Cine EI on The Sony FX30 - A Beginners Guide

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Cine EI is a feature native to the Sony FX line, and the FX30 is no different, for a camera that's a bit more on the budget side, new filmmakers might be a little confused by cine ei , which we're going to cover in this video!
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@dockanfilms Год назад

awesome video/tutorial man! Really convincing me that the fx30 is a great camera all around and it really comes down to understanding how to use it properly.

@KofiYeboah Год назад

It’s incredibly powerful if used properly

@starttofinishmediaco.2520 10 месяцев назад

Yo this video is amazing! explained it all so clearly and then showed us the practical applications! thx

@KofiYeboah 10 месяцев назад

Thanks!!

@noahsimmons22 Год назад

Dude this video is a lifesaver. Thank you so much man. I love your content!

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Thank you 🙏🏾 I appreciate it 💯

@Clapiiin Год назад

Great video! Very informative, was kinda confused on cine ei and definitely feel confident after watching this!

@KofiYeboah Год назад

That’s great!!🙏🏾

@AJMac1 Год назад

Oh, you just flat-out gave the juice! Appreciate the video and insight.

@KofiYeboah Год назад

🙌🏾 bless you brother

@Ronbc000 Год назад

A life saver, great info. Thank you. 👍

@KofiYeboah Год назад

No worries n

@Filmedbylamar Год назад

Hey bubba, so let’s say I’m outside in daylight, I’m using base 800 & my EI value to 200, do I still mess with the iris and nd filter to get it to +1.7 2.0?? I’ve watched your video 5 times now I think I’m slowly getting it lol, I wanna learn all this before buying the fx30

@WasionKey Год назад

youve become my go to for all things fx30

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Now I must deliver 🙏🏾🙏🏾

@yujgkjhjk Год назад

Thank you or clarifying Cine EI. I've been using my two FX30s on paid jobs for the last 3 weeks and really didn't understand the purpose of Cine EI and was forced to stick with Flexible ISO. The penny dropped however when I realised that while EI values looked just like ISO values on the camera's LCD they were not ISO values at all; in fact with Cine EI, the two native base ISOs were represented by the letters L and H because there are no other ISO values available under Cine EI. I think a lot of people are falling under that same missconception because the EI numbering system uses the same values as ISO (I'm sure there's a reason for that). If EI used numbers in the tens instead of hundreds and thousands it would be less confusing. Anyhow, based on that, if you use Flexible ISO, and stick with just the two native ISO values of 800 and 2500, wouldn't that be the same as using Cine EI or are there other benefits?

@marionquesneau 4 месяца назад

Wait what?! Can you explain more about the number of the EI? I’m about to never use this mode with my new cameras

@jasonmulikita 6 месяцев назад

Very helpful! Thanks bro 👊

@KofiYeboah 6 месяцев назад

No problem !

@Wizlume 4 месяца назад

Just picked up the FX30! Really about to step up the game on my content

@KofiYeboah 4 месяца назад

congratulations!

@Marco-zp7nb 10 месяцев назад

Hi Kofi, thanks for this video. On 0:47 you showed us the screen of the fx30. In which vodec do you film? I can only set 24 fps in the DCI-4K Codec. Otherwise I have to arrange with 23,98 ect.

@KofiYeboah 10 месяцев назад

This was before the firmware update so I’m just in 16:9

@jkingwhistler Год назад

Thanks , great video. Just to confirm if we are only using just the FX30 camera monitor with the preview (not baked in) Rec709 Lut installed, we set the Zebra to 44 IRE though. 41 if only viewing directly S-log?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

pretty much ! thats your regular exposure you can also use 66% on white I believe

@514Shoots Год назад

Thanks for this video! If I’m in a low light situation and ei 2500 isn’t enough to get my mm to +1.3 or 1.7, what are my options for the cleanest possible image? I’m using Fx30

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Use lights 👍🏾

@Idrisaleshinloye Год назад

Keep it coming Fam.

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Course I will!

@elmono3939 7 месяцев назад

Very cool ! Thank you for sharing !

