to injury, they kept running that little de-stroked shakedown motor AND WON THE POLE POSITION. Smokey was then ready to install what he called his "Gorilla Motor" for the actual race: his special 427 de-stroked down to around 418 cu in I think it was. But his driver Curtis Turner kept insisting "this little motor we're running right now has already proven itself & still running strong". Smokey was leary of the valve train in that motor because he only designed it for shakedown's. But Turner kept insisting and Smokey relented, on 1 condition: Turner could lead some laps, but then lay back & save the engine for the final 20 laps, then use the extra power this little motor obviously had OVER THOSE BIG CHRYSLER & FORD TEAMS and in his own words: "Pass all of those son's a bitches and win this damned race". Turner was following the plan: he led many of the early laps, allowing other cars to pass him, then he would pass them right back into the lead, then he was laying back as he was ordered. But Smokey's little rag-tag team gave Curtis the worst pit stop time of the entire field which placed Turner near the back of the field. That pissed Turner off, so he floored it. Within several laps, he had the leader, Ford driver Mario Andretti in his sights and timed laps proved Turner was running faster........but then blew up the motor. They were also fastest in practice at the very next event in Atlanta, but Turner crashed during practice and totaled the car. Smokey was so pissed, he backed out for the rest of that season. All of the above humiliated top brass at Ford & Chrysler SO much, that they threatened Bill France before the start of the next Daytona 500: "If you let that bastard enter this race, we're pulling every car we are backing". Bill France kept assuring Smokey that "he would have no problem passing inspection with his Mystery Chevelle for the next 500. HE WAS LYING. With only hours left before practice sessions began, they failed Smokey's frame and many other things. Track promoter Humpy Wheeler stated on camera that never was he so proud of any man in the history of nascar, as he was the year before, when Smokey ran as the independent underdog "in that Chevelle with the little motor" and totally embarrassed all of those big factory back teams by Ford and Chrsyler". So you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. @@dce428

It was much much better. That old Z11 is just a punched out 348-409 block

The Z-11 427 was based off the 409 The engine had a larger bore with shorter stroke than the later 427 chevy. The Z-11 still had the goofy combustion chamber chevy used on the 348, Ford tried on the MEL engine that turned out to be a flop.

The 409's were quick and nearly unbeatable. Years later in the mid 80's I found a 409 63 Impala for sale. I reluctantly passed it up because it had dropped valves.

@@LanceisLawson The 409 was quick until you run up against a Mopar max wedge or a Thunderbolt! Both Ford and Chevy built lite weight Impalas and Galaxies, they were to too Heavy to be Competitive with lite weight Mopar's and Thunderbolt. Chevy never made a car competitive with Mopar superstocks or the thunder bolt.

stroked- @@Axeman428

i believe chrysler did have hemis from 1951-8 timeframe but nit 426 s

Bingo! was thinking the same thing. And the Z11 was no Hemi destroyer, ever!

That is what I thought. Mopar was running Max Wedge engines at the time.

Well do you think guys stopped running this Z-11 427 after one year?

That's probably why Ronnie Sox was running a Z-11 himself. 😉

You need to watch the video on you tube called..."Old School Impala"! The white '62 409 Impala 4-speed is racing a '63 burgundy Impala automatic in a 3 race grudge match! Real cool video!

My '63 Super Sport 409/425 gave me lots of beautiful views of the sky back in 1967 when I raced it at Tri-City Dragstrip in Saginaw, Michigan, so I can vouch for your claim with the Z11s.

My uncle's loved those early chevys. But when those 409's blew up, they'd replace it with a 327. As a kid in the 60's I saw a few of them sitting in the dirt. Used to pee in the intake .

I came here for this comment. It seems time adds to amnesia. Long lasting were two words we NEVER used to describe them.

Amen to that, there's always a FE of some variation at any meet I go to, but I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a 409.

the 409s were noted for engine parts breakage. Anything over 5,800 RPMs and you were asking for it.

