China and Russia will never have the same good weapon systems like America, France or Great-Britain and the number one on this planet will always be the Nato! Long live democracy and freedom!
PL15E - the "E" stands for Export version with limited range and features. This is a common practice due to national security interest. Just like the F15 export based, without certain advanced radar or missiles. I wonder if there is such a country that sells their most advance version of weaponry to the public.
@@yayayayya4731 It doesnt work like that. The downgrades usually come in electronics, eccm, seeker performance etc. The motor can't be replaced due to CG and no one is going to develop a new one just for export and re-certify a new missile.
@@Kolobochok95 makes sense, but sensors can effect effective range, for eg, if a sensor is power hungry, the batteries in the missile won't last that long
I love how Russia sold China there new jets and made the engine’s bad on purpose knowing the Chinese would copy them and the funny thing China got angry and said “we will build our own” look how that turned out😂😂
@@McPlowed No.. ski launch does definitely reduce the overall take off weight and thus payload a lot, but the chinese engines are so terrible that they limit far beyond the norm
Bruh, the PL-15E is the export version which has a STATED range of 150km whereas the PL-15 has a stated range of 200-300km and the picture shown states that its the range of PL-15E.
The more Anglo Saxon sounding the better is their usual crap. Destroying Russian and Chinese fanboys on RU-vid is almost a daily part of my relaxation after work ;)
@@GM-fh5jp I love it when Russian trolls especially love to say : "I am an American, but I think our government is evil and Vlad Pootin is a great leader" Hahahahahahaha
Amraam 120 D and meteor are superior in all aspects to r 77 and pl 15 from electronics to rocket engines ... simple china Without taiwan and russia Without ukraine dont have working engines and electronics.. kkkk its funny ...
All medium range missiles look similar, as there are literally only about 2 different configurations they can be in: Lift fins in the middle and steering fins in the back or lift fins in the back and steering fins in the front. From follows function. The only outlier has been the R-77, which has grid fins instead of regular fins, but the newer K-77 version replaces the grid fins with conventional fins, so they all look the same again.
The reason Russia and Chinese missles look like the Sidewinder is because during the Taiwan straight incident in the 50's when the ccp attacked Taiwan the U.S. secretly provided Taiwan with the very first model of the Sidewinder, during one of the air battles a Sidewinder struck a ccp jet fighter getting stuck, the missle didn't explode, the ccp and the U.S.S.R. now had the best A2A to copy
I know it all sounds funny, but never under estimate your enemy!! Because most of their weapons might be junk ? But I know the probably copied some of Russia , or American, or Indian weapons that work great!So let’s not get to happy over something on RU-vid!
If the Chinese believed there was a possible ‘silver bullet’ against carriers they would not be building them. Same as stealth. If they had cracked stealth, they would not be designing stealth fighters
Anyone with common sense knew it didn't have the range. First the missiles for any nation just dont have the size for that much fuel and rocket/thruster size. The US makes the longest range most accurate missiles, and they are no where close to that, yet China some how doubled what the future AIM 260 could do... Not gonna happen to those with common sense.
@Apsoy Pike Really? "An F-15C Eagle fighter jet destroyed a target drone last month in what the U.S. Air Force describes as “the longest known air-to-air missile shot to date.” Exactly how far away the fighter was from its target when it fired the radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAAM missile has not been disclosed, but the test is a clear signal that the Air Force is making very long-range aerial engagements a priority." "We have also received information pointing to two very long-range AIM-54 Phoenix shots dating from the 1970s. One apparently involved a target drone downed at just over 126 miles after the missile was launched from an F-14A Tomcat. The other, reportedly achieved during a training exercise in Iran, in January 1979, saw an AIM-54 hit a target drone at a range of 132 miles."
@@ThatCarGuy There are many missiles with longer range that AIM-120, a fact proven and supported by experts in USA, the longest kill in tests are not relevant, it was a US test and USA have not access to test results in UK, Sweden, China or Russia, it was longest for YOU.
