Chris Metzen on the Worldsoul Saga | Asmongold Reacts 

Yeah this above everything has me very concerned.

I'm 15 minutes in and I haven't heard him give a single "cool idea" yet. It's all corpospeak gibberish.

@@DrFrankenschtein Why the hate? Obviously he's not going to spoil the story...?

Fire them if they gets in his way

Here's likely what happened: They're 10 months in, he starts back, sees it, sees it can't be changed, and then says "this is what I want to do though" and they said "nah we can't squeeze that in" and so he said "what if we do it over 3 expacs?" and they were like "oh alright"

Dude made a joke on the old "shit wizard" meme back in Legion I think when he was just waving Atiesh around during combat in Azsuna.

Then he died to give way to the girlboss character

And the story is bad, and?

@@boi3987 Sadly true.

@@boi3987 some leaks suggest he won't be dead but will be rollin around in a wooden wheelchair. Or that may have been a deliberate troll on the dataminers, dunno. Personally I'd be ok with a crippled Khadgar. They see me rollin, they hatin'.

I will revive you

@@Infidel. why would you cause him more suffering

You're being overdramatic

same

It’s okay to move on and it’s also okay to shut the fuck up about it.

I just pretend those expacts didn't exist. I left near the end of legion and saw the sword strike Azeroth. Upon my return, as far as I'm concerned, the story will just continue where I left off. I might visit those expacks in the future for loot, but I don't take them seriously or let them ruin my day.

there's a reason he quit years ago, he doesn't have any clue how to fix the game. instead of hiring 100 good devs they hired one old retired guy to get the bald men to buy more expansions without needing to build anything new.

Somehow Sarah Karragin got a redemption arc but not Arthas.

lol "defeat" of the legion

@@chimerakaitthe loot isn’t even good transmogs have been non existent for years. Everyone still wears like 5+ yr old stuff

The reference Scott is making comes from some episodes of his podcast. It’s an inside joke.

bruh this is a pretty bad synopsis this is like saying hitler was a misunderstood painter who was wronged then decided to make a war to create a world thats better. Aethas fought fucking malygos dude, shielded the entire of northrend dalaran against him and the lich king. hes a protector. in one short story lorthemar said he admired that aethas always wanted peace, but he was young and naive especially politically which foreshadows how he is. however, he frequently mogged lorthemar and called him out on his dumb shit. coz of him (ironically yes) horde magisters and horde were allowed back into dalaran. he still motioned to send forces against garrosh, just so happened that force was traitor. dalaran was supposed to be neutral. if anything, lorthemar was partially responsbile for letting people get massacred in the neutral city as HE was the one caving to demands. aethas actually advocated for the sindorei to break ties to the horde entirely. it was when horde members used an insider to steal shit, aethas was threatened to back down. jaina has a psychotic break and decides to massacre horde members en masse (as you do). like idk bruh he got dealt a pretty bad hand, and you sayin hes the worst mage has gotta be cap, coz ingame it is stated he is at the SAME POWER LEVEL AS KHADGAR AND JAINA

Nah, it's kadghar. He is a pretty shit wizard. Closed the orbital 3 times and even destroyed it but every time it just get reopened

@@ljp400 "bruh this is a pretty bad synopsis this is like saying hitler was a misunderstood painter who was wronged then decided to make a war to create a world thats better." And you fail.

Not only is Aethas a massive alliance and dalaran simp. He is also a traitor to bloodelfs and the horde. In mage questlines. He steals from the blood elf treasury the artifacts of Kael'thas and gifts them to the Dalaran. Man. He doesnt even have rights in Silvermoon. The highest ranking mage is Rommath and he is the successor to Kael'thas. Where the f is he in the story?!

There will be so much bs in the company now stopping him for doing stuff he wants to do

This is kind of what I feared, and why I am extremely skeptical of the product despite them saying a lot of things that have me intrigued.

The worst part is he's now probably obligated to stay around for those 3 expansions despite knowing he's been leashed by the "committee" of writers and designers who've ruined the game over the years while he was gone, and he's unable to do anything about it.

@ToyokaX feel bad for him especially with the kinda ppl who work their now probably going against what ppl want

Once the red hyrda has a foothold there is no getting rid of it unless you have the fighting spirit of a failed painter from Austria. Even then they won't let you do it and drag your name through the mud. Welcome to hell

We exist together now. Two degens, in one grave...

