This is a great engine family. The B and RB engines were very reliable, and they had good power output for their displacement. They powered some legendary cars.
59 Plymouth Fury 😱 all 9 yards of her 😂 Any time you put an American V8 in a British Auto !!!! Your in for Fun ☺️ !!!! Guaranteed..... Happy Motoring ✌️🤠
My dad lived in MI. Got married, and bought a '58 fury convert with the 350...he sold it within 2 years due to all the cracked windshields he had to replace. Something about the roads in Lansing...he then bought a beetle and drove it to CA. The folks back home thought, a fury to a beetle???
Great episode as always. It IS difficult to keep all this straight, the cross over in CI adds to it. Well presented! WYR: 1970 Challenger (440 6 Pack please), 1960 Imperial Crown. Thanks as always ~ Chuck
I wanted this episode to come out yesterday, but I couldn’t figure out with a 383. I had some conflicting information about the B engine once or said that it was only made for one year and I was like we were the other 383 come from because they made 3 million of them. lol A couple weeks back I really wanted to do an engine episode on the early general motors V8 that were made by Northway .. I believe that’s the name of the manufacture. They also did the Cole V8 it would be the Cadillac, V8, Oakland, V8 and the Viking V8 but information on some of those are really hard to come by on the Internet so that one kind of got placed on the shelf the Viking V8 is an interesting piece of machinery. The valves are horizontal instead of vertical… one day Also, not sure if they should all get their own individual engine episode or they should all be grouped together because of some similarities also from the same brand GM Great choices =) glad you dig this one
@@What.its.like. that’s the level of effort that you put into this that is so greatly appreciated by all of us! Regarding the engines, just a thought… Individual episodes, and then a separate episode on the similarities. It could show the evolution within general motors as well. Once again, thanks for everything you do.
I believe that the 361 was also manufactured until 78 for medium duty trucks and one of the many Chrysler big block engines l had in various Chrysler vehicles was a 361 in a 64 Dodge Custom 880 four door hardtop it was a very dependable engine and l would like to have another one. Thanks for the video 👍😾
It’s quite possible there was tons of conflicting information with this one and some of the ending dates wasn’t as cut and dry as it is for a lot of other engine families
Yes it was. The 361 and 413 were used for Industrial applications up until the end of Big Block production. They were in Dodge medium duty trucks, as well as generators, water pumps, forklifts, etc...... Fantastic engines 👌
@@johneckert1365I have seen and bought some parts from a 413 marine engine - it had the corresponding water jackets and inclined intake manifold ( to keep the carburetor level while the boat's bow was planing up).
The minor confusion about whether these engines ended in 1978 or 79 is likely because Chrysler filled warehouses with these in 1978 for use in the following year. The Trenton engine plant had the B series tooling removed to make room for newer engines for small cars. Those engines would be the A452 (2.2 liter ) and other variations like the never -built A453, which was a 3 valve version of the 2.2 liter engine. I worked in Chrysler engine development engineering until late 1979. I am enjoying your videos.
Thank you so much for sharing that insight =) Did you get to meet any big names like Virgil exner Elwood engle? I know they are designers Glad you dig this channel =)
I'm not a Mopar guy at all, but every Mopar with a 383 that I ever drove was a seriously fast car, including the land yacht New Yorkers. Fantastic engines. I also never liked the Beach Boys song where the FI Corvette beats a 413 Mopar. A 62 Dart with a 413 was an amazingly fast car. Finally, that Jensen in the photo is not an FF. FF stands for Ferguson Formula, an early AWD system. Jensen FFs had two of those vertical vent thingies between the door and the front wheel opening, and are extremely rare. (As an aside, there was a 66 Mustang built with a FF drive train. I've only seen pics of it). I had a customer in the mid 70's who had a regular Jensen Interceptor with 440 and it was very cool. He told me that he bought a house, and the car came with it! WYR: 70 Challenger and the Jensen, but that 63 300 is an absolutely beautiful car! As always, great info, and I learned a few things!
Did the Corvette win? I always thought the 413 won the race. Funny, you should mention that I got the opportunity to do both in a comparison episode, and I got so much flack for it, because evidently the beach boys were singing about a for 13 in a Dodge, but they say superstock in the song ram charger was Dodge superstock with Plymouth. I had a whole part explaining all of that at the end of the episode, but I decided to cut it out last minute. Thank you so much for the correction on the Jensen. I’ve never seen one, so I had no clue what it looked like. Sweet choices. Thank you so much for all the corrections and information. This was a hard engine episode to put together a lot harder than I thought it would be.