I'd seen a lot of pakistanis (political sons of chinese) who claimed their pl 15 could take down indian rafale equipped with mbda meteor 😂 I never gave them a reply for that crap
Price of raffel is 120 million dollars while price of jf17 block 3 is around 33 million dollars. You can out 7 jf17 block 3 equipped with aesa radar and pl17 against 2 raffels in same price. 7 jf17 with pl15,s will roast away 2 raffales 😆😆😆😆😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅 thats why indian army buyed 2000 4 million t90 instead of super shamta 8 million desi arjun
Even Bvr missiles are effective upto 40 kilometers. Above it they becomes very less effective. Even longest bvr kill of fighter jet uptil now is at 45 kilometers. Raffel have edge against pl12 , r77 and amraam 120C beacuse meteor outranges them by 50 kilometers but against pl15 raffel have comes atlest 70 to 80 kilometers to make metoer effective at this 70 range pl15 with 145 km range too becomes highly effectivev
You spend more money beacuse you donot have any other choice. your desi HAL is highly incompitent. Price of f16 block 52 that paf operates is around 85 million dollars but now becomes inferior to jf17 block 3 due to inferior pesa radar and inferior medium range bvr
You have to remember there are so many variables when quoting missile ranges. At high altitudes the missile has very little air resistance and so theoretically can go further but has lower manoeuvrability. At low altitudes the air is thicker and thus range is reduced while manoeuvrability is better. It also depends on whether you are chasing a target or in a head on pass. Finally a missile needs enough kinetic energy left at the the end of its run in order to hit a manoeuvring target.
missiles don't "hit" their target, the explode within a proximity of them, damaging the airframe and flight characteristics with shrapnel, concussion wave, and disruption of airflow over lift surfaces.
Kinetic energy of the launch platform is also vital so Eurofighter can launch Meteor from 50 - 65000 feet at Mach 1.5 and that gives 30% extra range from a lower height.
I remember years back China was buying more Sukoi's and thought they must be having trouble making their own engines, and here we are years later and nothing has changed....
Those days are done. China has proven to make good engines. They have come very far in a very short amount of time. Making good turbines is a highly complex and arduous task. Designing the blades and manufacturing them is in and of itself a rocket science per say.
@SayreHarder no. just about every new fighter china builds now uses a domestically designed WS10 variant for it's engine. Any purchases from Russia are just for getting on Putin's good side.
It is 2022. Even J10C has AESA radar, meanwhile the best russian flanker su35 still using a pity PESA radar. Take ur time to do a little research on Chinese breakthrough on Jet engines in recent years. Stop remembering some old outdated info.
That's really not an outrageous claim. Most APFSDS can penetrate around 800-1000mm of rolled steel at one km of range, and 600-800mm is pretty standard at 2km as well. The 125mm ZPT-98 tank gun has a slightly higher muzzle and a larger caliber than the Rhienmetall RH-120 120mm tank gun, though slightly slower than the Russian 2A82-1M tank gun
@@aigaion4315 Define most, because the only figure that can have that is either against NERA array or other non steel armor. RH 120 L/55 cant even do 1000mm penetration to RHA let alone chinese copy of soviet cannon. This is why russia made the 152mm gun and the west is currently developing 140mm gun because the APFSDS has reached its limit potential on the gun aka max length for the gun
Meteor is not the best air to air missile in the world, the AIM120 is. The meteors main issue is it's ram jet engine, meaning it can't be fired from lower altitudes, as the engine literally doesnt work at low altitudes do to it's engine type. There specs are almost similar otherwise, but since the AIM can be fired at any altitude it is overall better. This is why the future AIM 260 still isn't a ram/scram jet.
I would like to add that the Meteor is much less maneuverable at close ranges. The AIM-120 can and has been used in close combat as recently as 2018 when it shot down a Syrian Su-22 at close range . The MBDA meteor could not have done that. Meteor has more maximum range performance that most rocket powered missiles but at close range it is almost completely useless, so a British F-35 carrying it would need to carry only 2 Meteors with two short range missiles while an American F-35 can carry 4 AIM-120Ds internally.
