CinemaSins is (Still) Terrible 

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@@bobvids cinemasins is great, i luv their channel!🙂👍....also i hit the dislike button on this video🙃👎

@@marcelbey-el1947 it’s hard to know if your comment is serious as it looks like it was written by a 6 year old.

@@marcelbey-el1947 I applaud you for being part of one of the nastiest ratios I’ve ever seen… And I especially like that you’re the one getting ratio’d.

@@marcelbey-el1947 _Frolic, the theme for Curb Your Enthusiasm, begins to play_

ex machina

@@mtlewis973going back to sleep ex-machina

The guy that made this video is the definition of the dude who gets mad at everything for no reason lol. I don’t even watch cinemasins anymore, but I think they’re obviously not a “serious” channel. And he criticized them for including an ad of a wine brand with bad reviews and said they’re “scamming”. He almost seems like he’s becoming the exact thing he was criticizing.

​@@duffal0Any RU-vidr that shills products or companies of questionable quality rightly deserves criticism. Anyway, he was pointing out the hypocrisy of putting a long 60+ second ad in front of the video and then getting mad when a movie puts in the logos for the people that worked on it at the start of the movie. The pot calling the kettle black. But who cares, CinemaSins content isn't worth splitting hairs over.

@@duffal0 you seem like you didn’t watch the video at all

I also used to assume they're obviously satirical, and would probably jump to their defense when challenged about it. But it didn't take me long to realize their "satire" is pretty inconsistent and only apply under arbitrary conditions.

@@ashendude3394 Schrodinger's critic. "If you disagree with me, I'm just playing an nitpicky caricature so it's your fault for taking me seriously. If you agree, then I have a point."

@@mokarokas-1727 I would also like to hear why y'all think they can't take criticism, I've stopped enjoying their content for a while, just got boring, but I don't think the point is that they're bad and if it is then that seems to be a bad point

@@Celeste__ch. - No, that's literally their point; they say CinemaSins are toxic hecklers actively harming the community. lol, it's so delusional.

Except they do criticize themselves

Thats a pretty good point, I quite enjoyed watching their content as somene that disliked watching movies. Having started to watch movies and then going to watch their take on it always left a bad taste afterwards.

I wouldn’t even have to watch the movie, just someone Elise’s take and I’d realise how bad his takes where.

It just pissed me off for them to sin random stuff that isn’t bad in the slightest. A reference? Sin. A joke? Sin. A line from a background character? Sin.

yes. thats the joke

Same here. It was funny until I realized how bad their critiques were. This important foreshadowing? Sin because it's not relevant. Oh it came up later? We'll ignore that

Also speaks volumes to the media literacy of CS fans. It was very clear from context who that was in the car (or if you missed it the first time, it was explicitly clear when that rant video was brought up again later). Who would have thought that CS fans, of all people, would not pay attention to what they're watching, misinterpret it, and then make fun of it based on that mistaken understanding?

@@coriander_sun The answer to your last question is cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.

And they were also calling him old and crap like that. Super funny, especially since they admit they didn't even bother to watch it.

Especially the top comment, which says he had to express what his inner Jeremy lover was thinking... at Jeremy.

underrated comment

And, given time he will elaborate how music sucks, people are weirdos, and he does not like the food.

And then complains how no one understands him and that it's their fault.

Thats... actually accurate.

Or the guy who like's to be sarcastic about everything, even though he doesn't realize he has social and financial problems in his life. Oh that and being single.

This is so true!

Absolutely!!

Cinemawins is a good fucking channel, Lee's gotten me to watch so many movies with his positivity :)

Definitely 😂

It feels good to appreciate the thought and effort put into movies, even bad movies. It gave me new eyes to see some movies I didn't like and give me more to like about good movies.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know how to jump and assumed nobody else could either

It’s also complicated, detailed architecture. Or as I like to say, it’s covered in handholds.

Very gross.

I feel like that's a kind of logical statement, I don't really see how that's as bad as most of their issues

@@themustardman219 Why would you point something like that in the first place? Who needs to hear that?

like those women who are like ‘he’s going to be a little heartbreaker’ or ‘save him for me’

💀

Exactly, CS fanboys or defenders fail to apply their logic to CinemaSins

I mean not to lend credence to the former but given Jeremy's unironic and outright hatred for the film industry, it sounds like he is big angy he never got a shot in Hollywood, given he believes he can do better

@@Jo_youwhatmate He can't lol he sux.

In the same way, you could also argue that people criticizing bobvids are also jealous due to bobvidz (usually) having the bigger channel

Responding to criticism by saying, “The haters are just jealous,” has long been one of the strongest defenses against introspection and self-improvement. It’s right up there with saying “Don’t judge me” when given advice or criticism without any actual judgment.

No, they're assholes. Their words, not mine

Difference being?

i agree completely with this but i fee like people dont watch their videos for critiques they watch it for the heckle

​@@brandon0981They're not there to critique, they're there to pick petty fights with problems that aren't there half the time. A heckler isn't a critic, they're a bad audience member.

@@brandon0981 critics show how something could be improved, hecklers take a piss on people's work. theres overlap, but its not nearly as significant as some want to believe

There is something so emotionally honest about seeing the good in even bad movies, a complete inverse to Jeremy and his clown posse. Cinemawins is amazing

The only good thing CinemaSins has done is forcing CinemaWins into creation. That is it. 😂

And on top of that, Cinemawins isn't blindly praising them. He will genuinely talk about what is weak, questionable or even controversial about the movies, while still trying to get the most out of them. Makes you feel good like hanging out with great people.

He also talks about general themes and even ties in music, making you think about the movie on a much deeper level and seeing the many connections you don't see on your first (and maybe only) watch of that movie

Cinemawins is awesome!

while i didn’t experience those exact scenarios, i relate heavily ! my dad is the kind of dude who watches any film under the sun because he hasn’t seen it yet, or because ‘you never know’. he’s seen so many objectively bad movies and cartoons but his analysis is always the same of ‘it was alright’ because in his mind the entertainment is more valuable than the quality of the film and oftentimes his standards don’t exclude most of your standard well-criticized film mishaps. he is the extreme opposite end of the spectrum to cinema sins, and a younger me, who delighted in finding things i could nitpick because i was painfully trying to exert some intelligence. the truth is you enjoy things marginally more when you just shut off your nasty brain and take in the possible on-screen chaos in stride. (maybe not the case for *really* good films you really want to dig into.) i rewatch the same films and shows dozens of times so maybe i was just more opposed to opening up my preferences not a cinemasins fan, fortunately. just wanted to add my experience.

