Because the after a hundred years or so the system of teaching gets more relaxed. And less students are inclined to learn. Keeping kids engaged in a society that promotes creativity over education becomes a tuff challenge.
In UK, your social status is very much determined when you were born. If you are born in an average work family, normally you will go thru normal schools, hang out with friends that are also from the same social class and are not inclined to study that hard to move up the social ladder. In Singapore, meritocracy is valued and every student is given an equal chance to go to the best schools if you work hard enough.
In the Netherlands, you pass when your average is 55% or over that. My school had a final test passing percentage of 95 percent. If that's the case, your school is considered among the best in the country. Even though the passing grade isn't strict and you are able to choose your subjects (e.g. you can drop chemistry and choose history), youths in my country are complaining about "having too much to do for exams".
joesr31 ya lah but I'm comparing on these students' level. They are technically Sec 1/Sec 2, by content, so their Low scores would be considered quite shameful.
I am not Chinese, but I have studied there for 6 years (1999-2006). I found the "Chinese School" in this video is too soft. You have no idea how much pressure student in Chinese school get.
thats not the school, its the culture, the culture not to lose out, thats the pressure which cannot be duplicated in a britain school in such short time frame
Well I was talking especially about British unis. And as far as I'm concerned for high schools the criteria can also vary from school to school, from region to region, and from course to course. :)
As a teacher myself, I can testify that this is not surprising at all. It's usually the biggest troublemakers who turn out to have the softest emotional underbelly. To this day, I receive more enthusiastic visits from former troublemakers than I do from those who were well-behaved and excelled academically.
what i was taught in math after migrating to the us from china was what i learned in 2nd grade. i didn't learn anything new until 9th grade because it took them 6 years to teach something that china taught in two years....
Okay this is honestly really surprising but sadly true- im from the philippines and i have a friend who moved to canada after 8th grade and pretty much all they were learning was p much already covered in like the 4th grade lmao So she was relearning decimals and fractions in the 9th while we went on to quadratic functions-- its really weird
You need to calm the hell down. Disciplining a teenager that is being disrespectful by hitting them with a cane is different to hitting a helpless child. If the cane was an option in schools, students wouldn't even have to get hit with it to behave better, it could act as a deterrent. I said maybe bring back the cane anyway, I wasn't even being serious. I dont care if children are hit in school or not but students do need to become a lot more respectful to their teachers. You need to learn some manners, you little cussy mouth.
I believe that if the students on the Chinese side had been a bit more respectful and obedient from the beginning instead of being intentionally rebellious, they could have scored even higher on all three exams with higher scores, although the Chinese side did beat the british side on all three exams.
Yes, I agree. But that would have involved every student reinventing themselves just overnight to please a teacher of which they know nothing about. It would have also been a great change within the social hierarchy in the class in general. Kids are nice on an individual basis to teachers. But in a group, if not contained, will drive the teacher crazy. I've seen it happen countless times. Kids are evil...
Things would have gone better had the teachers been allowed to use the Chinese Teaching Stick. It cheaply and quickly transforms a rebellious troublemaker into a student eager to learn.
Huh really? Uh...well, that’s not very good. Photosynthesis is one of the first things u learn in science and they’re 13 so Secondary 1. I’m just going to assume they’re learning the chemical equation.
Nah in any country there will be a school that is filled with mischievous kids and rebellious students. Far worse than the ones in the "TV" Anyway as a Singaporean, I would like to comment on the "superior" Chinese education system. Although the Singapore education system might not be as hectic as Chinese ones, I would like to think they are similar and would have a few comments. To get it out of the way I was in a top 100 secondary school in Singapore and that might have played a factor. In Singapore, students are too stressed and studying is too linear. That's really all. You will have to learn questions, memorise answers and furthermore, a crap tonne of them. Even the free writing in language compositions and history case studies, there's a sample "skeleton" of the answer and students will follow the guidelines accordingly from what they have memorised. That defeats the idea of having a student display "creative" writing and develop their own thinking making students feel like robots. It was only after my secondary school years, with the help of the internet, did i develop a more broad thinking towards the world and life in general. Additionally, Singaporean students have too many things on their plate. Waking up at 6 every morning, going through 8 subjects (I took 8 in secondary school and i believe people must take a minimum of 6) and a regular school day ending at 3. Sometimes with Co-Circular activities, it would end at 6-7 depending on the one you take. If you add in homework, the amount of stress you go through on a weekly basis is immense. If you are lucky you can finish the homework in school, if not get ready to die at home. Lastly, Singapore after PSLE somehow feels like you have entered a caste system. In Singapore, after you leave primary school, you will be divided into 3 streams. Express, Normal Acad and Normal Tech. Express gives you 4 years of secondary school, Normal Acad 5 years and Normal tech 4 years (but with a lesser qualification certificate). So it feels you have had your path set right after you took the leaving exam. And i know that some people on higher streams feel superior to those in lower streams and those in better schools feel superior to those who are is worse schools. All in all, the teachings of the east will bring in paper results, but you need to question. Is paper results the best way to gauge a student?