The BBC didn't replace the W for no reason. However the "parts breakers" as you state is a stretch seeing as the 348 and 409 were in medium duty trucks. If your saying dummies over revved them constantly and blew them up, that I can agree with.

@thomashuteson6191 I had the 65 Galaxie 500 convertible. Interceptor 427 with a 4 speed. Got me into SOOO much trouble on Friday and Saturday nights. I loved that car.

No mopars musta been shitty getting beat all the time

With all due respect to Ford, Chevy and Pontiac...the Ramcharhers Team of the 60s had much success.

I would have to agree with you...

I agree. Also, it doesn’t even matter whether it’s a truck or 4 x 4 whatever it comes in big block four speed rules the day torque and more torque only exception road racing

You'll have to tell him what an "A body" is, first.

@ramblerdave1339 thanks for letting me know. But I think Hemi should narrow the search results for him.

I own a 69 Dart with a factory 440 Mag known as the M code. It's pretty quick too!

I once owned a black '67 Chevelle 2 door with a 283 that I really loved at the time. This was back in 1980.

I had the '63 Impala SS 2 door in 77-78 when I was in H.S.. My dad bought me this as my 1st car from a neighbor lady for $130 bucks. Now that's a price I'd like to see again. I want another one someday but their just so expensive now I probably will never get one.@@howabouthetruth2157

Only 14 were built, I heard from a man who still has one. When properly built they were about the best sounding cars in my area.

Mickey Thompson put an aluminum hemi-head on the 421 Pontiac. I wonder if the car still exists today? Mickey did the same with his Blue T-Bolt . . . saw that care at a car show 20 years ago with the Aluminum Hemi Head on the 427 Ford. Bore spacing on both motors were close which made it possible.

Make that Muncie setup. Not munchie as you called it.

@@scrambler69-xk3kv Down here in Texas we call them munchies

Sounds like your brother was a bit of a jerk. After his boss telling you to pick one and then saying you wasn’t getting it after all.

Your right.

Bless your heart!! When I was 5 (1965), my Dad bought the F85 version, with the premium burning 330, oversquare motor, and the console shifted automatic. What a fun sleeper that car was!! As a little one, I was ALWAYS UNDER DADS FEET, enjoying every cool thing he had to show me!! My mother was an Olds freak too!! Grew up near Woodward Ave, in the Motor City, so burned lots rubber in my younger days!! Peace out.

Me too.

Being born in the mid - 1950's I did enjoy the pre - 1971 production engines. Everybody called production engines produced from 1971 up into the mid 1980's - BOAT ANCHORS. If you think the late 70's Pontiac or Buick production cars had good hp or trq, you should go for a ride in a 1970 Pontiac GTO or 1970 Buick GS with the high performance 455 ci engines that had the hp close to the Chevy Big Block LS-5 with the trq close to the Chevy LS-6. After that ride you would also call the post - 1971 production engines - BOAT ANCHORS.

@@michaelfercik3691, Now that's what I can honestly say "Very well said!" A friend of mine back then, his name was Bill McGillivray, his father owned a Buick Dealership, Bill had a 1970 Buick GS with the Stage II 455 engine, that was one "Maximus Gluteus" hauling MF!

Yes, he should have said two 4bbl carbs…

the High performance 348 had 3 two barrels, the 2x4 intake was first used on the first 409 in 1961.

Three two barrel setup. My cousin had a 1960 Bel Air with a 348 trips as they were called.

They weren’t punched out, they were stroked.

@@SLJ2137694 👌 did a little more research and found that the 409 had been punched out from the 348 - the cylinder walls were too thin to go any bigger

Awesome, for a Chevy. Joke to everyone else.