That's the whole point of cinemasins. They say as much in their first "everything wrong with cinemasins" video. They arn't movie critics, their just jerks with time on their hands nitpicking movies. If you want real movie reviews they arn't the channel to watch for that. If you want maybe a few laughs at best and to hear a guy drone on about nitpicks in a movie than ya they are the channel to watch. The guy has valid criticisms of CS but even he knows that CS understands that, they keep on doing what they do becuase of audience engagement and money. Which I mean I can't blame em, they have an audience and they make money giving that audience what they want, and that audience doesn't want real movie reviews when they watch CS they want nitpicks.

Same here They critizing some of my favourite movie and it really triggered me when they just yapping about mundane stuff It really ruining my experience

I had a similar regret. Talking and enjoying movies can be a nice bonding moment between you and your parents. Critiquing a movie can be fun, but only critiquing it can feel like your putting them down for their taste. That’s on me for being a dumb teenager still learning social boundaries and not Cinemasins. It’s more fun to build up another persons interest than breaking a movie down

There can’t be character arcs if they skip all of them

that back to back makes be think it’s bait, but still.

or, alternatively... "This movie has no character arcs" "The worst tragedy I have ever faced was-" "Wow, generic tragic backstory! NEXT!"

@@crazziemonkke there was over 40 sins between the two. if it's intended to be bait then they've failed so spectacularly that it's gone full circle and have gone back to bad writing

@@bugjams I remember when he did _Order of the Phoenix_ and was like, “Oh, boo hoo, these characters and their tragic backstories!”

They didn't got their alarm bell pavlovian trigger so they didn't pay attention.

it's strange, Jeremy does these videos called "movie recipes" on the same channel, where he shows his face and talks, I guess it's not normal now for a viewer to search out for videos that isn't the regular content.

@@mill_ania lol

lmao fr

I just enjoy the content and think it’s funny •_•

Funnier than any “joke”Cinemasins has in their videos.

what the hell is a dim mak? death touch!

i mean, that line at least sounded more british than anything. british enough to fool someone i guess. (maybe he lives/lived there for a time)

I'd always taken the flipping off scene a different way. I thought he placed money on Weasel and lost the bet when he died first and was flipping him off for that reason.

​@@GamergaidenXthat's what I also thought!

It's called "comedy" Emphasis on the quotation marks, as "comedy" on the cinemasins writing writing team is a questionable word to use at best.

Weasel is the best character in the whole movie confirmed.

thats so gross wtf

And even in the last movie, cannonically she's still supposed to be 17. by all accounts the character is still a teenager 💀💀

I think (I hope) it was making fun of all the nasty creeps years ago who literally made countdown calendars/clocks to when Emma Watson would turn 18. But if you didn't know that was a thing and that those creeps (hopefully) are the punchline, then the joke comes off even creepier.

@@LandelRey film age irrelevant only real age matters we all know she's not 17

@@bensbikex510 well in the film she's is acting like a teenager, so you can simp for emma watson all you want, but simping for a character that behave like a teenager is weird man

That’s the point of their comedy. They are purposely talking everything literally to make it funny. They don’t care about symbols.

@@carlmassa3784 that's trash comedy

@@fakename287 every comedy is trash at this point. Some people like it, others hate it. Take your pick 🤷🏼

@@cheekyweebugger3621 Yeah but there's "I think this comedy is trash" (opinion), and then "this comedy _is_ trash" (fact). CS being trash is the fact one

@@fakename287 in your opinion it is. That’s why this video isn’t right about CS being bad. It just thinks that it is right. Because it is entitled to its own opinion. Just like me.

Exactly, it began to feel very mean spirited after a point

Thank you for putting it into words, I remember this too. Eventually the videos weren't very funny and then I found myself subconsciously nitpicking in the style and I hated how it took some enjoyment out of my ability to watch movies. Over time I've recovered but damn it sucked.

@@JeY_kI recommend watching cinema wins. They actually make good and lighthearted jokes.

Cinemasins is satirical

​@BenjaminDover-qm8bv I'm guessing the joke of deleting videos that were criticized somehow flew over our heads?

LITERALLY shit hurts my feelings

Damn I remember being "that guy" at the movies when I was younger and into Cinima Sins. From my experience, most people like that want to feel smart.

Majority of the movies that come out today suck alright I'm not an old I'm 20 I'm in my 20s alright I can positively say that not one movie besides maybe 2 that have come out in the last 5 years I have want to go see okay personal opinion bias criticism whatever OKI agree with you here you go based on the statistical evidence-based on how many people show app to movies you can say Avatar blah blah movie majority of people that's seen Avatar have seen Avatar seen it at home alright majority of people that want to them that's why the Avatar was this big flop and it is a huge flop because it's a s***** movie alright the first 1 wasn't that great it was just good graphics it was a terrible f****** plot you can look up numerous videos That are now coming out because everybody isn't defending in anymore people are coming out with their honest opinion of the series and it's a s*** f****** series and there you go you're gonna talk about how my opinion is bubble bubble bubbles that's not my opinion that's what the empirical statistical evidence has shown us all right I'm gonna pull off that little woke a** little bit's Hassan's own words and I'm sure that's gonna make you all mad just by the comments there's a lot of hassan fans Fans here but right now is a great time for you to go out to the movie theater and watch a f****** movie and write a summary about it and get back to me because I want you to sit there and watch any just name and pick me not new not in big new remake or whatever I'm talking about original idea that came out from a new filmmaker that supposed to be the next big whatever b******* whatever went look at here you go here's a great example nope the movie nope terrible movie made no f****** sense I every single person I have talked to that has seen that in every person every person black white Brown purple green with f****** red polka dots alright does not matter everybody can agree stupid f****** movie made no sense they tried to play on Your Heart strings The Only people that like it are literally stupid people I Mean they're Really Like You look at all the people Talk about nope was a good movie they're ignorant they Don't they Don't they can't do s*** they Don't have the mental capability of being an actually functioning Human being they're you're practically retarded and I hate to say like oh well you're calling all those f****** people from Whatever low neighborhoods and Whatever whatever WHY would You assume that WHY would You assume Only people that were Black or from the hood would have to Go watch movie like no because it's been literally pushed to that demographic because they literally Subjugated a whole group of people to try to get them to go waste their money on a s*** a** movie yeah that's what they do that's what Jordan does😅

@@chonchjohnch that's a good point that i didn't consider. thanks for sharing that

I like to notice all the nitpicky things. I like being able to watch a TV show or movie and identify "these two things were shot on different days" or "there's the boom mic" etc. I like being able to identify plot holes, or predict where something is going based wholly on trope knowledge. There's a sort of nerdy glee to it. These things aren't reasons not to watch a movie or think a movie is bad, though. If you're not also thinking about the message the movie is trying to get across, how well it uses its themes, is the cinematography helping or hindering, you're missing the point of criticism entirely. And if you can't watch a dumb movie and enjoy it on its own terms, you shouldn't be trying to critique it in the first place. Sometimes, a movie only needs to be fun, and that's okay! More than okay, even. More of that, please! Movies have been catering to guys like CinemanSins for the last decade or so and in doing so have largely forgotten that you can make movies that are just meant to be fun.

me to!! I felt like I couldn't enjoy movies anymore because everything felt like it was some sort of error

Me too! The internet changed my view on movies by telling me which ones were supposed to be bad and good but I realized it doesn’t matter and if I enjoy the movie it’s a good movie to me. I had fun watching the Cats movie and Wish (even though I can see where they went wrong)

Yooo so it wasnt just me!

