Hello @outdoorbros, some great tires in your selection but you are missing some other ones that I've been using with great success. 1. Rene Herse (28 Chinook Pass Extralight) - Made by Panaracer 2. Challenge Strada BIANCA 300 3. ULTRADYNAMICO Cava Race 33c
Totally agree. I tried tubeless GP 5000s, but then went back to regular clinchers and TPU tubes. As you say, the ride is excellent, and punctures are rare and relatively easy to deal with.
I found that tyres sub 32c just end up with tubeless issues, over that size the pressures are lower and things are good, under that size latex tubes ftw.
Conti GP 5000 clinchers with latex tubes. Carry a TPU tube as a spare. The best combination I've tried - including tubulars. Fast, feels supple, long-lasting and I rarely get any flats. It's simple and hassle-free (no sealant to deal with). Over a 2 or 3-year span, there have been a handful of teammates either not making the Saturday group ride or had to turn around because of tubeless mechanical issues. I feel bad for the guys with hookless rims...
Since I started riding GP 5000s on my road bike, I forgot what a puncture actually is. Just incredible. Not in the market for any alternative. It just works.
Last month, i replaced my 28mm gp5000 STR to 26mm sworks turbo rapidair t2/t5 and I noticed immediately the comfort and grippiness from Sworks. I also felt that its faster than gp5000, maybe because due to its weight and grippiness. The only downside is that it gets worn out faster after 1000km ride compare to continental. Thus, the sworks t2/t5 is best to use in race due to its grip, light and confort. 😉
I borrowed a wheelset for a few days with the P-Zero Race TLR (tubeless) and was immediately impressed. Beyond what you mentioned here, the traction in the rain was excellent. I’ve been happy with GP5000 and the Pro One too over the years (tubeless).
Been running the GP5000 28mm tubeless all year around for the last few years. I live in the uk where are winters are mainly wet with a lot of debris on the road and they’ve been fantastic. Fast and reliable.
I switched to Continental GP5000 AllSeason TR and absolutely love them. I got the 35mm thicc option and run them tubeless. They feel fantastic and are resilient enough to handle my curvaceous figure and weight just fine. But I’m not fast and don’t really care about peak performance-feel and puncture resistance have more impact on my enjoyment. :)
Highly recommend the 'Pirelli Cinturato TLR Road Tyre' slightly heavier than the top 3 in video but better puncture resistance. Good in dry/wet and long wearing.
Super nice tire. Not a supple as the race versions but grippy and tough as there is a lot more tread on there. Perfect fast training tire. Ìt is just that most people ride their race gear year round. very little switch to the tough stuff during winter.
With a grand total of 176miles on them so far (Still in the 'warranty period'), I'm really liking the GP5000 S TR. After years of riding 25 and 28mm Gatorskins on my road bikes, I was moving to wider 32mm, tubeless setup and decided to listen to the data about the Gatorskins (they are slow, slippery in the rain but last forever without puncturing) I've been really pleased. They went on easily enough. Tight but popped on immediately. Running them at 65psi (I'm a clydesdale) the comfort level difference is stunning. But yet they still seem to roll fast as predicted. Set a few PRs on my regular routes already (new bike energy perhaps?) Now to see a) if they hold up as predicted b) if 'high pressure' road tires in tubeless is actually a good idea.
You can train in them, you can race them, you can have zero fear going through the city roads with all its damaged roads. The GP5000 S TR does it for me. They are also a very repairable tire. I've patched them before on bigger punctures, and they go on to ride for a long time with no problems.
Hi Chris Fully agree with you on Pirelli and Conti! My number three is the Schwalbe Pro One buying superior durability and puncture protection with some extra weight (279 g for 28mm).
GP5K is my tire of choice. I'm 187lbs and ride in NYC, and it's the most durable race tire I've found. If durability were no concern, I like the Vittorias, but also love the ENVE tires. Even though I have had more than my share of punctures (including some that took three or four dynaplugs to seal up), I have never - in ~25,000 miles of tubeless road riding - had to get a ride home. What happens that causes a ride home?
