I remember I got #600 and #2000 stones at first. And after a while I switched the #600 to #400 and #800 two stones. I use my #400 quite often and hard, so it is now much concave from wear. I use my #800 and #2000 evenly. But my #800 looks just a bit concave along its longitudinal line from wear while my #2000 still keeps its flatness completely. Thanks.
Your current stone and strop setup seems very nice. My current setup is Naniwa Chosera 600-2000 stones and DLT Two Sided Paddle Strop with Bark River black and white compounds. They are fast and efficient. Take care!
You can get shaving sharp with a 1000 and a strop with practice. Get a 400 if you tend to put big chips in your knife. Keep in mind what a bushcraft/hunter is used for. No matter the steel, super sharp is gone pretty quickly on even soft wood or bone, depending on edge type and degree. An 800 will work as well, just not as fast at removing a chip. If you go King, I recommend 400 and 1000 with a stone flattener.Later you can pick up a 3000 or higher and do your kitchen knives too.
I have the chosera 400 and will be adding 800 and 1200 too, for polishing I'm happy with what the king 6000 does. Some of my knives (different steels) sharpen better on the king but some not, that's where norton, chosera and arkansas get pulled out for comparison.
this is why softer soaking stones like king use slurry to help it cut your steel, stones like Chosera/naniwa and shaptons do not need slurry, hence using your nagura stones and raising a slurry on the splash and go stones does you no good, other than making the stone feel "lubricated" and "smooth". With the king that mixture of stone and metal helps the cutting speed.
No, the slurry only helps with the bevel finishing not the cutting speed. The Chosera has more abrasive volume and will cut faster. The Chosera is also less prone to dishing thanks to the harder magnesia bonding.
To those here that think a stone flattener is a good idea I'd recommend watching Murray Carter's videos. Just use the high spots as needed to prevent and correct concavity. The blade contacts the stone just in one point at a time anyways. Don't waste your precious stone, for freehand sharpening separate flattening is stupid.
King stones are designed to be "cut" by the edge like that so as you sharpen you always have fresh abrasive to cut the steel. That's why Arkansas stones have to be dressed every so often because the silicates on those stones don't break away and become rounded and stop working.
Yeah, you just discover a "splash and go" stone. That costs almost 80 dollars. The King is a traditional wheatstone, needs to soak 30 minutes before be used, and costs a 30 dollars. Both are good, Chosera is faster and will survive for 20 years. The King will be used half the time. It's a question of how much money do you want to invest.
It depends on the chipping size. Chosera #400 restores tiny chippings quite fast. But if it is large, #220 water stone or a coarse sandpaper will be needed. Chosera #600 also stands for chip restoration and initial edge reprofiling but it is substantially finer than #400 and takes longer time. I like #800 for sharpening and #2000 for finishing. #800 makes teeth and burrs but #2000 makes a fine edge. If you like 2 stone system, #600 and #2000 are recommended. You definitely need stropping too.
i have used King and Shapton stones for a long time and have switched to DMT Diamond stones. i use 8 inch DUO sharp , which has two separate grits on each stone - top and bottom. I use two separate stones, one with extra course/course - and second stone with fine / extra fine. the range is 320-1200 grit. after this, a 4 sided strop with white,black,plain,green compound. both stones+strop weigh 1.8 lbs. i recommend this method over regular stones which need lapping and soaking and are heavy
Durability will be the same between the two. But Chosera cuts 5 times or more faster. I believe we cannot reach the ultimate sharpening joy with other stones than Chosera. Thanks.
I have some chipping in my bark river gunny. Considering how expensive it can be, what would your recommend as an absolute starter kit in chosera stones. I was once recommended a 400 grit, 800 grit and 1000 grit but what i i wanted to start with just two??
Don't worry if it a bit hollow after a few repeated uses...Only one point on the knife hits one point of the stone usually. This will not be a problem. you can use the high points of the stone to fix points, and do detailed work you don't want done on the middle of the stone.
I have both stones too. Took some getting used to not soaking the chosera but after I got my technique down, chosera makes a great stone. The king isn't bad but it doesn't seem to last quite as long. Too much water on the chosera actually hindered its cutting performance and took more strokes to sharpen the knife.
mrb12405 the brand is Naniwa and the name of the stones is Chosera. He normally uses chosera but has started using Shapton since they seem a bit harder than Chosera Stones and each shapton grit cuts a bit more steel than chosera.. Wether it be Chosera or Shapton please take care of the drying process for each indicidual stone uneven drying of the stone may cause spiderweb like cracks on its surface that extend deep into the stone...please read up reviews on proper shapton and chosera maintenance and storage
I have never used them. Their paper says they need to be soaked in water long enough before use. So they will have different characteristics from Chosera stones. Thanks.
virtuovice Dr, is chosera a brand of stone or a type of stone? Which brand do you recommend? I always look forward to your videos. Thank you for sharing...
Okay, ones a splash and go and one is a soaking type stone. There is a difference of like 5 minutes there and a whole lot of money. I don’t know about you but my king stones cut very quickly for the most part.