Ayyo you should watch your ankles when you hop off that bandwagon about 12 minutes

​@@AManWithAVoice abyssmal cognitive level reached. Congrats.

​@@AManWithAVoiceWanna find the sins in my snuff film starring your mom?

If cinemasins fans were smart, they wouldn't be cinemasins fans

@@AManWithAVoiceBro Cinemasins is not gonna give you a $20 bill for licking their boots. Just find better content to enjoy and then maybe you won’t feel personally attacked when it’s called out for being bad.

Good ol' Anton Ego

@@lelo170 An amazing quote from an amazing move.

Love that quote.

@@nexusshark Same.

Ratatouille is such a brilliant film

That’s because they lack media literacy and integrity

Matured = Mindlessly accepting whatever slop the industry puts in front of you.

​@@lukew6725 you could win awards for that leap of logic

I was never a big fan of CinemaSins but I used to enjoy their earlier videos where they pointed out minor mistakes in the films. I loved to know about these parts of movies I missed. Then I didn't watch them for a few years and recently decided to watch a video from them because I've started to love film reviews and analysis. I watched a video from them on a film I neither liked nor disliked (forgot the film though) and was disappointed to see them making jokes more focused on laughing at the plot choices of the film (some of which did make perfect sense in context). Couldn't even finish that video and haven't watched any more from them since.

I enjoyed a few videos but I noticed they pick out every single thing, stuff that wasn’t even worth mentioning. It’s just so boring and stupid

They used to be good. Showing genuine silly things and mistakes. But if just got bitter

10000% agree

Wasn't CS created in 2012?

Wait till they find tropes are tools trope

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Honestly I only watched cinema sins for any continuity errors I find in movies and then see if anyone else found them but his jokes got annoying so quick

@@NOTDeezy. same. I watched them like 4 or 5 years ago when they used to just focus on fun little mistakes a movie made. then I feel like either I suddenly realized it, or they changed, but I noticed that they...didnt like those movies?? I always assumed it was fun for them to find inconsistencies, but at some point I started hearing genuine bitterness every video and that's when I took my leave :/

I’m pretty sure people like that have existed for as long as movies were popular.

ok, cinemawins is good, but i feel like everyone just calls it better because it isnt negative. like, the issue with CS isnt that theyre negative its that they suck at it. CW is only good by virtue of not being made by jeremy

Those videos are TERRIBLE. Justifying bad movies through contrived cheerleading of trivial elements in a sea of mediocrity makes me want to hork.

They are both garbage except on opposite sides of the spectrum. Wins isn't better, you just happen to prefer the positivity over the negativity.

more like they desperately try to cover up plot holes

@@KaNoMikoProductionsmay I ask what’s wrong with cinemawins?just wondering

I don't need to watch five and a half hours of "Chargeman Ken" to know that the rest of it is a surreal nightmare. Quite frankly, that's the entire appeal.

they go full Schrodinger's satire if you call one of their critiques out for being wrong or stupid, well that one was just a joke and you were the stupid one for not realizing but then at the same time, act like they are actual critics of movies

@@cara-seyun "Schrodinger's satire" lmao I love that

Hey! Nice to meet ya! Ok, skipping the weak intro...I take some of what they say seriously, just like you guys do when critiquing them. Most of their sins are jokes, and that is quite obvious to anyone who isn't either dick riding them, or trying to critique them. Anyways, some of what they say can be applied to other movies, to which I do pay attention to. For starters, cliches are used in media, which do pull me out of movies at times. Not every cliche is good, but not all are bad. As for story elements, like in Avatar the Way of Water, they point out characters and how they act, which do not make sense. Sully wants peace, but only after betraying his race, killing a high ranking officer, and failing his one job they gave him, only for him to go full Navi, lead a tribe, and not listen to others? CinemaSins isn't untouchable and can be critiqued, absolutely, but what they do is comedy for people who watch them, while also providing some ways for watchers to use their heads. We are not obligated to agree to their "sins" either, so if they make a dumb call, we can disagree with it for our own reasons.

It reminds me how they talk about satire. I don't think they understand what Satire is.

imagine a comedian purposfully make a mistake while telling a joke , or a singer purposfully screw up notes , or an atlethe purposfully not playing to his fullest , their whole buisness model is build on pointing out mistakes , and they make mistakes of their own on purpose ? fuck them , at least they could be accurate in dumb nitpickery for the sake of dumb nitpickery , but no , that would be effort ...

It's the laziest way to dodge responsibility possible. Don't have to improve if you refuse to acknowledge that you ever made a mistake

@@davidegaruti2582 I've actually seen comedians purposely make mistakes during a joke, it's extremely common in the manzai style of comedy over in Japan. However... that's performed by a duo of a tsukkomi and boke, A.K.A. a straight man and a funny man. The funny man is supposed to be corrected by the straight man. They literally have another person in place to point out that the funny man is being wrong. CinemaSins on the other hand isn't being corrected, which is the real crux of why their mistakes are so bad. If you make mistakes extremely egregious, they *must* be corrected for it to be comedic- otherwise you're just wrong. This is something CinemaSins hasn't understood for a long, long time.

@@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme Additionally, intentional mistakes for comedy tend to be way more blatant. It's often extremely obvious, and sometimes stated, sarcasm, or just being so ridiculously wrong that there's no chance of being taken seriously. CinemaSins mistakes aren't the kind that read as obvious jokes, and seem more like actual mistakes.

Cinema wins is an awesome channel, love that guy

I'm a person who actively enjoys disecting and critiquing movies as I watch them, and yet I still hate Cinema Sins because they aren't actually critiquing movies 90% of the time and are just blatantly misrepresenting the plot on purpose to introduce dumb questions that either don't need to be answered or literally were answered.

I switch between both .

​@@samlewis6487 People thought they were critics? No wonder. It's mostly a channel bashing movies for the fun of it.