Hey @outdoorbros_ thanks for the content I really enjoy it. What did you think about the eagle f1 supersports? I saw you listed them but didn’t mention any remarks about them ? Greetings from Costa Rica 🇨🇷
I have the S Works Turbos on my Tarmac SL7. At about 1,000 miles right now and I dont' think they will last much longer. I made the mistake last weekend of taking the bath path North through a rough area and there was a lot of broken glass on the trail. You can only steer around so much of it. I now have a few slits in my tires with pieces of embeded glass in the tire. I picked up a dental metal tooth pick so that I can take out the small pieces and we'll see how long I have until new tires are on the fix list but overall I"m not too impressed with the longevity of the Turbos. Even before before the glass my front tire looked like it was prematurly wearing, and more so on the right side than the center. This is my second set of Turbos. I got 6,000+ on my Roubaix from them and was convinced they were the best. Same trails, same air pressure, different bike.
I've been using the GP 5000 S TR in a tubeless setup since they came out on a few of my bikes. I've tried 32mm, 30mm and now I just put 28mm. I've only had 1 flat on the 32mm ones, but it was really huge slice (about 2cm), never saw how or what did that slice but overall I have more than 20000 kms with all the GP 5000 S TR in total and I am extremely happy with the tires. Every time I am about to buy new tires, I would be curious to try other brands, but I just don't want to take the risk and eventually end up with the GP 5000 S TR. Expensive, but great tires.
Challenge Strada Pro. The absolute most sublime ride. Ever. Downside(s) - the absolute hardest tire to mount, and IF you get 1000 miles you live the good life and God has rewarded you. I've ridden Conti Gatorskins (tubed) for ever, so my first foray into tubeless-land was a Conti GP 5K TL (prior generation) in 25 mm. On an extremely hot day and with 80 psi of pressure, well within the stamped limits, the rear tire blew off the rim, shortly followed by the front tire exploding (as in catastrophic failure of a tire "seam"). I will, however, go back to them because of my experience with the Challenge tires. No ride quality is worth an hour of grunting and cursing to simply mount a tire on a wheel.
Ive experienced two mystery blowouts, both on GP5000’s. One was coming down the Alpine Loop. Scary. Never had issues with GP4000’s. Can’t trust the GP’s anymore.
To me nothing feels better than a corsa pro. But 1000 miles goes quick. Ive been rotating them at 750mi and I usually get 1500mi+ out of them. For winter I got some 30mm Corsa N.exts and I already hate how they feel 😂
american classic has a few tires i hear good things about, the timekeeper is probably the one for racing, a few others for gravel and off road too. really like the videos.
Racing is not something I do any more so it's been a while since I've used any tires from Conti, Pirelli, or others, I say that because I never got high mileage out of tires that are suitable for racing. I just took off a set of Challenge tires because they both had sidewall cuts after around 300 miles. That kind of brought tears to my eyes. I have gone back to the Rene Herse tires. I get long life and my monies worth IMO. They aren't that heavy and they have a great ride feel.
I had similar results with my first pair of Corsa pros. Right around 1k miles the rear is now a slick tread while the front still has some grooves. That will be my last go with Vittoria. I've used em for many years, but no bang for the buck. Moved away from Michelin after many years there too after the tread on two tires delaminated with less than 800 miles. Going to have to see what all the hype is about with 5000's.
Agreed about the Corsa Pros, they're great and good for a season. Summer has just ended here in my region and so did my Corsas 😔 Just put on the new Pirelli Speedcores TLRs which should get me about 6 months?
28mm Giant Gavia Course 0 tubeless on Giant SLR 2 wheels (42mm carbon). I’ve been riding this setup for two years and have never performed tire maintenance on the road. I average 400 miles/month and only on my second set.