So, to clear everything out, chosera is the best choice among japanese water stones, right? And combination of 600, 2000, and strop is enough. What can you say about shapton stones? Their price is quite similar to chosera, at first glance.
Splash and go compared to soaking stone! Got it! Cost difference? Lots! I haven't sent more that $26 cdn. on any of my stones, don't waste your money on the expensive stones it's more necessary for sharp knives at all!. That chosera stone is$178 cdn on Amazon.ca Japanese accent gives you away ahso!
I've had a King 1000 for awhile, sharpen kitchen knives, titanium dive knife, scissors, chisels, plane blades. I cannot find Naniwa Chosera/Profesional/Premium 800 near me so I picked up a 1,000. The 1000 does soak up water, not as much as the king, but much more than my Chosera 5K, Snow White, or green brick. Anyone want to buy a slightly used King 1000? Naniwa cut MUCH faster, and left a finer finish in my opinion. King is not bad, but Naniwa is in its own class, and well worth the price difference.
Ok I just ordered a 400# Chosera and a 1000# Chosera! I have a combined King stone 1000/6000 which is my only waterstone. Gonna be fun to try the Chosera stones.
I have never experienced the Shapton stones. But in Japan made artificial stones Chosera is the most expensive and in my experience it is by far fastest cutter than others. Japanese natural stones are by far more expensive than Chosera artificial stones. But I guess they are for people who don't know of stropping and do believe that the natural stones are the quality. Thanks.
I just bought a Chosera 800 and it absorbs quite a bit of water. The strange thing is that one side dries out after several hours but the other side stays wet. You can see the difference in color. One side of my stone is always darker color. But it seems to work and cut well in use so maybe this is not a problem.
Tin Man It’s not wet, they can just stay different colours after drying. BTW, don’t soak them, just spray or splash water on it. This rule is for all Chosera and Shapton stones.
Both high quality stones. It is down to personal preference really (and budget). In my limited experience I like King better, it even creates its own slurry. I only have a 400 grit Chosera. Also, Murray Carter swears by King stones. I agree, sometimes soaking and drying Kings can be a hassle. I think it's worth sticking to one brand of stones until you master your art, because they behave differently. The result is the same.
Iaxable, so you only use 400 grit Chosera and 1000-6000 king whetstones? beside stropping on a leather piece for best finishing, hope u still on youtube to reply
600 is 3700yen. 1000 is 4500yen. 3000 is 6600yen. King 8000 is 6000yen. The total weight is 4kg and the shipping by air to Europe is 9000yen. Then the total cost is around $380. I would recommend you to get 600 and 2000 from EDEN in UK. You strop after sharpening and 2000 is just good for the finishing stone. Thanks.
if you are a guy who is job depends on keeping your knives sharp and you sharpen often like for hunting. get your self high end sharpening stones. if you are a guy who don't sharpen very often and don't use your knives much. get your self like medium end sharpening stones or if you can go with the high end ones
People who know their sh*t flatten them 100% flat with large mild diamond sharpening slabs. It is expensive but it is the done thing for people who are hardcore into sharpening stones. Also Belgian blue stones are a must have because they are natural.
good comparison. I have started with a traditional water stone from the german company dick. they also make knives. it might be not as good as a chosera but I get a nice metal powder. my chefs knive is now really sharp. maybe I will look at chosera for the next step. greetings from germany
I have the same King 1000, but I also have the King 800. There is a difference. You are comparing a Chosera 800 to a King 1000. A more accurate comparison would have been to compare the King 800.
hola se nota la diferencia la king come acero y mas piedra durara menos y la naniwa chosera es mas dura y se come mas acero y menos piedra te durara mas y se nota la diferencia de precios un saludo
Took me forever to find out how to reply to your question Andris Kompelien, through this incredibly idiotic google interface. The answer is simple: Are you kidding? Using water stones is very simple and fun unlike using a jig that doesn't allow you to sharpen the whole edge, of course there is a learning curve, no big deal, try to sharpen your kitchen knives first, esp. worn out ones. Don'y rush it and stop often to check your edge in good light and understand what you are doing to it. Use good light and a magnifier glass. You really don't need to buy any of Murray Carter's DVDs, check his videos on you tube, it's the very same thing. If you insist you might find them free on Pirates Bay or something. Save your money for a couple of quality stones and a sharpening compound/chromium oxyde powder to use on a leather strop instead (no need to go fancy-an old belt will do). Avoid crazy grits (6000 etc), you don't need those if you finish on the strop (unless you sharpen some straight razor, but that is hard to do, definitely an advanced project). Even one single King 800 grit stone and a strop will sharpen your blades just fine.
mrb12405 the brand is Naniwa and the name of the stones is Chosera. He normally uses chosera but has started using Shapton since they seem a bit harder than Chosera Stones and each shapton grit cuts a bit more steel than chosera.. Wether it be Chosera or Shapton please take care of the drying process for each indicidual stone uneven drying of the stone may cause spiderweb like cracks on its surface that extend deep into the stone...please read up reviews on proper shapton and chosera maintenance and storage
