New Player Reviews World of Warcraft 

Whoever told him to try retail should be thrown in jail for cruel and unusual punishment.

This entire godforsaken shitty ass tutorial zone with nonstop cutscenes treating you like a king as you show up vs.... Durotar. One cutscene. Your dropped by a fire, naked.

the guy with 300 hours of playtime finally arriving to the point of "I still feel like a new player" was pure magic to watch

DAY 9 man, has been around since the dawn of E Sports, beating Artosis in WCG 2005 Starcraft 2 Tournament, to casting, to day 9 daily's on SC2... yes he has been around a while The man is a ESports legend.

They did all these "interactive" quests like shooting from an air ride, or interacting with "fun" objects, because people were complaining about killing boars or killing mobs to get quest items. Turns out, kill or fetch quests are 10 times better than those "interactive" quests.

"I hope Blizzard watch this video" and when they do they'll probably say "What a toxic gamer..." and ignoring everything he's saying.

How do I get this man to watch my WoW video

Standard alt experience: 1) level to cap 2) learn how the class works on a dummy because I just spammed arcane blast the ENTIRE time I was levelling the character in dgns

I love how the Taelia NPC always says "Finally time for some action" followed up with the next expostion dump :D

I dunno if the young'n know how much of a GOAT Day9 is. This dudes starcraft era was golden age.

The monotone "man...I'm gonna go lay down" hit fucking home

In Classic you get trusted with simple tasks after showing you can do a super-simple task. Then they get progressively more complex. In Retail, you show up and you are right in the middle of all the end-game drama.

Day9 is one of the most underrated streamers of all time. He was a pro Starcraft player with his brother, he has a wholesome learning atmosphere like Thor from Pirate software. Dude has been around for years teaching gamers how to play better and improve their life outside of the game. Glad to see he's getting some more recognition in 2024 because the SC2 scene wouldn't have been the same without him.

"Following the little marker on the map until you're max level" is about the best condensed description of WoW's leveling I've ever seen. Then all of a sudden you're level 70 with 23 required keybinds that you have zero idea how to use.

I remember when I first started out playing vanilla WoW, I ignored a lot of the quests, I went around, beating mobs, pushing the boundaries, finding the boundaries and later when I came to grasp the game and the leveling experience I came back to explore the quests. I thought I'd been different after getting used to MMOs and such games, no, that's my go to with many games, it's how I started with GW2 and FF14 (kudos for GW2 that's basically designed to promote that gameplay), it's why I like sandbox RPG games like Skyrim and so forth. Let me faff about and be punished for doing it if so, but my attention when I first get a toy is not to read almost all instructions first. When I got a lego set as a kid (and heck would do the same today) I'd look at the box, look at all the piece, try figure it out myself, sit at the first page for a bit, slowly explore what comes next. This is more equivalent to "Okay here's the lego set, now look through every page first before you get to do anything". Nobody does that unless they're curious, but as a tutorial it's way too much, you'll just have the person be forced to go back and have to redo it to remember. This is why the tiny tutorial WoW has doesn't help. Get rid of it and have the tutorial stretched out all the way to max level, and then continue the tutorial for max level, cause that's how slow it should be and that's how much info you need to take in. Let the player learn inbetween the steps.

Day9 usually has very based takes on games, and has a ton of experience with all kinds of games, so this isn't surprising that he can peg WoW for exactly the abomination it is.

Day9 is the best, absolute legend. Only content creator I know of who not only disproved of bobby kotick and blizzard in the recent era, but ACTUALLY said nope i'm done playing their games until he's gone and followed through with it.

10:00 “This isn’t a fictional movie, this is my life and I’m still confused” I felt that.

New player tutorial should be: 1. Introduce your chosen race and original starting zone (have them do a few quests until they hit major city) 2. Introduce the faction races (as they were in vanilla) 3. Automatically teleport to each races starting zone and finish 1 quest before teleporting to the next to get to know your allies 4. Explain to the player how expansions work 5. Introduce them to new TBC race of their faction 6. Bring them to the dark portal where they will start new expansion 7. 1 quest per zone for the new expansion explaining with one sentence each zone and awarding the player with ~1 level 8. repeat 5-7 for each expansion 9. drop them off in current expansion for the last 5-10 levels and say something like "we will leave you here in the current expansion, good luck" NO LORE. New players dont give a shit. Give them context from a game play perspective so they know where they are and why, and what all the other places, races significance is. If they enjoy the game, they will seek out the lore.

