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Civivi Elementum Secrets - The Untold Truth 

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Civivi Elementum Secrets - The Untold Truth
Today we will look at three different versions of the Civivi Elementum - the satin D2 in brown Micarta, the OD green Micarta in CPM-S35VN, and the one with copper scales. Believe it or not, there are some major differences with the price, weight, action, and even cutting performance. Which Elementum is your favorite?
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@hapacha3898
@hapacha3898 4 года назад
The fact that everyone addressees you by name, Jay, should tell you something! Love the elementum and the video!
@vincentmaltese7005
@vincentmaltese7005 4 года назад
I would have to agree with your choice-OD Green has a special place in my heart (especially with that black blade). Have a great trip my friend-hope I'm around for the live stream!
@brandonlavigne8648
@brandonlavigne8648 4 года назад
The S35VN with the Green Micarta looks 👌 .... great vid Jay keep it up
@davidkurle5418
@davidkurle5418 4 года назад
Great video, Jay! Looking forward to seeing some of your fishing footage. Enjoy your trip!
@adikemm1643
@adikemm1643 2 года назад
you made it very easy for me but convincing. I am ordering your favorite one right now. Thanks indeed for the great video.
@murray42076
@murray42076 2 года назад
Hey, first time viewer here, loved the content, and gave you another subscribe! Good work. I have 2 elementums, one being the stonewashed D2 with Marbled CF. Another being the stonewashed S35VN with the Jade G-10. Both are amazing knives, I tend to use the D2 for heavier work because I know it can take a beating. I use the S35VN model for more fine cutting, and they are both immaculate knives. I also haven't had any problems with the D2 corroding. Keep your blades oiled & they will last a long while.
@lionknives3
@lionknives3 4 года назад
YES!!! CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE VIDEO MY FRIEND!!! Great Elementum with Micarta and s35vn. Greetings
@davidsauer9317
@davidsauer9317 3 года назад
Good job on the video and on the time devoted to researching and giving so many details about these popular Civivvi knives.
@fubargnarly1635
@fubargnarly1635 4 года назад
I like the S35VN, seems like they really dialed it in on that one. Have a good trip!
@parenpi
@parenpi 4 года назад
I have the brown micarta, and I love it. Same as your’s, the action is awesome, drop shuts... great EDC.
@brianmontana5700
@brianmontana5700 4 года назад
Great review of a super solid EDC. I would have never known there was a size variance between the diff models! It’s why I love your channel! Thanks for sharing and good luck fishing jay!
@richardrosvall7502
@richardrosvall7502 4 года назад
Thanks for another great video, Jay! The only Elementum I own is the copper model. I'd love to add a S35VN model to the collection, but I won't buy another one until they show us some lefty love. Like you said- it would be so easy! Best of luck fishing, would love to see you land a wallhanger walleye!
@lawrenceong8501
@lawrenceong8501 4 года назад
Another Enlightening & Entertaining vid! Thanks Jay !Enjoy your fishing holiday, Cheers!
@MO-dj5br
@MO-dj5br 4 года назад
Awesome video, the comparison of knives is always great because not many people do them. Have fun on your trip!
@factorsofjack
@factorsofjack 4 года назад
Great video. I have both the Copper D2 and the s35vn with jade scales and my Son has a OD Green G10 one. I agree on the differences especially that the s35 is way more slicier and the action on the copper is sluggish. I did a video on my channel looking at the 3 of them right after the s35 dropped. Also the s35 Elementum is my 3rd most carried knife behind the Bugout and Banter.
@kalshaikh72
@kalshaikh72 4 года назад
thanks for honest review, ilove the Elementum so i bought both S35vn & D2
@olmanconway4633
@olmanconway4633 4 года назад
Hey Jay, love your style! I have the Elementum with copper scales. I agree with you that the action is not great and it is heavy, however it feels substantial and more premium. It is unique in my collection.
