Shaq smiling while Chuck makes his statement tells you how much he (Shaq) agrees with Chuck and/or how much he loves how Chuck calls out other networks' "experts".
Chuck callin out media trynna be buddy buddy with players. I REMEMBER he said back then he wanna "PUNCH DRAYMOND GREEN IN THE FACE" then dramond came into their show he was acting Biddy buddy with dray🤣
@@spelwurdsrite6756can Peabody buddy and still be critical. Charles Barkley and Draymond Green had a lot of fun with each other during the All-Star Game. But Chuck told Draymond I'll see you in the play in.
@@hylianlegends point still stands. From "I will punch him the face" to "sup? lol" Them media have their own relationships they wanna take care of because it will give them inside scoops.. same as Chuck being all buddy buddy with Draymond cuz Dray literally came to his own Show as guest. Same energy.
Thing is, it's a lot easier to fire one coach than to get rid of 15 players and start fresh. Same in any other sport. When a baseball team underperforms, it's easier to fire one manager than put 25 players on waivers.
@@dentonyoung4314That’s true and sometimes a coaching change helps a lot. But in the case for the Lakers, any time they underperformed people blamed Walton, Vogel, and Ham. There were issues with the structure of that team and firing Darvin Ham won’t really change that
Darvin's comments were clear post series; health was a factor, but the roster construction was another. They had no bench and were too AD/Bron reliant. Look at Dallas. 123-93 vs Clippers with Kyrie giving 14pts and 51 bench points. Lakers never had that. If the starters were not elite, they lost. This is MORE on Rob Pelinka. We could've had Ty Lue in 2019, but they didn't want to give him a 4 year deal. But they gave Darvin a 4 year deal. 🤦♂️
Hams schemes were atrocious. Runnin 2/3 guard line up....telling his players to leave people open on the 3 because they aren't known for hitting them,. Meanwhile bench players for other teams are having carrer record scoring nights. You people watch 2 Laker games and talk just to talk. Chuck saw 3 games this year and bumps his gums. All of you are casuals.
I can't stop laughing man. I swear Shaq is that one friend in school that's just waiting for you to say something, so he has an excuse to laugh his ass off 😂
Hes right, when a team wins we praise the players for "going off" and "cooking" and yet when a team loses we blame the coaches? At the end of the day the players have to deliver
They lucky they move away Russ getting DLO, rui, vincent, taurean, woods etc. Those are solid players but still having lebron the culture is if lakers win credit to lebron when lose blame someone else, Lerbon stats is good in paper, but his lack of defense or even boxing out bigs is so lazy he needs to retire badly
@@joeymanny solid role players but nowhere to be found in the playoffs? stop it they just got exposed darvin ham just couldn't make the proper rotation and it costs them a long time ago
@@joeymannyGood role players? Lmao Rui and DLo are the only relevant names you mentioned and they were HELLA inconsistent against the Nuggets. The fact is, LeBron was the third best player in the playoffs but outside of AD, the Lakers had no consistency.
LA was up 68% of the time, you telling me Darvin Ham couldn't adjust to win the series, it may not be Ham's fault but he sure didn't help, LA had Vando available for last game, he could've subbed in all defense players when LeBron was at the FT
Things Chucks is probably right about: 1. Absolutely, roster construction, including coach selection, is way more on front offices/owners than it is on anyone else. 2. Vogel and Ham have the unenviable positions of being coaches that are newer to their respective teams, and have to win now, so no development time. Other things to consider: 1. We can separate playoff and regular season performances and talk honestly about mistakes made during each. 2. The roster construction Vogel has had to deal with is probably as bad as Chuck makes it out to be. 3. In spite of doing pretty well in the playoffs in terms of rotations, in spite of some questionable timeout usage on the floor, Ham also started Reddish and Prince for like 12 games this season, giving each around 35 minutes of play. Getting guys minutes to develop them cause you believe in them and want to build their confidence can be good coaching, but doing so in a must win setting during the regular season where seeding can become really important is probably not wise. That being said, hiring newer coaches that are still learning for must win situations is 100% on cheap ownership and misinformed/foolish front offices.
Very good response. Ham is still a rookie head coach and he is still learning. I have no clue why rob and jeanie thought it would be fruitful to hire him, when this team is in “win now” mode.