@@aigaion4315 I agree with you, on paper their ranges are similar, but in real life scenarios the AIM 120 has the longest range kill to date. They didn't release the number, but their previous longest range shot was 132 miles, so it was longer then that. Could be by only 1 mile, could be by 20 miles, sadly we don't know, and I understand why. "An F-15C Eagle fighter jet destroyed a target drone last month in what the U.S. Air Force describes as “the longest known air-to-air missile shot to date.” Exactly how far away the fighter was from its target when it fired the radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAAM missile has not been disclosed, but the test is a clear signal that the Air Force is making very long-range aerial engagements a priority." "We have also received information pointing to two very long-range AIM-54 Phoenix shots dating from the 1970s. One apparently involved a target drone downed at just over 126 miles after the missile was launched from an F-14A Tomcat. The other, reportedly achieved during a training exercise in Iran, in January 1979, saw an AIM-54 hit a target drone at a range of 132 miles."
Meteor can be fired at any altitude - like any missile, more altitude = more range. It uses a very specific type of RAM jet called a throttleable ducted rocket motor with an integrated booster. The booster gets the Meteor to supersonic speed at which time the RAM jet throttles the amount of supersonic air to either stretch the range or go for maximum speed. In longer range scenarios, this means the no-escape zone is much higher than the AIM-120C/D because it has more kinetic energy to use against a manoeuvring target.
@@aigaion4315 The Meteor uses new skid-to-turn algorithms to keep the airflow into the duct stable - this would seem to be a disadvantage but it can still provide at least 60G turns with much higher kinetic energy than AIM-120, generally. In some scenarios, the AIM-120 might be able to out-turn the Meteor, but in other scenarios the Meteor will have more energy to execute multiple turns. Nothing is black and white!
@@zachUK Jesus liking your comment as soon as you post it :/ Ram/scram jets do not function at low altitudes do to thicker atmosphere. They can literally self destruct. The booster just gets the ramjet up to speed as it makes 0 thrust on it's own. You still need higher attitude for it to function. You then go on to speak about the AIM120 NEZ when it's classified an not listed anywhere... And could be better or worse, neither of us know and can not be used.
I dont think anyone seriously claimed the PL15 had a 400km range. Maybe that 6m long experimental super missile that was spotted a few years back did. but no further information on that weapon has surfaced since.
This guys entire video is American propaganda, I have no affiliation with CCP but I have read nowhere where the range of the pl-15 was 400km the max stated range for the pl-15 is 200-300km and 145 km for the pl-15-E "Export" version. He's getting the pl-15 mixed up with the ramjet pl-21
Missile Range is dependent on your altitude and speed and depending on what you are trying to hit. For example to kill a jet with high agility the range is much lower as the missile needs more energy to be able to kill it. For transport aircraft and airliners the range is much higher as you need very little energy left in the missile to score a kill. This is why you see missile ranges change all the time depending on who you ask.
The stupid thing is that if you lie and tell your adversaries that you have 250mile range they will just build missiles with even longer range than that 🤣
China also said their qbz95 rifle has the same MOA as the M16A4 but civilian qbz95's are a lot less accurate than that. China also said that their copy of the Russian Smerch has better stats than the Smerch despite being identical.
I have only one issue with it, it only has up to a 12 mile range. Let's say for example 2 jets are flying towards each other at between Mach 1.5 and Mach 2. Then let's say both aircraft are using anti-air missiles that are pretty close to the python capabilities which travels at Mach 4. That would be a total speed of Mach 6 closing in on the target, which means you're only going to be in range of the other aircraft for a couple seconds what's you're going to have to choose between trying to intercept the incoming missile or shoot at them I just hope that your onboard computer and tracker can calculate the numbers in time. August shooting at other aircraft when it be too difficult because it's probably traveling under my to, but if they fire a missile at you going Mach 4 and you got to wait until it's in 12 miles to intercept it, you better be a avionics wizard. It just seems like to me at least they would be cutting it really close. I agree it was a great air-to-air missile back when most people's air-to-air missiles traveled Mach 0.82- Mach 2. All the major powers are either pursuing Hypersonic now, and the ones who haven't succeeded in hypersonic have succeeded with missiles similar speed to the python either between mach3 to mach4. I just feel they need to upgrade the range on it. At least 20 miles to be safe.