@Obliticus
@Obliticus 4 года назад
Love the Elementum, probably my favorite EDC knife. I'd like to get a S35V version, but my favorite so far is the shredded carbon fiber version with the bead blast finish. It looks awesome :)
@scottdublin4164
@scottdublin4164 4 года назад
Good one Jay! Have fun on your trip and let me know if you're coming to South Carolina! (still love the shirt...GO TIGERS!!)
@bangsnap2651
@bangsnap2651 2 года назад
Great review! The one I have is the black G10 sides with the d2 blade. And I love it!
@mikeloeffler2801
@mikeloeffler2801 4 года назад
Hey Jay Love the channel still waiting for the review on the Kershaw Tumblr keep up the great work👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@notmillionaires
@notmillionaires Год назад
Just ram across you and watched a few vids. You had me with skateboards and fishing! But love your knife love. Now I'm a rare breed on the Elementum. I love the OG button lock. That thing didn't leave my pocket from the April 19th it came out til Xmas a few weeks ago. Also have a fixed Elementum I carry as well. Don't have the new one but I'm excited for it. I've never had a stick problem but you def made me anxious to get it. The last video I watched got me because I have required a finger choil for a bit now. I was on the Sencut video but def goin for he Odium next now. Have the Cormorant in my pocket now and almost lost ya on your opinion but I get it. A blade only a Mother could love. Lol. And I'm not a mother which is why I'm going for a new one. Tho I love the Serape. So Odium and Grazioso are lined up. Grazioso is first finger choiless for years. And I have a lot of others I'm kicking around. So glad to take any suggestions. Keep up the food work. Love the content.
@beeferbaron
@beeferbaron 4 года назад
I would love to see a live stream with you Jay! Especially fishing 🎣 I want see all of them you catch 💪. Your the best and I love listening to you man!
@busbus76
@busbus76 4 года назад
Another outstanding video Jay! Good luck fishing! Hope you enjoy your time! - Jason
@lionknives3
@lionknives3 4 года назад
Yeah Jay in the house! Thank you for showing. Like the Elementum but probably to small for my large hands.
@TartanJack
@TartanJack 4 года назад
Hey Jay... as the happy owner of a brown micarta Elementum, I was very interested in the many new versions coming out. So this look is much appreciated. I too kinda like that OD black blade number.
@justonemoreknaf
@justonemoreknaf 4 года назад
Got the D2 copper and the Stonewash S35VN green Micarta. I liked the copper but when I got the upgraded well it was a wash. Thanks for the video, great as always.
@downstc1
@downstc1 4 года назад
Great review Jay. I have the gray G10, D2 satin blade. It continues to be my EDC. Truthfully I like it as well as my Ferum Forge Gent, and half the price.
@wasnt_it
@wasnt_it 4 года назад
Thanks for 'comparing & contrasting' the different models Jay. Definitely one of Civivis better looking knives.
@tackledartist0779
@tackledartist0779 4 года назад
The elementum is a great knife. I bought the s35vn on bhq with the nat g10 scales (which I didn’t like). After getting some custom micarta scales made, this knife always finds its way into my pocket
@davidh0159
@davidh0159 4 года назад
Very interesting statistics. Some of which I would not believe if you hadn't compared them. Nice job, Jay.
@just-inedc2381
@just-inedc2381 4 года назад
I have the grey g10/D2 elementum and I love it! But I would love to get one of the black s35vn blades with either micarta or jade g10, I like them both! But regardless the elementum is my favorite budget knife with the Bestech Texel in a close 2nd!! Awesome video jay! Oh and I got my channel stickers in mail today, thank you so much 😊
@robertfogle654
@robertfogle654 4 года назад
Enjoy your trip! Hope you have some luck. Been slow fishing for me lately! I like all Civivis! Don’t have an Elementum yet!