@KofiYeboah 7 месяцев назад

Thank you!🙏🏾👊🏾

@StoryPartnersFilms 2 месяца назад

Can you tell me if this is correct? You only have 2 Base ISOs that you can choose from in Cine EI. When changing the EI values in your camera you're not actually changing anything with the exposure of your real image file... it only changes how you see the image in your monitor. The reason to adjust your EI values are only for you to see how to adjust the exposure through lighting, ND, or Aperture, So if you want clean shadows you lower your EI value. This darkens the scene in your monitor and you realize you need to bring in more lights for your subject to be properly exposed because everything has gotten darker. Then when you bring this footage into your grading software all looks overexposed. But you'll just bring down the exposure to correctly expose your subject and your shadows will be clean! Is this correct?

@viewfindermedia3188 Год назад

Thank you for the great info. I just picked up my camera. Going to look at all your videos but the first day of what memory card do you use to get 120 frames per second.

@KofiYeboah Год назад

That’s in a video for literally 36 hours from now 😂

@viewfindermedia3188 Год назад

@@KofiYeboah that’s cool I’ll wait for that one 👍🏼

@reeceoconnor 3 месяца назад

Great video!

@KofiYeboah 3 месяца назад

Thanks !!

@WarParadox Год назад

sounds complicated but it is kind of simple i think maybe im wrong haha, cine ei lets you over or underexpose your image to favour highlights or shadows, so it only lets you know the latitude you have to not ruin your image, it could be said for example that even you shot your image at 800iso (base) your giving kind of the equivalent of a 400iso image for example in post by moving your exposure but it ends up cleaner in the areas you want, than if actually was shot at 400iso in camera?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Sorta on the right track yeah?

@EugenBrinzoiu Год назад

Thank you for your time….great content and new subscriber.

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Thanks appreciation to you !😁

@margaretisolan9189 6 месяцев назад

I still don’t get it 😅 By changing your EI value you don’t change your exposure. So what are you changing then besides the “brightness “ of your camera monitor?

@1panomotion847 Год назад

thank you for the knowledge Kofi

@KofiYeboah Год назад

You’re welcome !

@nyambe Год назад

Great info! BTW You want to get that blown up look without actually blowing up your highlights, higher than base ISO ie are very useful. It lets you determine in post how much detail you want in that background

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Hard part is that shadow noise esp on an apsc sensor could get dodgy when you go above the base iso 🥲

@MauricioBoteroPh Месяц назад

Thank you man!

@KofiYeboah Месяц назад

No problem!

@StudioSensei Год назад

Great practical info.. 🙏🏽💜

@KofiYeboah Год назад

I hope so 🙏🏾🫡

@StudioSensei Год назад

@@KofiYeboah Yeah out of the many videos I've watched on this subject, this may have helped the most. Especially the info about not shooting with a higher EI than the current base ISO.. Makes a lot of sense.

@BigPhilTheDirector 7 месяцев назад

How you doing? What are the cleanest or usable isos for Scinetone in the FX 30?

@BigPhilTheDirector 7 месяцев назад

More so over the base limits of 100-400, what are the highest isos that are safe?

@PremiumGearDK Год назад

Just Camre across this Channel today - 🔥 Content 💪

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Thanks !!🙏🏾✊🏾

@KennethMoore-Media 17 дней назад

Thanks Kofi! Just curious what lens did you use for the girl on the couch? Looks great!

@KofiYeboah 16 дней назад

the Sony 20mm f1.8!

@christofferren9057 Год назад

I am curious on how to use catalyst browse to how to adjust ISO to get the right exposure in running gun situations. I do not want to manually change the exposure but instead access the metadata. I’m guessing this is possible. Can you make a video on that. Explaining the workflow? I’m guessing we will see a better picture quality doing it this way instead of using flexible ISO in camera. 🤔

@KofiYeboah Год назад

That’s not how catalysts browse works , you can use it to convert your EI exposed log footage to rec.709 and prep it that way , but also I almost never use it , I’d feel slightly like I’m lying if I pretended I did all the time , then again Cine ei isn’t going to fix picture quality (directly) but a better exposed image will likely look better than one that isnt