WYR the Challenger is such a classic that it was used as a styling base for the new ones. The Jensen FF was an English product not much seen here, but highly revered there. The Chrysler 300 cars were in the same vein of luxury tied with high performance. Tough choice but I'll go with the Jensen for it's conversation-starting obscurity. The later Mopar cars were more interchangeable than many realize, and the "K-frame" and torsion bars could be swapped to allow "A" to "B" (or backwards) engine changes, so this happened rather frequently allowing poorer hot rodders to buy a cheaper small-engine "A" car, then go to the junkyard and grab the "B" parts for a hop-up on a budget afterwards. Collectors always need to check serial numbers and production codes to know a car isn't one of these. Sort of a 'modular' design long before 'modular' became popular. Nothing new under the sun so they say...
All of the Virginia State Police cars used on Interstates during the late 1960s and early 1970s were lower-end Plymouth Furies (Fury I?) with 440 "Super Commando" V-8s. The cars had numerically low rear-end ratios that supposedly gave the cars top speeds of 140 MPH.
Mopar was killing it on the quarter mile track in the sixties. Factory race cars with big block engines, or A/FX big block/factory experimentals, were the hot ticket everybody wanted! Between Mopar, and Ford, they dominated everything! Now the price on one of those clone cars is just stupid! In my opinion the wedge engine run better than the hemi!
Hi Jay!: 'Ya know I love the engine episodes! I learn something new every time! I was familiar with all these engines, except for the 350 and 400. Somehow it escaped me that Chrysler Corp, Made those discpacements. WYR. . . .Hmmmmmm. . .going with Challenger on the first one, gonna' pick Jensen on the second, just too interesting!
As a MOPAR guy that steeps himself in the history of all the encompassed brands, going all the way back to the year 1900 when brothers John and Horace Dodge fpunded rhe company, producing engines, frames and orher parts for automotive manufacturers -- I seriously appreciate this video and the depth you go into about these engines.
Thank you potato joe it means a lot =) I love doing these engine episodes I learn a lot as well like where all the engines come from and different families Question do you know anything about GM northway engines Cadillac Oakland, and Viking V8 If you know any information on those engines, could you email me? What_its_like@yahoo.com
I have been waiting literally forever for you to have a 1963 or a 1964 Chrysler Newport, New Yorker or a 300. Very nice to see that 64 and hopefully you can find one for a full story on it in the future.
It sure was a radical change in engineering direction going from 392's to the B / RB series. I would imagine that 1959 was a frantic year operating the new engine plants and ramping down the old production lines . I read that Ed Donovan inquired about purchasing the drawings for the 392 in 1960 , he was told that nothing was saved , all gone. It took him 10 more years but eventually he did make his own ( 417 Donovan ). The RB block is much heavier than the block of a 392. The 392 and 413 ( 1959 ) actually weigh about the same . The B-RB block is an incredible piece of engineering without a doubt. Imagine if they had went with more of a Poly head design .
Got a disassembled "U" code and it's RB 727 HD if needed by someone over ther. I'm too old and decrepit now to play around with that stuff anymore.@@bigblockjalopy
Yeah Chrysler and ford are hard to do I honestly think Chrysler is harder to do than Ford, because their engine line is all over the place and they different engine, families that have the same displacements
Awesome choices I’ve never seen a facial Vega or Jensen in person. Someone requested a facial Vega last year come to find out the only made 190-ish of them so that’s kind of a tall order. I’m sure I’ll get to it one day.
Great episode, Possibly 2 errors, I think the diagram at 2:00 is wrong, I don’t recall the B or RB heads ever crossing the pushrod and valves, only the HEMI. Two I believe the heads were interchangeable with the Road Runner 383 B block using the 440 RB heads and cam. A bit better breathing. (EDIT read the text at 12:42!!). I have a good many books and magazines on the subject. My family would win most B/RB conversations, between my father & I in model year order: 65 Polara convertible 383, 66 Chrysler 300 convertible 383 4bbl, 67 Monaco wagon 383, 68 Monaco sedan 383 (my first car), 68 Newport convertible 383, 69 Newport Custom 383, 72 Monaco 400, 75 New Yorker 440, 76 Dodge Power Wagon 440, max 5 at one time. I worked at a gas station, my boss also had a collection of 383s and 440s in his cars. He had a 426 max wedge but blew it up before we met.