@lucar338
@lucar338 4 года назад
Hey Jay, I have the satin d2 in od green g10. I wanted to get the brass version but it wasnt in stock as always. Have fun fishing, i am excited for the video/stream!
@AdamSmith-ys2vk
@AdamSmith-ys2vk 4 года назад
I just got my Elementum Wednesday. It's the same as yours in black s35vn. Everything came perfect detent, centering, action, and edge. Nice early but still safe lockup too. The only thing that seems different are my scales look whiter and very grippy like they have a rougher sanding(not complaining, it's nice). I agree with you on the pocket clip but it looks like Civivi cut out the liner where the holes would be drilled on that side. I'm anxious to see if can keep up with my Mckenna as it's easily my best slicer so far. Have fun on the trip and good luck Jay, hope you catch a stringer full.
@turtleinashirt
@turtleinashirt 3 года назад
Just got my Elementum D2 in grey Micarta in the mail. I live in Japan so that was quite a feat if I’m being honest, as what is a $50 knife turns into a $70 knife that has to get through customs without picking up import fees. It has an awesome deployment and a wonderful carry, but now I’m coveting that S35VN blade because of you lol
@NastyRenegade
@NastyRenegade 4 года назад
Brown scales and satin finish. I love it. Have a nice trip! :)
@adamedwards3921
@adamedwards3921 4 года назад
Jay we both have good taste brother S35VN BLACK AND GREEN MICARTA 4sure. Not a fan of the new copper wave sweeping the knife community but i do appreciate makers that take the different approach and try new and old materials. Be safe and have fun fishing hope you get a big one !! Hey just had a good idea 4 the channel and a different approach with knives, take a blade(folder please)with you and modify it into spear for spear fishing. That would be a great content , no other reviewer has done that at least i hope not. Easy materials also : knife , cordage, and a sturdy straight stick! As always thanks for the awesome content!
@LB-np5zv
@LB-np5zv 4 года назад
Looking forward to the stream have a great trip
@tombrown8800
@tombrown8800 4 года назад
When I saw you holding up those 3 elementums together I thought you were going to try a triple flip. My first thought was " noooooo Jay, don't try it". Fortunately I was mistaken. Hope you enjoy your trip & catch some big ones. Look forward to see your posts.
@anthonyreeder8283
@anthonyreeder8283 4 года назад
Nice info Jay love the video, I haven’t gotten my elementum yet I don’t have an excuse. But I would love to have the S35vn or even the copper one.
@gearupedc2940
@gearupedc2940 4 года назад
I have the Red Headed step child, Copper. I want the Black with OD Green Micarta scales. Awesome combo
@mikoteevee
@mikoteevee 2 года назад
i just got the copper version... out of the box.. kinda hard to flip open.. takes effort... how is yours now sir? is therre a break- in?
@lavenderpants8695
@lavenderpants8695 4 года назад
I've owned the G10, wood, Damascus/CF, Brass, and now the micarta S35VN version. The thinner S35VN version feels like what the Elementum should have always been. I feel like it's more of a cohesive build and design now. It's a keeper. What I don't like about the new one is the detent, at least on mine. They are focusing so much on "impossible to fail" that they have made the detent just too hard in my opinion. It's not a large flipper tab. I've always done a push button open for this one but it's not as comfortable to deploy that way now. They could have dialed back that detent a bit and it would still deploy everytime, it would just be easier to do.
@johnwilber5639
@johnwilber5639 4 года назад
Absolutely my favorite knife at this time. Waiting for the jade S35VN to be back in stock. Have fun fishing Jay!!
@theculprit101
@theculprit101 3 года назад
it just came back in stock this past weekend on BladeHQ!
@johnmoore6633
@johnmoore6633 3 года назад
Just acquired the green micarta d2 one and love it!...next one I think I'll get is probably the marbled one with the stonewashed blade
@deadweight2049
@deadweight2049 4 года назад
Have a great time on your trip! No snags or panfish, just smooth casts and fat bass! I'm not much of a flipper fan, but would love the s35vn version... If I can ever find it not marked up on the secondary market by scalpers selling it for double, or catch it in stock. Worth a try some day whenever the hype train slows down.