Mannou Hana I'm not even that sure because I study in one of the top 5 or 6 school in Singapore but I think that there is definitely a few classes that behave worse than that
I see a lot of comments saying learning a lot at school will make kids stop thinking. Learning a lot does not mean losing individual thinking. Instead, learning should help thinking more! You have to know more to think more. If you know nothing, what can you think?
I mean ironically enough if you don’t know something, then the way you might learn it all by your self may be completely new and be revolutionary, compared to just learning the “normal way” but I get what your trying to say
assuming the UK's class bell curve system was used to evaluate the marking scheme, a 67 is actually 'above average', unless you'd still cop it with parents if you don't get A's (which is a rare case scenario)?
Kids need to form a great studying habit , a solid foundation and keep discipline when they are at young age. And the education should focus on creativity and personality development when they grow up.Because the first step away and you will never back to the right way. Before our values become stable, we need to be disciplined, otherwise, it is easy to get into the wrong way.
Actually studies have shown that out of class studying does not improve your chances of learning the information. If you can't learn it in class what is the point of teaching yourself at home. Finland is the best example of this. They have the best test scores and they never receive any homework. And discipline can only go so far. Many jobs in America are actually moving away from the old school style of business. Sitting at a desk for hours on end lowers productivity and increases stress levels . And because of this many students that have only been taught old school business model, after college have a hard time dealing with the unpredictability of the working world.
Shannon Hensley Lower productivity in America is just because they are lazy, most of the homeless people also have great stress levels without sitting at a desk.China is developing so fast in recent years, which can also proved that although some parts of our education is not that perfect, our education system is still better.
us public school (middle school and first year in high school) teachs very little compared to schools in china. way back, china taught physics in the second year in the middle school, chemistry started in the third year in the middle school. the courses continued until kids finished high school. no science as a whole.
Xing Gao, the problem here is that wealth changes the menatily of people. Back in the 19th century, white children studied 16 hours a day, and had another 2-4 hours of homework every day. They also had school on Saturday and half the day on Sunday. If they misbehaved, they were beaten with canes. This is how education worked in countries like England and Germany up to WW2. This extreme work ethic, combined with a thrifty character(living on bread and beans and saving every penny possible) is how white people became so rich. But white people now are lazy and just living off the wealth left to them by their grandparents and great-grandparents. They don't study or work hard because they don't have to. Asians ask why is it that white people are so rich if they don't study and work very hard. The answer is: inherited money. But the problem with inherited money is that it runs out. White people now are the spoiled entitled brat that inherited a fortune from his daddy and doesn't need to woirk. But the money eventually runs out.
But they only applied this method in a short period of time. imagine if they continue to do this throughout the school year. there would be a massive difference
Very entertaining. Hope to watch the whole series. I grew up in a Chinese-like education system, and critical thinking actually had to be taught as a class. Guess there is no one size fits all, and as a society we have to reconsider why our benchmarks keep shifting between student centric learning and performing on global academic tests.
overall its the society's that determine the fate of their nation, I would not judge it because both are great civilizations that has reach the pinnacle at their hay day....
My school in HK has shown the success of Chinese in maths. Our first 2 IGCSE cohorts had an average of 91.5% Grade 7-9 in Maths, and 96% Grade 7-9 in Physics. And just now, we got 100% A grades in Pure Mathematics P2 (IAL).
i live in england and my school is nothing like the school shown here, anything under 80 percent is unacceptable. The rules are enforced and respect and disicipline is expected.