God that would have been the story of the century

thou a physician

@@LawfulBased Once you get that it is Gnosis all the way down, things will clear up no pun intended

You must be in deep cuz there’s definitely entirely new words added there 🥴

and make it on multiple games with the same damn company , when you add stuff like Diablo , Overwatch ...

​@@ZarathosDaimaoh Overwatch was really good but oddly enough the red flags were there since day 1, idk if we were oblivious or things changed gradually to the supposed final form that is nowdays OW2.

Nah Overwatch 1 was fine for a while , except for z few matchmaking issues they never nailed . Balance and content release pacing were always gonna be a source of issues and discussion , like in all Mp games . The moment it all went to crap , is when they knew they wanted to push for OW2 instead

@@ZarathosDaimaoh ofc it was fine but the red flags were there.

I'm a shit eater. I have money, I wanted to play now and not 3-4 days later. It's indefensible and stupid but I did it anyway. People should just be honest about this.

Tbf the fkn games been out for 2 decades...it just needs to die already. It's been milked to the high heavens. There needs to be a new ip because Diablo & Wow ain't it anymore.

it wasn't just shadowlands, it's the direction of the game since then. The people that made vanilla, tbc and wrath are not working there anymore, or if they are it's very few. The direction of the game is something I'd see out of a My little pony episode and they've put more focused on how people see blizzard, instead of what blizzard produces. It isn't the same company it once was. Most of the people see that and have moved on.

@@Khqra it will die when it no longer makes money, and currently it's making a lot of money.

No. Blizzard killed their game when they deleted all content with cataclysm and mist of pandaria. Only tryhard shills followed the game till then because real OG players left after the 20 downgrades of systems. Now they get no new cannon fodder player to sustain so they backtrack. Like the community did not told them for 12 years. Dead corpse that only gets revived at wow2

Who cares?

Thats fine but I'd argue it's less about the multi zone storyline and more about the lore being grounded. Simple conflict, families with reasonable motivation. Not this interdimensional meta level stuff.

​@@xXdnerstxleXx you killed God, but... now alien God is mad.

​@@xXdnerstxleXx I agree. The same thing happened with Marvel. Save the world, then the galaxy, then the multiverse, and then? People stopped caring after Thanos I think.

@@mufasafalldown8401 yup, infinity war was like the cumilation of everything they built up. Then they made endgame, some time travel shenanigans and it was downhill from there. I'd argue wow had it's story climax already. It was with Legion. They could have made the game go on indefinetly if it weren't for the limitations though ever escalating stakes lore wise. The Defias brotherhood is a perfect exqmple for such a grounded storyline. I also knew Shadowlands lore had to be bad before it came out, it's cause the only reason why you'd ever expand on the afterlive, is to bring fan favorite characters based on nostalgia back. Just 1 giant fan fiction. It was doomed from the start as it's most likely pushed down from marketing.

The Defias line was very cool because it was reasonable and understandably motivated. Van Cleef's reason for doing what he did made sense, and there was even a hook to a much larger scale story when you found out just who it was they kidnapped. That was cool. Legend of Stalvan was cool. There were lots of great low level storylines that were local in nature and had nothing to do with a world ending threat. Feels like it's been a long long time since they wrote anything like that.

It's a creative industry, if people don't care about what they're making they won't donit well. The actual solution is getting a new team that is on board with the vision

@@sabershark3102 Sounds like these "creatives" have no concept of professionalism.

@@avenwing5440 mindsets like that are how we get soulless games like concord

I believe we are going to be getting Chris Metzen in the story but he's talking about the little nuances and little side story themes will be reflections of what the artists want to make. That's a good thing. You never want artists making things they don't want to make.

@@sabershark3102 Kind of, right? I do think that people there need to remember they're at work, following instructions. I think letting them do what they want is a major mistake. They can express themselves in their own time. On company time, you get paid to do what the boss tells you. But I think this company, whoever they are now - not Blizzard that's for sure - is too far gone.

The one good villain disappeared

Who cares about story in WoW? Dragonflight was an excellent expansion from the standpoint of someone who actually plays the game instead of watching lore videos on RU-vid.

