Christspiracy. The documentary's claims about Jesus & Christianity put to the test, w Kameron Waters 

Without delving into the details, as there are too many to handle, this is one of the most fascinating conversations that will, together with the film, open up a Pandora's box. Thank you - Kameron and Mark.

I am watching it on the 24th with a non vegan friend. I hope this touchs her her and have more admiration for Jesus. Jesus was a bad ass! I love Jesus even more now . 🙏🏻💖💚

It's amazing how so few people underline how Christian food choices should be just and loving. All I hear are proof texts seeking to justify selfishness and violence.

Haven't seen the film yet, but absolutely loved this conversation! Personally, I've always assigned significance to the fact that the sixth Commandment doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill thy neighbor," but simply "Thou shalt not kill." Surely God's Peace doesn't include doing violence to innocents. Also, as a long-time Course in Miracles student, I find its teachings, which frequently include the phrase "and all living things" consistent with an ethic that recognizes all children of God, not only a single species. "Christ's face is seen in every living thing..." My daily prayers include this passage: "I pray that You are awakening and nurturing within each and every one of us, the dreamers, the imperative to reach out to and bless one another and all living things AS TRUE EQUALS, in kindness, respect, & acceptance, and in gratitude, charity, compassion, & love." All my love and gratitude.

he is sooo good at arguing for the protection of animals based on rational research and morality..my mother taught me all of this as a child and brought me up a vegetarian and then later a vegan ..this is the first time i have heard all these references of the various gospels, pythagoras and the essenes, nazarenes, ebonites...other than from my extraordinary mother

Excellent documentary and interesting dialogue here. I pray more folks open their hearts to question everything!

Jesus was Essene and Essene people were vegan 🌺

I recommed reading the book The Slaughter of Terrified Beasts: A Biblical Basis for the Humane Treatment of Animals (by J R Hyland). The gruesome, bloody temple sacrifices are described in great detail. Very eye-opening.

The Hebrew word used in the 6th commandment (Exodus 20:13) translates to "murder". "Kill" is a different word altogether. The etymology of the word MURDER is made up of two roots; mur/mer, meaning "to take the life of",... and der, meaning "living, breathing creature". This is the same root used for the word deer -- the antlered animal of the woodlands/forest. Thus the 6th commandment forbids the intentional murder of ANY living, breathing creature/animal, no matter the species.

96% 5-star Ratings on Rotten Tomatoes of CHRISTSPIRACY of over 250-plus reviews. MY REVIEW: What an absolute brilliant and exhilarating masterpiece, so beautifully pieced together and factually convincing! It was an emotional roller coaster ride -- the mark of a great film - that perfectly made the case of what REALLY happened in the Cleansing of the Temple that day, totally disproving the spin that it was about the moneychangers. What a blessed revelation that Jesus was executed for being a true hero for the animals by rebelling against the Church’s demonic sacrifice ritual. Exposing this huge cover-up is so crucial, and I pray that many, many Christians will see that this is how Jesus (and God) really feels towards animals, not the way the heavily-edited Bible portrays it. Many other religions & their attitudes towards animals were represented and discussed in the film as well. Can’t wait to see this again and the ripple effect it will have on the world!

Fish was a later addition as well as Jesus cooking fish, the early scriptures did not mention fish

Bravo 👏🏽 I enjoyed this DEEP conversation immensely. I have been vegan for 8 years or so. It was a gradual process for me. The same process that occurred and is continually occurring with King James Version of the Bible. Researching his history as an infant king has held so many ahh ha moments that resonate deeply with me. The mainstream programming runs deep in the south for sure. I am still the odd one in my family. My Heart and Mind are clear 🙏🏽 I bought a ticket online for the movie only to find that it was playing at 1 theater in my area. I am sure I will see it mainstream soon. Thank you gentlemen, for an informative and confirming interview.

You are both GENIUS - THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart!