The Python 5 is a (very capable) short range IR-missile, more alike to the AIM-9X, ASRAAM or the IRIS-T. It isn't comparable to the medium to long range missiles discussed in this video.
Perfect example the US AIM-120D capable of the same speed as the python mach4 and can travel up to 86 miles. In the name 260 once it finishes it's done which is to really close to being completed, just a few more minor Kinks to work out. Will reach speeds of at least Mach 5 and are supposed to have double the range is the aim-120d
It's inferior to AIM-120D, which has essentially become an export model for NATO air-to-air missiles at this point. Even Canada has had them for a while. Meteor, AIM-260 JATM, and eventually the UK/Japanese JNAAM, are the new gold standards for NATO/allied AAMs. Those are the missiles PL-15 needs to be better than. And before we go mentioning PL-21 that's a different kind of missile like Russian R-37, designed for attacking AWACS and bombers, not fighters. It's closest NATO equivalent is Meteor, but Meteor is agile enough for use against fighters as well, and it's real competitor is the US Long Range Engagement Weapon.
"Isn't meant for engaging fighter jets" It is meant to engage fighter jets. It obviously isn't anywhere near as maneuverable as smaller missiles but it still forces planes to go defensive.
Sigh. Meteor is not powered by a ramjet, but by a ducted (air-breathing), variable flow, solid fuel rocket. As well as a fundamentally more efficient motor it also carries significantly more fuel (about 25%) than AMRAAM - hence its heavier mass (190 vs 150 kg). Genuine range figures are highly classified, of course, but it must outrange AIM-120D by a very wide margin. The no escape zone is described as "several times larger" than competing weapons. In line with UK policy MBDA (UK) is normally very coy about performance claims, in contrast to just about everyone else! Your point about J-15 is simply silly: of course it cannot launch from Liaoning with a heavy load. But that's not because it's "under powered" (which it isn't) but because NO conventional fighter can do so from a STOBAR carrier, as India will find if they fly Super Hornets or Rafales from Vikramaditya or Vikrant.
Usually max range is listed for targets at the same altitude and when fired at a certain speed. AWACS and tankers are usually easier to hit since they are nonmaneuvering targets. Most likely this range is against tactical aircraft, as China has the PL-21 to use against those larger threats. People have confused the PL-21 and PL-15 for a while but they are different missiles.
Long range mach4+ missiles don't do well with low altitude targets at range. They lose tons of speed due to drag at low altitudes, as they usually climb up to 50k+ ft, accelerate, and make a speedy dive toward the target. The deeper into the atmosphere they must dive, the more range they lose and the slower they are when they reach the target. When dodging long range fox-3's, you usually notch them (turn sideways) and dive down low, then take evasive action in the last few seconds. Being down low gives a plane a maneuvering advantage whereas being high leaves the missile with the advantage.
@@questioneverything4633 Fun story: I knew an F-104 Starfighter pilot and he said they would train against the F-15. While the F-104 was retied several years before the F-15 was adopted, it was retained in a training role to simulate the Soviet Su-15. The newer more agile F-15 could easily outturn the F-104 in pretty much every scenario and was nearly as fast. The F-104 pilots came up with a trick though. In the hot deserts of the Southwest, lots of turbulence would develop at low levels. The figured out at low level the F-104 was not nearly as susceptible to turbulence as the F-15 due to it's much smaller wing area. The F-15 was nearly uncontrollable at supersonic speeds at low level while the F-104 was still relatively stable! There was a serious caveat in that it only worked in the daytime in hot weather, but he said it turned out to be a surprisingly effective strategy to dive down when encountering the F-15. He said they doubted the USSR ever figured out that strategy with their Su-15s since they don't normally train in hot climates like we did.
sure they will. if the "father" already was more limited than admited so will the "son". and by the way, maximum range is not the same as the necessary effective range.