My thoughts exactly, CinemaWins is just top tier. I watched their "Dune" video a while ago (Dune's probably one of my favourite movies of all time)-and they pointed out like 40 details that I didn't even notice! Same thing goes for other videos I watched from them like the (1st) Hunger Games; a movie I watched 50 times by now and they _still_ managed to note out 10 or so details I was unaware. They're really amazing and I love them.

His Harry Potter videos are full of shit like that. He spends all of the videos complaining about how the magic system doesn't make sense and "why don't the characters just do X, Y, and Z" when the answers to all of his questions are in the fucking books. And the asshole has the GALL to put a "The Books Don't Matter" banner over a franchise of movies that were LITERALLY MADE FOR FANS OF THE BOOKS!

Yeah i can't watch it anymore because of how dumb AF Jeremy is with understanding plot points and pretending things aren't explained well

I'm confused.... Has the bloke who runs CinemaSins outright confessed that what he says is totally serious? Because of he hasn't and this is everyone over analysing his content, you people gotta lighten up. Do people actually believe that what he is doing is completely serious???

@@NinjaBanana1 "iTs aLl JoKeS" God, do you cinemasins fans have any other defense. You obviously didn't even watch the whole video too since your comment has little to do with his criticism of cinemasins here.

.@@NinjaBanana1 CinemaWins is run by a totally different guy. They have no relation besides the name.

Scene must contain lap dance. You forgot that one

@@064razor If I remember right, it's still a sin if Jeremy isn't the one *receiving* the lap dance.

Don’t forget they CANNOT eat an apple

Characters can't be saved (even though that's not what a fucking Deus ex Machina is... >

"Characters must never make a mistake." Can't really use that since that is an unironic criticism damn near every critic makes. It's most prolific in the horror movie genre. It's more of a sad state of general criticism when the average view of characters making mistakes are seen as bad writing.

Well, some character sins aren't bad, but he got into pointing out flaws with characters like characterization and growth. Like Jeremy wants a movie to have character that don't change or grow at all AND have no defining traits. I have no idea what kind of character that would be, outside one I have no interest in.

The biggest problem is just lack of integrity. The fact that not only can you not distinguish all the legitimate criticisms from jokes, but you can’t distinguish legit problems they point out from the lack of attention they pay just ruins it.

Well all that and now they've gotten to the point of making sins out of things that aren't even wrong, like what they perceived as a continuity error but it's just Jeremy being dumb and not noticing. Or whatever pedantic nonsense he points out now. "Dogs wouldn't wear a collar like that!" *Ding*

I know it's not RU-vid but sometimes there would be shows that point out these things in films, but they keep it like 4 or 5 things per film and move onto the next. Just for fun like seeing a car in the background of a film set in ancient Egypt or something. Never really go into the all the story stuff, mostly visual. If CinemaSins kept it to that, maybe a video covering one film would be really short. So do it like TV. Half an hour to an hour of a load of films just pointing out mistakes. Instead of just being a series of jokes...yeah you can put jokes in to laugh at the mistake....but framing everything as a joke and a mistake...eh. You could just make a different series for that. It seems he wants to be different from review channels, but that's what he comes off as, a review channel disguised as pointing out mistakes and continuity errors, things that weren't meant to make it in the film.

I think this video points out my main issue with CS-style "criticism" pretty well, but to add my two cents... Cinema Sins has contributed to, if not ouright created, this culture of perfectionism with regards to media. If you like something, it mist be defended from any and all criticism. If you dislike it, it can't have any redeeming qualities and must be relentlessly trashed (and anybody who likes it regardless must be wrong, possibly not just factually but morally). But they specifically make a point of criticizing _all_ movies, and their tagline is that "no movie is without sin", right? The second part of that culture, sure, but how does CS contribute to an inability to criticize things you enjoy? That's where the inconsistency and "it's just a joke" aspects come in. If you like a movie, they're just nitpicking or making jokes, and the video doesn't really mean anything. It's a joke, not criticism. But if you dislike a movie, their jokes and nitpicks become meaningful, and expose the problems with the movie, regardless of whether the quality of the criticism is any different. I know it's kind of frowned on to bring up politics, especially non-centrist views, out of nowhere, but there's a channel I enjoy called Innuendo Studios that makes a good amount of leftist political commentary. And in the video "The Card Says 'Moops'", he describes a particular sort of internet user that, while not exclusive to the alt-right, thrives there: "Schroedinger's Douchebag", a person whose words are so thoroughly irony-poisoned that not even they (or rather, usually he) can tell when a take is sincere and when it's just an irreverent joke. I bring this up, not for any political reason, but to posit that Cinema Sins and their fans are Schroedinger's Douchebag as media critics. There's no sincerity - if someone says a movie is bad, here's why it's bad, but if they say it's good, it's "come on, can't you take a joke" or worse, the implication that you're just upset because you can't bear to see something you like criticized. But it's not that I think anything is perfect, and honestly, framing the "think critically about everything" in such a zero-context, near-purely negative Gish Gallop full of terrible arguments that misunderstand media criticism on a fundamental level, with no "here's how it could be improved on", just an endless parade of bullet points... It makes it harder to genuinely criticize things, whether you end up deciding that the thing is good or bad overall. Or whether or not a bad thing is still enjoyable in some way despite the issues. I've seen people be like "I know Cinema Sins is trash, but their videos on genuinely bad movies are still funny", and... I get it, but I still hesitate to even give them that much credit, because even on "bad" movies their videos still often have really bad arguments for those movies being bad or unenjoyable. In the end, in order for a criticism to really feel sincere, you have to engage with what you're criticizing on a level playing field, taking the good and the bad, addressing it all within its own context, and suggesting ways it could have been improved if there are major problems. Criticism is not just about sorting media or fans thereof into boxes of "good" or "bad", and while it's good to be reminded that even the best media has flaws, Cinema Sins is abjectly terrible at doing this for the right reasons or in the right ways. The end result is a product that makes people worse at media criticism, while stroking their egos to make them think it's making them better at it. If Jeremy really wants to make Hollywood movies better he'd offer suggestions of what could be genuinely improved. But either he has no suggestions, or finds his position of "making bank off of smug superiority" too lucrative to actually want movies to be better. And that ignores that not only have there always been bad movies, there are still good ones and bad-but-enjoyable ones. Cynicism and irony-poisoning in media criticism genuinely help nobody.

Especially how they shit on who they think is Bob for vlogging in the car or being a loser. The sad bit is they'd change their minds if they knew who it was

They're unable to recognise his voice. That's the astounding thing, not knowing what someone you're a fan of looks like is one thing but not recognising the voice-over man by his voice is another all together.

