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Chisel sharpening for the rest of us (simple jig) 

pocket83²
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If you like to look at your chisels instead of use them, this isn't the technique for you. Go watch one of the popular videos, instead. There you will see a real* craftsman tell you about safety as he stands in front of his display of sharp tools. I use mine to make sh--stuff. I don't need to compensate for my weakness, and my weirdness is already invested elsewhere. As for my condescension, at least that's overt instead of feigned; I'll simply tell you that you're stupid, rather than pretend like we're friends as I continue to talk down to you. As you might've guessed, I had to remove some footage from this one. There's a certain type that just plucks my string, and its characteristic frequency is a vacuous proselytizing. Wait, that metaphor's all wrong. That would mean that I'm the one sounding off. Forget it. You know what I meant. Go sharpen something. You'll learn nothing from me. I ain't no bona-fide. Just a nobody chump, don't know sh--sharp when I see it. Tell ya this, though: learned to sharpen on a belt sander from my Dad, and there isn't a RU-vidr alive that could pound a nail like he could. Carried a 32 oz Vaughan for half a century, and the waffle was worn off before I was born. So please don't tell me about expertise; as soon as you start yer jabberin, I know yours is of the hypothetical sort. You know, that theory versus practice thing.
*old and/or overweight.

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@FloweringElbow
@FloweringElbow Год назад
Stupid CNC-based sharpening aside, I do something very similar. When I first got my own chisels and started woodworking, I went down the wetstone path. Then I realised I actually liked using sharp chisels, not sharpening them! Nice little jig. Reminds me I'm overdue a sharpening session. Thanks for the motivation ;)
@mattjohnston2
@mattjohnston2 Год назад
There's something deeply satisfying about sharpening your own tools. Regardless of the method!
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
AFTER it's done, maybe. For me, sharpening a chisel on a stone is like trying to start a fire with two sticks.
@d.k.1394
@d.k.1394 Год назад
Lol
@johnmusgrave3179
@johnmusgrave3179 2 месяца назад
The guy you are trying to think of is Herrick Kimball. He uses 1.5" of width belt on a 3" sander.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 4 года назад
*[Uploaded on Mar 24, 2020, planned for release on April 3]* Meh. Yesterday (Mar 29), a certain popular RU-vidr posted a sort of high-end chisel sharpening jig, and so I see it in poor taste to post this publicly. It has a bit of a contradictory message, and I already have a strained relationship with the guy. See, he's someone I've always respected, but now he's on this libertarian/anti-taxxer kick, so we've become pretty annoyed with each other. The non-aggression principle is cute, but it's just a pipe dream for Randian utopia-seekers. Ultimately, production is not just the positive aspect of a monetary gain made by one player, but it is also a reduction caused to net available resources on any closed economic system--like, for example, Earth. He gave me a pretty healthy insult by telling me that it's apparent I don't understand simple economics, and that my ignorance has caused me to become inadvertently evil. Yes--he actually told me that he was on the side of "good." The rebuttals were shallow, dismissive, and laced with only the most superficial understanding of the topic. Gosh, that hurts. (actual) Ignorance is painfully opaque on one side. Even a smart guy can only see down the complexity chain, and not up. Nuance that is as of yet unknown to him remains invisible. The complex is so often avoided, or supplanted by the simple, and there is a necessary opportunity cost. A small level will work for leveling small things, but the tool will project its inaccuracy when applied to larger jobs. Arguments suffer a similar fate through truncation. I did quite a bit of political/economic theory in school; so much so, that I will _still_ consider even the most whack ideas with a fair sense of the hypothetical. But cherry-picked libertarianism is generally a sign of the incoherent fringe; only the most delicate models show any philosophical consistency, and those are far too abstruse to be implemented in any real-world, working economic system. Simple-as-that theory, like "taxation is theft," or any other reduction of thought to a talking point, is, as with any certainty, the leverage of the idiot. Strange, how I try as hard as I can to steel-man in cases like this, and I try to imagine myself as being misinformed, and I try to find out _how_ I am so, to the best of my ability--and I still end up getting insulted for the effort. Well, I'm not going to attack back publicly. I still respect the guy too much, even if I have no respect for his ill-informed arguments. Let's just call it a professional courtesy, and I'll file this one away as another unlisted vid. Don't name-drop: you'll get an instant ban for it. Please don't tell me that I need to stop caring what other people think. You aren't me, so you aren't evaluating my decisions through the same considerations. That's another way to say that I don't care what you think. Let me know what you think. Also, the tone here seems too combative for the culture right now. Best to keep it as a private discussion. Besides, now that I've finished whining, I'm no longer in the mood to listen to the whining of others!