@Kaotix_music 3 месяца назад

CINE EI was weird for me at first....then I understood it compeltely. Its to keep you at Base ISO, and you just lower the ISO with the s709 LUT "ON" to see what your shot will look like once you lower your exposure in post (but youre shooting at BASE ISO, regardless of what the EI is and what your monitor shows). People say that hate it, but I love using it. Especially if i monitor myself with Monitor and Control app because you can change your exposure index and apply s709 on the app (which is awesome). Only thing that sucks is you cannot use this if you record to your Atomos Ninja. If I am behind the camera, I actually just use the Alester Chapman -2 stops offset exposure "Venice" luts both in camera and one he made for the Ninja and its amazing. I just dont even check the multimeter or waveforms anymore. If it looks good on the monitor? I KNOW its gonna look amazing in post. Also....lets get this man to 30k subs please!!

@KofiYeboah 3 месяца назад

thanks! I ended up making my own, and all though metering is a great start, I personally prefer false colour with my CINE Ei :D ahaha so close, 2 more!

@Khkurk 4 месяца назад

In a low light environment, should we be using the higher 2500, or lower 800 of the base ISOs? And once we do, we lower the EI to focus on on the shadow details?

@KofiYeboah 4 месяца назад

ideally, don't shoot in the pitch black ( check any of 3 low light videos), 2500 Iso works in a pinch, but adjust expectations on noise level!

@chaochewei6213 Год назад

great content and substantial informations. futher, I ws wondering why there's much more green colour while using cineEI than using regular flexible ISO?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

That’s the ND 😅

@chaochewei6213 Год назад

@@KofiYeboah sry, I didn’t make it clear . I’ve been using my Fx30 a few days. I found acolour difference when switching between flexible ISO mode and cine Ei mode.Ty! I’m sure whether it’s a malfunction on my machine.

@KofiYeboah Год назад

@@chaochewei6213 OOOOH I’ve never had that I thought you just meant my footage , that is weird

@chaochewei6213 Год назад

@@KofiYeboah Tysm!

@maximilianyuen Год назад

just bought fx30 and new to cine ei, very helpful on practical level on how to start exposing it properly without overwhelming info.

@KofiYeboah Год назад

I tried to make it digestible haha , thanks !

@Sweatmonkey513 Год назад

@@KofiYeboah hey man thanks for explaining Cine ei again good job..

@Sweatmonkey513 Год назад

@@KofiYeboah do u still have the red Komodo

@KofiYeboah Год назад

@@Sweatmonkey513 no that was just a month rental while my fx6 was away

@Sweatmonkey513 Год назад

@@KofiYeboah okay thanks which u think is better Fx3 or red Komodo?

@Adam.Hughes Год назад

I thought I understood CineEI but I'm less sure now. So just to clarify - if 800 ISO isn't bright enough, I should go to 12800 ISO (on my FX3) and use ND to bring it down?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Only if 12,800 is blowing out your image , nd is just used to bring things back in since you have 2 choices 800 might be too low ,12,800 might be too high, you’re better off bringing over exposure down, than under , up so 12,800 with nd could work

@Psarogiannis 4 месяца назад

Thank you very much for your beautiful and informative video. I have the Sony FX30 and I don't want to edit the color on my computer because it eats up my time. I want to edit my video with the original colors produced by the camera with Luts. I mostly use picture profile 3. Please tell me if there is a reason to use Cine El or S log 3 or they are useless to me since I don't edit colors on the computer. Thank you very much!!

@KofiYeboah 4 месяца назад

Cine ei is an exposure tool, not a color one! If you want to imbed luts into footage , awesome!

@Psarogiannis 4 месяца назад

@@KofiYeboah I have been a filmmaker for forty years. I have worked with Arriflex 235 35mm film camera. In the old days we corrected the exposure with the aperture and the speed, or by lighting our subject, trying to balance the lighting. And our shots were all coming out right. We had no tolerance for dynamic rage. This is what I still try to do today with modern cameras. For example, if I have a person in the shadow and behind him there is some overlit subject, I simply illuminate the person with a reflector. This way I never had overexposed or underexposed shots. And in the old days we always tried to get the right shot so as not to waste money on the film processing labs which cost too much!! Anyway, thank you very much for the explanation you gave me.

