CINE EI explained EASY 

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Seriously though. This was the best way to explain it simply. Well done, Max.

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hahah thank you! I just moved into a new home, now more videos are coming! 🥳

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Glad it was helpful! Yeah! next goal is 5k, but its not about the numbers, only for my personal motivation! 😁

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Actually a great idea! give some time, ill make one!

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Hi buddy! You're right! its enough for 90% of all kind of content... If you only knew what I've seen even on expensive movie sets... 😂

@@maxsautner I believe it was the James Bond movie Skyfall where the DoP, Roger Deakins, became angry when he learned that the 2nd unit had simply raised the EI to 2000 to adjust their exposure (perhaps for high speed)

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Amazing to hear! See u in the next one!

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uhh, good question, as far, as I know, you can decide, if the cam gives you the clean feed or with the internal lut. (But not sure..)

FX3 native iso ist 800 & 12.800, try to use only those two, to get the lowest noise and most dynamic range of the sensor.

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No, ISO ist the sensitivity and CINE EI is a way to expose the image. When you're in CINE EI mode, you can switch between 800 and 12800 ISO, to make the image brighter. CINE EI is an exposure option. I have produced another example video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ol5Kq8_8_1s.htmlsi=D0jiywyi10CF45_z

Sony FX3 has zebras, u have to set them up properly and turn on. I programmed my zebras to a custom button to switch them on & off

Get a light meter bro use exposure compensation at +2 and use the EI value as the iso in your meter

That's right. Image quality is the same. Only thing is that with EI the post processing (turn down exposure) is safe in the metadata of the clip file and with some programs automatically adjusted

Yep! that's right. Just a more pleasant and save workflow 🤷🏻‍♂️

You mean the Slog vs s-Cinetone? S-Cinetone is a picture profile, and CINE EI is a way to expose S-Log3...

We went with Slog and Rec 709 and they matched up beautifully.@@maxsautner

that's a great idea! I´ll plan that one! stay tuned!

You have to have a MLUT (Monitor LUT applied to your EVF ) usually this would be s709 or the older 709 (800) MLUT .. then the image will be darker , if you lower the EI value . eg 800 to 400 (1 stop) you see this and then open up your iris / apply more light etc , to make the image properly exposed . You are burning in an exposure off set intentionally and uniformly , in this case over exposing by 1 stop , without having to have a one stop over exposed image in your EVF ,as you would just be over exposing 1 stop. It's like how you would use a light metre and film . Film can says 800IE on the label , you set your meter to 400EI because you like to over expose it 1 stop for this scene / shot. Sony have adopted this same work flow with their version of EI mode.

Yep, u have to turn on the MLUT on your monitor

Yeah, sadly... this would also help a lot of editors, cause they are also "colorists" most of the time... and u often see overexposed or not correctly normalised footage..

I’m not sure what you mean. When I open Resolve, the EI values are retained/shown. I have to go to “Camera Raw” and choose “Decode Clip>Sony default to return the Exposure to the base ISO setting.

Yep! Exactly

200EI Helps expose 2 stops over use

yep, exactly

Since I got a TON of similar requests, I'll make a live example while shooting and editing it afterwards. Stay tuned!

Yes! U got it! 👊😎 Just overexposing for more shadow information in order to kill the noise, but still have a normal preview on the monitor..

In darker shots I go 2 stops down = EI 200

Hahaha I just searched the link to my other one, and saw your edited comment. 🤟😁 But yeah, 41 is right buddy

thank you!

Hi man! Flexible ISO is FLEXIBLE iso 😁 that means, you can switch flexible between the values. in cine ei u can only switch between 800 and 12800 iso.

Flexible ISO is not EI mode , its just like normal baking in a higher / lower ISO .. EI is not ISO , this is one of the main points EI is exposure index , its been around for years in film as this is how you would set you light metre , from what the manufacturer recommended on the can. And then set your meter to higher or lower EI if you wanted to under / over expose the film . But flexible ISO still has the two base ISO levels for the gamma curve you are using as per Sonys recommendation anyway . S cinetone dual ISO is not the same Slog. And also changes between different Sony cameras .

no not really... but I have a lot of requests... I´ll make a video with an example setup and editing it afterwards. subscribe and give me some weeks!

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I'll make some RED vids very soon! just got a sponsor for red cameras! super excited about!

Didn't think of that, thought it was logical...

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Hey! Yes! the footage looks normal exposed in the monitor but recorded overexposed on purpose.

@@maxsautner Yes I get that, but is there a possibility thaI record them clipped highlights but they were still visible on the monitor during the shoot?