@therook6139
@therook6139 4 года назад
Thanks as always for the great content and good reads. You have a dedicated following for both channels and yet always find space for your opinions and not to inflict your own way of thinking on others. I imagine having a potential outlet such as this and then not using it is all the more frustrating but all the more respectable. This Michigander raises one to you and appreciates the digressions, philosophy, and theory. Enjoy your pile of wet mice :D
@king_storm4323
@king_storm4323 4 года назад
I personally enjoyed this more than the “other guys” video..
@drportland8823
@drportland8823 4 года назад
Selfishness doesn't work well as a guiding societal principle.
@corncobjohnsonreal
@corncobjohnsonreal Год назад
How skookum is this guy?
@riba2233
@riba2233 Год назад
it is very sad when someone strays in that direction, you just cross them out and that is it sadly
@fishindude72
@fishindude72 Год назад
Great example of how we overthink and over-complicate things sometimes. Sometimes good enough is good enough. Thanks for sharing
@ReverendDr.Thomas
@ReverendDr.Thomas Год назад
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉 Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@d.k.1394
@d.k.1394 Год назад
Lol
@demastust.2277
@demastust.2277 Год назад
I'll stick to my 2 sided oilstone and strop, but that's a very cool demonstration you gave on how to sharpen chisels. I prefer to do all free hand with out a guide or jig and I am usually left with good sharp tool.
@laurencetayloruk
@laurencetayloruk 3 месяца назад
Thanks you've saved me a lot of money 😁 I had a feeling japanese water stones and tomaks were a bit over the top. We work on site and the state of our chisels ranges from "a few notches but cuts ok" to "that's the one we lent to the groundworkers"
@onlythejeffness
@onlythejeffness Год назад
I used the "scary sharp"/sand paper method for a while when I was first starting out. I used a granite tile for my flat surface. In my experience, I've found that the back side is more flat than the show side on just about every tile I examined.
@JWBails
@JWBails Год назад
You lied about the like/dislike buttons being disabled, I'm going to click the thumbs up TWICE as hard.
@ironhead65
@ironhead65 Год назад
Great! I’ve been using jeans to strop for a long time. Works very well.
@king_storm4323
@king_storm4323 4 года назад
Extremely useful, thanks pocket!
@whitag01
@whitag01 Год назад
I'd like to see a video of you and your dad sitting by the fire in your shop, chatting about chisels, walnuts and whatever else comes to mind while you spend time together. I hope you at least captured that for yourself.
@Tinker001
@Tinker001 Год назад
I'd expect that his memory of the visit is well embedded.
@skonky
@skonky Год назад
reupload? or a patreon video becoming public? comments from 2 years ago but published 10 minutes ago?
@Laborejo
@Laborejo Год назад
Time travel
@corncobjohnsonreal
@corncobjohnsonreal Год назад
It's a creepypasta
@skonky
@skonky Год назад
@@corncobjohnsonreal lol
@alec1575
@alec1575 4 года назад
Great video I'm definitely testing this out
@MaxMakerChannel
@MaxMakerChannel Год назад
I grind them reasonably well on a bemch grinder, then sharpen only the last mm on the tip on a fine stone. That saves the stone since this cuts groves into it.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
Here's the practical problem with using the grinder: wheel expense. The quality of affordable grinder wheels has plummeted over the last twenty years to downright abysmal, and so now my wheel becomes grooved within ten minutes following a dressing. Chisel edges are picky. Had I an extra few hundred dollars, I might dedicate a grinder with a wide, flat wheel to the cause. As it is though, my grinder gets used for way too many other things. Perspective: _chisels are cheap, and chisel-quality grinders are expensive;_ since the former is the end and the latter only a means, it becomes rational to instead just buy more chisels. AARRGH!!