@RKKY-mf7fe 2 месяца назад

Very close to getting the fx30. EI exposure theory sounds very similar to exposing for BRaw. But I was this camera had false colour.

@KofiYeboah 2 месяца назад

I just use a monitor tbh

@marionquesneau 4 месяца назад

Hey Kofi, we are new to the FX3 and FX30, and we plan to shoot for a client with these two cameras. We need two cameras on the shoot. I understand with your video that the CINE EI on the FX30 is not exactly similar as the one on the FX3? It’s so overwhelming for us beginners in slog 3. Also I’ve watch 100 videos about CINE EI and I still don’t understand what’s the point of changing the EI (200/400/800 etc) if you won’t have the change on your final image?! I mean, why??? Isn’t that all the point of recording a video 😂 please someone explain.

@slangdoll Год назад

New subscriber here and I think I heard you are in Toronto, COOL! I'm coming from a Blackmagic background so its normal for me to lower the ISO from the base if I want to get more juice in the shadows when I don't have anything that is bright in the scene, like moody interiors. When I'm outside, I typically raise the ISO above the base a bit for more details in the sky and such. ANYWAY, This is what I'm still trying to wrap my head around with Sony (new FX30 user). Is Cine EI just a safety net for people that don't quite know how they shift their dynamic range when adjusting the ISO above or below base values? In other words, is Flexible ISO working the same way I'm used to (lower ISO values = more dynamic range in the shadows and higher ISO values = more dynamic range in the highlights? THEN you don't have to adjust your exposure in post, you have already decided the best ISO for the scene and exposed for it in camera? Is that right? THANKS!!

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Sort of! But even easier than that because it’s just the ISOs at 800 and 12,800, you’re essentially moving around the 15 stops via your aputure, nd and lighting to get the most DR possible and cleaner image

@slangdoll Год назад

@@KofiYeboah It’s really interesting! I’ll have to do my own testing. 90% of the time I’m only using my lights to adjust exposure because I’ll have a shutter locked in and an aperture setting I don’t want to stray from and the ISO of course, picked based where I want to shift my range around middle gray. I’m not using ND in this scenario where I’m indoors. So yeah, if lowering your ISO shifts the stops of DR to favour the low end more, and you don’t use Cine EI as an exposure guide but you use Flexible ISO as an actual real dynamic range adjustment and expose to that properly in camera, you’d think that it’s the best way. If 800 iso gives you the most range above and below middle gray but you know you don’t need anywhere near that amount above, it makes sense to me to lower the ISO and expose to that rather then shoot at an iso that you know doesn’t favour your exact scene then you left yourself with post production work to properly expose and if I’m not colouring myself, this is an extra step I need to worry about making a note. This is where it gets dicey for me about Sony. When it comes to the next gain stage/base ISO for the high (2500), this is the point it switches. So it’s already the lowest ISO for the second base. See, for Blackmagic pocket 6k the base ISO values are 400 and 3200 but it actually switches to the second gain stage at 1250. So when I start at 3200 and I want more range in the shadows, I lower my base ISO towards 1250 but in the case with Sony, you can’t lower the value from 2500 or you enter the first gain stage again. It’s these little differences I’m trying to wrap my head around haha. So for Sony, maybe 800 iso really is the cleanest in the lows and the only way to get the best image is to stay at 800 and use Cine EI to expose and adjust in post but I need to know the way Sony works is that 800 really is the best for dark shots and you need to raise exposure in post production OR if you really do lower the noise floor by reducing the ISO in camera with flexible.

@AllThingsFilm1 Год назад

When you're changing the EI amount at the bottom of the viewer, what setting are you changing? The ISO or the aperture?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Neither , the iso doesn’t change with Ei , but you can readjust exposure using aperture, ND or lighting

@AllThingsFilm1 Год назад

@@KofiYeboah Thank you!