@@ramblerdave1339 ok Rambler guy lol

@@txmc62 As a former owner of Yenko Turbo Stinger Vega ( #2 ), another Vega, and Racer of a 72 Camaro Trans Am spec Road race car, which lost a cylinder on the 4th lap of the only race I drove it, I have my reasons, for not being overwhelmed by Chevy hype. I can also remember what actually happened in the sixties, unlike most RU-vid creators, and Chevy apologists.

i knew and old racer from back in the 1960s, that had a 427 thunderbolt from 1964 to 1968. When he lost his Ford Support,, Was given a 1968 426 heemi Cuca by Mopar. He said the Mopar support wa sgreat but he said the 426 hemi blew up more times in one year tahn the 4 years he run the 427 high riser.

Thomas: So how was the Hemi's ETA compared to the '62 Plymouth 413 Wedge "Melrose Missile" ETA of just under 12 seconds? "There was some speculation as to what the 413 would be able to do in stock car drag racing, properly prepped. The guess was between 11.9 and 12.5 seconds and trap speeds of between 110 and 115 mph. Good guess, if a bit low on the speed. “The 1962 Dart stands a very good chance of chewing the feathers of its Super Stock rivals, including those of a certain big Indian! (Pontiac)” "The “Melrose Missile” ran 11.93 @118.57 on July 15, 1962, becoming the first stocker to break the 12 second barrier. That pretty much explains the basis of the Max Wedge mythology. And there probably isn’t a single unmolested ’62 Plymouth or Dodge 2-door sedan in the world as a consequence. Since we can't post weblinks on YT, Google this word for word and you'll see the article by "Car Life Road Test"-----> "Vintage Car Life Road Test: 1962 Dodge Dart 413 - The Max Wedge Legend Started Here"

I can't see a 413 ci wedge MoPar, running in compliance with the NHRAs SS or SSA classification in th eleven second range back in the early 1960s.~@@USCG.Brennan

@@ThomasDeLello I just replied with the link, but YT already took it down. Google the title I have above and you'll see the website I'm referring to that shows the 11.9 second 413 Wedge ETA.

The Hemi,pound for pound, was the most efficent engine ever raced in NASCAR.. The Goverment new that Hemi engines were the way to go and had an inverted V-16 Hemi engine that developed 2500 Horse power right after WW2 1945 . It was to be put in fighter planes. It was canned only because the jet engine came on the scene. G.M. even complained to NASCAR in the late sixties about the Hemi being so fast and wanted them banned.Nasscar did ban the Hemi engine and Richard Petty refused to race the whole year. Ford was making their own Hemi and had to can it and use their old conventional engine. It was a thorn in Crysler and fords side. Even to day you can't find a junk yard that has a Hemi engine. You can do so much to them to get a massive amount of Horse power out of a Hemi engine make them in high demand.

The different rear end gearing had nothing to do with six vs. V8 . The deciding factor was if you had a manual or automatic trans or an overdrive . OD typically came with 4.11s . Manuals had either 3.55s or 3.36s , autos had 3.08s or 3.36s depending on what year the car was .

@@bobbrinkerhoff3592 My 66' Chevelle wagon had a 327 Power glide trans with 3:90 gears factory stock. Many years later I swapped in a 350/350 and let me tell you, with that 3:90 gearset in the back, nobody left me sitting at a green light.... Nobody.

@@williamhouk6880 3.90 gears were only available in B-O-P cars as they would only fit in their version of the ten bolt rear end . Chevrolet ten bolts had 3.70s and the twelve bolts had 3.73s as factory equipment .

Never c 1 in my dreams

I agree with you, they were dreams until they broke. This coming from a previous 409/425 Z11 owner.

1963 did have the race only 426 ci Hemi engines and the 426 ci Wedge engines for street production and racing.

First year for the Hemi was mid year 64,

Chrysler, Desoto & Dodge all made Hemi engines between 1951 & 1958. The smallest was Dodge’s 241ci. Largest Chrysler’s 392ci.

Look at what the Pro Stock Mopar engines were chosen until this day.......zero Hemi, unless it has a blower.