OK now, write "discipline" 100 times, tidy-up your punctuation and explain in a 200 word essay the importance of capitalising some words and the pertinent rules!
The purpose of attending any type of learning class is to learn, to learn effectively you must have discipline, one disruptive person can spoil things for the remainder of the students, this is unfair and I think that after 1 or 2 years of education students should be streamed in those who wish to learn and those that do not and they should be taught separately with periodic reviews to see who would benefit from changing streams.
Yes, I am hoping to have it to be extended further. If we look into this video itself and the Chinese teacher stated it as well that such teaching method "kills" imagination and critical thinking and of which also entails no questioning to the authority. If the objective of no questioning is to score better, listen well and absorb prescribed input, then no questioning is required. However, this comes to the point as well on the purpose of questioning in the classroom. What "is" questioning and how they are modelled. Are they being modelled as "challenging" the authority or are they being modelled as "negotiating" with authority. This is truly an interesting and important aspect to look into.
Students know they can get away with everything--they're stupid, but not that stupid that they don't quickly learn that. So, the students knowing that, what do you expect?
its ironic how the western world is stating that they r all about creativity and uniqueness, and then they make kids do standardized tests... if u do standardized tests then u have to implement standardized teaching...
I think the best education is the one to help students better meet the needs of society and labor market, that means there exists no "best" approach on a worldwide level. It can only be discussed on a state basis or even within smaller range.
Well, in this globalized world. I think society and labor markets are getting pretty similar, no? I mean, I have traveled the world. It's basically all the same. In fact, it has been for years. That said, trying to tailor make education for the whole world would be a disaster for there would then be a standardised model and that model would become the accepted norm and therefore no room for improvement. But, I hear what you say...
I'm Chinese and not all UK schools are alike that. Broad differences between the UK nations. UK students are mostly very polite and the schools are mostly well funded with creative subjects. There are high standards.
@@invisibletraveller944 yes and no, we may seem more rude when we speak mainly because I think we may be a bit more blunt / straightforward with our words
I still can remember one night when I was checking my grade for a course, and I got C. Then I lost sleep...In addition, when I got 62 in mandarin in the second year of primary school, My father threatened me to stop my eduction and kept me at home for 3 days, I was terrified.
When I went to school those grades would have been fails. But, then again I proofread my step-daughter's papers for college and I could not believe that she was getting A's and B's on them as my Junior High teachers would have handed them back and said "do it again". The standards have fallen so far that it is no wonder these kids can't get decent jobs with a degree.
i still remember when i was in the mid-school. i have to wakeup at about 6:00 AM, school start at 7:30, study hard a whole day, last class end at 5:00 pm, when i get home its about 6:00 pm, and i still have to do 2 hours homework.... and sleep at 9:00 pm image to do this everyday .
Discipline and respect is what's lacking in western education. Perhaps a short stint of military style cadet training in the curriculum may do the trick.
Don't be fooled. I teach in China and believe me, the Chinese education system is not as great as you think. I know this from experience and from actual conversations with Chinese students.
Respect towards authority is more important than education. Without it there is no respect for anything a person learns from anyone else, living or dead.
I believe the Chinese system is superior to the British system at a young age. However, the independence and self reliance that the British system emphasizes on it's students is superior in the long term. If you're taught to regurgitate facts and never question them, then you will do very well in the tests at the lower levels of school. But once in you're in uni and you have to be more independent, you can't have a teacher spouting the facts at you, you must be independent and learn yourself and figure out things for yourself.
If you didn't form a great studying habit and a solid foundation at a young age, how could you have independence and self reliance when you grow up? The first step away and you will never return to the right way
Kiyamlol What do you mean rotten independence? Independence is a crucial part of being an adult, and school isn't only for you to recite stuff from a book, it is for you to grow and develop as a person. You can't develop as a person without independence.
You people think that China’s system is the only system that kills imagination and creativity? I live in the U.S. where in a very diverse area. 60% white, 20% asian, 20% Black, Latino, and others. They teach us the exact same thing for every student depending on what class you take. There is no such thing as expanding your creativity. There is only one thing- succeeding or failing based on exam scores from what you learn in school and what you’ve studied. Everyone learns the exact same thing, or you’re self taught based on your curriculum.