@Erated78
@Erated78 Год назад
Great video and great idea - I don’t own a belt sander so I have to resort to using a sharpening stone and eyeball the correct angle - not ideal. I presume I could also use the sandpaper granite set up you’ve shown along with elbow grease. Interesting to see the actual walnut treating wood. Thanks and cheers
@ReverendDr.Thomas
@ReverendDr.Thomas Год назад
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉 Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@Makwaa
@Makwaa Год назад
Thanks for the video and the good read.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
You got it. Thanks for stopping by.
@tommysedin
@tommysedin Год назад
Here here! As an impatient hobby "woodworker", these things are exactly my style.
@iamanty
@iamanty Год назад
10/10
@sourisnathan3747
@sourisnathan3747 4 года назад
Thanks for the video was very informative will probably try later on Don't know who that guy you disagree with is but I hope you'll eventually make it public on your channel I'm sure it'll get more traction (and make it easier for me find).
@timothyvanderschultzen9640
@timothyvanderschultzen9640 Год назад
I liked the video
@Wordsnwood
@Wordsnwood Год назад
clicked Like even before watching.... 😉
@hurdygurdyguy1
@hurdygurdyguy1 5 месяцев назад
Hey!! My sackfull of wet mice is just fine, thank you very much!!!
@Bjornarp
@Bjornarp Год назад
i like the meditative motion of sharpening with stones. but i might just make one of theese to hog away lots of material if i have a chip or when restoring old chisels. nice video! and about the haters. dont bother with them. As long as you get sharp tools isnt that the point? 😅😅🤷‍♂🤷‍♂
@johnnyk3131
@johnnyk3131 Год назад
Thanks - I've noticed that I do enjoy how-to videos of ideas for getting things done without resorting to buying something new - a quality you would notice in someone who had lived through the great depression. Or certainly in folks from former Soviet lands - that's some of my favorite youtube viewing as they create something useful out of nearly nothing, with nary a Harbor Freight or Home Depot in sight. Yankee thrift is a term that may be on it's way to becoming anachronistic. Richard Feynman titled a book (in another context) "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out" - too many ignore the joy inherent in solving your own problems. As for naysayer commenters (and vexatious folks in general), I always think of Max Ehrmann's 'Desiderata' in which he cautioned the reader to: "Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit." But just before that line he also said "Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story." And oh, man, check out Robert Murray Smith's channel - taking a break from posting neat experiments nearly daily, he actually addressed naysayer commenters in an insightful way: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Hi50RH8gCIM.html
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
Thank you for a lovely comment. Let me respond to the concept of "Yankee thrift." I'll assume we can both agree that the old idea of 'American exceptionalism' was more than a tad presumptuous. There's no superiority in our genes, so far as I can tell. That said, the early days here _were_ spent being more culturally alone than has been experienced by perhaps any other large-scale colonization in history. Of course, Easter Isle has its silent story, and so do many others. Plenty of peoples moved, changed, and lived, with terminus. But the New World expansion was different, because it was downright incredible in its extent, and it was taken to a further degree by running parallel to a rapid industrial/technological growth; what remains unknown about the period dwarfs what's in the official books. Ocean on one side, natural expanse on the other, and here we Englishmen were, stuck in-between. We were destined to develop a culture idealizing self-reliance. Fast-forward to today. Comfort abounds. Technology now provides endless distraction & entertainment. Affluence has squelched the modern American's need for resourcefulness. Invention, having no underlying necessity, stagnates, or, at least, has been relegated to improving the novelty sector, leaving real, old-school American Pragmatism hanging in the shed to rust. Self-reliance has become conflated with financial success, now manifest in the pervasive Libertarian ideal, commonly understood as greed. Selfish consumption has become the over-correction of our old need to prepare for isolation. And so, there are two minds with which I consider "the dull and the ignorant." Part of me sees them with pity. This is because I can see the frustration they suffer as part of that awful condition of simply not knowing; and since this same condition affects me in different areas, I can empathize with their struggle. But the other part of me sees "their story" as much more boring, because as it relates to the advancement of my own understanding in a particular area, it becomes tedious to revisit my old growing pains. In short, I live my life by the maxim, _necessity is the mother of invention._ To this thought I am devoted-so much so that I intentionally deprive myself on occasion in order to preserve resourceful fuel. Such is considered a laughable, pitiable extremism here. Indeed, I see myself as off. Acting on the compulsion helps nothing. It affects little positive change. In my frivolous pursuit of preserving economy, I instead waste endlessly my own thought, which could be better spent in some other 'productive' goal. But as long as my own goal is to keep ahold of and value resourcefulness itself, my regard for fellow Americans is restrained. While I see that others here still have both the capacity and desire for inventiveness, I can no longer see in them any need to develop it. I'm forced to admit that you're right; the idea is now entirely anachronistic. At this point, only a deprivation could restore us, since that was what once propelled us in the first place. For the moment, it's gone.