@@SuperNuclearUnicorn especially when in the original video i do believe Bob said it was Jeremy but i guess if there's no subtitles and a little DING every 3 minutes cinemasins fans get confused

I'll give CinemaSins fans credit -- they're consistently stupid as Jeremy Scott, so it's pretty on-point how they can "pay attention" to his crappy videos yet can't do the same when watching a video about the guy showing his ugly face.

@@royalcass yeah, when Bob showed the clip again at the end of the video he made it apparent by writing on the screen that it was a clip of Jeremy and how it’s ironic that most of Jeremy’s points there could be applied to his own work. I find it very funny that the last comment shown in this video as an example of CS fans not understanding that says in their third edit that they stopped paying attention to the video to write an edit and then missed the text saying it was Jeremy in the car.

I spent years like this! I stayed away from things because these kinds of channels said it was bad. Then I watched birds of prey and realised that a film didn't have to be completely without sin to be enjoyed.

Not just that. They make a lot of people to only watch movies under that anti intelectual and literal lens.

Bro you've got problems if 1 you watch Cinemasins to choose what movies you watch 2 you are unable to separate blatant overplayed pettiness from actual meaningful observations on a movies style and direction.

Ohhhh nooo, a lot of people won't watch a movie that they might've enjoyed. Fuck me, we better get on this

@@walkingbucket4933 Children usually can't discern that difference. When I used to watch the channel when I was younger I genuinely thought they were being serious. Back then a friend of mine even refused to watch Big Hero Six cause of their video on it. Now as an adult I can tell they're utilizing their style of comedy but just because you could tell that difference doesn't mean others can't.

Cinemasins wouldnt actually do this because they are highly professionals and guess what profiessonals dont thos dis!!!!!! Gŕrrrr cinemasins best and they never do this. They understand what joke is big noob no baller skills no 8

I am glad everyone is refering to the channel cinemasins and not the person behind it, just proud of people for making the destinction.

lmao thats literally yall. cs is joking around. they know they read too much into it. clearly yall cant take jokes.

​@@unclenegan6694 They hide behind the veneer of satire to diminish criticism.

@@Spurgenn W

I barely even got the point of movies at that age and I still agree with you

My therapist once said: " When me and my gang pull up you better get to runnin."

Anecdotal, but everyone in my family growing up was dumb as fuck, abusive, self absorbed and utterly miserable people to be around. The myth is tied to alcohol making people "happy", as if mental health experts say you should get buzzed whenever you're sad. It's just a depressant, it doesn't make you happy, it's artificial dopamine that makes other activities less pleasurable compared to drinking, the happy alcoholic stereotype is long dead.

Something I'd like to add is that "not caring" and "being ignorant" are 2 entirely different things that are often mistaken for one another. What I mean by this is... you can watch a movie, with lots of flaws and room for criticism. You can be _fully aware_ of the criticisms and flaws you could point out... or you could just choose to ignore them and enjoy the movie. It's all just a matter of what you focus on. And it's much more fulfilling to just enjoy a movie. There will _always_ be cynical people, and people who's literal *job* it is to pluck and peel apart movies second-by-second... so there's no need for you to sacrifice your own enjoyment of media to do that. It doesn't make you ignorant, because you're still aware of the flaws, you just realize that it'll do nothing but make yourself miserable to cling to them. If anything, it makes you wiser than the people who always nit-pick everything.

I've always been against the "ignorance is bliss" idea. you don't like to learn? ok, but don't lump me in with you.

@@larrote6467 that phrase is more akin to saying there are things better left unknown rather than the more stupid you are the happier you are

They probably discounted the full minute of ads, opening and ending

Add a sin on there counter for it

the sinning of the movie is less than that but every video has outtakes and voice over things

​​@@konikotrestrescinco859 *(ting)* sin counter: 1

I HAVE BEEN ENRAGED BY THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME. THEY ALWAYS FUCKING DO THIS IT PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH I KNOW IT'S IRRATIONAL BUT JUST.... UGHHHHH

True, though even if CS stuck with the pretentious amateur film critic caricature, they'd still be terrible at it. They'd really have to ham up the snobby aspects of their own scripts by coming off as, well, pseudointellectual. One potential avenue: deliberately misusing film theory in such an outlandish way that it's clear they're putting on an act. Maybe, say, creating a video called "Sound Direction In Movies Has Lost Its Way" where they launch into a diatribe about how when Jules takes a bite of the Big Kahuna Burger in Pulp Fiction, the diegetic sound of his chewing is a failure because it doesn't accurately convey how tasty the burger is (completely missing the point of both diegetic sound and the scene's purpose). Or devoting an entire video to how Tarantino can't be called an auteur because Reservoir Dogs doesn't contain a shot of a woman's feet (gross misunderstanding of auteur theory while calling attention to a quirky aspect of Tarantino's films that even he jokes about). Instead, CS comes off as the drunk, dimwitted uncle at a family gathering who can't help but wonder aloud why Awkwafina named herself after a water bottle while you're trying to enjoy Shang-Chi. And as far as I'm concerned, that's exactly what they are.

CinemaWins is honestly just a better review channel.

@@nosferatu3726 Word

@@nosferatu3726 based

I wouldn't necessarily say it would be funny.

Oh BIG mood

That... Is so dang relatable it hurts physically...

felt this too deeply

The reason I don’t share things with pretty much everyone without testing the waters first is because this hasn’t happened to me but I am VERY afraid of it

Relatable It's why I personaly avoid talking to my parents as much as posible

I mean, it still stands. If you don't like something, then do not watch it. No need to apologize to anyone though mate, no one was harmed from your comment.

The biggest character arc was right here, well done man. It takes guts to admit you were wrong

​@@JunoLancaster The problem isn't with his enjoyment or distain for them. The problem is people (like you) who pass it off as if Cinemasins isnt a problem, which, if you actually payed attention, it is. The destruction of emotional intelligence by these people are scary. And your blind defense is terrible. If the only thing you can say to defend them or justify your viewing is "Well, just don't watch it!" is far more telling of how pathetic they are then you think it is.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@JunoLancasteridk… i don’t think so. they can correct me if i’m wrong but i don’t think they’re saying their comment hurt anyone but that the concept itself of “if you don’t like it, don’t watch it” is flawed bc their perspective was closed off

Glad to know I wasn’t the only one crying for a movie climax without any context

the actor really sells the emotion in her face and you kinda emote with her .

Glad I'm not the only one wow

I can’t believe you either, watching CinemaSins is one thing. Hell I still occasionally tune in, but to view it as a viable substitute for the actual film is another level.

my thoughts exactly lmfao

That must be the "jokes" their fans keep talking about.