Is the British grading system different from the U.S.? A 50% here would be a failing average grade... I know it's different in Canada but what about the U.K.?
Tina Spence it depends from subject to subject and on the qualification. In England (I can't speak for Scotland/Ireland etc) we have GCSEs, BTECs and other qualifications that all have different grading systems. We also have different exam tiers to help people get qualifications based on ability - (at GCSE) higher tier where you can get any grade at all including A* and foundation where the test content is much easier but the highest grade you can get is a C. This is important as in the UK you need 5 GCSEs at grade C inc. English and Maths so some people have more chance of gaining these at foundation level. For GCSEs, a grade C is a pass, anything below is a fail. A* is the best grade you can get. At A Level, an E is considered a pass and anything below is obviously a fail. A Levels are harder than GCSEs hence the change in pass/fail grades - it's much easier to fail at A Level and much harder to do well. Also worth noting that in the U.K., the percentages for pass/fail grades changes every year as well so it's not set in stone. A C in English Language may be 60% one year and say 55% another. An A grade may be 80% one year or 70% another. And if a pass in Eng Lang was 60% one year, let's say, it wouldn't necessarily be the same percentage to pass in Geography, for example. I'm not sure how it is elsewhere but in the U.K. our exams are standardised and external with different exam boards like AQA and OCR. We have a couple of exams for each subject. I have no idea how testing is done in the USA - or grading past getting letter grades with a plus or minus which we don't have in the UK other than an A* which is effectively an A+ - but that's a little bit on the UK... its of course being changed at the moment so I'm not sure how up to date my information will be in time to come.
adavgt I don't even know how much testing we do here but I know it can be quite excessive. I went to a private school so we didn't have to do all the government testing. Thank God.I had a teacher one year who had worked in public school for a while and she was so relieved that she could spend more time actually teaching and less time monitoring standardized tests at our school. And I'm gong to have to read that comment several more times before I can begin to understand the English grading system. Lol. The regular and honors classes in high school were all on an 8 point grading scale so 100-93 were As, 92-85 were Bs and so on. It took me a while just to get used to the 10 point grading scale in college, but the English grading system is on a whole different level haha.
Tina Spence I'm not sure how well I explained it but I tried to be clear... It's actually not very complicated once you put all the pieces together with the English system lol. But maybe us Brits don't find it a bit strange cause we've had to understand it!
well the pass mark is 4 - 6. 4 being a low c 5 being a high C or low B 6 being a high B. 7 being an A 8 being an A* 9 being an A** (only handed out to the top students) 50% - 60% = C (grade 4 or 5 depending on he subject) 70% - 80% = B (grade 5 or 6 depending on the subject) 80% - 95% = A/A* (grade 7 or 8 depending on the subject) 95+ % = A** (grade 9) (I've rounded these percentages because different subject have different grades so I just tried to find the average). Grade 5 is considered to be the 'good pass mark'. Grade 4 is like you've JUST, very just, passed. But it's not good enough to be considered a good pass.
As a student from rote memorisation education, I see it as a necessity up to a certain point. Exams should be subjected to education and not the other way round.
I remember this Chinese exchange dude in my high school. The dude barely had to study and always did his math homework 10 times quicker. That was when a light bulb went on in my head that life is not fair. However he sucked in sports, and this is how our awesome God blesses us individually with a talent.
British, Canadian, and american teaching system allows only select few who work extra and go above and beyond to be successful. The freedom in western/Europe education allows students with motivation to succeed in their own ways. Chinese system makes everyone, potential or not, at least somewhat successful (job that sustains family) by setting high base standards.
Culture greatly affects the way generations act, think, and learn. It may be why Chinese students have more pressure and are smarter. In ancient China there was always a competition on who was smarter and which son was better. This also affects how serious the modern day society takes schooling, education and etiquette. Children of asian family now days reflect on the education and discipline parents give their children. If a child does well to impress the elder people of the family, they may bring a good reputation of the family. Cousins also have a bit of a competition too which adds to the pressure. Sometimes, which child stands out more still matters to people. Majority of parents I’m China want their child to be the best in any way. (Also apart of why they take extra curricula’s)
While Chinese students succeed in school they have crippling low EQs due to the lack of cocurricular activity and social gatherings they are able to engage with. Ultimately they struggle in the workplace because they spend so much time at school they are socially stunted. Also the method of rote memorization develops little mental aptitude so when it comes to problem-solving and thinking for themselves they struggle. Exam results are not the only measure of a school system's success
I’m Chinese studying in Hong Kong, I will move to England to study, but honestly scared that my grades will go down studying there, I’m used to having very strict rules and without them, I feel like I’ll have no standards for myself
I don't know if they're representative of British children as a whole; if they are, it's a disgrace. It stands to reason that more discipline will lead to higher marks, because the teacher can concentrate on teaching rather than controlling an unruly class. I went to school in the 80s, and they seemed to have it about right. The discipline wasn't severe, but it wasn't as lax as this. Consequently we learned more. Critical thinking is for university; children need to learn the facts first.