That reminded me of an important concept used in books, but for some reason often forgotten in games : "Show don't tell". Make us understand the world through gameplay don't regurgitate a long ass story we aren't emotionally attached to youre game yet.

NPC : " That actually reminds me of who lived in that castle , so 500 years ago .. " Underrated lore rant

Fun fact Day9 is the first person with a sub button on twitch

My girlfriend played wow classic before trying retail, she made and lost countless character in hardcore and she was never angry. The day she tried Retail, SHE CRIED out of frustration and told me : it feels nothing like classic and its so convoluted its not fun at all ! Also the time walking mechanic is broken because after grinding to 50, her gear was so bad, mobs just one shot her but when she made another character without time walker, no problem.

I am just glad I started retail before BFA came out. Did the elf and human areas /main quest up to level 50ish a few times. Then stopped playing for a bit and came back when BFA came out. Started at Legion.

In the full video, he goes from being called "new recruit" to Jaina calling him "champion" in a matter of minutes.

day 9 is a legend. loved his starcraft/starcraft2 contents. use to watch him every night after school 2010s when sc2 was popping off.

After getting a friend back into the game on a new account, We dipped BFA for Vanilla/cata and it was honestly so much easier learning the game for them through elwynn vs BFA for many of the reasons stated here.. the only thing I think they needed more of were the combat tutorials like in Exile reach for the new abilities learned as you level. by now Blizz should know how classes are played in top level, so it should be easy to instruct new players on how abilities pair together or combo off each other depending on the class, my friend plays a BM hunter but pet utilities and talents werent really elaborated on at all

i literally went from retail to classic wrath, and just tried to play retail again and was so confused with all the new systems, so now im waiting for cata

"People just keep trusting me with information and handing me guns to shoot at barrels" 😂

In Helldivers 2, you watch 1 cinematic, do a 5 Min tutorial, and you just learn the rest of the game by dying.

"Stay a while and li - Oh, hes gone". Why change something so perfect, blizz?

I joined WoW in Legion and I started out doing the basic cata zones then went through like what used to be normal. I feel like I joined at the last possible best time to. I ended up doing cutting edge for a couple expansions, played classic and then got burnt out on shadowlands and dragonflight

personally i started with a friend that was a long time player. he just pushed me to lvl, i had no idea what was going on or why we are doing anything. all dungeons everyone were just speeding ahead, there was nothing to to feel good about completing them. it actually felt even wore knowing you are leaving 80% of content behind just to play the latest expansion...

"When I do get to actually get to play the game?" "You don't." Day9 basically got the full WoW experience.

What happened to the race starting areas?

They could always have an UI system that changes color if you are in the level you are supposed to be in regards to the verticality. That would be a cool way of solving that issue. If your diamond is green you are on the stratum you are supposed to be

My experience as a new player since last week: Premise: I played wow on and off from 2011 to 2017. I didn’t play a lot and I never maxed any character. I did some quests, some dungeons, didn’t know anything about rotation, add ons, etc. In total during those 7 years I played something like 50 hours in total which in wow is very little. So I decide to pick it up last week. I am so confused. Lvl 1-10 is on exile’s reach. I preferred the old intros but well, it is what it is. From lvl 10 to lvl 50 I am sent to Zandalar (as a blood elf) and people call me a champion even if I can barely remember to engage with shadow word pain before using the other dmg spell I forgot the name of. I don’t learn anything, I never die, even if I suck, I spam my abilities to mobs that do nothing and gather stuff. I slowly start understanding the story behind the princess etc, and I try to keep it simple by only following the story quests, not any other side quest. By doing that, I get called to Orgrimmar: cool! We are fighting the alliance, Sylvanas is our war chief, I understand the story! BAM! A video that explains nothing precedes me being in a weird world with some alliance characters, all to fight sylvanas, our common enemy… what? I level from 50 to 60 now, in a boring world of which I understand nothing. No background story, nothing. 75% of it is indeed dialogue about something I don’t care about. I hit lvl 60 by going back to orgrimmar, and running a few dungeons because I was so bored of those quests… In the dungeons ofc everyone rushes and I’m completely useless. Wouldn’t I have been there it would’ve been exactly the same thing. By the time I arrive running to the end people already are leaving. “Bb” said the most polite guy in the party. I got exp tho. Now guess what? It’s dragon island time! Will they explain anything? Will I understand why and how I got there? What’s the background? Who am I? We will see