Yep which is why i stopped watching his awful channel

its satire they've stated themselves we're not critics we're just assholes not everything needs to be taken so seriously sometimes their jokes fall flat just like anyone who has ever made multiple jokes there are people out there who make far worse critiques and are serious about it so chill out alright

@@anasexualdragonwithinterne2912 that doesn't mean it isn't annoying as fuck, that's like saying "but the murderer confessed to the crime so its all right"

@@anasexualdragonwithinterne2912 Ah yes, the tired old “it’s satire leave my senpai alone” excuse! You might as well tell me that Russia ain’t gonna invade Ukraine anytime soon!

And people who encourage only emotional intelligence and dismiss rational intelligence will always have a special place in nowhere because if this shit actually makes you mad you should probably see a psychiatrist about that.

@@somerandomgamer8504 For some reason, you seem *way* more mad than they do.

@@somerandomgamer8504 aaaaah you maddddddd

@@somerandomgamer8504 Who are you arguing with?

@@somerandomgamer8504 You’re really living up to your name as an angry csgo player

Cinemawins was cool until they started inserting contemporary politics into every video.

@@kylebradley3 yeah, who wants to engage on a meaningful level with art by talking about the political implications of the art

@@kylebradley3 “I wish comics and movies and games and books weren’t political anymore, unless they line up with my own personal political stances”

​@@lionguardant5468 That is because people do not want to engage with art at all, they want escapism and entertaiment, so they don't want their viewpoints to be challenged or even if not challenged for them to be reminded of the problems of society, they don't see media as art but as a kind of drug to forget for a time about their worries and be happy, so when they view a political message they disagree being present at all in their tools of scapism they get angry, or even if they agree when they see real problems of society they have to deal with in their escapist media they feel sad. So what people prefer is the most vanilla bullshit that tries to not challenge any political idea and do not show current social problems. It is not a good reason to hate, but it is most probably the actual reason of the hate, the public is not looking for a challenge to their ideas or a reminder of grim realities. The solution to this is actually art, if a piece of media is high art, top quality, people will forgive to be trown out of their sphere of comfort and challenged, but if the piece is uninspired or mediocre, then it is not forgiven. There had been a lot of mediocre or even downright bad works in the last years that have had challenging politics in them, and it has caused people to associate bad quality with having a political message. You can't make a cheesy cringey comedy full of political ideals and expect people to like it, and there ha been a ton of that kind of shit, and that has made it worse and now people are dismissing good works because they are political. Dumb movies can't have complex messages, fast and furious is as dumb as that ghostbusters movie, but fast and furious is just dumb action with some fuzzy message about family and in friends are family. While the ghostbusters movie was triying to push gender politics and empowerement of women, that is a good message but you can't just include that message in a dumb movie, because the message is not some fuzzy dumb cheesy message but a real message about a real problem in society, and it needs a level of quality equal to the seriousness of the message, which that ghostbusters movied did not have, it wasn't even that hard, women emporewement is not that contencious and most people agree that is good so you don't need and absolute master work to justify it, just something that is good, but the movie was not good, it was a dumb movie, so it undermined the message and people make the message the culprit of the quality because we humans are quick to find culprits even if they are not. Movies like that and other works with similar problems have made society to think "politics=bad quality" in the recent years, this has caused the standards required for something to be politic to rise and rise and rise again, i blame capitalism as the cause of this is bad people wanting to missuse important political messages as marketing tools for their dumb movies.

@@lionguardant5468 Inserting regurgitated talking points with a child like understanding of the concepts and practices they're referring to isn't meaningful nor does it add to the discussion.

pure genius

Yes, that’s the point

Don't forget the lisp!

​@@keychains5806 it's there, don't worry

Except half the time they're not even right

I think that's the point. There is humour in pointing out logical inconsistencies in movies because we all know they exist, we just don't care. I honestly don't understand what the problem with Cinemasins even is, other than that they are not that funny. CinemaWins honestly is just as bad but in the opposite direction, where it can feel like a masturbatory session around movies people enjoy.

If CinemaSins critiqued The Tortoise and the Hare, they'd probably complain about how the story was too short, there was no character arc, and how can the tortoise communicate with the hare they're two different species, and why was the hare so stupid as to take a nap halfway through the race. And they would completely miss out the lesson of the fable, that if you have talent but are lazy, you're going to be beaten by people who work hard and never give up. The superficial elements of the story are not as important as the themes and subtext. No story is "CinemaSins-proof". Any shithead troll can point and laugh and make fun of something. But the act of creation, of adding value to the world, that is infinitely harder, and infinitely more valuable than these shitheads' "opinions". Also, The Suicide Squad is considered to be the best DC film after The Dark Knight, so CS's opinions can go eat from a toilet.

This "chekhov" guy thought it'd be smart to show us the gun at the beginning. Sure, because *that* doesn't spoil the ending at all. DING

I feel like a lot of modern movies try to ‘cinemasins-proof’ themselves by having the characters point out tropes and plot holes themselves. But that just results in a generation of movies that are scared to be sincere, and all for CS to just go “what he said.” *ding*

Don't worry, they'll just do a hostile edit to create a "sin" anyway.

Interestingly, in an interview the Russo's said they wrote Winter Soldier with the idea of making it "Honest Trailer proof". When the Honest Trailer for it came out, the main thrust was "uh, I guess the bad guys plan was pretty complicated? This one's hard guys, sorry"

I wish, Cinemansins is instead the embodiment of making shit up to be mad about. If he actually focused on what was wrong with a film, it could be educational.

Yea, Honest Trailers and Pitch Meeting does a way better job at poking fun at the movie flaws than CS.

That's exactly what cinema sins is about mate

Their arguments on what considered as "Sins" are shit anyways. they nitpick on some of the most minute stuff and doesn't even support those sins well enough. Its humour for 10 yr olds at best.

the fact he sins things and scenes he likes in the movies he criticises already speaks for itself

You are right. It's a real American (conservative) tradition, really shows through in CS's casual sexism, etc. CS is the embodiment of every American dingus who thinks "that's stupid!" is the deus ex machina to kill all cliches.

@@joshfennell2257 Dude, what are you trying to say? Your comment is literally just "mUh AmErICa BaD!11". This is a problem all idiots have and ironically, you're the one being a bigot by casting all American conservatives this way. If you are so obsessed with hating my country, then why don't you go back to that echo chamber called Twitter.

@@jacquelinedavis9948 All American conservatives are that way actually. Conservatism on it's own is hypocrytical and foolish. They're not "being a bigot" you're not oppressed for chosing to have dumb views and associating yourself with side that boasts about being a snake eating it's own tail.

@@joshfennell2257 Why did you put an ('s) after CinemaSins

@@jacquelinedavis9948 America is bad tho

I just hate him because I saw him literally on the verge of tears during a podcast when he tried to debate guys who were anti immigration

Yeah and this video is selling pessimism too by nitpicking another channel. Lol how ironic.