What was that last part before Kam was awkwardly cut off(I think it was unintentional)?? Will there be a book?

my mother brought me up with the knowledge of jesus , the nazarenes and essenes as vegans ..animals are someone .. not objects any baseline spirituality will recognize that

I believe that killing of any animals should have stopped as Jesus was the last lamb that shed his blood.

Just because Jesus stopped commerce from happening inside the temple does not mean that he did not allow it outside of the temple

I’ve myself found seven places in the Bible promoting eating plants alone. Every passing day makes living in the flesh here on earth less attractive.

The corporate and government connections obviously aren't a new concept, especially the topics of meats. A 2k year topic of corruption to force sacrifice vs. just eating meat.

The command, Thou shalt not kill, should have been interpreted thou shall not murder

Absolutely riveting conversation. I have been coming to the same conclusion on my own journey over the last three years and I feel so blessed to find that I am not alone. 💚🌿💚

Love to see this at the yearly UK religious Greenbelt festival!

I can’t find a cinema in the UK that screens it, where can I watch it?

Thank you soooo much for this interview !!!

If you research the Ebionites you will find that they rejected Paul as a false apostle and an apostate from the Law.

Am very compelled to watch this. Rotten tomatoes 🍅 97% and the Waters' and Andersen's other film work speak for themselves to anyone bold enough to watch them, and for me, raise some massively important questions, ones I can't help but think may allow me to benefit my children in the future, like clear-cased health, economic, & climate blights that don't have several complex resolutions, but maybe just one simple one. Each previous film is intuitively tied together (Cowspiracy, What the Health?!, & Seaspiracy) and which lead to this one. Tying excellent research & science from major worldwide organizations makes for an almost tangible documentary experience, that I am sure will also be thoroughly delivered in this film. That all being said, I have no religious connections (raised Catholic) and am just approaching this with an open mind.

Jesus was teaching about Karma. Thank you Kameron for your courage and hard work. ❤

I’ve been a vegan Buddhist for years.

I want to see this but I live in an area that didn't show it in cinemas.

I became a vegetarian 5 yrs ago after l heard the loed say go to the beginning and read in Genesis and the good lord highlighted how he gave us a plant base diet. My heart was full of sorrow for all the animals that are slaughtered for mans appetite, my heart grieved heavily 😢

where can we see the film?

If you look at Mt. 16:9 - the reason that loaves are mentioned and not fish is because the context is BREAD - beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, etc... also, bread is much easier to travel with!

When do we get to see this? What happened? I’ll pay to see it. I offered to show it in an arts center. Please respond Christpiracy people want to help spread the word show the movie.

This was an excellent Share

Thank you for this great interview! 👏🫶🏼

how can I watch it 😩

At the very end (1:34:00) Kam says it’s happening 2-3 times…did he mean a second documentary or is he writing a book?

Kameron is a genius and you are a great interviewer

I bought a kick starter and have not seen it yet. I live in Puerto Rico. When can I watch the film?

Always wondered myself; How could the only son of God be anything less than a Vegetarian,

Fish is meat, it's the flesh of sentient beings, there are many biblical passages showing Jesus didn't eat fish. Also there are some translations which change the word figs to "fish". Jesus teachings were likely to take place in spring and summer when figs grow, figs were widely available and even to this day in Israel and neighbouring countries many people still eat figs with bread.

Is there anywhere to actually watch the film?

wow - never thought of this. I'm already a vegan and have been for ethical reasons but I love that the christian community will have to have a look at this.

Watching this the day after seeing the movie was incredibly helpful! Thank you for this! INCREDIBLE movie!! I absolutely loved it!!! Life changing!!❤

Thank you Kam. I am forwarding it to my pastors :)

Where can I see this film??

Eye opening movie!

What am I supposed to eat ? Diabetic who cannot eat grain or fruit. Every vegetable is carb and raises blood sugar. Can’t take insulin. Makes me sick. Let me know ok?