Yes, you are correct, they were the Max Wedges, named Ramcharger if it was in a Dodge or Super Stock if it was a Plymouth. 413’s in 62 and 426’s in 63 to mid year 64 when the 426 Hemi was introduced. All the first generation Hemi’s are nice, but not a factor in this conversation.

Woo boy yea Chevrolet just bought me dinner and paid for my house. Go white car

You realize Mercury's were MADE by FORD RIGHT ?

@@Jerry-up8bk reading my comment suggests I understand. Mercury still had the MEL, maybe should have said 427 FE. Sorry my comment confused you. I was good.

An the hemi was banned when it came back it killed ford agian an agian an went drag racing and killed em agian hmmmman now funny cars an top fuel is hemi hmmmmmjust learning some stuff over 4 years been checking 429 boss out now monster to

The T-10 is not a FMC trans. It was made by Borg-Warner.

​@@kellynestegard5208 Maybe not in NASCAR, but the BIG 4 speed Poncho's did indeed use FoMoCo Toploaders. Look it up.

@@accobra62 I look and what I find is that Pontiac used Ford 3 speeds, not 4 speeds.

There was a period, about 67-68 where the base 3 speed manual trans in a GTO was “Dearborn Sourced”, which means it was a Ford 3 speed. I would have liked to be a fly on the wall in the meeting where John DeLorean went to his bosses and told them he wanted to put Ford transmissions in a GM car, a potentially career limiting proposition, but he got away with it. Shortly after, Muncie redesigned their 3 speed to handle more torque, but I understand that the Ford 3 speed was the strongest manual transmission ever put in a GTO.

I think they are all aftermarket hemis today, Keith black etc.

Chrysler didn’t invent the hemi head

@@kevinsmith1446 And the others didn’t create the internal combustion engine, so what’s your point. Chrysler perfected the hemi head.

Dead right mate...👍 that Kevin Smith sounds like a smart arse...!!!

@@fratzogmopars motorcycles were all hemis long before cars

And got whipped by a 63 tempest 421 SD

The “mystery motor” was never competitive in NASCAR. Chevrolet didn’t really win anything in nascar until about the mid 70s.

Mystery motor liked to blow up.

I was going to ask this guy who really doesn't know what he's talking about if this 427 still used the 409's goofy combustion chamber/cylinder head....but you cleared it up. Thanks

@@jesse75 Still do!

the cammer refers to a sohc 427 which the thunderbolt never got. galaxies got those

@@postalsucks9548 my bad they made a side Oiler as well the point I was making is the Ford 427 made as much power or more than the Chevy

@@markweymouth6368 all good. we on the same side of chevy belonging in the trash right lmao

Poor dodge and ford fanboys. The Chevy engines were so fast running ford spent 2 million dollars trying to catch it. Chevy was selling so many cars it was forced to stop racing and thus engine development. If ford or dodge had the same set of circumstances facing them their engines would have faired far far worse than good old Chevy! 8:00 8:00

@@user-yr2vn4ml9l nice to fantasize keep your dreams alive

Everybody forgets to mention the "Corvette"

@@michaelfercik3691 The L88 and ZL-1 Vettes were just lunacy, no doubt about it. But how about the '68 Hemi Darts/Barracudas? Haha!

a guy that knows history i love it!

Ford wasn't scared at all. They came out with their own version of a Hemi called the Cammer. Just like the Chrysler 426 Hemi, they ate Chevys for breakfast. Even Chevrolet's much-hailed 427 rat motor, which to be fair was no slouch that could push the 500HP line, couldn't compete in terms of HP with the Hemis that pushed into the 650HP range. It's simple. Hemis move more air than a wedge. Even a wedge that trys to compromise between a wedge and a Hemi like the porcupine head of the BBC. More air, more power. End of story.