the starting zones in classic look so perfect in comparison, progression was maybe slow af but way more engaging

that live example at the end was mind blowing

2:52 Asmon's description is why I like Souls games. Chatty NPCs are few and far between, the bosses rarely say anything, and you never have to interact with lore and background if you don't want to.

They really need a full experience option for leveling. Takes you from expansion to expansion at reduced experience. Even add in quests that would lead you to the old raids but tuned down for a solo adventurer. That way the new player would get a better understanding of what took place prior to the current expansion. The only issue is the world change from Cataclysm.

When Cataclysm revamped the leveling zones I had a lot of fun... then I made a new character and realized just how awful everything was. It's like those amusement park rides where you sit down and go through like a pirates cove. There's no sudden drops, high speeds, it's just the experience of the scenery around you, an on-rails story that you cannot speed up or skip past. Eventually I was practically begging "Please, please just let me collect 10 bear asses, please ju- I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME" Apparently it's only gotten worse since then. Honestly, I imagine this is part of what people wanted from classic, and not just that, I think people also preferred the quest design that didn't wait for you. Like the Kolkar quest in Barrens, the Onyxia quest in Stormwind, things would happen in the world regardless of if the player was ready for them, or even involved in the first place. Game felt like more of an actual world back then (I never returned to WoW after the Blitzchung and Reforged disasters, so classic is still "Back in the day" to me.)

23:10 I always think of Bioshock. You can listen to the recordings and play at the same time.

I cant play retail because i wasnt there for all the expansions and changes, so i have the hardest time trying to farm things like mounts, because sometimes i cant figure out how to get to the dungeon, or what "time" it exists in, etc. Too much has been added and its too overwhelming and confusing

Yep, tried getting into retail as a first time player a year ago, the game's quests sent me through literal portals into new dimensions that I didn't know how to get back from all while throwing a billion pieces of irrelevant disjointed bits of story information at me, it was such confusing mess. Then I tried classic and was like 'oh I get this now' and I actually had fun getting into the rhythm of the gameplay and picking up little pieces of the story from the quest NPC's

He brought up such a good point. Too many games start off with you being locked in cutscenes constantly when all that information should be spread naturally into quest dialogue across the gameplay and in collectable lore pieces. Constant tutorial windows are also a sign of poor game design.

I SO remember having the exact same experience as this guy. 😂 I was so confused. I STILL AM! I was never a gamer, so went in pretty green. I'm basically just ignorant of a lot of WoW lore. Almost all of it. There's too much. I started during Shadowlands, which I liked btw. Probably because I had nothing to compare it to. I was compelled to try WoW after living through intense lockdowns in the UK during Covid. I didn't even know about a lot of end-game stuff until after getting constantly annihilated during duels in Goldshire. A young player asked me why I had no gear. I was like 'What do you mean?' All the gear I had was just stuff from questing. He started talking about gear level and I didn't even know what he was talking about. I had been playing for well over a year by then(!). And was mostly just flying around the different worlds because I didn't know what I was supposed to be doing after completing campaigns and stuff. He schooled me about PvP, I started to gear, and finally started playing the game. Might have been different had I known even *one* person in real life who played WoW who I could talk to about it, but I didn't. Still don't! 😂

I play Horde, any time I logged onto an Ally alt in BFA I got soooo lost in Boralus. Beautiful city, could not navigate it.

New player experience: 1) get literally thrown on tutorial island where you do a bunch of random inconsequential things. 2) get thrown in the second to last expansion and get a whole lot of inane exposition that builds on literally decades of lore that you will never experience and will never matter in the future. 3) cut the storyline short as soon as you reach base level for current expansion... Really a great new player experience.