Everybody raves about the Conti's and I've had nothing but trouble with them flatting and never sealing. I ride Vittoria (Rubino or Corsa) simply because they actually seal after a puncture. Perhaps the Conti 5000 is an improvement over their other options?
I'm running 30c Challenge Strada Bianca tires on 50mm wheels and it's a plush ride. I'm don't think it's got great puncture protection, but I haven't had any issues yet (knock on wood). They are light and the casing is super soft. I don't ride that hard so it does the trick of giving me a nice ride.
Can I ask if you run 32 mm GP5000 on a Tarmac SL8? I've Tarmac sl8 frame coming and hope to run my 303 firecrest that have 32mm S TR but they measure more like 34 and so I'm wondering if they'll be to big
I continue to use and enjoy the “tubed” version of the gp5000 with latex tubes and as long as I don’t compromise the sidewall they are rock solid, fast and supple. BUT….BUT I have had terrible luck with the TR. Last year I was close to just quitting them but I held on. During a tour in late May I punctured the front. The sealant worked but the culprit was still in the tire… a very tiny thorn that would be measured in a couple millimeters. The rear has punctured and sealed, punctured and sorta sealed and… well if they weren’t so expensive I would just trash them. To make a TR last you will need to put a ton of Stans in it and that sort of defeatist at least one of the perceived benefits. Just my experience but I have a new side of P ZEROs ready to go and for now I would not recommend the Conti tubeless. (Oh,they are MUCH easier to mount than the V1 tires.)
i jet washed my bike (i know, i know) the jet wash blew a hole straight through the side wall. soft as butter. i was never particularly impressed by them, GP5000s are awesome, an unknown, underrated tyre is the Yksion PRO UST tyre, not the Elite and not the newer one with the tred.
Would be interesting to hear why the others didn't make the list like the Goodyear's and Specialized. The Goodyear Supersport R tests well but guessing there are some other issues.
Why does the cliche of feeling guilty / ashamed / bad for calling your significant other to save you off of a mechanical exist? I genuinely don't understand it. I've had to make that call a few times now. She NEVER complained. I never felt embarrassed.
I absolutely love my Corsa Pro's! Currently running them in 32s. I agree with the 1K Mile mark. That's usually when I swap the Pro's. My GP5000 S TRs (in 32s as well, 🙂) seem to be holding up a lot better. I have about 1.2K Miles on the GPs. Two tires I'd like to hear your feedback on. Veloflex Corsa EVO TLR and the Michelin Power Cup 2s. The VeloFlex'es I personally did not like. They were *SUPER sticky! Probably the grippiest tire I ever rode but they were also very spongy. That's what I did not like about them. The Michelin's I never rode before. I'm debating putting them on my Ostro VAM. We shall see. #RobbArmstrong
Wife and I have had no flats in 2500 miles each with Pirelli’s. We’ve never gone anything near this 5000 mile total with tubes on the roads around here. What’s the shelf life of a TPU spare, LOL?
Schwalbe pro one.. seem the best for hookless enve wheels. Never seem to leak. From sitting to long.. and they feel faster to me then the GP 5000 str.. i have both on different enve wheels. Kind of hoping i go through the GP5000 str quickly so i can replace them with schwalbe. 😂 Gp5000 were definitely my favorite with tubes.. & the New Str are great but definitely give me more headaches with my enve wheels..
I spend a 100 on a set os Sworks turbo, they would not sit correct, both tyres, i use a Roval wheelset, they were the Tightest tyre i have ever fitted. I had to cut the off from Carbon rims.
Clinchers are (way) lighter tyres. Never understood why people always claimed tr’s are lighter. The tyres themselves are about 100gr lighter (pair), and with tpu inside you again are lighter (approax 30gr tpu vs 60gr tr milk per tyre). That’s roughly 160gr in total. I admit i live in a country with decend to very good roads, maybe one puncture per 5 years or so. But even then, new tpu in (lighter than al reserve tr materials you carry) and the ride continues. With tpu or latex the riding resistance is very very small compared too tr.