@@fredflintstone505 The cammers weren't much like Hemis (better in theory but not executed well enough for any real benefit), and the L88s and ZL-1s in the light Camaros and Corvettes they came in were absolutely the fastest factory drag cars out there aside from the 1-year-only Hemi Dart and Barracuda factory lightweight cars. The Hemis and Cammers saw more success in stock car racing than drag racing after the early days, and both were essentially banned from it pretty quickly. Hemis then returned to dragstrip dominance while the Ford Cammer just sorta disappeared from motorsports (unless, did they maybe stick around in some road racing applications? I feel like they might have been prevalent in like Can-Am or something).

There was also a 68 Dart GSS. Mr. Norms Grand Spaulding Dodge in Chicago took the GT and put a 440 in it and rebadged it as a GSS, (Grand Spaulding Special).

My best friend's dad had one w. Auto in HS. 70/71

my best friend Rob (RIP) bought one when he was 15 years old for $1700- his youngest sonnow has the car -all original :) @@rogerdodrill4733

They never would of put the big blocks into the dart if not for Mr Norm- the engineers at Chrylsler didn't thinkit was possible :) Cheers @@fratzogmopars

@@guyski666 Yep, and the engineer at Grand Spaulding Dodge who was able to do it was Gary Dyer.

Yes you're right.... Recorded history

Ok what about Lee Shepard? Gliden in a Ford and chevy was Shepard. It was the greatest rivalry in NH RA history. You need to read some more books.

@@rodneydukes7616 it was a great rivalry and it was back an fourth but still yet Chevrolet never dominated drag racing on any level. If you read these books you speak of you would know this

Chevrolet dominates Nascar with most wins by leeps and bounds. What's that girl name that has Camaro Erica Enders pro stock 47 wins 500 Ci Chevrolet. Catch me if you think you. Nascar Chevrolet most successful titles 42 with Ford in secound with Ford with17 titles. In 72 seasons. CHEVROLET u guys are jealous.

@@nobodyjones3624 Chevrolet dominated right now Don't they. 500 CI big block Camaro.

Ford Did build a lite weight Galaxy but they were no match for the Max wedge cars because of teh Weight difference. Ford was not Concerned with Chevy they wanted to beat the Mopar's.

FORD DID Lighten the 63 Galaxie 427 R-code before they built the THUNDERBOLT! What makes YOU think FORD would be UNABLE to lighten them ? DUH!

You couldn't get patent back in the 50s?

You don't know because you never owned and drove cars with both engines. I did. And the 409 was concerning performance. On equal or better than the 396. So keep reading the articles written by people like yourself. Unexperienced experts who wrote what another guy who reads articles wrote.

@@olderthanyoucali8512 If a W engine was so great why not continue with the design? Mark 4 427’s came along in ‘66 and I suppose they were leas powerful as well than your W engines. BTW, I’d be happy to put my 396 up again’st a 409.

No, the 409 was not even close in performance to the 396..... the 348, and the 409 suffered from breathing problems caused by the Port Geometry, from the heads to the carburetor... I'm sorry but no matter what the heck the head was ported out to, it still had a problem breathing above 6200 RPM. Air just does not like making Sharp turns.

... because the heads were so wide and thus much closer together, and the intake manifold was so narrow it had a real problem moving air.

@@olderthanyoucali8512 Which 396 are you refering to? The first 396 in 65 Vetts was conservitavely rated @ 425HP @ 6400RPM if I remember correctly. It will out run any of the 409's. In 66 GM derated them to 375 HP to be able to install them in the Cheveles(for insurance reasons) . It actually made a little more power ,it was just rated at 5400RPM ? instead of 6400 rpm. If you are talking about the 325/350/360 HP models that is a different animal. Although all the 375/425 parts will interchange with them the only parts that are the same are the bolts,water pump,some oil pans and timming cover. That was one of the reasons they were so popular , the interchangeability . If your 396 needed an overhaul you could buy an L88 427 short block for around $ 400. You would have to use the square port heads or later open chamber heads to clear the pistons. A cheap 500HP upgrade. Hard to do with a Ford or Mopar.

its a pity chevy whined so much about everything they got rules changed in their benefit. pity yall still follow that garbage today. chevy should have gone bust in the 80s

​@@postalsucks9548thought they did & got bailed out with Chrysler.