​@ForOne814 you're asking who cares about the story in an RPG? .... .......

@@ForOne814 It wasn't. Cope.

@@lordhughmungus subscriber numbers say otherwise. Cope.

He does not. He does not care and it does not matter. It's just to make people buy the new expansion early. Just like D4 cinematics or ow2 season reviews

Huh, didn’t you hear microsoft fired 1900 blizzard employees after the acquisition? Part of that was wow team, a chunk of the narrative team including.

@@HasPotato Let's not pretend like most people who play wow care that much about the story. Gameplay was shit too for the past several expansions and it won't change.

@@Saladnessyou do realise that the vast majority of the player-base does not engage in online discourse about the game?

@@HasPotato after seeing the DEI characters this expansion they musta let the wrongs go...

Chris said he likes the Vulperans in this video LOL, what are you talking about

@@pumpkiiin hes saying thats what it would take for chris to save wow

I still don't know how those "Deviantart dragons" got through the quality filter. Design wise they are a joke.

Yeah there’s no going back. It’s not our game anymore. It belongs to the soybeards and purple hairs.

the woke within

All characters are memes. Jokes

@@whoknows8225 you make my evening. xd

The age of men is over.

They gave him the varian treatment

How would you change it?

@@SpiredRapidity For starters the entire way the game is monetized is fucked. First you have to buy the game/expansion and then pay a monthly sub. On top of that there is an in game cash shop and a real money currency with the token. Which they then added into the Classic version. In addition to that Character Services also cost money and are overpriced. If your server dies, which is entirely outside of player control and thus falls on Blizzard's shoulders, you have to pay Blizz a not small amount of money per character to transfer. This fact is made worse by Blizzard not merging realms as often as needed. On top of all that after they pissed away every last bit of good will and fan loyalty and knew they had to deliver something big to make up for it and they come up with the asinine Early Access bullshit. I think that speaks volumes about their perspective of the game and how they view their players/customers. Furthermore raid and dungeon design need fundamental updates. Why is such a large amount of time spent walking in instances when the reason everyone does them is for the encounters? Why are 3rd party addons like DBM/Weak Auras essentially mandatory? Why are so many fights designed around mechanics that wipe the entire group if a single person makes a single mistake? I also feel class design is too shallow. So many talents are so basic/simple they could be baked into the spec and replaced with things that add depth/complexity/skill expression. Like 5/10% to whatever, increased random chance of thing, etc. Those are not interesting or engaging. The heroic talents are a good example of this. Thematically some of them are cool but almost all of them have zero depth to them due to being random procs with zero/very little player control. It's just more azerite traits. The regular talents are also set up in a way that give an illusion of choice in most cases. The only real choice in nearly every tree is "single target or aoe"? Finally as a broader example there are many instances where it feels like the mentality behind game design is focused on limiting players in some capacity or simply wasting their time. They've made some strides here with the account wide changes but it still feels in many instances they want to limit/control how players can interact with the game to a much too high degree. These are just off the top of my head and I hadn't even thought about PVP but there's serious issues there too. Oh and I just remembered how badly QA and Customer Support have been absolutely gutted over the years. I am sure I could write a full length essay on everything wrong with the game and how a great deal of it came about as result of ignoring player feedback. I am also sure if I spent 2-3 hours thinking about it I could at least come up with a few viable solutions/suggestions but I just don't feel like putting that time and effort into WoW especially when the devs won't even attempt addressing most of this. Even this comment feels like too much effort from me but I suppose this EA bullshit re-ignited my anger at Blizz. This shit is not isolated to WoW either. I'd rather just play games that don't try to milk me for every cent and are more concerned about good game play as opposed to pleasing shareholders to the extreme. Like compare From Software games, or Rockstar, or any first party Nintendo or Sony titles to Blizzard's games. It fucking laughable how massive the difference in quality is in games like WoW and Overwatch compared to games like RDR2, Elden Ring, Legend of Zelda or God of War. That's the standard Blizz used to be at, and not just for WoW.

@@SpiredRapidity writers need to be striped any dev with a twitter account just off them bring the game back to the feeling of og wow remove micros completely along with esports and seasonal content

@@UltimateBerserker ok one small point; if you have to transfer because dead server normally they'll give you that one for free in that specific circumstance. source: i've done it twice

The plot of the expansion is the exact same that previous expansions, so no.