@johnnyk3131
@johnnyk3131 Год назад
@@pocket83squared Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I was lucky enough to have been raised in the deprivations of the 70's (inflation) and 80's (recession) as well as to have as mentors guys who just got it done. I honed (!) manual skills even when not strictly necessary as a hedge against the return of those eras - and for fun, too. Thanks to great teachers on RU-vid, I've been able to pick up more useful skills. Right now every time I fix an appliance or small engine (seems like weekly) I crow to my wife about saving $250 (repair) or $1,000 (replace). It's nice to help others with skills too - my neighbor couldn't get his snowblower started just before a storm last week and I fixed it in his driveway in 30 minutes. "How do you know how to do this?" is something I hear too often. I was able to early retire and I guess my goal is to become like one of those classic English eccentrics, puttering and tinkering and futzing and not giving a hoot about what others think. But still with good hygiene. You've inspired me to do some more reading in this area - I'd heard about Shop Class as Soulcraft a while ago and figured I should finally read it. I am guessing you studied more than a bit of philosophy so please don't knock me for not going straight back to Plato. Life's a one way trip so far as I know, make it a good one.
@d.k.1394
@d.k.1394 Год назад
10 out of 10 for trying
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
I have the same reaction to these pointless, half-literate comments of yours.
@d.k.1394
@d.k.1394 Год назад
@@pocket83squared your comment saddens me
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
​@@d.k.1394 Well then, I'd suggest you stop making unconstructive comments. After three decades of sharpening chisels with a belt-sander, I can safely say that it works. Not as well as would an $880 Tormek, admittedly, but if you own one of those, you're probably not a carpenter. Tell me, what do you cut with these precision-sharpened chisels of yours? Pound 'em into a knot-strewn, multiple-pass circular-saw notch through a piece of treated lumber, no doubt? Drop it in the mud and then jam it back into the toolbag, where it can rattle around all day against some galvanized nails? _Think_ before you type. Consider context before you critique.
@homunkoloss6782
@homunkoloss6782 Год назад
interesting reading the comments. Its a nice time capsule :)
@d.k.1394
@d.k.1394 Год назад
Lol a sacrificial chisel guide...what next!
@d.k.1394
@d.k.1394 Год назад
What next!
@crazycodplayer11
@crazycodplayer11 4 года назад
I remember in one of your older videos you talked on the practicality of chisel sharpening and decided it didn't make much sense when you could pop down to harbor freight and buy a new set for cheap. Being part of the chisel sharpening faction myself I'm wondering what changed your mind.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 4 года назад
That question was posed in irony. I've been sharpening my chisels since I was a kid. er, not that I did it very well, hehe. It was a point about how it would be rational in our society, given the high costs of labor-time. $6 for three, or an hour to sharpen them? That's a nice wage.
@Tinker001
@Tinker001 Год назад
@@pocket83squared I have a bunch of cheap chisel sets. One in the car in case I need it on a job site. One in the toolbag I grab when going out to work in the sugarbush. A couple sets in the shop to loan out or to abuse brutally. OTOH... My favourite chisels are all substantially shorter than they were when I either bought them or inherited them from even older & more experienced owners. These ones may not be the sharpest at any particular time. But they do get regular touch ups as needed because working with dull tools is just dumb.
@edide1627
@edide1627 Год назад
@@Tinker001 What is this sorcery? The comment from Jack and pocket's reply is from 2 years ago but the video was uploaded 2 weeks ago, just like your reply.
@sethbracken
@sethbracken Год назад
Classic Pocket.