@andrewscot5204 Год назад

I just discovered you a few weeks ago and I’m loving your Content… keep it coming! So I have a question and it may seem dumb and although I am not new to filming or using slog3, I’m still a bit confused, even after this video, about exposure, and ISO values for Cine EI. You and others have said that changing the ISO values doesn’t change anything as far as what’s “baked in“ to your file, yet you’re saying that changing your ISO value higher or lower, will help either your highlights or shadows. This is what confuses me. Does changing the ISO value change what’s “baked in“ or doesn’t it? Does this make sense?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

changing your CINE EI values on their own wont change anything , your Cine EI and your ISO are totally different, ie you can have 400EI and 800ISO at the same time, if I go 200EI, 1600EI at 800ISO , nothing happens , UNLESS you adjust your shutter/apeture/etc to expose for that value

@luisedtr07 Год назад

I had the same question lol 😅… but i think I understand now. I need to run some test to ensure I did though

@andrewscot5204 Год назад

@@luisedtr07 that’s good to hear… I’m still confused… 😂😂

@luisedtr07 Год назад

@@andrewscot5204 lol! Well what I understand is the following. Changing the ei values will only change how the image is viewed in the monitor. Which will therefore force you to adjust how you expose the shot using aperture/shutter/iso. I have no idea if this is the case, I would definitely need to run some tests first to confirm I’m thinking about this correctly. 😅

@andrewscot5204 Год назад

@@luisedtr07 😂 best of luck my friend!

@jonicolton 8 месяцев назад

new sub here… still struggling with cine ei (fx3). wud love to see bts in low light situation (e.g. reception) and order of operations to achieving proper exposure. do you have any tutorials like this? or perhaps plug another channel that does? in meantime, appreciate your content! thx -colton 🤟🏼

@KofiYeboah 8 месяцев назад

There’s another video on the same thing with the fx6 ( works the same) you can check out 👍🏾

@eletor Год назад

dang man tell it

@JaySea_Productions Год назад

So Cine EI is the reverse of ISO? By lowering my Cine EI value just below 800 or 2500 on my Fx30 it makes the display darker but I am somehow doing the reverse and bringing up the exposure hence cleaner shadows? I am even more confused after watching the video. Moving my ISO dial only changes my EI value so the video confused me by saying 2500 ISO at 4000 EI value. If EI value doesnt bake anything into the video and is just a guide like focus peaking, why did it create more noise? So many questions so confused!

@KofiYeboah Год назад

No no it’s like a preview of the DR your iso can get you to 😊 it’s just a preview to expose for certain parts

@tomas5826 Год назад

What is the M.M. function of the FX30 for ? You said to have the value at +1.3 to +1.7, but when would the +1.3 useful and when would +1.7 be useful ?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

M.M is multimeter, where it takes the average of what’s in your frame and spits out an exposure between -2 and +2, traditionally log footage you want to be a bit over exposed ( when it’s + numbers on your MM) and between 1.3 and 1.7 is fine most of the time, however the multi meter sometimes doesn’t tell the whole story, so I do suggest using something like zebras in camera or false colour on a monitor

@tomas5826 Год назад

@@KofiYeboah Okay, thank you so much.

@angienatoyn Год назад

Hi Kofi. Would you mind explaining what Cine EI Quick is?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Kinda both , like it’s still 800/2500, but as you jump up past 3200 ei, it’ll automatically go to the second high base iso

@angienatoyn Год назад

@@KofiYeboah Thank you!

@angienatoyn Год назад

@@KofiYeboah Thank you for the explanation ^_^

@quiztasiarocks 10 месяцев назад

Hey Kofi, does this approach hold up for cine EI on the FX6?

@KofiYeboah 10 месяцев назад

I have a video specifically on the fx6 as well 👍🏾

@quiztasiarocks 10 месяцев назад

@@KofiYeboah thanks I’ll check it out. Coming from black magic, I find cine ei so confusing. Thanks again

@KofiYeboah 10 месяцев назад

No worries!