Hopefully they won’t need to resolve things. Or at least it won’t matter if they don’t. I’m glad people are talking about WoW 2 more. WoW has become a cesspit of random 15 year old content next to more modern and flashy looking content. A reset is way overdue, I really hope blizzard has at least started planning for that.

Spoiler alert, it will not be fixed

@@Dane23232 nothing to fix,retail is pretty damn good,if it had player housing it would be perfect

​@@deenman23if you don't mind hard resets on gear every patch... sure? Another round on the hamster wheel am I right? 😅

@@mufasafalldown8401 yep,i love it,being able to drop out and come back and being able to catch up fast feels awsome,imagine playing classic where if you left in t1 and come back in t3.,...adios

I would play these expansion over the current slop we're having everyday They weren't perfect but they still felt like warcraft

Hot take. Wow was never that good. It was only good back then because people didn't know better and view it from the lens of nostalgia. Majority of people like this are in their mid 30s now with shit job and no friends reminiscing about times they were teens playing games without care in the world.

Cataclysm had an amazing story and tons of brand new content. Badass villains, dragons, destruction of the world and new quest lines, new race, two raids on launch... Hard to beat this expansion, maybe legion had a comparable amount of content on launch, as eacu class had its own thing. Other than that nothing really comes close.

MoP was sick

@@Saladness Agreed.

Exactly, he is a figurehead and mouthpiece to assuage the playerbase in a vain attempt to garner positive press.

yay good story while gameplay still sucks across the board stormy and metzen saved war within!

I don't know why they can't just trust the guy that actually created the success of the ip

@@Lucyhehe_ lol, thank you! these idiots are so easily influenced, it's so unfortunate. The reward structure is unsavable, the class design is beyond horrible and arbitrary/random/unbalanced, and the story is just arbitrary after SL.

I think its fine for side quests stories, I say thats the area's where the writers can go crazy and do whatever they want, but the main story / campaign leave it to chris.

He wasn't really a simp. He was well written but it seems that you have difficulties understanding how he could feel after 10000 years of imprisonment, being freed by one he fell in love with (she had to massacre/betray Wardens, who were her people too). Then he wasn't all about Tyrande, he was all about power/destroying Legion/Lich King. And in War3 he also left Tyrande in his brother's care.

Illidian in Legion was just Kerrigan 2 : Electric Bogaloo. Absolutely cringe retcon. Illidan pre-retcon, even with his "tuhrrrawnduh" fixation, was still a far more interesting character than the self righteous purple demonic saviour they turned him into over the course of just one expansion's plot development (even if the "I am my scars" line, by itself, was badass).

They must've written him not terrible by accident

@@lionart5230 He was imprisoned because he tried to use a power to fight the Legion and his brother didn't like it then the woman she loved cucked him with that same brother while Illidan endured a 10.000 years torment for her. He was a massive simp, sure it can be well written and reminiscent of a greek tragedy but it doesn't make him any less of a simp. But to each his own 🤷‍♂

@@tiffles3890 He's still the same character, a person willing to do whatever he needs to do to achieve his goal no matter who is against him or who tells him he's wrong. His convictions and will are rock solid same as his reluctance to leave destiny in the hands of some higher power or anyone other than himself. Please explain to me how is he so different from W3 or how he was ''retconed'' other than not being hyper fixated in simping over Tyrande.

It always a drama if we are talking about Alliance characters

is Alleria racist and no-nonsense? because if she ain't, she ain't no Tyrande. if she does not refer to some non-elf as an "outlander" at least once, she ain't no Tyrande. if she does not call a non-elf an impure mongrel to his/her face at least once, she ain't no Tyrande. if she is not fanatically religious in her devotion to whatever pos deity the high/blood elves worship, then she. ain't. no. Tyrande.

​@@gotchauuu Thought about it and Yeah, guess you're right lmao. The vibes I got from dragon flight was like power rangers or something.

Marvel & DC comics.

Marvel and DC are dead ​@@jshadowhunter

Jesus Christ I wish I could give this comment more likes

Yeah the rainbows have unionized in the company so they are entrenched.