THANK YOU ❤🙏

"Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes and the lion becomes man." The lion is the murderer. The man is the human. The syntax is confusing, though. But it's not about people and lions; it's just about people.

The film was fantastic and convincing❤

We have a realization movie that brings light back to Jesus Christ. From darkness comes to light, and now we know again, and as as we know, we shall bring back liberty, for from knowledge comes freedom. From darkness back to light. The omen, our full eclipse of the sun. From knowledge comes freedom. The omen, the earthquake in NewYork home of the Statue of Liberty.

So, I missed the premier. I want to see it. Let’s do a whole series playing your movies. Ia 500 seat theater by the jersey shore. play it in my arts center. Right by Ocean Grove

Get Dr Ammon Hillman on the show you would have a very interesting conversation about bible translations

Peace for all of humanity begins on our dinner plate ~VEGAN4LIFE~

If the standards are this low for Christian textual sources, how much lower do you suppose they are for Buddhism? I was a scholar of Buddhism… do you want to know how many people I've met in my whole life with reading comprehension of Pali?

I’m a vegetarian. I appreciate Kameron’s passion for his vision although some of his interpretations strain credulity.

It's crazy that there should be so much argument, wrangling and nitpicking wrt the paradox of a compassionate man who condemns any form of violence and the unspeakable atrocity of destroying the animal life and nature. Really?

The problem with cherry-picking scriptures about compassion for animals in the Bible is that the whole book was edited/infiltrated and corrupted (by the Roman Emperor Constantine and Council of Nicaea Bishops) to cover up the Church's animal sacrifice practice -- that's why you see so few scriptures that value the lives of animals and so many that blame God for "allowing" flesh-eating (all lies). BUT I would highly recommend a book called THE GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE -- the gospel scriptures showing the [deleted and covered-up] truth about Jesus and God's love for all animals. (Best version is by Martino Fine Books with beautiful cover)

"Why did Veggie Tales not share that he was only eating vegetables?" Maybe because the main characters were vegetables and they didn't want it to seem weird? I dunno, I've never actually watched the show. Maybe the vegetables eat vegetables all the time.

Gobleki teppe deer fossils particles is most of the soil you see and mountains of oyster shell mounds create islands on uk shores. I do know its large scale long before we really cant say anything but that The kosher rules doesnt appear till perhaps ordered written commandments. I dont know of physical lawisms against it till maybe 500 years ago . Obviously kosher has been a deal since the first pages..syncrab/ arkaddians are where i see the first eltie hunters and mass slaughter. The fetish of regions Humanism physicalism everything naturalism academic orientation and direction our national & global world view says its all the same comes from same ,returns to the same. Being born in the constalation of pieces 🐟 the fish ,as if the spirit of God hovering over the waters of cosmos ,pauls reversed metamorphosis of jesus emerging energetic/spirit of nature & life giving actors of creation itself should not get lost in translation or taken out of context in this lol Like job of uz, 3 sisters or orion.. The fetish of some middle eastern desert dwelling migrants into Anatolia ,greece ,rome or in India sees new animals that they would never know.

War is the desire for cattle.

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It was best doco ive ever seen