@SeraphimKnight
@SeraphimKnight Год назад
Don't know if you were being sarcastic here but there is such a thing as walnut oil used to finish wood! It's usually for food-safe applications.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
At the time, I had assumed as much. I just thought it was neat that one can use nothing but nutmeat to get such a nice finish! Without looking anything up, I'm guessing that a black walnut-meat finish will be among those most resistant to decay. The wood and some of its associated compounds act like a preservative. [See video on old walnut pallet skid]: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JE5DbVVTW7c.html That said, I'd probably avoid using its oil for food contact surfaces for precisely this reason (and for potential allergies); black walnuts are just one of those delicious-but-harsh things to be used sparingly, like cayennes or whiskey.
@wgamertvwgtv9068
@wgamertvwgtv9068 Год назад
19, from Alabama. I always appreciate your videos. They're always interesting, and informing. Always find myself coming back for more. Also, F--K these peoples opinions, man. Keep it up!
@Mobile-ct1yf
@Mobile-ct1yf 8 месяцев назад
Erm, shouldn't you be using a narrower belt that is only cutting the blade and not the woodwork as well
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 8 месяцев назад
If you want to, sure. But that'll add more steps to the operation. The idea is to not put-off chisel sharpening. If you're hasty enough with a project, you'll use a screwdriver as a chisel. The point here is to make it so easy that a quick sharpen isn't discouraging at all.
@paulhanley5811
@paulhanley5811 Год назад
the proof is not in the pudding . the proof of the pudding is in the eating , , great jig for sharpening must knock one up , looks fool proof ,
@d.k.1394
@d.k.1394 Год назад
Try a tormek
@therook6139
@therook6139 4 года назад
Ha! Wet mice
@carbonstar9091
@carbonstar9091 Год назад
So I'm not the only one that strops on my jeans.
@devilsatan666man
@devilsatan666man 4 года назад
Pocket, I'm curious, where do you stand on this political spectrum, if anywhere? I'm curious as to the events that have lead to your thought process behind your understandings. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I just come from a place of curiosity and lack of understanding. Like you had mentioned in one of your previous comments here "A society's first duty ought to be the health and safety of the citizens that comprise its body." I think this is an interesting belief. Maybe you can shed some light on why you believe this to be true? Perhaps it's based on firsthand or maybe tertiary experience. I may be interjecting some of my own thoughts into this, but it seems like you enjoy the conversation. You clearly have the understanding and the bandwidth to carry a conversation. I'd just like to collect the information of your thought process and understanding. Fantastic video as always!
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 4 года назад
Thanks. Sure, I enjoy a quality conversation. That's why I'm here. Where am I on the political spectrum? The big categories to choose from are not appropriate to me. I go where the evidence suggests. You would have to ask me a specific question to find where I am on that particular. Partisan tribes are for mindless followers. How I arrived at that 'ought' claim is a tough one. To distill it, let's just consider what health and safety are: they are qualitative aspects of _life._ This is to say, a society that values quality life _ought_ to value health and safety. Seems that once you establish yourself as alive and managing to hold that position, other concerns should be somewhat subordinate, considering that when you're dead they won't matter that much. In the U.S., we unambiguously support safety in the form of governmental spending on defense. In contrast, it seems a gem of disproportion that we allow a for-profit market to sort out health matters for us. And now that this strange fact has been hosed off by the virus, all of the private companies whining for more gov't money sure do make sparkling examples. I don't like hypocrisy. "Small business" is not what it used to mean. And further, I can't stand to see market advocates renege when things take a down-turn. You can't have it both ways; you can't argue for a system of unmitigated risk and then look for a gov't skirt to hide under as soon as there's a screech from the economy's locked wheels. Sorry if that sounded crabby. I'm tired, and I usually try to respond to smart questions in the morning. I'm not sure if what I just said was consistent ;)
@Xaqaria
@Xaqaria Год назад
Corner stripe? Comment 😜
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
100% FREE! Reply 🥨
@Xaqaria
@Xaqaria Год назад
@@pocket83squared Informercial level amazement!
@Xaqaria
@Xaqaria Год назад
Quick follow up witty retort
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
@@Xaqaria Patronizing reply
@Xaqaria
@Xaqaria Год назад
@@pocket83squared Humble apologetic restatement and sincere appreciation.