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CGTN is funded in whole or in part by the Chinese government. propaganda to de-humanize British people and make out that the han are the best.
I am half Asian and I was disciplined from a very young age. I am an adult now and I've never felt like the aggressive type of person. Always respected people and fallowed the rules. I don't mind at all. It's natural to me.
A rigid and disciplinary education system naturally tends to raise the median and 5-percentile score. An open-ended and interactive system tends to breed higher performance at 95 percentile at the expense of much lower 5-percentile score. It doesn't matter if it is Chinese or British.
Parents are the first teachers. Most parents of foreign students apparently instill in their children to respect education and to value their teacher. On the other hand, perhaps most American parents encourage their children to respect social status, sports, and other superficialities of a society that dispenses jobs on whom you know instead of what you know.
The Asian educational system may produce high test scores, but as the Chinese teacher pointed out, 3:20 is not conducive to creativity, skepticism, innovation, discovery (the UK pop 66 m has won 129 Nobel Prizes, while China with 1.3 b has won 5, though this will certainly increase in the future).
My British Teacher me: asking question about how it works? Teacher answers: you will get it and *winked* ME : WTF is this..... i didnt pay you to wink me and says i will get it eventually.
Really a teacher is there to help. However, teaching a class of more than 15 kids is a great challenge. Keeping order in the class should be any teachers priority. Once, and I mean, once, a teacher turns his back on a class to help one individual kid, this control begins to crumble. The teacher will have learnt this in his first few terms of his/her teaching career. Out the window goes the 'I'm going to change these kids, develop them, make them admire me.' That, my friend, is how it is. Be it in a public or private school...
When I was 12 years old, my whole class got 90 and above for maths. I thought I got 80+ so I cried in class. Turns out it was marked wrongly and my actual marks were 97. Relieved that I didn't embarrasse myself. The next exam I got 100 marks.
Funny thing is when I was in school (many many years ago) maths was never my strong point. Basic maths was so complicated and yet in algebra, I would also score 100% in tests and exams. Very weird brain I have. 😄
I think the Chinese method would work well up to perhaps IGCSE but no longer in high school. High school students need to develop their initiative instead of being spoon fed by the teachers.
... I’m in high school and I just full marked my maths test making me first in the class... I take 7 extra curricula’s. The Chinese method is working for me and 90% of my asian peers.
I went through my early years of school in Hawaii back in the Forties. We live in a multicultural society, but we go to the same school and with the same teacher. Chinese and Japanese students have the best grades and Hawaiians have the worst grades. I was a little of everything, Japanese, Chinese and Hawaiian. and never made top grades, but enough to have a BSEE from Purdue, thanks to my own effort.
Let me tell you this... This is a disgraceful representation of British school.. I myself go to a school in London. The exams have so much content and are ridiculously hard for most people and there is a lot of pressure if you are a high performing student. Us students are not all as rebellious as shown in this video. In my classes we are hard working and respectful, we use most of our free time to study.
As a foreigner, I visited London not too long ago and my experience with British school kids at the Imperial War Museum was that they are loud, rude and totally disrespectful. Then again, my journey was over a decade ago, so I am hoping kids have mellowed down since.
@@Daud76 I think as a person who knows many Chinese people of my age group, they are much more disciplined than us Brits in general, I respect them for that. But the kids in this show are really really bad, not just any average British school pupils
It depends on the area supplying students to the school. The children of professional parents are better behaved and do better than the children of uneducated labourers. My wife once taught in an American School in Saudi Arabia. The kids were children of mostly expat doctors (mostly specialists) and engineers. They competed to see who did best in class, and the parents asked for more homework so their kids would do better. She says she never enjoyed teaching so much. Now she's in a mining town in Australia where some kids come into high school unable to read. The standards are rock-bottom and there are major disciplinary problems, like kids swearing at teachers--this happens daily. When they do something wrong, they're rewarded with a holiday at home.
