Chinese Dumplings Vs. Japanese Dumplings 

Yeah kind of botched that tbh. Siumai are a cantonese dimsum dish, jiaozi/guotie are ubiquitous in china...

Yeah, I also agree. Really weird title. “Dumplings”, “potstickers” and “gyoza” are all “Chinese” dumplings. Shu mai is a common dim sum dish and it is its own thing.

Yeah fully agree, bad comparison.

Was just about to say this. Japanese gyoza is basically the same as Chinese jiao zhi. Xiu Mai is a dim sum dish and is rarely considered a “dumpling”

Yeah I saw the Japanese dumpling in the thumbnail and was like "isn't that a Chinese dumpling"

It's just a comparison between two types of food, and he liked both. Why Chinese so salty? Because of a very small word difference (in English lol)? Chinese nationalism is so disgusting, fascists.

Shao mai

He made potstickers and shumai. 😂

same, I never associated shaomai with dumplings

YESSSS my eyes hurt when i saw this comparison haha

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Ikr. I can’t believe he made mistakes like this cuz he nailed every single detail of Chinese Xiaolongbao so perfectly.

What a yawnfest that will be. It's almost like Joshua made the mistake on purpose just to get another unfunny Uncle Roger reaction video. He normally has a good knowledge of any dishes that he cooks. So strange he made such a mess of this video.

@@toni-kaku haha had the same thought. All about views, no such thing as bad publicity. 😅🤦‍♂️

SHEEESH

I think he just wanted an excuse to make shumai

Who cares

@@sethvoss1910 comment is out there for people interested. if u dont care then dont reply

@@sethvoss1910 stfu will you call a danish pastry a pizza?

I'd say Shumai is still a form of dumpling, albeit loosely. It's basically kind of like the question of whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich or something: it counts/can count as but also not exactly one-to-one

English doesn’t do enough justice to the wide varieties of dumplings there are in Chinese cuisine. When I was younger, I was fully convinced that there would be different words for baozi (steamed buns with filling) and jiaozi (actual dumplings). I personally wouldn’t even consider shumai a dumpling.

exactly

yes! thank you

Very much the same, but to be more precise, Gyoza is pan fried, Jiaozi is usually boiled. In China, fried dumplings are usually called Jianjiao (Fried dumpling) or Guotie.

@@momentar7494 pot stickers are a thing in the Canton.

@@Ryan-mw1ry its like western chinese food, Japanese flavor dumplings are still chinese dumplings

Shumai is dim sum, and that literally is a tea based brunch.

It's not just similar, it's literally the same thing. The term "Gyoza" is derived from "Jiaozi." Much of Japanese art, language, and architecture as well as some of its cuisine was derived from China, first from the Tang Dynasty, then later from the Sino-Japanese wars.

@@dvduwu I mean Japanese is literally Chinese with two alphabets for pronunciation.

Yes ， gyoza and jiaozi are actually the same, 餃子

Who cares

Well put

I think it's Japanese shumai....Chinese shaomai would have rice inside.

I think this is the best explanation. It's important to emphasize that Japanese dumplings, while being eating in a similar fashion in other places (Mainland China, Taiwan), are still Japanese. Their origin is without a doubt from China.

@ i mean.. i wouldn't say that. josh has been pretty spot on with asian dishes up until this video (not sure about the jollibee one bc i'm not filipino)

What part did he get wrong?

@@dariosanchez7699 if he wanted to compare Japanese gyoza to the Chinese equivalent, there is literally Chinese dumplings called jiaozi or gaozi, they even look a lot similar to each other. Siumai (what he used for comparison) is just not a dumpling.

@@Pollymichaelis Yes the best category would be 鍋貼 (GuoTie) for a comparison. But still I don't see anything Josh said that was so wrong or egregious.