Faerin Lothar is the worst DEI insert ever seen in the game. Well, she actually comes in 2nd after the Dragthyr, a race literally based on the non-binary and trans identities…

@@ironghost-ug2si faerin is hilarious, I like how they piled all the dei on one character. Hopefully she's lgtv, that would be the cherry on top

@@ironghost-ug2sishe’s gonna be king of Stormwind/High King of the Alliance, mark my words

terrible gameplay and even worse story is way more of a problem than any feminine influence. asmon has got y'all completely obsessed with these weirdo concerns getting mad at games journalists and twitter freaks instead of bad game dev

It didn’t soften the game it rotted the game it has already spread and claimed destiny 2

Warcraft isn't about big bad orcs beating the shit out of humans with massive axes anymore. It's embarrassing to see Metzen of all people on board with current Warcraft

@@kingkarlito I agree 100% but there is definately a crossover between feminine influence and bad story, alot of dragonflight would have been great if they didnt treat it like a disney movie. If you take an IP thats had a darker and more serious tone and turn everything into a gimmick it objectively ruins the story by losing its identity.

One is entwined with the other, big brain.

do you do mythic raids?

@@schmidth why the fk is that relevant

Bill Gates is too busy in Africa and on Epstein Island 2 to care about your gaming experience.

Microsoft being better? Lmfao.

Spoiler alert. WoW and Blizzard will outlive you

You've just never worked on a large creative team so you don't understand what he is saying. It's ok to admit it went over your head.

​@@ARandomSub Creative team where? 😂🤡

People were expecting for this to be him saying how he's going to save wow when that's not what this is at all. It's a video meant to be a insight into how development works, it's not a promise how hes going to fix wow. If he just went in there like you guys suck and your all going to do what I say, none of the people would want to work for him.

theyre simping because he's an OG balding white dude with a rough exterior.. which is most of what the playerbase is tbh. he's absolutely a PR hire and a front for the whole "we're going back to our roots and listening to the players" shpeel

@@MokuTom basically Joe Staten for halo infinite. One of the OG's that was apart of the glory days brought back for one last hurrah that will inevitably fail and they will leave again. Warcraft & Halo peaked and ended their stories well over 10 years ago now. Time to let them rest and move on. You fundamentally CANT force something to stay good or keep going when it was never intended to be that. Look at Star Wars or current Marvel. Things end, our capitalist consumer society just cant fathom it sadly.

There’s way to many progression systems. Raids feel meaningless and unfulfilling bc u can just farm the gear through mythic+… Classes feel bloated and daunting to start Wow core gameplay sucks and they are doing nothing to fix it this expansion. Feels like an ARPG game not a MMORPG

How can you even say gameplay is dumbed. It is like 86345x difficult than pre cata version of the game. I played the classic. People were talking to each other in first 2 weeks then it all stopped. Like all the things to make people talk with each other was there, it was the exact replika of vanilla wow but yeah nobody talked with each other. It is not 2004 anymore it is 2024 deal with it. Getting epic gear meaning something is a stupid point. It was colors back then, it is numbers right now. Ilvl replaced colors but they are literally the same. Go ahead and pretend numbers are colors then you will be happy. Storywise yes Arthas was cool but pre cata all story occurred randomly. They didn't have any continuation. Like why did c'thun attacked after we defeat ragnaros? Dude attack a few weeks early while azerothians dealing with ragnaros half a world away and you will ass fuck whole kalimdor. Why did lich king decided to wake up after we are done at outland? Just wake up a few months early and conquer all azeroth anyone who is competent is on another planet 😂 post-cata though story was continuous end of an expac caused the start of the next expac. Without one, other could not happen. It is not the game, it is you. You are burned out from the game which is ok you cant play same shit 20 years straight. It is ok to take a break or quit. I played dota 2 for more than 7000+ hours then i was done with it at some point and quit. It was not because of game design i just got overwhelmed from playing too much. But i dont cry over it

@@saffronbrick16Wow are you a ginger? Wow definitely had more soul and direction back then. I don’t know why you deny it

At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil.

Some of these complaints we're made during WotLK too. Specifically about dumbed down content and free epix. However, you are completely correct about server community. Between that and LFG, the heart and soul of WoW as an emergent social experience died real fast once those features were launched.