Lol..no that's actually a SL7 s-works tarmac..look at the thicker seat stays, the seat post and the fork..the SL8 has a slimmer fork, has thinner seat stays, and a thinner seat post..also look at the color scheme
Are we talking pure road race tires, or road tires in general? Pirelli's TLR series are to me the most supple and liveliest feeling tire, but it takes just one idiotic driver to make you skid your rear wheel under emergency braking, at which point that tire is flat-spotted and soon headed for the bin. Realizing that I do not need to eke out ultimate speed on my bike, I've opted for Vittoria Corsa N.Exts. They are fast, tough, long lasting, and they feel better than Pirelli Cinturato Velos. Haven't tried tubeless Contis, but I used earlier clincher versions of them. Their Gatorskins felt heavy and lifeless, and their GPs soon developed that brown sidewall frizz that had me wondering about casing degradation. BTW, I'm also an 87 kg ex-sprinter. Your weight plays a big part in deciding which tire works best for you.
I use the clincher Victoria corsa control 25 C. I do more than 2000 Miles on these. Be aware that conti had 2 different versies of the GP 5000 clincer and you can’t tell the difference. One version is often use as first installation on new bikes and by retailers sold on discount. This version is simply rubbish, 5 punctures within 200 Miles. The other version lasts forever without punctures. Why does’nt Contido something about this? I also use the Michelin Power cup Tlr 25c without any problem. Had One small puncture which sealed itself, only had to inflatie a little.
Conti 5000s are too difficult to mount. Conti should really address that issue in a newer updated version. Started riding Vittoria N.EXT which actually have a much better ride feel and are very easy to mount. No longer a Conti fan.
Ditto the comments on tubeless, I’m not a fan. Running Corsa 28’s on my SL7 & SL5 Tarmacs (latex tubes), 32’s Conti 4 Seasons on the winter road Diverge (Maxxis lightweight tubes) and 28’s S-Works Turbo on my Allez S-Works just for the look, but they ride great (latex tubes). Also have GP5000’s on my Venge and Columbus steel custom build, in 26’s. Also great. Quality tyres all seem too notch these days. Not tried Goodyear or Pirelli, but might do now.
@@Marco-ob1gosince this post I’ve upped the size and now running Corsa in a 32c. With latex tubes, super supple, no issues and really fast rolling on Ultegra C50 wheels.
Technical Descending in ROAD is insane, lets be honest this is not a thing that actually exists. what is the tecnical part of a flat road. thanks for the video, nice info
I’ve never had any tyres fall apart after 1000 miles. Vittoria Corsa 2.0 tubed lasts forever. Love Veloflex too, but don’t last as long. Road tubeless was a waste of time for me, no benefits just messy.
I think tires in general we should go for 28+mm, with norcal cycling testing that 32 is even faster, more supple than 28..Norcal states that 34 is where it kinda gets too wide. Plus I personally have been running GP5k STR--I did not have a good experience with the 25mm--but the 28mm have been great. Sealed a couple w/ muc off sealant too.
Yup, my experience exactly. One road tyre for all I do, GP5000. Only time I would pick other tyre is for race, Vittoria Corsa Pro. Tyre to try, Veloflex Record TLR with big downside, size only 25.
Well, where do I start? Heres an idea, dont ride tubeless! That would solve the problem of having to call somebody to pick you up.That makes you seem like you go out on a ride unprepared. I have tried them all as well. Been using the 5000's, since they were 4000's. I ride thousands of mile a year as well. i am 220 lbs. So the low tire pressure thing, no matter what size, does not apply to me.I am old school, 25mm at max psi, 120. Or 28, at 110. Sure they will rattle the fillings out of your teeth, but there is zero rolling resistance, hard as diamonds, and almost zero flats. Maybe once or twice a year. i have changing flats down to a science. With my CO2's, literally 5 mins flat! No pun intended. So unless you are flatting right and left, tubesless is totally unnecessary, and way more headache than its worth. I watched a friend of mine spend 45 minutes dealing with a tubeless flat, and in the end, put a tube in it anyway. Yeah, no thanks!