NOOOO!! PL-15E is an export variant of PL-15 AAM. The range was reduced to protect the so called national security, and to prevent reverse engineering.
That's the PL15E the PL15ELR has a range of 400 miles and then there is the PL15E-EX-LR that is totally automatic and even fires itself if an enemy plane comes within range.
Actually they carry the missile in a relay race, like 4x100 metres relay in the Olympics, 4 JF17's will exchange the missiles after 145 kms and the last air craft will fire the missile at the target. So the total range is 4x145kms, that is 580 kms. You Americans and Indians don't understand Chinese technology
Basic knowledge of physics and energy density yields of various liquid and solid fuels, which don't differ all that much, is an easy way to tell if you're being punked by BS.
Wow that's almost as good as the 338lb AIM-120D from The 1990, wrapped up in a small little 1500 lb package. And Mach 4. Maybe some day it will match the AIM-54s 190Km range at mach 5 and 1040lbs. They are mixing up the PL-15 and PL-21 specs.
@@Buddy_Friendyour analogy is like comparing a tank to its shell, the tank might not be good but the shell is, the tigers were notorious for mechanical failures, the AIM 120 would’ve been replaced by now if it was know for failing, because unlike Germany we don’t have shortages of supplies and skilled workers
@@Buddy_Friend Superior tank to what?? The US never at any time fought tiger 2s in numbers with anything besides light weight airdropped tanks. A M26 Has a M3 90mm gun that could easily destroy a Tiger 2s 180mm main plate at 500 yards, and with a good hit could even destroy it all the way out to 1,500 yards, and had a top speed of 30mph. The Tiger 2 has a 88mm gun and 25mph top speed. And the M26 won every single engagement against the tiger 2 and destroyed it in a true one-on-one. The M26 would win because of mobility, due to the fact each tank was more than capable of annihilating the other one at really long range. The problem was the US could not get heavy tanks on German soil easily. So they air dropped a bunch of lightweight tanks. That is a complete false equivalence.
@@Buddy_Friend The US knew they could not get M26 there in large numbers. So they sent lightweight tanks and used stationary anti-tank guns. And if you actually look at the war the US tanks were not losing, it was actually nearly one to one but the tiger 2 tanks where a lot more expensive, than the light weight air drop tanks the US was fighting them with. Fighter jets are different J-20s are not even going to take on an F-16. A group of 100 F-16s would annihilate a group of 100 J-20s. J20s are long range 4th gen stealth interceptors they are attempting to sneak past the US defenses and shoot down transports and refuelers. And they are banking on not engaging other fighters. In all seriousness China's main air to air threat is the J-10 with 110Km rang PL-12 missiles. And now China is trying to make up a bunch of propaganda because the US made new missiles that has them really scared. The US has advanced their solid rocket technically recently. They replaced the AIM-120 with the peregrine missile. And the peregrine missile is 150 lb 6ft long and has a 160km range. And a F-35 now carry 8 of these along with two 14-ft slots for Cruse missiles. And they have AIM-260s that are about the same size as a AIM-120 only with a 400km range.
Maximum range is less important for AAMs than no-escape-range, where escaping the missile is aerodynamically impossible. But the two are usually proportional.
The missile in this video is the export version only. The range was well established many years ago . As far as the the one the PLA actually will use against us is open to debate.
No dummies......Sigh. The PL-15 E (E stands for EXPORT, basically a MONKEY MODEL like the Soviet/Russia designations) is a DOWNGRADED version of the missile for INTERNATIONAL CUSTOMERS.
Did this channel miss the fact that it's a PL-15E an export variant of the missile. Also the J-15 does not use WS-10 engines it uses AL-31 the same engines as the SU-33. That being said both J-15 and SU-33 suffer range and payload reductions when launching from the bow launch positions because the carriers they operate from where originally meant to use V/STOL aircraft (YAK-41). Honestly this is one of the most fanboyish video's I've ever seen but whatever helps you sleep at night.
Export version. Who is stupid enough to sell its most price missiles that may be used against itself. As an engineer myself, I always have a better version built to circumvent IP restriction.