Same as they tell ow2 players lol.

Dragon flight was awesome

Give murloc allies race and givee now

not to mention that taurens are cool and vulperas are not. tauren ooze primal wild brutality soothed by the gentle giant concept, whereas vulpera instills cringe in my very core from the ground up (and it doesn't go very far up because its just a gnome in a furry suit). "heu heu milk jokes" are the worst you'll hear about taurens, whereas when you think of vulpera, likely one of the first images that spring into your imagination is some cringe deviant art sexualized furry character with a gay twist or some other degenerate undertone.

At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil. And please no w ö k e writers

bro, Metzen said they have plans/are working on plans for up till patch 17.0, if you think they'll ever make WoW 2 just so that they lose people, lol :)))) they won't make WoW 2 when they have 7+ million people playing now, either Retail / Classic / Cata... they just won't, why spend hundreds of millions of USD, maybe even 500 million cuz you can't just launch WoW 2 with like 4 zones... you think Microsoft gonna spend half a billion for MAYBE a chance on something, when they can continue WoW in its current form while making billions yearly? lol

Don't do it. It's not worth you money.

@@majorshepard2 I won't im happy playing Classic and SOD rn

Yup

yea, then they put him in charge of the story, and things went to crap

Wow Warcraft 2, that's a 30 year old game!

@@MrBobloblaw60 he played a big role in a lot of the story early on lol .. aka wotlk that everyone loved

​@@MrBobloblaw60You got it backwards brother, the story went to crap when Metzen left and Danuser took over....

Already into talking about 16.0/17.0, which is 12+ years out. Good luck with that.

@@AvatarOfPerdition we are gonna get expansions faster now.

At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil.

well thats the prblem ppl listend to much to this dei jokes, that are just self inserting them everywhere they can and not producing a good story not even when it was pretty good and knw before those clown touched it and ruined it

95% of this expansion was already set in stone when he came back, he even said so. No matter what he may do with it in the future, this expansion will be the same old thing from the people that brought you the soggy toast dipped in milk that was Dragonflight.

Yeah I'm convinced he was always just a PR hire

lol I was thinking the same thing, he bites it before the opening quest line is finished

These kinda games are huge for sunk cost fallacy. Took me a long time to quit runescape when lost enjoyment in it. So many can't quit cos they know nothing else and don't want to see that time go down the drain

Imagine doing so much mental gymnastics to put yourself over people still playing a game.

Brother, ur saying this as if nobody enjoys the game n that were all just playing cos were stupid or some shit. Ppl enjoy the game, if they didnt it wouldnt still be alive. Shutup :D.

Naw i think most fall into sub for a month or two get my fun then quit until next season/patch i want to play.

It all boils down to how well TWW will do. Personally I 've already seen some 80s running around (crazy bastards, they had premapped everything in beta) and in general the new areas are filled to the brim with people. So, sales-wise it must have done at least decently. At lvl 74 I 've already witnessed a complete sub-story start to finish, it was poignant, it was melancholic and you had the feeling your actions mattered. We 'll see down the road how it goes. My extremely first impressions are very cautiously on the optimistic side of things, *so far* .

Facts and bfa too

@@scottsetzke7967 Yeah BfA was bad too, but the reason I didn't mention it was cause nothing happen lore/story wise that was devastating to the overall world story. It was bad but the damage was mostly self contained. Shadowlands ruins the entirety or the story right from the cinematic!

People dont really care about the story.

@@DanielAnderssson God you are so so wrong LMAO Warcraft fans do. MMORPGs as a genre kinda suck! WoW is WoW because of it's story. bad gameplay can also be fixed.. but ruined story destroys the interest in the world! World if the essence of the MMORPGs. YOU might not care about it, but your not the type of player they care about losing either

Fully agree. At this point i seriously would want a do-over of Warcraft from the End of Warcraft 3. Many things of older Wow can be taken over, Characters we like, such as Yrel, can be added in a different way, but no time travel alternate universe bs and especially no abominable writing like Shadowlands with its bad lore implications. Leave the beyond in muddy waters. Do not pull back too much of the veil.

Lol, it's not as corny as "tommygunn"

@@bad3032 you mean like Zelda Williams?