@@outdoorbros_I see, and there in lies the problem with a lotta folks. If I want comfort, I will get a “comfort” bike. Thats the last thing on my mind when I buy a fast road bike. Most folks buy a road bike because I/they like to go fast. That brings up another argument, wider and lower psi better. I always get a kick when some rolls up with 32’s at 55psi, riding on their rims, and expecting to keep up with me with 25’s at 110-120. It’s not gonna happen. Like tubeless, with wider tires and lower psi, the bike is more comfy, and may handle slightly better, but in no way is faster. I totally disagree with the science that says otherwise. Have seen them both, and tried them both, and been riding for 16 years. The biggest road tires anyone would ever need is 28mm.--tires with tubes are more than comfortable enough. If not, maybe that person should buy a beach cruiser.😳😜🤣🚴♀️🚴♀️
Veloflex. You should give them a shot…they feel so silky smooth, I really like the way they look (😊), and the tread seems very grippy. Get the 30c…I bought 28c but they measure 27 on my rims. The sealant dried up quickly which was annoying, but then I moved them to my other bike and just used TPU tubes which was the easy way to go. I’ll try tubeless again when I get some 30’s
Top 3 tires for me: Non tubeless: Sworks turbo cottons 28 - pirelli tubes. If u haven’t tried them on your sl8 you missing out. They last 300 miles max. Be carful on super sharp downhill turns, since they slide if you are not planted on the bike. Otherwise on the flats and climbing they are by far the best tires in the market, they are in a category by themselves. They don’t fit my hookless Enve 4.5 otherwise I wouldn’t ride anything else. Tubeless: Continental str 28. Sworks turbo 28. I tried 30 str’s i just can’t do it. I don’t know why but for me 28 strs they feel more in control than 30. I don’t give a shit about hookless compatibility, 700 28 str’s work perfect. All you have to do is learn how to f set them up correctly. I see retard mechanics taping the walls of the rims to have “better” f sealant protection. F stupid. There is a reason why Enve provides their own tape which if properly installed leaves the inside walls of the rim exposed so the rubber touches the carbon wall instead of f tape. Tape covers the f rim wholes. Thats it! Don’t f tape the walls… Anyways i “ digress”, :) Sworks 30 I didn’t mind. But all sworks tires just don’t last. Max 1k, same as corsa’s , if I am Not mistaken sworks and vittoria they are made both my vittoria.
@@Marco-ob1go if you’re lucky, they will last 500 miles. My wife has them on her bike for the past four years. She probably has put 2000 miles on them. She changes inner tubes every second ride, but she claims they’re safe. She also says it’s OK that there are parts of the tire that is bulging…, turbo cottons are magical tires. But they don’t last very long. ( if you ride supper slow on very good roads and you are not very heavy, and the pavement is not very hot… maybe they last longer.) all I am saying is in my experience my favorite tire ever doesn’t last long time.
@@bendardania okay thanks for your explanation, appreciate it! So because your wife changes the inner tubes after every second ride, she has managed to ride 2000 miles on 1 set Turbo cottons so far?
@@bendardania have you also ever tried the Vittoria Corsa Pro tires and if so, how would you compare them to the Turbo Cottons on speed and durability?
@@Marco-ob1go very interesting question. Vittoria’s are supposed to feel very similar but in my experience they have been very different. Vittoria’s are much lauder, also cornering on flats feels different. I prefer tc. Turbo cottons feel like upgraded version of Vittoria’s. Also the turbo cottons are much lighter.