@michaelbush7696
@michaelbush7696 4 года назад
Another enjoyable video Jay. I would like to have any of them. Good luck fishing. Thanks for sharing and stay well my friend.
@simplyknives7117
@simplyknives7117 4 года назад
Loved the video. I currently don't have an elementum, but the one I want the most is the black s35vn with Jade g10
@simplyknives7117
@simplyknives7117 4 года назад
Go gamecocks
@efcruzado
@efcruzado 4 года назад
I have 2 g10 variants (green and blue) and the brass. The action tends to get gritty after some use. I clean them out with compressed air and lube with KPL. Action is drop shut after. My brass one had the best action out of box. It’s a safe queen (for now) so the action remains smooth and drop shutty. As always, thanks for the great content! I’ve been using your code a lot lately when ordering from WMK. 👍🏽🔪
@luosnogard333
@luosnogard333 4 года назад
Nice, good to know. I recently bought the basic D2 blade with black scales. Just allways liked that black and steel look.
@Killlerbee
@Killlerbee 4 года назад
Hey thanks for showing us something new. That looks pretty sweet. I love Civivis and don’t have an Elementum yet either. You always brig the beef... even when it’s in sausage! Thanks for the cool review!
@TheKnifeBeater
@TheKnifeBeater 4 года назад
Lol. Thank you KB.
@lancehoward8270
@lancehoward8270 4 года назад
Great review thanks for the comparisons. The Elementum in S35VN is probabaly the best buget knife of the year. Have a good fishing trip.
@RC-el3uv
@RC-el3uv 4 года назад
190 thumbs up and 0 down. Great videos Jay.
@LeYabon
@LeYabon 3 года назад
I have the ebony/d2 one, bought here in France and made the OD green micarta/black S35VN one travel to France. I love these knives.
@rustyknifelover4463
@rustyknifelover4463 4 года назад
Jay, really liking the appearance of the Civivi Elementum. I haven't purchased one not sure how they would fit into my carry. Great slicey looking knife. I would definitely get the CPM S35VN version.
@piggybank1967
@piggybank1967 3 года назад
New subscriber here, I've got the orange G10 elementum in D2. The black and the jade G10 Asticus in D2, the Incite in Damascus with carbon fibre and gold flake scales and last but not least the G10 Pintail in S35VN😊 great quality to price ratio..
@goatman3828
@goatman3828 2 года назад
I guess just to be different I got the button lock. Wanted a bit more length of blade. And I absolutely fell in love with it. So I guess I'll have to pick up an S35 one too. Hoping for shred carbon fiber scales.
@silver6tech
@silver6tech 3 года назад
This video, helped me make my decision before I purchased. Thank you
@j-sonS
@j-sonS 3 года назад
I just got the $50 version and love it. Very similar to my Kershaw skyline.
@NaturalMystic69
@NaturalMystic69 3 года назад
I'd go for the S35VN with OD green micarta scales. Good job sir.
@Southernknife_addict
@Southernknife_addict 3 года назад
I just got the elementum Damascus carbon fiber today. My first civivi but I promise it won’t be my last. That combo is an absolutely beautiful knife
@johnwest4492
@johnwest4492 3 года назад
S 35 VN with Grey G-10 scales Jay, that's my jam :))
@chronovore3726
@chronovore3726 4 года назад
This is a cool video. I've been wishing for stainless since the original D2 model came out. I'd have been happy with VG-10 or 14C28N but this is a good price for S35VN. I really like that they thinned out the blade for the S35VN version. I wish more EDC knives would follow that trend. The lack of lefty love stinks but I have to admit. I really like not having extra holes, indents, or filler plates in that scale. It would be really nice if companies could figure out a way to make lefty versions or scales available.