During my playthrough of the Dragonflight I got the main quest with the cutscene where Vyranoth was already good, and then I get the quest where she's still bad and is just up to join our side. Like what the hell

idk what all that reading is about but i never played alliance. on horde side you go to aztech land, walk up the stairs, set up your base, pick your first of the 3 areas to explore, go there and instantly start killing stuff. you don't interact with any characters except the princess, the king, and like the flight path guy to fly to where you want to go. if you pick the first place as your aztechplace your first mission is beating up locals that dont like the king its great.

As an actual new player as well, this is my first month of subscription on retail and have never played classic, this video makes me feel much better about my experience. And as far as your comment about new players "bouncing" bc of overload, I can agree with that. If not for my brother, who finally convinced me to get the game, literally walking me through and showing what to do I would have long been gone.

I'm a middle age keyboard smasher. I've been playing games since I dno't know when, and the 'sensory overload' comment you made was bang on. I needed this video, I thought I was crazy.

New player 300+ hours into the game was wild. I don’t want to try wow anymore

This reminds me of the time when I learned how to play Baldur's Gate 2 for the first time, learning about the D&D rules which were massively overwhelming at first

The last guy is me, I finished Warcraft 3 and FT, followed WoW unable to play until I finally could (BFA) the game felt overwhelming (played many mmorpgs before, Aion, Shaiya, GW, Tera, etc) came back on Shadowlands, felt the same, but when classic came out I was happy, the game started to make sense, the progress felt good, had to stop playing because of college and work, came back for Lich King, got to join my first guild and did my first run on a raid (Nax, amazing) had to stop again and with that base finally felt like I was ready to take on retail, Dragonflight felt way better after my whole experience in classic, but even after doing raids, pvp and M+ there is still a lot of stuff that I didn’t know and people treated me like a noob/new player, so I totally understand the guy on the video and the last guy who talked with Asmon... if it’s your first character you should star from the bottom, leave the BFA and TimeWalking start for alts of people who already know what’s going on!

oh man I haven't seen day9 have a nice rant in a long time. this brings me back to the sc2 day9 daily days

My wife started playing wow with the release of Classic. This man's comments are the same as those she made when she decided to try retail at the beginning of DF

I was thinking of getting back into wow soon, are all the starting zones bat shit crazy now?

I consider myself a new player (i don't think i have more than 30 hours of game time, played one class and one spec, can look up "Athiya" from Ravenhold if you wish) , having a very similar path to Day9 : i went through Shadowlands (or BfA, i don't remember) after the starting zone, playing frost mage, did a few world boss before Dragonflight, and stopped right after beating Raszageth. I didn't understand a single speck of the story. Why was i in that city ? What was going on ? Why are they exposing me these nobles house that had almost no relevancy ? What is going on ? Why is Sylvanas destroying the helmet of the lich king ? Why is it important ? Who is Sylvanas ? Who is the lich king ? And so on, and so on. And the vast majority of these questions remained unanswered. That's almost poetic : the game gives you so much cutscenes, so much exposition, and yet very little information stay because you don't have the tools to realy understand these informations. I shouldn't have to go out of my way to seek informations on third party websites or programs about what should be basic knowledge of a game. It was a pretty atrocious experience.

I tried to play retail wow for like a week, like 3 hours a day. Literally no knowledge going in. Genuinely the worst new player experience of any game I’ve ever played. Never had a fucking clue what quests I was supposed to be doing, just felt completely lost and aimless.

In Classic WoW, it was still a viable option to grind level and ignore most quests, which was how we used to level in MUD's before UA and WoW. Some people even leveled in PvP, in Classic WoW. Blizzard made sure to end that because the devs were butt-sore that people were skipping content.

I’m a returning player. Hadn’t played since WOTLK when I was a kid. It’s been hard lol I want to love WoW, but coming back to retail really did give me whiplash

When I began wow in 2007 I was instantly pulled in by the plains of Mulgore. The simple quests, the music, the atmosphere, the sense of scale and wonder of the world. I cannot imagine finding that same love as new player now being thrown into the disaster of what this game has become for a newcomer.

day9 is a triple OG

Imagine being a new player going through every expansion in the intended pacing they had at the release. For me, it would be a dream come true. I always feel I miss something leveling nowadays.