Chuck is right, Im LMAO hearing the blame game and throwing people under the Bus, where in fact Nuggets is the better team , ESPN should focus on how Nuggets closing out lakers in every 4th qtr of this series which lakers lack of
It's not Darvin Ham fault. He probably didn't got the roster he wanted, had to follow what LeBron wanted all the time and also had to go to work knowing the players wanted him out. He did the best he could do with these guys
Darvin ham still made countless mistakes with defensive gameplanning and offense gameplanning as well. Mike malone coached circles around darvin. The only game where mike malone did awful job was in game 4. I have no clue why mike decided not to stick with aaron gordon on AD in the second half. It worked and Darvin still didn’t have an answer for it. Nevertheless, darvin showed why he is not a “hell of a coach”.
@@pavlegrebenarevic382not Darvin’s fault. Lakers need to trade LeBron and get assets in return to build around AD. That would put Darvin Ham in a better opportunity without worrying about the extraness that comes with LBJ.
I understand if Chuck said Ham doesn’t deserve any hate but to say he’s a hell of a coach? Nahhh lmao 1. He’s gotta be trolling or 2. He doesn’t watch Lakers games 😭😭😭
I think he simply overgeneralised. Look at the context instead of trying to pick the statement apart due to one inaccuracy. Darvin Ham is an inexperienced coachand every coach at some point makes mistakes YET they get the overproportionate amount of hate for it because the front offices don’t want to risk their players being unhappy, because Stephen A and JJ Redick want those stars to like them for interviews or to join them on a podcast episode, it is quite frankly a conflict of interest that we see only in the basketball world. It would be more accurate to criticise the front offices and maybe even certain players for meddling with the team and in some cases even openly failing to do their own job.
@@s0uldr4ke31 i think it is the FO fault for even considering darvin ham. He was brought in as a players coach. You need a x’s and o’s guy. A coach who is good at coming up with solutions to problems on the fly. I agree with you on how Chuck worded it.
Charles is right…Milwaukee is another great example. They used Griffin as a scapegoat to ignore the obvious failure of the front office to construct a roster that makes sense. The Lakers & Suns rosters are horribly constructed.
Say what you want about the Lakers but the Nuggets are a freaking buzzsaw and it's tough for anyone to beat them. It's not like the Lakers got swept or blown out every game.
@@ROSH1503 The Lakers lost because they weren't smart enough to deliberately lose the first play-in game to get on the opposite side of the bracket from Denver. If they do that they have a good chance to make the conference finals (and lose to Denver.)
I like Chuck but Darvin Ham is a terrible coach. Vogel's actually a good coach. Dont forget about Rob Pelinka though, he ruined the teams future with the Westbrook trade. He's gotta go.
It’s actually the own teams blaming the coach from ad and bron to Beal and kd ain’t no one hearing what the media say. Organizations listen to the players and bow down to them
TnT Inside Guys is the truest basketball commentary on TV, Chuck is spittin, before blaming the coach, blame the front office first, they assembled the team and paid or over paid talents, the Coaches are making do of what they have.
Bro, ham is not the sole reason lakers lost but jeepers some coaching decisions were pretty sketchy. Even just the last part of the game, its close with 3 minutes to go and you call your last time out... Lots of things went wrong including missed ft which is not ham fault, but 3 seconds is plenty to get a quality look for the final play.
@@tubbylemon If they didn't challenge that, it would be 2 FT for Jokic. So, would the Lakers even get to the point where they can call timeout to tie or win the game?
I agree with chuck about not blaming frank vogel, but darvin ham had lebron, AD, spencer dinwiddie, D'Angelo russell, and a host of good role players like hachimura and reaves. I'd say that's enough hall of famers and supporting talent for a coach to have a play in team.
but you forgot they are going against Denver. The NBA Champs and better than them. What are you talking about. It's not Ham's fault Lebron miss that open 3 in Game 2. That series might have been game 7 if not for clutch Jamal Murray! So all of you those who thinks they knew better than Ham should be a NBA coach. So stop complaining if your team loses
@deequi77 ham is responsible for making adjustments, he never did throughout the season or playoffs, his rotations are trash as well, no coach in the nba would've started prince over rui, even before he got hurt, ham continued to throw out trash 3 guard lineups with Bron or to rui at the center position
@@CBoogie91 ohh common that's what if. We are not having this conversation if lakers won Game 2 and those close games. So stop. This is denvers time right now.