​@@dariosanchez7699 google 餃子, it's literally the equivalent as the Japanese learned from the Chinese. I grew up with the culture, there is nothing "wrong" but it just shows the research wasn't done properly this time. It's like calling hot dogs a hamburger because they both have buns and meat in the middle. I like what Josh does but this time it's just off you know? That being said I don't want him to deter from diverging the type of cuisine he showcases on his channel just because of this mistake though. His Sichuan hot pot video is pretty good and it's only human to make mistakes

點心是"Dian Xin"

@@dariosanchez7699 my Chinese has definitely deteriorated 😂

@@weiranliu1058 haha but you are right Shaomai is similar to Xiaolongbao. English is tricky, I wouldnt know what to call Shaomai to be honest. It's not just in Dimsum, it can be found elsewhere too.

Shumai is a classic yum cha dish in China. I think most Chinese would know it... But that's beside the point, it's not exactly the defacto Chinese dumpling.

I live in Macau, Southern China and shumai is very popular here, I would say it's definitely a staple food in Cantonese dim sum

Shaomai is a classic Cantonese dish and would be considered a mainstay of "southern" Chinese cuisine...it's quite shocking that you don't know of it after living in southern China for 11 years.

I'm not sure why you would be upset. Japanese have their own version of dumplings just like Koreans do. No one is saying they originated from Japan.

@@dariosanchez7699 There are many comments plastered all over this comment section explaining exactly why that’s not correct.

Those are both types of dumplings. Dumpling is a very broad category of food, like curry. In the US, Southern dumplings are VERY different than what you’d get in an Asian country, but they’re still dumplings.

Yes, both of which are classified as dumplings. "Dumpling" is a pretty ambiguous term that's used for a ton of stuff as long as it consists of dough around a filling. It's like saying "In a video called barbecue vs barbecue you made no 'barbecue'. This was Pulled Pork vs Brisket."

I agree with you. The English world Dumpling is such a catch all word. And for anyone to say “it’s just the same,” then we should call anything between two pieces of bread a burger. Not a sandwich, or hotdog, or poboy, or sub, or panini, or hoagie. Just call it all a burger. 🙄

Yes. As a Chinese person, I’m very proud to see more Chinese food popping up in my recommended section.

Well said. I’m a little disappointed tbh

Very solid points and information with the exception that it's not appropriation. He isn't trying to claim anything as part of his own culture, he's just wrong about the cultures and regional food that he's presenting

“Cultural appropriation”😂😂😂stfu

Maybe not cultural appropriation but definitely just incorrect information and I get the sense that Josh just feels he's above researching for his videos. Which has come to bite him it seems.

@@NigelGrab yeah a quick Google search would have provided some information to prevent this. Plus, with his platform, you’d think he’d be able to ask some Chinese and Japanese people around him to make sure he’s paying the respect the culture and food deserves.

Gyoza are Japanese. The origin is from China. Yes, they are similar to many different parts of Asia like Taiwan or Mainland China. Shaomai 燒賣 is really tricky. Honestly, we don't really have a proper word for the category it is in. Remember that Dimsum is 點心 which basically means "snacks". Xiaolongbao (小籠包）is part of the same style of food and it is often referred to as dumplings. I think for the purposes of categorization in English, it's fine to say dumplings. I'm sure you know but in China the categories of dumplings are vast, for example there is 餃子，水餃，鍋貼

@@dariosanchez7699 you’re correct that there is no proper word in the English language that can cover the unique qualities of cuisines. Maybe we can all just learn the proper terms. The over-arching term “dumplings” completely encompasses many different foods in one stroke, as you very well know. We don’t call all tostadas and chalupas as tacos. There’s a difference and we should give that Mexican culture the respect it deserves. Much like the term “curry” is so broad that South Asian chefs and food bloggers also report disliking the term because it just completely erases the unique defining qualities of their dishes. It deserves respect as food is a huge part of culture. If we wanted to be accurate with “dumpling vs dumpling” than Gyoza vs Guotie would have been a much better comparison. Dario Sanchez, I’m speaking as a Chinese Taiwanese person, and this video was a miss for me - as with many others in the comments section. Maybe not for you. Like I said in my original comment…Joshua usually seems to give cultural foods the respect it deserves, but it didn’t seem like that to me this time. I’m a big fan of his and have been watching since before he was widely popular, but a quick Google search could have probably remedied this .