@@JimibobThun yes. If you lower your EI, you could potentially be clipping highlights but it’s hard to tell on the monitor.

Oh yeah! it is! but try at home first, bevor on a client job! 🤓

Right! Now DaVinci does it automatically, which makes the workflow and editing much easier!

what do u mean? in the lower right corner is the waveform monitor...

Thank you! I made the zoom in & out on a adjustment layer so I can always copy and reuse them. I“ll make a video about my workflow soon! Stay tuned!

@@maxsautner Looking forward to the next one!

hm, strange... Does the EI value change when you flip the switch?

Same here...

Thank you! See you in the next one!

Yes, exactly. It always records in the chosen native ISO, but the monitor shows you the final image after post. Just try it @ home, once u have done it, its funny how simple it is...

Exactly, you change the monitor brightness only > image appears too dark > you correct it with exposure. And in the monitor, you see how it'll look later after pulling down the intentionally overexposed footage. Actually very very simple, but this topic is hard to explain in a "simple" way.. But I´m glad, that u got it! 😎

@@maxsautner yea I think what people struggle with is, why is this important? like people get what's happening but they aren't sure why it needs to be used. Thanks though keep up the good work sub from me

a better way to think about it is cine ei are just LUTS. They are labeled dumb. so you have to remember which one is better if you have a lot of highlights and which is better if you have a lot of shadows. i think? i only have a sony a7iv so cant shoot cine ei yet. but i feel like its no different than me having multiple luts in my monitor and i use the 2+ stops lut if there are a lot of shadows and the 0+ if there are a lot of highlights. And dont change the iso away from the base iso's.

I found it the easiest way to understand

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Hey buddy! which numbers exactly?

Genau, du stellst ISO zwischen 800 und 12800 ein, Shutter bleibt auf 180 grad oder das doppelte deiner framerate, dann bleibt dir noch die Blende, ND und dein Licht setup zum belichten. Viel Erfolg! 🤙

😂 yyyyyeah...

Hi buddy, my settings are set to this: ISO 800 - High 800 (no overexposure), Mid 400 (1 stop overexposure), Low 200 (2 stops overexposure) ISO 12,800 - High 12,800 (no overexposure), Mid 6,400 (1 stop overexposure), Low 3,200 (2 stops overexposure)

watch over again and build a test setup and try step by step! It's easier than u think.

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@@maxsautner hab früher bei cadolzburg und Schwabach gewohnt, aber mittlerweile bin ich in marktredwitz

@@MIMCKMedia Ja geil! Wenn ich ein Auto zum filmen brauch, meld ich mich bei dir! 😁

Cine EI is a function for controlled overexposure, to prevent noise in low lit environments. Outdoors, you normally let the ISO and the CINE EI at the same value (800), to remain most dynamic range.

@dragonflymediageraldton5655 In sunlight you can do the opposite: due to the excess of light, you can, this time, control underexposure to increase tonal range in midlights and highlights. Set your Exposer-Index, say, to 2 stops underexpose for monitoring (e.g. resulting in 3200 ISO for a native ISO of 800). In order to get your exposure right (middle grey at 41% or whatever) in this condition (3200 ISO monitoring), you will have to let less light get in, so you will add 2 stops of ND or go from 360º shutter speed to 45º (remember that you are only changing ISO for monitoring: the camera is always recording in native ISO (e.g. 800) when you record raw or in EI mode for log). The effect of adding 2 stops of ND (or go from 360º shutter speed to 45º) is that you effectively get less light reach the sensor. You did this knowing that in post you will raise the exposure (roughly the equivalent from native 800 to 3200), so you will get proper exposure in post but with the benefit of having lowered your mid grey point during camera recording, which means that your scene has more stops of dynamic range above the mid grey than if you didn't do that. In a high key scene this is desirable because there is more information in the section above mid grey and that means you capture a better range of details there (mid lights and highlights). In this video Tyler Edwards explains how he uses this technique in full sunlight. You can clearly see the effect on the highlights in the t-shirt scene. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Exl5d1tiNeA.html

Wäre einfacher, aber ich möchte mich nicht nur auf den D-A-CH Raum limitieren. 🤓

Nein wäre es nicht. Mach weiter so. 😉

I have made a second video about cine ei in a real example, maybe this helps u better: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ol5Kq8_8_1s.html

@@maxsautner Thanks for the video! The problem is that I know all that and I never use it, because it limits me a lot. I have FS7 and FS5 MK2 and I am familiar with this crap. Thats why now I switch to Panasonic s5IIx/