Completely right about the Suns. They had no Point Guard until disabled Isaiah Thomas joined the team at the end of the season. Booker and Beal never played point and are not natural creators. When the sun's did that 3 team deal to trade away Ayton, I'm surprised they didn't get any of the guards Portland had.
Chuck just watches the highlights. Ham don’t be coaching tho. Can’t even properly call a timeout or get their rotations right. 😂😂😂 Don’t even have a proper game plan aside to leave wide open the least likely to make a shot on the opposing team.. then there’s no in game adjustments from him as well. 🤷♂️
Casual did you see AD, Dlo and especially lebron Listen to Ham. Lebron is a known coach killer, he got 9 fired coaches already just to be a scapegoat., thats how terrible lebron is, his my way or highway style of play will never let a coach do his thing
I mean harden’s playoff stats are better than like over 90% of nba players. His elimination game stats are also better than the likes of Wade and Kobe Bryant. It’s just more magnified for him cuz he has 0 rings which is a team accomplishment
These comments sound familiar. In regards to the Lakers: Every coach for the Lakers - aside from maybe Phil Jackson - has been heavily criticized as not a good coach due to rotations, timeouts, substitutions, or whatever: Mike Brown, Mike D’Antoni, Byron Scott, Frank Vogel, and now Darvin Ham. Maybe it’s the players (like Chuck mentioned) who are not good for the team. It could be both coaches and players, but coaches seem to get criticized more often and more heavily, especially new head coaches to the NBA game (e.g., David Blatt, Stephen Silas, Adrian Griffin, now Darvin Ham). 🏀
Fans criticize the coach because they don’t know what else to criticize. You have to think about how ridiculous it is to criticize the coach when you’re not even on the team. We don’t know what plays are being run, we don’t know what he’s saying in the huddle, we don’t know their practice habits, we don’t know anything. It’s just meaningless chatter.
@@reimixo My comment is about fans. I didn’t say anything about the players criticizing their own coach. Now if you’re talking about formers players then they are just like us on the outside looking in with limited information.
This is a weird take considering after Chuck went to the Rockets he definitely said the Suns didn't get back to the Finals because of Paul Westphal's coaching.
Pelinka do need to go & Ham cause he just not a good coach! It’s been several games where Reaves, Rui got hot & he sat them down! You don’t never take the hot player out the game & again he just not a good coach! Fire Ham & hire Rondo!
Matt Ishbia assembled that garbage ass suns team and expects Frank Vogel to win gold. Rob Pelinka has been assembling the right teams (other than trading all the core Bubble team like Kuz, KCP, Caruso away) but Darvin Ham has been botching the leads by not adjusting properly on defense. Why dont we switch the coaches and bring back Vogel just like the bubble 😉 I wouldnt mind hiring coach Budenholzer either
Bad thing about the Vogel situation is he reportedly told the front office the team needed at least a serviceable point guard and was basically ignored. Guess ownership just thought having KD, Booker and Beal out there would allow them to outscore their opponents every single game.
Frank Vogel is a good coach, nobody would get that roster past the first round. KD thinks he can play GM and tries forming a team full of iso players and no depth. Vogel was the scapegoat for the lakers after the Westbrook trade and now he is here
There’s levels to coaching just like with players. To say having Mike Malone isn’t a huge advantage is more disrespectful to him than saying Darvin ham sucks in comparison. To be an nba coach at all you have to be a very high level coach but it’s the same thing as 15th man players, just bc they would absolutely bust 99.99999% of people on any court doesn’t mean they can compete with the nba all stars or even roll players on an nba court
This goes in hand with what shaq says..the player gotta get himself going, the coach can only do so much. Agree with chuck 100%, it’s the players that couldn’t win
I do believe Frank Vogel and Darvin Ham are legitimately good coaches. I just hope they both get into better situations that suits their coaching philosophies.
Darvin is a not a good coach (right now). It has been proven with film. Frank is a proven head coach and this suns disaster is much more of a FO issue rather than a coaching issue. I view 90 percent roster construction and 10 percent coaching issue (for the suns).
The GM blew this roster up. We had Caruso and KCP and also we played AD at the 4 and had a real center at the 5. Overreacted after Suns loss in 2021 because of injury and traded for Westbrick. Blew Bron’s title chances!