I want to add I was leveling one of my innumerable toons and got to 60 foolishly decided to finish up over there in BFA and do the zone invasion quest do 4 of these quests: kill a bunch of horde, kill another bunch of horde, or - kill this rare, or kill this pair of rares. My toon was in mismatched non optimized non enchanted gear and nobody else was in the zone and I hit the point where she just didn't have the gear to kill a rare for a quest solo. Back in the day you would have just sat there and waited for a couple other guys to show up and let's do this. In Chromie time there are hardly ever other guys out in the world away from the starting quests in the expansion. It felt really bad to be stuck at something that would have been doable in normal progression back when the expansion was live, and now it's just a tattered framework being used because it's still there and there has to be something that it's still good for. The theory that every expansion that has ever existed should be compressed into some horrific chopped-up theme park ride that deposits you in the Dragon Isles - and next expansion, into somewhere else, woo hoo - this isn't working if it ever did.

I really enjoyed the indie metroidvania La-Mulana because of this. It just drops you in the game and then you figure out the systems little by little through exploring the world, it's a very refreshing difference to modern gamedesign and its focus on handholding the player all through the way.

Day9 is truly an OG streamer. I think I remember him saying once that every streamer account on Twitch gets a number based on when they registered.#1 is a twitch staff account, #2 is Day9.

Day9 went bald before Asmongold. Truly a dark timeline.

I started playing in August 2023, and I had a great time in the beginning. It’s funny, I too had a difficult time finding the Harbour masters office! Took for ever! I had to look up a tutorial lol! But I wasn’t in a rush to kill things. I was enjoying the story. But yeah I won’t lie I am frustrated because it kicked me out of BOA around level 40 pretty much and I had to move on when I wasn’t ready. I was in space? And with this demon guy I forgot his name, I was super frustrated and didn’t want to be there so I just clicked through everything. Somehow managed to get to dragon flight and had a blast from there. Now I’m level 70! No guild, but trying to not be so shy and I dream of raiding and doing mythics! I really am enjoying the game, but yeah I’m in an awkward spot since i did all the dream stuff and don’t have a way to do raids and mythic. So kinda waiting for the panda thing in May and then I guess the next expansion.

Watching this really hit on how I've felt about the game since BfA, at the very least. I started playing WoW at the end of Cata, April 2012. Over the years, when I've seen people's comments about how the game [since Cata] was so super nerfed and easy in comparison to Vanilla, I admit to being confused. When I played Classic WoW vs what I remember about my experience in Cata, it was very similar: still had a talent tree even if it was gutted, I still died to things (it was my first pc game and MMO ever, unless you count the Hoyle's card games I used to play on my mom's IBM Tandy using 5' floppies), and had a grand old time exploring. Looking at mechanics, Classic/Vanilla were actually very low compared to mechanics now in retail. The difference I noticed was that the mechanics in Vanilla/Classic were more punishing; you had to be much smarter about resource use, when to pot and use consumables in between pulls, etc. So knowing how to play the game, basically. The last retail expansion in which I went hard and fast was in Legion, particularly raiding and M+ keys, to the point of burn-out. My M+ team and I decided to take a break & regroup for BfA. Except most of us either didn't come back or came back at staggered times when others were resting, so we never really reformed. None of us liked BfA anyway. I, too, got lost looking for Cyrus' office. I too was bored to tears by the whole interaction at 21:30. So just afk'd throughout most of BfA. Moving on to Shadowlands, that was the first expansion where I got to max level and just felt lost. I knew several other people in my guild who felt the same way. Like, what now?? And then took a long break in that expansion as well. Came back to Dragonflight to find a bunch of flower-smelling, rainbow-hugging hippies and dumbed-down dragons running the show. What? I remember the scene in Northrend where Alexstrasza puts the whole hot mess scenario of the Wrathgate to the life-flame. I thought, wow, what a powerful dragon coming in to save the day even if it was bitter-sweet. In Dragonflight, I felt no awe, no connection to nor interest in her; she felt weak and uninteresting, totally lame. So, I went back to Classic or leveling alts through what's left of gutted Vanilla content in retail. I realized something as I progressed through both: I think that a large part, aside from difficulty (aka grindfest and time it took to kill things) and community of Vanilla, what people loved also is that the quests were often amusing. They contained sarcastic and dry/wry humour, references to pop culture either of the time or even past times which people still remembered. There were no fuzzy feelings and unnecessary relationship tmi dumped in. You just did your thing and had some laughs along the way (the "Rambo" questline, the "Dumas" questline, as examples). Also, what I didn't know until I played Classic, the super foggy and eerie ambience of Western/Eastern Plaguelands. It was creepy. Even at that, I remember feeling creepy feelings when I started in Cata, in certain areas. That's all gone now. There's no ambience, no mystery, no trepidation of going the wrong way - nothing. It's become very one-dimensional and lackluster in depth, and convoluted in systems. I agree with others' comments about the value of requiring new players to go through retail in expansion-progressive order so things make some semblance of sense and you PLAY THE GAME, not listen to hippies talking about flowers and giving gruff old men handshakes. As someone with an army of alts, I thought the new player intro island and successive dumping into BfA content was illogical and outright nonsensical. If I, as a player of WoW for 12 years[ish], feel that way, I can't imagine a poor new player suffering through this maze of "What the literal -- is going on here??"