My father raced a 390hp 427 in his 66 Impala SS. He had been in drag racing for several years before he bought his car to race. He still owned the car until the mid 90s. One thing he always stated. “When the factory backed Mopar guys showed up. You could just go ahead and load your car back on the trailer.” To this day he talks about Dick Landy’s car. He said there was nothing like watching that car wind up and leave. Don Grother was another one my father really enjoyed talking about. Coincidentally I ended up working for the engine shop that build Don Grothers engines later on. That shop is currently toy closing its doors.

i would agree with all you said, thats why ford came out with the boss 429 to compete with the hemi and then dodge came up with that bird body that looked ridiculous but was effective for them

In acceleration?......without a blower?.....the Hemi sucks

And then Jenkins with a 327 Nova trailered 50 hemroids only to Unnessasarily red light the Championship away . The " small block" had those mopars beat .

@@bobgyetvai9444 your right but that wasn't till 1970, we are talking 63 64, no 427 chevy or ford beat the max wedges or hemis in those years. Now further there was only 3 races back then, winter nats at Pomona, spring nats at Bristol, US nats indy, mopar ruled the only class that counted that was super stock, if your car wasn't fast enough for that class you ran the FX calasses. Now because there was only 3 national events, to make money all these guys would match race all over the country, thats a time with open trailers and you slept in the tow car, truck, now at these races you would see all these guys adding a little nitro to those engines .with this you see chevys and fords be more competitive.

@@bobgyetvai9444 jenkins, grumpy was crew chief on old reliable, Z11 63 light weight 427 chevy with Dave Strickler which won the AFX class at 63 nationals with a 12.13, I was there.

@@bobgyetvai9444 also don't forget Bob Glidden small block ford powered pinto in 71 running 8.80s amazing.

@@marshalltodd2241Bob Glidden was driving a Mustang in 1971 and the best times out of any of the cars was no better than 9.8 seconds which is nowhere near the 8.8’s you state as happening in 1971.

Just a 4/27 modified would do that

The winged warriors Dodge Daytona and Plymouth Superbird were tearing it up in 69-70 until NASCAR banned the cars. Those Cyclones and Talladegas were great cars too.

@@fratzogmopars you are ignoring the fact that in those years the Talladegas won 29 races, both winged cars combined only won 14. You are dead wrong.

@@KevinTurner-hr1wg Hahaha. That may be so, but My Dad can beat your Dad!

@@robertsteele7672 wow, did you think that up all by yourself? Or did you get help from the other kids licking the windows with you on the short school bus?

You'll never lose it in a parking lot, that's for sure.

When you win 90% of the races you're not competitive....you're dominant like this z11

I love it when they say the Hemi was 'banned' because it so badass, NOPE ! it was banned because it was a race engine that Chrysler would NOT sell to the public !

@@user-mm1se7gy7e yea it was nothing like the production version. Just the sohc 427 furd. It was banned because it was never in a production car.

@@user-mm1se7gy7e ….. they quickly remedied that in 1966 😊…. & then continued to dominate 😉😉

​@@HioSSilver1999if you're serious and not trolling you need to do some research

The full size Chevy 427 had no chance against the thunderbolt! the thunder bolt had the advantage of being lite and also it used teh 427 high riser, this engine was the engine that NASCAR ban, the same tim,e the Hemi was ban. Chevy couldn't win any races so Walley parks NHRA, and Bill France NASCAR both penalized both Mopar and Ford.. Mopar boycotted and ford just built a different engine to race.

This was when Ford built the 427 Cammer. Mopar Cried so the engine was ban before it even raced a single race.