If I'm not mistaken....PL-15E is the version for export market and differs from the versions used by Chinese "In Zhuhai air show 2021,China presented an export variant of PL-15 named PL-15E with a maximum range of 145km".....sooo,don't see the point of this video unless chinese would go bonkers and deliberately used inferior missile for their air force.
@@BOYASTIGDCS who says someone will buy a missile with shorter range than enemy? Who is the enemy exactly? a stationary object in the sky without RWR/with huge RCS,who will not bleed the kinetic energy of the rocket by maneuvering? Because that is the reference target of EVERY stated max range of all the rockets on this planet. It's not like a game you play. Video games are your world BOY. Reality and laws of physics are different beasts.
@@BOYASTIGDCS we don't know what version will Pakistan get/buy/develop. Second of all WE don't know Meteor effective range for a fighter size target. It's classified(as it is for ALL missiles on this planet). As well as for PL-15E. Air War over Serbia. AMRAAMs with stated range of over 80kms would effectively shot down Mig's only within 35km envelope. It's not black and white brochure simplicity like you think. OH THEY STATED LONGER RANGE IN THE METEOR BROCHURE SO IT MUST BE BETTER IN DOGFIGHTS. For example I'm more interested in max Gs it can pull in terminal stage(data that is most important in medium range BVR missiles),resistance to jamming,sweep of radar installed in the missile etc etc.
So funny, a Chinese media outlet refers to the Chinese built carrier aircraft as a ''flopping fish'' due to it being underpowered. I think an editor is about to disappear into a re-education camp.
Yo Defense Update dude .....could you pause for a couple of minutes, take out the Merican flag that's stuck up your behind, making you quite biased and realize that this is the PL-15E. Do you see the "E" after the PL-15E. It means export, which usually means it is crippled........do you believe that they will sell their export version to match what they actually use for their own military...What's going to stop Merica from buying one of these and reverse engineering it...Cmon,' man grow a brain!
What’s the difference between chaff and flares because I always thought they were the same thing but apparently SkyWarriors thinks there’s something different
Remember the range of that missile doesn't include the fact that it has to hit its target. A missile like that will have lost so much of its energy at that range it could only hit subsonic aircraft and big targets at that, but we'll wait and see the specs for ourselves because everybody know Chinese and Russian propaganda tools have been used in the past and have been incorrect correlations to what their missiles can do.
There's this saying that...you can fool someone sometime but you can't fool everyone all the time. If China said that it's missiles are capable at long range, so be it! All the best there
Don't be stupid., just the same way we lie about our military capabilities., the Chinese do the same thing. So don't be fooled and think those Air to Air missiles are not a threat.
Well, we all know how good the Chinese forces are at putting down civilian unrest. I don't want it to happen but I do wonder how they would work against grown-ups.
Exactly. For all the training they've supposedly done, never once has the PLA army or navy experienced organised, determined, and well equipped resistance....... I'd be curious to see how all the conscript crews might react one the sh*t really started to fly.... I wonder how many will begin to question what they've been pushed into?? Will they hold it together when they never signed up for it in the first place, and their heart isn't in it? Some elements of the non state controlled Chinese press have touched on this subject in recent times, stating that there is much corruption in the ranks of the PLA navy. It is allegedly possible to buy a higher rank if you have the means. Not perhaps the best mix, is it? Corrupt "Officers" commanding men whom don't really want to be there..... All the ingredients of a mutiny I'd say......
A J-15 that is too underpowered to take off with a significant payload currently will still be underpowered during combat maneuvers, especially when facing opponents equipped with aircraft with supercruise capability. Doesn't matter if it has assistance from a catapult.
The more important things are the aircraft radar that provides the initial guidance n subsequent datalink course corrections n the missile’s own radar. U have to fit the range to those capabilities
I would not be surprised if it did not have a 145km range but half of that and the electronics of that missile is unreliable. The Chinese quality speaks for itself and there is a lot of bribery in PLA so I believe that those technical difficulties of the missile were "solved" by bribery.