The problem is that for example when you are watching Berserk for the first time and it's slow paced, people fighting for no reason, but then a huge ass demon appears for the first time and forsees the future, and then it's slow paced again - then you crave the lore and explanation for what are these demons and what are behelits, but when the creators shove crucial pieces of lore down your throat it is horrible

What’s funny to me is that, Iplayed WOW for the 1st ever last month. I didn’t want to buy that shit so I downloaded the trial version of the game and the part were is in the harbormasters office is exactly where I alt f4ed saying, “ I’m so lost, wtf is happening”. 😂

Hey Zach, what do you think of the idea of having a mock training environment to productively pass players through all lvls needed to reach end game in reasonable amount of time but also able to learn towards the characters end gameplay styles, while avoiding a storyline fiasco where you're trying to catch the player up on 20 years of WoW lore. I think instead it would be great to have in End Game, a mode to go back and "revisit the past" and complete a sped-up recreation of each past era, possibly earning achieves or cosmetics doing so. But an opportunity for players to establish themselves first, and then maybe go explore content and storyline afterward as extra content if they are interested in the storyline and at the pace they are ready to absorb new story information. This would take some "recalibrating" of past seasons content, but if they are really serious about new players not sharing this man's experience, they might consider it... I know many older players might also like opportunities to go back and have a good fun way to explore content we may have skipped over during the many expansions or simply don't remember that well. Maybe it's a stupid idea, but I think it would also quench a little classic era nostalgia for each expansion. Do we really need to keep adding to the story endlessly or can we maybe make something fun with what we have already and see how that works. 99% of players don't know the whole WoW lore well enough to be mad about a recap if done in a fun and entertaining way.

leverling up used to be part of the learning and gave you all the time you need to learn and intergrate each new skill you gained but now its just hey lets just throw a millian spells into your UI from day 1

I don't know why, but the few times I've already seen the Day9 rant here, the only part that sticks to me and just makes me laugh out loud is the "theres a bunch of people here like 'you need to save my son'. 'Uaahhg you saved me you have to kill harpies now' "

Yooo wait this was the first time Day9 played retail WoW? that's wild. I remember watching some of his Hearthstone and StarCraft 2 vids, he's super charismatic and cool. I rewatched his Antechamber playthough recently, it was awesome.

Day9 was a pro StarCraft 1 player turned commentator, and used to be really popular and the face of StarCraft 2 when it first launched. I haven't watched him in years, good to see he is still around doing his thing

There is soo much dialogue in modern games. For wow this started with the DK starting zone in WotLK.