OK, let me try to summarize this , if I may: A. People did not originally eat animals, unless they were absolutely poor (this is why pigs and dogs are "unkosher" , because they were the "non-producing" animals during ancient times that the poor people were allowed to eat, this is why to this day they are considered taboo even amongst the meat eaters). B. Meat eating is a perversion of an ancient ritual called a Yagna. This is where ancient people would worship their God by sacrificing flowers and fruits and other non animal entities in to the fire, to honor their God. People took it too far, and my assumption is they thought "The bigger the sacrifice, the more God must be proud of me, so let's start putting things like animals (re: birth of the barbeque) in to the fire, and even our children." (re: Moloch in the western bible). This of course, is an absolute perversion of the original ritual. (He even says so in Hosea 6:6 "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.") C. At this point, we as humans had legitimately corrupted our path to self realization and enlightenment, and the ancient texts say the only way back from this perversion is if the Purusha himself comes down and is sacrificed (God himself must be sacrificed to remedy this, sound familiar?) (What is the perfect sacrifice? “Satpatha Brahmanam” “Prajapatir yagnah” which means God himself is the sacrifice.) D. The entire Christ sacrifice ritual is prescribed in the ancient Vedic texts (known as Ashwa Medhya Yagnam (Horse body sacrifice)), right down to the thorns on the head: "The Purusha has to be separated from others: While sacrificing the horse, the sacrificial horse is always separated from other horses. A bush of thorns is usually placed on the head of the horse to inform the people that this horse is separated from the sacrifice. Also the head of the horse is considered to represent the Purusha (Sathapatha Brahmana 13th kanda, 6.22). - The Bible says, "the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe" John 19:2, thus separating Him from others. A crown of thorns was placed on Jesus head when he was crucified" So, God came down and participated in a sacrifice ritual to un screw all of us because we supremely nerfed things up . No, you're not supposed to be eating meat, this stems from a perversion of an ancient ritual that was curved in to self worship and a self benefiting ritual. We went from sacrificing flower / nuts to God, to sacrificing Animals for ourselves (re: barbeque). This is the perversion. Interested in more? : www.speakingtree.in/allslides/is-jesus-the-sacrificial-purusha-in-vedas

Acts 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things' That's all folks, anything more than this is legalism, or demonic deception... 1 Timothy 4:4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

i lived with hunter gatherers for a year ..their view and treatment of animals was almost identical to the ethics of a vegan... very far from the compromised, i would say pseudo ethics ethics of contemporary hunting

The dream about the animals = all created is good to eat perfection! The key is to not make the meal a sacrifice situation. Hmm , I think children can get that concept. As we are in revelations, children will.

Native american’s had trouble culling out one or two bison’s. So, they would stampede whole herds off cliffs and only take what they needed and left the others. Not exactly sportsman like. Do like conversation though! 👍

Was he crucified or just actually murdered, there is a difference.

If Jesus was a vegetarian why did He ask for food after visiting His disciples in His resurrected body? Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of a honeycomb*. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

No !! Christspiracy does NOT put Christians off. You cannot speak for everyone. I love the movie A - Z

So, I just looked up Isaiah 66:3 and it also compares making a grain offering to offering pig's blood. The verse doesn't seem to be about the sanctity of lives but comparing different religious offerings and sacrifices: New Living Translation: But those who choose their own ways- delighting in their detestable sins- will not have their offerings accepted. When such people sacrifice a bull, it is no more acceptable than a human sacrifice. When they sacrifice a lamb, it’s as though they had sacrificed a dog! When they bring an offering of grain, they might as well offer the blood of a pig. When they burn frankincense, it’s as if they had blessed an idol. Your interpretation seems entirely based on modern ethics. Also, you mentioned questioning your own conclusions but just because you couldn't see the flaws in your interpretations doesn't mean others can't.

When an NT author quotes the Old Testament they use the Septuagint, not the Hebrew bible. The Septuagint uses the word λῃστῶν in Jeremiah 7:11 which is commonly translated as robber. I'm not sure how much of your argument hinges in this particular word though.

After this film, I stopped identifying as a vegan.

If God created man to live on plants only, he wouldn't have made man dependent on B12. END OF STORY!

For all Christians who are still eating animals, please read Why Every Christian Should Be a Vegan.

Paul’s words are not necessarily God’s words!

I'm a vegetarian, even though my god, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is often pictured with a meatball. Because I think for myself rather than follow what some illiterate carpenter (or goat herder) was said to have said hundreds of years later. Must also say, the line "proved that probably" was my biggest takeaway from this video.