@@phoenixrising7777 Sometimes, you gotta fight fire with fire.

@@mariethememelord9555 sounds hypocritical if that’s the central point of the video’s thesis.

@@mariethememelord9555 some of my favorite videos to look up are defense videos on things like modern cartoons and The Last Jedi.

@@phoenixrising7777 he isn’t nitpicking it, he’s pointing out fundamental flaws and hypocrisy in CinemaSins’ approach and their public statements. That’s not nitpicking or being pessimistic. That’s just viewing something on the whole and criticizing how bad it is. Pessimism is having a negative predisposition towards things that is not related to the actual nature of whatever it is you’re being pessimistic about. Being critical of a channel like CinemaSins is not selling pessimism. Selling an entire channel founded off of negative videos about movies, like CinemaSins does, is selling pessimism.

And it's even funnier when the response to said criticism is "you're taking this too literally." Dude. That's literally all you do!

Its even funnier when a channel like this makes a "movie" themselves and gets badly criticized and mocked. And they get super pissed off at the negative attention lol.

To be fair it's a deeper level of scrutiny, because he's actually paying attention to thier content before critiquing

So ur saying a guy who makes fun of giant behemoth budget films for doing cliches doesnt like it when they are personally attacked and ridiculed in a non comedic format. Its like making a movie critic reviewing the new jackass movie… just being pretentious and dissing all the slapstick comedy just is akward like honestly he spends a whole minute talking about the timer like honestly none of it matters the sin counter doesn’t matter the ones taken off and put on dont matter none of it matters and this dude is reviewing it like a college thesis

@@bluegal5134 they made a movie? Good god, I can’t begin to imagine how that went…

The rule of three holds pretty true in comedy. Every gag or punchline is funniest the third time, and after that it stops being funny. They have retold the same "joke" 700 times for the better part of a decade and don't understand why people are still walking out in the middle of their set.

I would say *especially* if the movie is a polished piece of art. I mean, just look at their Citizen Cain video. If your aim is to prove yourself intellectually superior to everyone then those who are most clearly your superiors are the ones you need to attack the most. CinemaSins is an inferiority complex made manifest as a youtube channel.

@middle aged man in extreme debt First of all I was thinking the exact same thing. I love pitch meeting. I think here are few major differences. 1) Ryan makes a lot of fun outside the movie thus not depending entirely on the poking fun part for entertainment. It is often subtle but u can observe it and enjoy on rewatches or if u pay attention. 2) He usually poiints out plot holes and major plot contrivances rather than just nit picking the entire movie. 3) He usually does not undermine the great art either by not making a video on such movies or by acknowledging how good they are in the video itself. For ex try movies like matrix or john wick To better understand the differences i suggest watch both videos of the same movie from ryan and cs and honest trailers.

I’ve seen Microwave society do well. Like they just watched Mega Mind and they kept bringing up that it’s a good movie. They didn’t want to make fun of it because at its core it’s a good movie

@middle aged man in extreme debt Idk, Ryan is just charismatic. Its hard to hate the guy, plus the Pitch Meetings are a more inventive format than CS imo.

uhm, you used big words, you are clearly a nerd!!!!!!!!!!!!!! opinion invalid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Humor is subjective. There are plenty of comedians that I find funny and probably an equal amount that I don't find funny. CinemaSins is just another form of humor. You are essentially doing the same. Taking them seriously while they're just meant to be taken as a joke. No one should take CinemaSins seriously, and if they do, that's their problem. If it's annoying, don't watch it. Click on something else, there's plenty of content to consume apart from CinemaSins.

@@sameermohideen4913 I don’t watch them anymore. Just wanted to give my thoughts. No need to defend them so hard, lol.

@@peamut547 There wasn't much of a defense in my comment. Some like it, some don't. If that's a "defense" for you I'm not sure what you want to hear.

@@sameermohideen4913 That's a good majority of their viewers that take them seriously. There is something wrong with their satire if the alleged satire RU-vid channel is taken seriously.

Time to learn both Spanish AND German

@@Ohokok_channeledition you'll give Up when you get to "Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskabine"

@@joshuasiebenhofer2452 mmmmM

But moviebob makes several hours’ long videos of nearly crying about cinemasins existence whereas you wouldn’t know if the people criticizing this video in the comments did stop watching and left a comment on the way out

@@robertyounger5849 He's complaining about Cinemasins approach not their existence and make specific points about why he thinks Cinemasins is lazy.

I’m pretty sure existing and being however you are are intrinsically linked. The thing that I keep waiting for someone to explain is the “nearly crying” part. I’ve disliked a lot of movie reviewers (I don’t like cinema sins either) but I’m not in tears bemoaning how some movie reviewer nearly ruined my life and the lives of my whole generation like moviebob/this comment section are. It’s really dramatic

@@robertyounger5849 It's not dramatic if it convinces movie fans to change their approach to analyzing movies which forces movie studios to make jokes that poke fun at tropes within movies. These meta jokes hurt the overall quality of movies because they add nothing to the story. Also what's wrong with criticizing Cinemasins if their approach is lazy but it's negatively impacting the movie fan community. They misrepresent the average movie fan. Cinemasins defenders say Cinemasins is playing a character the average movie fan. But average movie fans don't laugh at unimportant details and make weird sex jokes. Beevus and Butthead did that in the 90s.

So the measure of how non-dramatic something is is how much it convinces people? How is that so? Audience changing approach to analyzing forces studios to make jokes poking fun at tropes? No it doesn’t. They aren’t forced to do anything. Meta jokes hurt the quality of the story? Really subjective, depends on the story. Never said anything is wrong with criticizing cinema sins. I said it’s weird to be sounding like your about to cry and blaming one RU-vid channel for “ruining a generation of moviegoers” They misrepresent the cinephile community? Well I don’t know who would expect any one RU-vid channel to represent the whole cinephile community, that would be weird. They are playing a character, just one I’m not that interested in. Just like “on cinema at the cinema.” I don’t see you guys complaining about that show. In summary it’s weird that you think movie studios put tons of weight into what this RU-vid channel is doing, it’s weird that you expect them to represent you and not just do whatever they choose to do with their show, and it’s weird that everyone in these is acting like they had some compulsion to parrot CS-style humor which they had no agency over somehow and now they are so upset the channel ruined their live apparently

The thing about CinemaWins, for me, is that they just have a much stronger understanding of movies and what goes into them. Their videos are always chock full of little factiods and other useful info about what goes into these movies, and the movie-making process as a whole, to the point where each video feels like a fully fleshed out thesis paper, as opposed to just "here's all the good thing about movie" that their name would imply. It's not just that their reviews are positive, they're just better made at the core.

I love his videos too it's just so optmistic and nice while being informative.