@akiaki3642 Год назад

I do not understand, why should we go to lower ISO than the base iso, if it doesn't change the image? Cine ei is 800 or 2500. That only changes on the camera screen, not the final image right?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Try watching it again , I have a second Cine ei video too that might help

@renouncreation 9 месяцев назад

So basically… I overexpose while on the base ISOs. Cine EI functions as a reference for when I go to post and turn it down by the amount of stops I chose?

@KofiYeboah 9 месяцев назад

Yup pretty much 👍🏾

@neomoviemaker Год назад

J’ai pas tout compris ! 🤟🏾mais super le contenu! Ont suit depuis la 🇫🇷 !! #fx30team

@KofiYeboah Год назад

apprécier le soutien!!! Cine Ei est difficile du comprende, mais avec Le practice, ce sera facile ✌🏾 (I only know a small bit of quebecois French lol!)

@homewithgarbiejoan Год назад

Please help me. When I record videos in the sony fx30 they are clear on the camera , but once they go on my laptop, they are grey. What am I doing wrong?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

You’re shooting in log profile, that’s going to happen, you need to colour your footage ( there’s a few videos here how to do that !)

@homewithgarbiejoan Год назад

@Kofi Yeboah hey thanks for your quick reply, new sub here .I even had to look for you on insta. Lol. Let me check it out. One last question please. Is it better to shoot with log off especially for someone like me who has no much ideas about cameras?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

@@homewithgarbiejoan log shooting is as good as your ability and desire to want to edit it , it is the better profile, but that’s useless if you can’t use it

@MCCraftAdventure 29 дней назад

okay I kind of get it, but this is mostly for controlled environments right not the best for weddings events etc?

@KofiYeboah 27 дней назад

It depends on your comfort level, I use it all the time

@MCCraftAdventure 26 дней назад

Would aiming to keeping it at ISO 800 & 2500 in flexible ISO mode be the same thing? Also do you color grade your footage in Premiere Pro or Davinci Resolve?

@conner_productions Год назад

I've seen your videos on the fx6 as well, and I'm also someone who after using the Komodo went to Sony. So my question is, is the fx6 worth the extra money over the fx30 or even the fx3 because I need an A cam and thinking either fx3 or fx6.

@KofiYeboah Год назад

If you have the money and you’re wiling to wait , I’ve had no issues with the fx6

@DroneStories Год назад

So cine ei IS A GUIDE, and at the same time it works AS IF THE CAMERA HAS NO OTHER ISO, only 800 & 2500. All we have to do, is to UNDEREXPOSURE the CINE, (eg 400ei, with base iso 800, never using higher values than 800 or 2500) and AT THE SAME TIME, keep in mind that the exposure must be somewhere between +0.7 ~ +1.7. And the only "tools" we have to achieve this are: shutter, aperture and ND. Have I understood correctly?

@KofiYeboah Год назад

Pretty much! You have the jist of how to start using it ! If you can I'd try my best to expose for middle grey ratehr than the metering, as metering if set to multi , you might have varied results

@DroneStories Год назад

@@KofiYeboah Thank you 😊. I need more practice !!

@santiagopedraza2739 2 месяца назад

I still don´t get why should i overexpose to +1.3 or +1.7. Someone help pls?

@KofiYeboah 2 месяца назад

Most log profiles have better information in the highlights vs shadows

@HarryKnight 9 месяцев назад

I’m still super confused! Have a shoot in a few days using an FX6 and an FX30. So I’ll try clarify… I’m shooting with Cine EI using a base iso of 800. I never realised I could adjust an EI setting as I always thought EI and exposure were the same thing. But now I realise that’s not the case. Adjusting Cine EI will only change what I see on my Sony monitor not my Ninja V, in that way it’s a bit like a monitoring LUT. It shows me what my footage COULD look like not what is actually being recorded. I still do t quite get the point of it then. Can I not just apply a LUT on my monitor and adjust ND or F stops based on exposure from that? I also find the whole thing confusing about having a larger EI than base ISO. If it’s just a way to monitor exposure then why is it effecting my image? Or does it only affect it if I expose my image based on what I’m seeing on my little Sony monitor?