@@Michylooloo I definitely get your point but I don't think it is something to be too concerned about personally. I noticed a lot of people from Taiwan really would not care about this movie title, actually on the contrary they seem to be unsure on how to even categorize 燒賣, instead it's really a specific style of food and that's basically it. Since you are from Taiwan you probably know that 燒賣 is easily purchased in night markets and is usually a night market type of food. It's good to have respect for food items but at the end of the day sometimes it's really hard for us to really say. Here take a look at this post of Chinese debating what are considered dumplings. I want to put the link but it might seem sketchy, so let me copy paste the intro paragraph: 燒賣等於餃子嗎? 剛剛看一個日本卡通 裡面的內容描述日本與中國的餃子對決 讓我產生疑問的是用日本人用燒賣對決中國人的餃子是怎樣? 燒賣等於餃子嗎? Seeing the comments was interesting, basically it's the conversation many of us are having here in RU-vid. Anyhow thanks for your lengthy response have an awesome day.

Who cares

@@sethvoss1910 Going by this chat, an awful lot of people. Joshua should just stick to angmoh food, he clearly knows nothing about Asian cuisine.

@@fearghalbarry7866 ohh okay you're a racist then?

Yeah, I'm sure he'll take that in consideration. Don't have a more accurate title, just don't even touch the subject that you clearly have a passion for. Pffff​@@fearghalbarry7866

What exactly did he get wrong?

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yeah he missed with this one. I think research should involve talking to an actual Japanese or Chinese person first...

Gyoza is Japanese though. The origin is Chinese, just like how Japanese curry has its origins from central Asia. No one ever claimed the Japanese invented curry or invented dumplings. Cantonese Dimsum is considered Chinese food. And Shaomai can be found in parts of China and Taiwan as well.

yeah they're a cantonese dimsum thing... When I think of chinese dumplings i think of jiaozi

Shao mai/Shumai is not the same as dumplings. no one in China would consider it “dumplings.” it’s an entirely different dish that almost only exclusively appears in Dim Sum.

@@patricezhao3493 Nah man you can definitely order this type of food in Shanghai easily and Taiwan. But I agree with you this food is mostly seen in Canton and HK.

Yeah, they are "derived" from it, but they are not identical. Everyone in the comment section here including you have brain worms.

Finally someone talking about something OTHER then how he compared the dumplings lol

yas pierogi plz!

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But shumai is not dumplings! Don't be stupid. No one is even calling it dumpling. Gyoza is technically chinese dumpling. Even japanese would call it chinese food. They would go to chinese restaurant to eat ramen and gyoza. Dim sum is dim sum.

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@@MissRedheadRapunzel it makes it more tender and helps bind the meat together better.

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Gyoza is better regardless.

@@童緯強 I like it more, but that's subjective. Chinese potstickers and gyoza are very simular

@@2ACruel I know, I like the longer shape of the Jp version, as opposed to the more round Cn Jiaozi and Guotie.

Nah this is a comparison between Cantonese shumai and Chinese dumplings, Japan had nothing to do with creating jiaozi

Even Xiaolongbao isn't a "dumpling" by its Chinese name. Its English name "soup dumpling" is a misnomer because that's the closest they can describe it to English-speaking Americans. As the name suggests, Xiaolongbao is a bao (Chinese bun).

Xiaolongbao is steamed soup buns. not the same as dumplings, either.

But the thing is, there’s no such thing as “Japanese dumplings”… That would be like saying potstickers are American because of their English name. Gyoza are Chinese jiaozi (aka dumplings) made in Japan.

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Most of these comments are from second generation individuals. I have to say they seem to be the ones most insulted but lack the broader understanding. A few Chinese people have shared more in depth, and I see almost no one who is Japanese sharing their perspective.