​@@Bophades93Zelda was a name LONG before the games, but your point does stand.

​@@bad3032 Stick to begging for aba & preach reactions lil dude

i mean, it all depends on the name, doesnt it? If its a nice name that makes sense in the regular world, then i say go for it. Big difference between naming your daughter Jaina, or naming your son Saurfang.

I can imagine the "democratization" looks something like 9 liberal white women, 2 trans dudes, and Chris Metzen in one room. He gets outvoted on every single thing and has no power.

Good call, War Within is the wokest story yet. A literal fish market.

What content did you play in DF?

Okay.

1000%. He might make it somewhat better but there's too many things wrong with current WoW that are woven deep into the core of the game, you need to rip them all out but no one will be willing to do that. The only way is a WoW 2, not sure if that will happen or not (and even if it does, will they have the right people on it)

What are u talking about? He destroyed his own legacy many years ago, he just talking head for wow fanatics, just part of the promotion. He doesn't care at all only money. You guys so coping if thinks that this people still have passion for wow

People here talking as if he wasn't the creative director for Cataclysm and Warlords of Draenor. I think the rose-tinted goggles are put on too tight.

Should’ve*

You don't have a redemption arc without doing something wrong first. Arthas did nothing wrong

Exactly where’s my titan glowy god arthas

villains shouldn't always get redemption arcs

@@EB-bl6cc if sylvannas gets one so does arthas lol

@@EB-bl6cc the problem was that they gave redemption arcs to characters that had way less excuses for doing ehat they did.

Metzen is the narrative guy not the gameplay guy

"Interviewer asked narrative/storytelling guy about story and not gameplay mechanics" WoW what a surprise...

@@Saladness Yet everyone says that he will save wow...curious.

the trilogy is just a bad idea honestly. i get the fomo stuff, but it dont work like that. if you came back to give wow another try and part one doesn't do it for you, you wont bother with part 2-3. if u miss part 1, or are new to the game you sure as hell wont join the game in part 2 or 3. You can just look at the numbers for any games that are trilogys and the player count drop off after part 1 is always around 20% and it just goes up and up. Even good games like FF7 rebirth had a huge number drop off from part 1. WoW will be just the same, and it will really hurt the game come part 3.

lol

World of Women

They probably pay him a lot of money

Does it?

That isn't what he said, he said it's a balance of leading them to the story he wants to tell but also letting them create what they want to create. It's what you should do as creative director. Back in the day everyone just did what he wanted because he was the legend. That isn't conducive to creative development.

@@LtSMASH324 It made them a shit load of money and gamers where happy, sure it might be more conducive now, but is it better? A shit idea is still a shit idea.

@@Gr0o0vDizzle you're right, a good creative director should know when to say a bad idea is bad. But it's impossible for us to know if that is happening or not.

@@LtSMASH324 Is it impossible for us to know? The current trend has been going on for a couple expansions now, metzen said he has come in 10 months late to the process (which we know is well ahead of current) also, we should see a turn around if this is true in either the next or the end of the current.

@@Gr0o0vDizzle yes because you don't work there lol

Mythic+ doesn't have any lockouts.

There we go, someone understands the inside joke.

Agreed.

This. There is no fixing without reboot

Alot of people love the story of wow. only because you like it that way doesn't mean people that play the game see it as you do

Meanwhile FFXIV dropped the *ball* with dawntrail

They can't go back

@@sandroweber7157 Nah dude we loved the LORE of warcraft, not the story. I quit in BFA after playing since TBC launch and reading every book. I just can't with how disgustingly marvel/disney/cringe it has become. It's over, let it die.

What excessive amounts of content? Classic, get world buffs log out and wait for raid? Tbc do your weekly raid and grind a stupid amount of repetative dailys for rep? Wotlk que for some dungeons and do the raid each week? Im struggling to find any of this excessive content in the "classic era"

Leveling was fine in Vanilla cos everything took place during Vanilla so u werent being excluded from shit cos everyone was doing the same stuff. But now to get all the new shit u gotta level through some random expansion just to reach the cool new stuff. Thats why its seen as an annoyance.

oh come on

@@ondrez5114 I’m not judging actually find it kinda cool

@@Saiyansteve not judging either but I dont think that's the case at least here