Something I really dislike about retail WOW back when I went through it, storywise, is that everyone just IMMEDIATELY treats you like you're some godlike hero and it doesn't feel warranted at all, if anything it's off-putting. In RuneScape every NPC treats you like a random ass dude regardless of what you've done up to that point, unless its a direct questline. It makes sense, if you walk into a castle and just start chatting up the King than he's going to be pissed you just walked in there. And there's a reason why the quests are so memorable, because they don't just sweep you through 20 years of content and dump a ton of quest logs on you for you to actually understand what the fuck is going on 😂

"Goldfish attention span" You didn't see him enjoying the process of reading through quest dialogue in WOW Classic just the week before

Just coming back to WoW from multi-year hiatuses is hard enough. I can't imagine being a brand new player. I also didn't understand most of the lore in this video either, and I played basically every expansion from Wrath to Legion.

there is no fail state in retail until you get into higher end game at which point you are expected to know everything. the jump goes from 1-8 instantly

Good storytelling in games specifically is having a good game that makes the player want to learn more about it. Railroading you into checkpoints that shovels irrelevant exposition down your throat is the exact opposite of that.

New players should get a warning like in F-Zero when you get turned around and head in the wrong direction. "YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY".

I skip exiles reach every time I roll an alt. I always pick the starter area for each race. I never start with BFA tried it a few times after finishing the BFA end game content on my main and I avoid it as long as I can lol.

i started wow 5 days ago im lvl 61 have no idea what im doin and what im supposed to do now to progress

Bro I've been playing wow for like 17 years and I didn't even know Taelia was the Lich Kings daughter until Asmon said it, that's how bad wow story telling is

I think Blizzard should just drop brand new players into the OG starting zones. Then go through Azeroth until the current expansion. No Exile's Reach, no old expansion content. I think that would be a whole lot less overwhelming.

I haven't played retail since cata. I had no idea retail was like this now. It's so confusing lmfao

I had the same problem finding that office after returning several months ago after being away for 12 years.

Love how he had just played classic for the first time 1 week prior and he was already nostalgic for the starting zone in the middle of experiencing the retail tutorial

Blizzard should make 30min to an hour recap movies of each expansion, showing all cinematics and key stories points. It would allow someone who just wants lore and story to sit back and watch all the cinematics. I know kingdom hearts did this to help people understand the story so far. They could then rework the leveling experience and make it more action-packed. Imagine you go through each expansion through giant wars with your faction to level within each expansion. Each siege will give 5 to 10 levels. This can be done solo or queued up with friends. It will teach you game fundamentals, small lore, maybe even new lore with faction vs faction. It could also give transmog for each expansion as well. Once all the sieges are done, you should be ready to start the new expansion like normal.

I have a genuine question. Ive only ever played retail, started BfA. I was a fan and still play retail.. Would I benefit from trying out Classic? I played it once, but have never gotten far..

This video was amazing lol…. I was raiding in my guilds top server in 2006 and we got server first on C’Thun pre-bc and then I had to quit. When I logged into retail last week I had not a fraction of a clue wtf was going on, and zero patience to figure it out.

If i remember correctly day9 Has won Major StarCraft tournament back in 1999. He was first non korean to play tvz vs korean and won. So hes into Blizzard games for over 20 years by now

what's even worse is if you level a toon through their starting zones instead of exiled reach after your first time, the cutscene and quests we do take place during / right after cataclysm. night elf starting cutscene directly speaks about the cataclysm, malfurion, and the world tree. how is someone supposed to know what the cataclysm or malfurion even are. and with how far along we are now the starting zones being that far behind is just bizarre for new or old players. night elven players literally start out on the tree they find out is burned immediately upon entering BFA.

Not only its hard for new players, its also hard for WoW players that took a two expansions break and when they come back absolutely anything makes sense anymore. I cannot get into retail. I played dragonflight campaign, which was nice, but when i reached the endgame and started doing some dungeons and raids, i started getting currency which i have no idea whats for. My bags were full of stuff that i didnt know what were for. Nothing in the game would explain to me.

2:50 - So if the game wastes your time with giving context to what is happening, it's bad => The game shouldn't give you a story about what's happening because nobody cares 14:10 - So if the game doesn't give you context about who a character, it's bad => The game should give you context about the characters so you know their significance