Victoria Matthews 2 months ago (edited) In the USA, many school systems hire younger teachers from programs like America’s Choice, or Teach for America, or some other groups and develop a reciprocal partnership to get a financial, federal kick-back in funds. Why keep an experienced senior teacher making an up-graded salary when they can hire an inexperienced young teacher and pay that person much less? Also, by firing a senior teacher, they can save the system money by not paying benefits like health insurance and life insurance. Unfortunately, money is more important to them than cultivated education. So aside from 14th amendment violations practiced by some preferential principals, money is another motive for firing tenured senior teachers. If these senior teachers do not retire, or resign then, they are issued unsatisfactory evaluations, or their working environment is made uncomfortable. . . In other countries, experienced, senior teachers are greatly valued and respected for their knowledge. Perhaps that is the reason that “U.S. students’ academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries.” www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/
This British school was lousy, I went to a very strict one, the averages for the exams were a lot higher, many of my friends got 98-100% for every exam, and no talking was allowed
The only reason why the Chinese system succeeded is because it lends itself better to test taking. Honestly, exams were designed for a school system where the Chinese style of teaching is used because it wasn't just a Chinese style of teaching in the past. Prussia and Britain also used the same methods to educate kids and the exam method reflects this context. If instead the assessment were based on a more creative press like writing a paper, we may potentially see a very different outcome.
You are quite wrong. We do take literature and writing courses in Chinese. Language barriers might explain why you don't see many pieces, so called creative writings in English. It does not mean we can't write papers. In fact, I excelled at writing scientific papers with more than 20 co-author publications in English journals before I even started my PhD, way more than my peers in Canada. You don't need fancy English to produce logically sound arguments. If you are indeed referring to creative writing in a more novel art format, I bet you haven't really read any Chinese novels. FYI, I just past my PhD comprehensive exams, not just the technical parts but also the thesis writing component. Our system works period. I have to think you either don't know how we learn or you are having difficulty differentiating bad English from bad writting.
If you take any undergraduate level or graduate level courses even in Canada, you are expected to be compared to your cohort of students. We receive grades based on a bell curved distribution, if you fall short from average don't dream about getting any grades higher than B. If you want to attend grad school or med school or law school, GPA is crucial. I am not saying doing well in school defines you. Many people succeed in life not through academic, but if you choose your path, like me hoping to be in academia, you have to push hard and discipline yourself. I am not going to have any "creative" research ideas if I don't spend hours reading papers and learning what other people are working on and struggling with.
@qi Siang Ng . I found that the asian teaching method are usually targetting the examination , like all their studying are for passing or achieving high marks in exams . While the western teaching method is usually all about stimulating the student's brain and their love of learning , acquiring knowledges . That is why you see Chinese or Asian kids are more likely to play videos games and amuze themselves with high tech gadgets , rather than reading books , or learning skills , like social skills , or sports.
Exactly. Which is why UK is in the top 3 countries for the Olympics all the time. Also, it's the reason why UK is the AI capital of the world, and it's why UK has a working space program. Oh wait...
the kids in britain are taught very little discipline in my opinion so the tend to get more rebellious and it is reality tv so it might be possible that it was scripted. but in asian society we are taught not to do this not to do that. so we often have the thinking that naturally it is bad even tho it may be accepted behaviour in other western countries.
I suggest everyone reads 'THE TIGER MOTHER' free download, written by a Chinese professor from Harvard , describing how Chinese children are taught at home.
If the Finnish system is so good, WHY DON'T they make a documentary with Finnish teachers instead! I haven't yet seen any article or programme discussing in detail the Finnish method. Let us all see why and how do they teach their kids. The British seems to be really sore losers here, they just don't want to admit that the Chinese methods do yield better results for the class than their British system. The British education system is very much based on class discussion and finding out information yourselves, but many kids at that young age just aren't disciplined enough to find out the facts themselves or have accurate, meaningful discussions, hence they don't achieve the best results. Sorely lacking discipline. Some of them just look like they hate school regardless. That attitude is something they had before the Chinese teachers came in.