I could not find an engine cut away for the B series engine. That’s why I left all that stuff up there because it said it was a 361 Dodge. Generally I would get rid of that… But I was looking at that diagram as well that cut away I should say, and there was two things that I didn’t like about that cut away the the pushrods as you stated, and it looks like the oil pump was inside the engine Thank you so much for pointing those out.
"Smitty" was one of my high school friends. He, like me, was a committed VW fan. I had an '85 Scirocco Turbo, and he had a beautiful brown '79 Scirocco with low miles that would be a collectors item today. In any case, he wrecked the Scirocco and needed a car and a neighbor down the street had a '66 Plymouth Fury convertible that he didn't want anymore so Smitty bought the thing for $800. It was a beater, but it was red, it was a convertible, it had glass packs and it sounded good. Wasn't that fast but it had good pickup. We were trying to figure out what was under the hood, and came to the conclusion that it was a 383. It must have been, because it ate gas like Trump eats McDonalds~ -We went out for a drive one day in Bedford Township, Michigan and some spud in a Ford Escort cut us off. It was really stupid what that guy did, especially since that Plymouth didn't have the great brakes that Volkswagens had. Smitty gets next to him at a light "Hey Wally? You want your ass beat or something?" He says to the willowy kid in the drivers seat of the Ford. Smitty was a fat pig, 6'2 and 225 pounds, but he looked like a football player and the bad driver in the Escort just stared ahead and tried to ignore us. Back to the Plymouth: When we were riding in this car, I noticed that whenever Smitty got on it [which was every single green light], I heard a loud thunk from the front end. When he had the hood open, I examined the motor mounts and I was aghast to see that the drivers side appeared to be resting not on the motor mount, but on the log exhaust manifold itself! "Uhmm...Smitty? Are you seeing this? I think the manifold is sitting on the frame rail...." "Hmm. Yeah, maybe. Ask me if I give a shit about this car" I just kind of shook my head. That car needed a TON of work but it would have been a perfect restoration project. Guess what? He wrecked that car too.... Great video!
Thank you so much for sharing that awesome story I had friends like Smitty that couldn’t keep cars for whatever reason anytime they saw an obstacle in front of them. They just slam on the gas and think the insurance company was gonna give them a new car… I knew a guy that could go through cars like they were water. He never had a good vehicle because he just had to keep on cars every couple months. I don’t know I don’t get people like that. I’m all for buying a really cheap car and seeing how long it will last for not buying a really cheap car and hitting the first thing that I see .. lol big difference
If you want big block power for your Mopar project but can't find an engine at a good price start scouting for abandoned motor homes. 413 wedges were in a lot of them until 79.
The later 413 in motorhomes was an "industrial" engine. It had very different heads and waterpump housing arrangements. The short block is the same though, and uses a fantastic forged steel crankshaft. Regular automotive heads, water pump housing, etc, all bolt right onto the Industrial 413 (and 361). By the mid 70's alot of motorhomes came with 440's with regular automotive accessories (not industrial). Early ones had a forged steel crank but most unfortunately came with a cast steel crank. Still good bones to build off of though.
Operating on a circuit route carrying tourists or sightseers through Arlington National Cemetery there used to be bus like vehicles pulling trailer coaches at low speed. Not sure if they are still over there and if so the original ones. I think the tug which I remember as also carrying passengers was powered by a derated 440 powered by some compressed/liquefied gas such as propane or butane maybe some smaller version of the B/RB engine ? were some of the B/RB block engines lemons from the factory? When you got one of them that was put together right,and kept fed with good oil,coolant and gasoline that didn't detonate they seemed about indestructible. (Did some come with unusual coolant from the factory that needed to be completely flushed out before you added ordinary "green" drugstore prestone?) When these engines were in their heyday I think was also the time where a lot of bad oil that would varnish or sludge even when changed on schedule was being sold to the public. (Also a problem for everyone else' engines in that era)
In my humble opinion which won't buy you a cup of coffee anywhere. These were the best engines chrysler ever produced. Famed for power for the sleepers. The 361 fueled the hunger for more. If we had a 2000 pound machine to put it in allot of us would not be here. On which would we prefer 1970 cuda. Closer to the 2000 pound machine.