@vferdman
@vferdman Год назад
You claim to bot care about time to properly sharpen the chisel, yet you spend a lot of time to make a jig that is available in a better form for $12. No, you don't use it on a belt sander. You hand sharpen it on a diamond stone. It really takes a few minutes to set the proper edge on a new (cheap and crappy from the factory) chisel, but after that I almost never actually sharpen chisels, I mostly just strop them before use. The ones I chop nails with, of course I can sharpen on my bench grinder without any jigs using my eye.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
Some guys out there right now are using a dull chisel with cold fingers that have infected splinters in them; this video was for them, not you. Tell me, have you been a framing carpenter? Have you worked on-site and been far away from any shop and its diamond sharpening equipment? There are cases of under-the-hood carpentry working out there that don't use the silly spit-polish of the RU-vid 'woodworker' paradigm. For those who frequently have to choose between belt-sanding a chisel and using a dull one, making this jig becomes a no-brainer.
@demonstructie
@demonstructie Год назад
Yeah I'll just stick to a bench grinder and whetstone thank you very much.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
And what's the point of your comment, really, to be smug? Consider context; if you were a framer, would you be keeping a grinder and whetstone on-site? Yeah, no, so you'd either dress it up with a belt-sander or be stuck using a dangerous chisel-thank _you_ very much.
@demonstructie
@demonstructie Год назад
@@pocket83squared The point of my comment is that this method involves more effort and yields an inferior result. Which, considerin the context that _you're not a framer,_ means that you might as well do it the proper way.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
​@@demonstructie This is one of those rare cases that shouldn't be elevated by a "proper" response. Excuse the dirty trick of veiled condescension here as I reply, admittedly with some disgust, with a THANKS FOR WATCHING! 👍👍
@TimothyHall13
@TimothyHall13 4 года назад
Crap. Lost several paragraphs of a thoughtful response... Oh well. To summarize: if we think of effecting change at the margin instead of lambasting whole systems of thought... How will the world change because of Covid19? I think less reliance on global markets would mean a robustness to deal with catastrophe.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 4 года назад
Oh, man. I hate when that happens. That last sentence alone was packed full of thought. Of course, raising meat rabbits would also add to a robustness against catastrophe. And we--that is, all of us-- _are_ marginal. It's arrogance to believe otherwise. Take the President for example: arguably the most significant personality in the world atm, and he's *impotent* wrt changing the minds of over one-half of the population by even a degree. This is not because he is stupid (which he is); this is because both sides of our ideological dichotomy are comprised of unchanging adherents. The virus won't change anything, either. It's a minor footnote from the biological/historical perspective. It's not even a surprise to those of us who've studied ecology with any legitimacy. Our overall graph won't even show a blip. A really HEAVY estimate gives you less than a 0.0004% probability of lethality. Compare that to the Black Death around Newton's time. Our contemporary coverage is mostly sensational pathos, which is necessarily beholden to a culture of self-preoccupation. Not that the bug shouldn't be taken seriously, mind you. It's just that, well, systems of thought are immovable objects which are comprised of smaller pieces. Walls are taken down by pieces at a time. We're constrained to affect changes at our local level, and if a tendency becomes a meme well enough to sustain, only then can it be viewed as a pattern, or as an emergent property. Clarity is a _post hoc_ image. Back to that last sentence tho. I would need a day or two to digest that, but my gut response is to agree. However, just because I agree doesn't mean that I would endorse the policy. It may be no longer possible (in terms of economic viability) to abstain from joining a world market. For example, locally we have a religious sect that wishes to remain separate from the rest of society, yet they continue to use public properties, services, and fixtures. Their 'separation' is something to eye-roll at, especially when I have to shovel horse dumps off of the road in front of my house. A market uses niches, just like an ecology; where there is a displacement, there is then a space, and spaces tend to fill. How long do we swim upstream? Man, I don't know. Good question. Gotta let go at some point, but survival requires tenacity. But then I think, _There is no separate. We live on a ball._ Hmm. Let me be honest. The virus isn't much of a threat rationally, but I'm still staying home as much as possible cuz I think there's an ethical responsibility to do so. I mean, not like it's hard. I let go of my ethics when it seems silly for me to keep holding on. I cling longer than most. Sure, I'm inconsistent. But that's the human condition; some of us still shit on the road for now, but we're slowly getting better.