I have no trouble abstaining from red meat. Don’t like it. You couldn’t pay me enough, to eat beef,lamb, goat, camel, emu, kangaroo. Blood type A. White meat & plant-based, is what we naturally digest. I used to sneak all of my red meat to the dog, at my parent’s dining table. I’ll eat crocodile. And I struggle back & forth, re chicken & fish. I think it’s bad to eat animals. We’re animals (mammals) too 😁❤️🇦🇺

Religion is not a logical argument for or response to dietary need when allergens & disease dictate otherwise. I am allergic to carbs. Carbs cause pain & inflammation in my body - so what this film suggests, is that it’s better for my spirit & soul if my body suffer? Ok 👍🏼 sure thing! And who will look after me when I am too ill to care for myself?

God's Torah commands instruct animal sacrifice.

Jesus survived the crucifixion and went to India, his shrine is there (today’s Pakistan). Read Holger Kersten’s “Jesus lived in India “, includes lots of work from Nicolai Notovich.

Did Nazareth exist? Evidently a lot of delusional Jesus' contemporaries thought so... even Jesus himself. ‭‭Luke 18:37 NIV‬‬ [37] They told him, “Jesus of Nazareth is passing by.” ‭‭Matthew 21:11 NIV‬‬ [11] The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” ‭‭John 1:46 NIV‬‬ [46] “Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?” Nathanael asked. “Come and see,” said Philip. ‭‭John 18:3-5 NIV‬‬ [3] So Judas came to the garden, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and the Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons. [4] Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?” [5] “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) ‭‭Acts 22:7-8 NIV‬‬ [7] I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ [8] “ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked. “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. ‭‭Mark 1:9 NIV‬‬ [9] At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. ‭‭Luke 1:26 NIV‬‬ [26] In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, ‭‭John 19:19 NIV‬‬ [19] Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: jesus of nazareth, the king of the jews. If you don't believe Nazareth existed, maybe, just maybe, you don't believe anything in the Bible is true.

There’s no such thing as humane killing, as you exposed in the film. By its very nature any form of killing is inhumane!

Yes I was and am vegan I am the reincarnation

What???? they wouldn't let you explore a kosher facility???? Why pick only on the bible thumpers????

Very interesting point one of the disciples has the resurrection in Galileo the other disciples say Jerusalem this is the problem with the Bible it was Rewritten an altered from the Greek Scrolls he goes back to the Greek Pythagoras this is the original stuff I'm sorry the Bible has been altered changed Rewritten from earlier Christianity they changed the name to Jesus they left out the Gospel of Mary then they proceeded to murder other Christians in the name of the Bible quote Jesus they murdered other Christians when they were forcing them to eat meat this the Bible is not the word of God I'm sorry I can prove it study Yeshua in the Greek Scrolls the Bible was written by the Roman Catholic Church who murdered 600 million people Christians Muslims and anybody in sight who didn't go along with their Story murder Massacre by the Roman Catholic Church Constantine the Council of Nicea easy to prove the Inquisition and Crusades murder massacred and stole all the hidden Scrolls Lost Books of the Bible 600 million Christians Muslims or anyone in sight Massacre murder