@@NerdMiGerd his sorta-ramble about the invisible man (2021) around the end was genuinely nice to hear, you can tell he cares a lot about the movie he's viewing and i gained more appreciation for that movie because it pointed out some things that i didn't notice on first watching. watched cs initially to find new things about the movies i watched and then stuck with cw because it showed enough appreciation of the story's themes and many of its elements. it's so much better to digest than constant negativity. guy just sticks to pointing out "this opening scene is genuinely engaging" or "the way you can tell the character is dealing with a lot of mixed emotions, the actor is really talented for pulling this off effectively" and i can just enjoy it as background noise or when i want to see someone else's interpretation of a movie i liked.

watching CW made me appreciate how gorgeous the lighting is in films! the details this channel points out made me have such an incredibly positive reaction to movies now. a win to us!

Cinemasins currently has millions more subscribers.

Fully agree, the irony-poison internet culture has emotionally damaged me.

Also describes twitter in a nutshell, atleast the clapback culture part of it.

It's entirely up to you if you want to consume it as poison or if you want to consume it as low-brow juvenile humor.

@@jollyorcaomg SAME, i’m trying so hard to remember who i was and how i felt and thought before i started using too much internet

@@jollyorca You can't get any more fragile than this..

Same. Thanks to the internet’s overtly nitpicky and negative environment, a younger me used to think he had to make his story the best one ever told, instead of just letting it be. I could not express in any amount of words how much the change towards positive and constructive deconstruction has helped me change that.

@@Kirferyan for sure. as an artist, deviantart in 2013 at the height of solarsands gave me legitimate trauma

Yes, yes, yes! I love how present criticisms of media has been. People bringing back old movies/ books to talk about stuff they liked or enjoyed or even new movies/ books that they like. Talking about how things could've been improved and aspects that were done well.

@@shockdartbique8991 Or in 2017 where cringe culture peaked. The internet was such a negative space, even down to simple things such as jokes people would start bullying others because a meme that appeared 2 days ago is apparently already "dead". Or with the whole "cringe animation memes' "cringe *insert character* fangirls" that was quite literally grown ass people bullying children for going through their phases and learning art Things are still toxic, but I am so glad with youtubers such as cinemawins and other positive channels existing because they point out the good stuff too

I love reading these comments thinking that a channel who thinks a that "not getting a lap dance in this scene" is sin worthy, is a critiquing channel, they very clearly aren't. It's a comedy channel, nothing more, nothing less, if you want all videos on movies to be a proper critique, then you should go live in a cave

I think it is clear they are joking most times though. Hence why "diehard" cinemasins fans say that.

@@olivercharles2930 I mean, some times it's clear. Some times it's not. That's the problem. It's impossible to criticize them because even if they aren't joking and accidentally make a mistake, diehard cinemasins fans will just say that it was a joke, and thus beyond criticism. They have manufactured a situation where they're "always right"

It's like someone saying "I'm not rude you're just very sensitive" or "it's not that I'm not funny you just don't get my humor" talk about not being able to or wanting to take accountability.

It works for me I think if you watch a LOT of cinema sins, you can start to pick up what their actual opinions are vs the jokes, and which movies they actually like and don't. I mean i don't watch it much anymore but meh

​@@clairetellkamp6253It's like those people who post a controversial opinion, and when someone calls them out on it, they say it's a joke. But when someone agrees, they 180 and agree with said person.

That's actually hilarious

Talking to the camera in the car sin

Goes to show the intelligence of cinemasins fans

@@steambrowser6185 camera in the car cliche

"Exciorating" is my new favorite 10 dollar word.

Excellent point. Satire is not a criticism-proof shield.

@@dorn0531 In fact, Satire *is* criticism on itself. It's a comedy made with the intent of critique. You cannot make a satire without criticising something, that's the whole point. So their excuse is even more pathetic, because a satire *needs* to be right for it to work.

@@saxor96 Extremely well said.

Sometimes "satire" makes you think "Hey, the author of this satire doesn't have a good understanding of what makes up the thing they are satirizing and relies on people not thinking about what they watch!"

@@KarolOfGutovowhich is exactly where it falls apart. In order to correctly satirize something, you need the very deepest understanding of whatever you’re satirizing to the point where what you’re doing is nearly indistinguishable from the core subject. Look at something like The Onion… they know exactly how news stations work, what they base stories on, how they want the audience to feel etc etc etc and then just take that idea and put a ridiculous twist on it. Stephen Colbert’s crew knew exactly how conservative republicans ate, drank, and slept, what their hopes were, what their fears were and they just cranked that up to 11 on the Colbert Report. Mitchell and Webb actually were broke college kids trying to find their way in the world… so they threw in some exaggeration. That’s how you do satire, you don’t just go “hurrumph they’re dumb!”

The worst type of people

the kind of guy to get a 143 online in 10 minutes and never let go of it

@MrDjBigZ what?

Literally my first reaction was to remember the scene where he was bragging about shooting smaller bullets. I haven't seen the movie, and I didn't even bother looking at their faces in that scene near the end, but being a callback seemed like such an obvious thing that it's kind of hilarious that CinemaSins decided to rag on it anyways.

people who like to make intellectual remarks on movies usually don't pick up on more subtle things lmao

It's even worse, because 2 seconds later, before Peacemaker dies, he asks Bloodsport how that was possible, to which Bloodsport simply replies, "Smaller bullets", making the callback even more obvious. But I guess it still wasn't obvious enough for CinemaSins.

@@JeradMal Oh my goooood I haven't seen the movie but that's like. So obviously a callback?? Wow.

​@@JeradMaldid you mix up the 2?

The fact that he shat all over Ratcatcher II’s backstory *and* the emotional denouement of the film is just *fucking aggravating* . At that point it’s not criticism, that’s just being a fucking killjoy.

@@Marcspielt I'm not going to pretend I've watched the film, but just going off what we're told here I don't really buy that. The squad's handlers are shown as callous dickheads at every opportunity and the rat moment comes as they're explicitly going against orders to do something for personal sentimental reasons

@@Marcspielt r/i'm14andthisisdeep

@@Marcspielt Except that moment is supposed to represent the complete opposite, Waller and by extension the world sees them as nothing but scum and so the government is okay in using them as canyon fodder (that was the explicit purpose of having 2 teams) and the ending is Bloodsport, Ratcatcher and even Polka-Dot man asserting that they do have value and they are people, by going against Waller's orders even though that would most likely get them killed either by Starro or Waller herself. I genuinely don't see how you can interpret that moment as them being subservient.

@@Marcspielt amazing, such a vast intellect and you can't figure out the meaning of such a simple comment. lol actually you really do come off as a try hard social outcast. quite sad tbh.