Good video Jay this one is a complicated one to follow I’m sure it was hard to research, thanks mopar 😂, I have been researching the 75 400 and it appears to be a underrated diamond in the ruff. For the world you rather I’ll take the Vega gt and the Jensen as they are beautiful and very rare and powerful 👍
This was a really hard one to do. I think that’s why I’ve been putting the Chrysler engines on sort of the side burner. We still have to do the LA and the elephant hemi 426 I’m sure there’s another engine family in there somewhere
Absolutely! Too many people hate the 400 because it was a low power dog, but that's just because of emissions at the time. It's dimensions give it amazing potential! Huge bore and a short stroke make it a screamer! Even with the stock low compression pistons, some good heads and manifolds, along with a good cam make a great engine ❤
For those that don't know, that Jensen was a British car that ran a 440. I imagine it was pretty hard to keep rubber on the rear unless it was weighted down.
I’ve been looking for one of those imperials it would be awesome to compare to a Cadillac of 59 Cadillac because everybody thinks the 59 Cadillac fins or the biggest fin. I think the imperial got them beat.
Rumors say It was demanded by Congress that Chrysler discontinue its Big Block V-8's in order to get the Federally Guaranteed Loans that Chrysler needed to get the K-Car into production. Otherwise, they would had kept them for their Trucks.
I never heard that, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Also, didn’t Dodge discontinue their D-Series trucks in ‘77, which most often were equipped with RB’s?
1:50 that's not a Wedge. Some incorrect info here. Some parts interchange between the 383 B and 383 RB. Heads, oiling system, exhaust manifolds, water pump hsg, fuel pump/ rod, camshaft. They are not completely different. And RB stands for raised block, not race block. These are the greatest, most reliable engines ever build. Esp. the B.
It said 361 Dodge, but it did not look like a wedge I could not find a wedge cut out It does say in the video that the RB is for raised block also discusses how the RB is 3/4 of an inch taller than the regular block
You took the words right out of my mouth. Besides the block, intake manifold, crank, pushrods, and pistons/rods, EVERYTHING else is interchangeable between the B and RB.
Not on the 383 you can’t use the pistons they are different as well as connecting rods and posh rods are also different it says nothing is interchangeable between the 383s might be able to use the heads
@@What.its.like. Nobody here said the pistons and rods interchange. Again, most of the parts interchange, except crank, rods, pistons, push rods, intake manifold and distributor. You can even run B intakes on RB engines with adapters, or RB distributors on B engines with an adapter. You can stroke the B using a RB crank. It is basically the same engine, just with a taller deck height and a smaller bore.
Everybody here that knows the movie would want Christine !! As a bonus, it would be nice to have a forever-young Alexandra Paul chained in the back seat …
Really complicated to understand all the nuances of these engines did the RB 383 come and go while the lower deck 383 continued to be produced? I believe some of the higher compression versions of these had cross bolts into the main bearing caps and upgraded and/or intrinsically balanced crankshafts? Does the famous but seldom seen second generation Hemi share mostly the RB block structure?
This was a really hard engine family to do. the way I understand it is the B (low block and RB we’re built at the same time as one another the 383RB golden lion is only found in the Windsor and Saratoga from 1959 and 1960.. While the B was in every thing else..) what gets me is why go through that much trouble to offer the 383 why not just give them a 413 and say it’s a 383
@@What.its.like.yes, build at the same time. The RB 383 was Chrysler only and ONLY in the 1959/60 model year. Plymouth Dodge and Desoto got the Low Deck (which is the better engine).
@@ColtonRMagby - You mean you don’t remember the cute-as-hell naked blonde gal riding the Honda 350 ?? That’s a high-point in the movie … I would have loved to be that Honda seat !!
@@What.its.like. Reading the comments below if you ever see a Facel or a Jensen in person especially the Jensen Interceptor you will love them, they have jaw dropping style, use to be a couple of interceptors running around Austin, and I saw a Facel 2 door at a car show in person and there is nothing like it, and I liked the styling so much, I didn't spend much time looking at the 65 Riveria next to it, and the 4 door Facel Vega looks so awesome to me it has the 57-58 Eldorado Brougham and the 61-69 Lincoln Continental beat, and with the same suicide door styling
I’m going to see if there’s anyway to cover one this year I would love to go to Hyman and cover some cars. He has a couple for sale. It’s just 8 1/2 hours away from here. Lol.