It's actually Western vs Asian. Western nations are like this because they have freedoms, so they don't really punish their badly behaved students. Pick any badness in any country and they'll be the losers against China. The China educational system also has its faults.
Everything is destined, including your education level and wealth. Don't bother with fancy methods like this. Live your life, enjoy it, do things with reasonable effort. Too strict and rigid system will kill creativity and incur emotional scars.
So what you're saying is don't even bother trying to help your students to do better in school. You would just rather they fail because you believe it's their destiny. Everyone should have a chance to succeed. Its just finding out which method works better.
I was referring to success in academics. While not everyone needs to succeed in school to be happy, they also don't always get to see the potential in their lives. In America we have students dropping out and joining gangs, doing drugs, and promoting violence. Theses are the students that could have been reached by the academic world. Because our american school system fails our students we loose a lot of jobs to people from other countries. And our collective work ethic has dropped significantly. Why give up on students when you could help them reach an understanding that they can do anything if they try hard enough.
You comments and logic give me a sense that your educational system also failing you. - The majority of the work force are not related to inventing or involved in creativity. - A good education correlated to a better paying job and low unemployment rate, hence live a better lives and enjoy more. - A few example drop-out individual who are "lucky" enough to become multi-millionaires or billionaires does not override the fact that majority of low educated individuals fails to become millionaires. Education is the foundation to which an individual have a higher chance of success. - Rogue learning is the first step of acquiring basic knowledge in order to build a solid foundation for further creativity, strong work ethics, and more efficiency in inventing stuffs.
@Shannon Hensley: Not all drop-outs end up joining gangs. Look at Bill Gates. Academic success is not the solution to your social problem and violence.
This is a horrible experiment. I bet that the difference is mostly attributed to the fact that the Chinese class got more disciplined and paid more attention to teachers. If the same discipline were applied in the non-Chinese class, I'd bet that the non-Chinese teaching methods would be able to get more ideas through to students. This is speaking from experiencing having learned in Chinese, American, and Japanese methods.
Zeng Ruochen Michael not necessarily. American private schools are also highly disciplined however the teaching methods are different (emphasis on exploration and interpretation vs memorization). For example, one can memorize the fact that negative times negative is positive; or better yet one can learn *why* that is the case and try to interpret it with real life examples what it even means to multiply and what it means to have negative numbers. It would be more interesting to perform this experiment on an already successful western class to look for marginal gains (if any). For example, if a successful western class is scoring 95% with western methods and the Chinese method brings the score to 99% then that shows that the Chinese method indeed has an impact. But then the real question is whether that 4% is worth the extra stress in the students. That's up to parents to decide.
Thinking Chinese education as memory-based is misleading. Considering the high percentage of Chinese students enrolled in the PhD programs in STEM in globally top universities, Chinese students actually demonstrated high capability of doing innovative research. Moreover, check the STEM Olympics results. You cannot win if you can only rely on your memory.
The fact is that there are smart people all over the world. Those Chinese students that enrolled and succeeded in PhD programs would have been successful regardless of the education system as long as it isn't shit. It's pointless to include outliers when evaluating an education systems. That being said, the Chinese system *is* memorization based on my personal experience (remember in grade 1 and you're forced to repeat over and over and over the 1-9 times table w/o even knowing what multiplication even means?). I will bet that the majority of Chinese high school students cannot *interpret* what it means to multiple a negative number with another negative number.
羊义 if you want to be doctor or lawyer or anything corporate yes. you have to accept the fact that even you want to be an artist, and dreaming to go to art school, you have to get good grades. World is pain, I know but that's just how life works 🌈
Maybe they don’t have as much drive to work hard and study? The teachers in my school always have to remind students to take a break and not pull all-nighters from studying too much 😅
What the question failed to ask here of course is, are Chinese families and upbringing more conducive to rigorous education? Case in point; in the United States, Asians, and especially students of Chinese ethnicity, consistently score higher than other races and cultures, despite undergoing the exact same educational process. Thus, Chinese upbringing (eg. the Tiger Mom), in and of itself, may be a critical component in making Chinese students more receptive to learning via rigid systems like those utilized in Asian countries.