@TimothyHall13
@TimothyHall13 4 года назад
I have a tendency to look for change at the margin, not wholesale re-imaging of our current system. So marginally, I believe we need to move towards more self reliance instead of increasing global participation. The reason for this is that their systems and ours are generally incompatible. I am looking to EU and it's pending collapse. To add a little detail to my last sentence that you called packed with thought: Over time raise the requirement for corporations to maintain complete domestic manufacturing of imported goods at a certain level. Regarding the President: it has always pained me that he has little ability to truly articulate an economic conservative position because he does not understand the principles. At the same time he seems capable of using people and personalities around him well enough during this pandemic, yet now the media has decided to not give that much coverage. Media has certainly taken to touting one perspective to the detriment of truth seeking. Noam Chomsky's manufacturing consent applies here except that the Media seems ideologically bent on only supporting what generates outrage instead of the government in charge. I have had some exposure to the horse manure people myself. I thought they were supposed to have manure catchers attached? I am sure their efficacy could be improved. That's a distraction from your main point there... But hey free will and our system guarantees their right to participate as much as they will. I wonder how much they contribute as a people to the tax base. I presume less than average since they mostly barter among themselves. I find you response to what the virus will change completely disheartening. If indeed it has such little effect overall why allow it to have such a far reaching economic impact? I think we were headed to bad places before all of this pandemic spending and propping. Now it's likely we don't come out of this easily at all. One thing is for sure: I want to see statistically representative IGM/IGG testing done so we can get a much better picture of the true impact. Thanks for your thoughts!
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 4 года назад
Of course. I appreciate the conversation. Are you looking for a silver lining in that last paragraph? We _can't_ expect a positive change from an event like this. Maybe it only hastens the inevitable, but this is certainly not just a wakeup call that will cause us to reform policy. Instead, it's just a divisive war-cry that's made a bunch of greedy hands start to clamor for gov't handouts. None of it will be paid for, and it's being leveraged against an already strained budget that can't even make the payments on its underwater mortgage. This _will_ change the overall quality of life here. The wasteful spending behind us does not go away. We've been slowly crashing into this iceberg for the better part of a century. I do not expect a new, more forward-thinking policy to emerge from the ashes here. Once we're again in smooth waters, we'll start back up with the same negligent patterns, with no more concern paid to future states. In the President's defense, he did run on the traditional side of fiscal conservatism, in spite of the fact that its party has become a fringe-mutant of a past belief system. His recent (brief, almost Freudian slip) hesitation to give a blank check to healthcare, inc. was entirely consistent, since big health and pharma are _supposed_ to be privatized. You can't have health care both ways; it's either for profit or it isn't. He was correct to complain against private companies that have those "insatiable" appetites for gov't funds. Of course, the Left ate this up as insensitivity like piranhas have passion for a cubed salami. Not that I don't identify with gov't healthcare, either. A society's first duty _ought_ to be the health and safety of the citizens that comprise its body. After they have that, let them sell each other snake oil. The market still works best: it's just that ethical concerns necessitate we leash the little beast when it comes too near our health. And right now, this is as close as it gets. Big brother will give it all the sustenance it can choke down, with bipartisan support. And then, once the supply is cut off, how will those companies expect comparable numbers in the quarters that follow? That's right: rate hikes. Bite your pencil. Oh, regarding mass media: don't expect it to provide anything other than what it is providing. That's what it does. It's not evil, fake, broken, or conspiratorial; it's functioning as it should. Commentary is just eclipsing news, because of the competitive drive for clicks: but make no mistake, journalism is still there in those dry corners of news media where you'll probably get too bored to stay for very long. Blaming "the media" for our silly preoccupation with partisanship is like complaining that _The Price Is Right_ has too many flashy lightbulbs, or that Jerry Springer has too much adultery. Niches, remember? Wasn't that in this conversation? Cant remember. I'm going on for too long. Sorry. Have nice weekend ;)
@michaelgorman6214
@michaelgorman6214 Год назад
Consistent with Paul Sellers. 220 is effective. What does 30,000 really get you?
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