Forgive me for writing a longer comment. But I am sure people will find it helpful. Firstly, the dietary law is NOT part of the ceremonial law. It is part of the moral law. The way we eat on a daily basis has nothing to do with the seasonal, ceremonial feasts. Christians were never permitted to eat swine for instance. Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, AND FROM BLOOD and FROM THINGS STANGLED, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Please study Acts 15, Paul and the disciples, at the Jerusalem conference, decree that strangling animals and eating blood is unlawful. The Bible says the life of the flesh is in the blood. Eating blood makes one crazy. Hence, one reason why we see all the madness in the world. Paul never endorsed the eating of swine, shellfish, animal fat, etc. When Paul says, "he who eats only herbs is weak," HE IS NOT SAYING THAT because he thinks flesh meat is healthier than vegetables. Paul believed that health reform and healthy eating were a gift from God. And it is by faith that enables us to eat a certain way. And where does faith come from? "From hearing the Word of God" (Romans 10:17) But if one were to eat only vegetables, they would be in a caloric deficit and rendered very weak. Kosher meat, eaten 2000 years ago, was not the best food, but it could sustain life. Back then, it would be superior to a vegetable only diet (I am speaking of a strictly leafy green diet, not a vegetable diet with grains, fruits, and nuts) The true "weakness" which Paul speaks of is one of faith. He wants people to judge for themselves, based on THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW, what the Bible teaches about eating. Paul was most worried that compelled assent to any doctrine, or conformity to outward observances without being convinced, would be hypocritical and of no avail. It would hinder healthy eating and other important topics. Paul, was arguably the most Christlike, in that he wasn't concerned about any outward reform, because he knew that mankind is powerless to adopt any changes of his own violation. All change is through the grace of God, and by cooperating with Him. So, Paul like Christ, focused on the regeneration of the heart, because in this way all outward forms of eating, dress, and conversation would reform, if the will and heart were surrendered to God. Hopefully that helps! Blessings!

Blah blah blah you waffle too much the both of you Try being efficient with words

Our Lord said, "Do not be Deceived"... This debate over our dietary habits is interesting, sure, but the dietary question is settled. It's scriptural, and it is clear. I am sickened to see another distraction from what the REAL TOPIC SHOULD BE: SIN AND REPENTANCE. I want no sin in my life more than I want to worry about my diet. AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TOO PREOCCUPIED WITH THE WAY THEY LOOK, AND THE WAY THEY POOP. Jesus is coming back as a Warrior King, not a soft and understanding counselor. We are free from these dietary constraints, and anything other than preaching sin and repentance is a waste of time.

Mark I'm really surprised by this. Kameron's whole angle and agenda seems to be a really off, like he's grasping at straws and manipulating Christianity to serve his highest goal, which is a particular ethical agenda. If there is anything in what he is saying that is genuinely ‘true’ or worth drawing attention to, it’s buried within a sufficient quantity of nonsense that, on balance, his project seems to in my judgement to be unhelpful at best. Whilst you articulated your disagreements, you were so hospitable and gave him so much time to talk that it's easy to be left with the impression that he might be onto something. I hope you don't mind negative feedback, I give it because I value your work.

Actually, if he really wanted to discuss the killing of animals, why doesn't he start with the Jews since this type of "sacrifice" began with them. Specifically in Leviticus. He's a coward and being intellectually dishonest because he knows that if he did, his movie would never get made. Just take a gander at Leviticus 1, starting with the "burnt" offerings. "If your OFFERING is from the herd..........and notice, G-d is not speaking to Christians.

Jesus did eat fish for a purpose, He didn't ate fish to sustain his life after resurrection, He did it to prove the apostles he live can can eat flesh after resurrection.

“It’s not what goes in a man’s mouth that defiles him , but rather what comes out of a man’s mouth that can defile them . “

So.. this guy is now a vegetarian because of his "overwhelming evidence," which is really just a new angle on "touch not, taste not, handle not" (Col. 2:20-23) in his efforts to establish a new version of holiness. These "lists" of what IS and ISN'T "good" in God's sight (1 Tim. 4:4) are doctrines of devils; by which a completely false "definition" of holiness is taught to the minds of men whose conscience is seared with a hot iron. This guy is clearly deviating from the crux of the material while making large assumptions in his efforts to establish "new ethical Christian standards." Just another heretic..

Regardless of one's religious upbringing, one can choose to be merciful. I'm not aware of any religion that says one must kill in order to get to Heaven, Nirvana, etc. If you live by "do unto others as you would have done unto yourself," there is no way you would incarcerate, torture, kill and eat others or their eggs and dairy which also cause them great suffering and death. ❤🐣🐖🐕🐟🐄🐔🐈🦃🐢❤