@Keith_the_knife_freak
@Keith_the_knife_freak 4 года назад
Great video as always 👍 👌
@leonardbremner6726
@leonardbremner6726 4 года назад
Got the Ebony simply because these things were so hard to get in Canada and it was the only one available. Wasn't aware there was a S35 model out. Rats! Now I have to watch out for that one now. Not sure I shd thank you for that info. But thanks anyway.
@roel.vinckens
@roel.vinckens 4 года назад
Enjoy the well earned vacation! Would love to see your choice of knive(s) for the great outdoors... Regarding the Elementum, the s35vn would be my first choice for the blade quality and sliceyness.
@Errcyco
@Errcyco Год назад
I’ve had a few, all D2, and seriously open and close so nice and perfectly. The machining rug on the blade is perfect and subtle while being complicated. Very cool knife for $50 Remember, the E2 is a good deal thicker. So if size matters get the original Elementum.
@theculprit101
@theculprit101 3 года назад
This knife has really grown on me. I have a wyvern and statera already but when I save up, I'm definitely getting the S35VN for my new EDC.
@TheKnifeBeater
@TheKnifeBeater 3 года назад
Those are 2 good ones you have already, but the S35VN Elementum is still worth the purchase.
@beyproctor7673
@beyproctor7673 2 года назад
Brown micarta here. It does have great action! I got it because of a different secret about the Elementum. I was upset because my basically new RAT2 in D2 had started rusting in the liner! The Elementum has stainless liners though. Nice touch if you be getting your knife wet from time to time. I still really like my R2D2 with carbon fiber scales a lot though.
@aaronmabram
@aaronmabram 4 года назад
I have a copper, brass and blue G10. The copper is probably my favorite. I have my eye on several other variations in the future!
@outbackwack368
@outbackwack368 4 года назад
I only learned about Civivi through you, Jay, and I like what I see. I definitely like that S35VN color combo and it may have to be my next knife. Enjoy your fishin' weekend! Can you filet with a Civivi? lol
@canaanbreen2834
@canaanbreen2834 4 года назад
I thought they did a Damascus version of the elementum. That S35 knife is so nice. Enjoy your trip!
@stevekoelliker6764
@stevekoelliker6764 3 года назад
I have the OD green micarta with D2 blade. Bought the Pintail to try out the S35VN and like it but the ergos on the Elementum are better to me than on the Pintail. Might have to get the S35VN Elementum as well.
@b-rad5436
@b-rad5436 4 года назад
I only have one Civivi Elementum and it's the Brown Micarta, D2 blade steel version and I love it. I've tuned it up and it operates flawlessly. The CPM-S35VN model seems nice and the Damascus w/ G10 carbon fiber version also looks interesting. Hey how about the wood handle Elementum.
@SKVektus
@SKVektus 4 года назад
I got the same green micarta black stonewash Elementum, though I'm sad to report mine has a weak detent. My original elementum (the carbon fiber w/ damascus version) has a perfect detent--you cannot fail to deploy the knife. This new one though, I feared I was going to have to send it back, until I figured out a new way to flip it. Instead of "light switch" flicking the flipper, I can apply pressure angled more inward toward the pivot (~45 degrees between pivot and down the spine) to get it to reliably deploy. As a bonus, the weaker detent makes it far more "drop-shutty" and it still has rock solid lockup. I love it, I just wish it was as satisfying to flip as my original.
@benallan2555
@benallan2555 4 года назад
I have my 2nd Civivi knife coming next week🤞🏼 OG Elementum D2 green G10. The Praxis will have a cutting buddy!!!
@BassMaster.454
@BassMaster.454 Год назад
I have one in D2 steel, green micarta, and a black oxidized blade. Its my only good flipper, as I own mostly lockbacks, but great for when Im not gonna be using my knife very hard. And as for the pocket clip tip up is the only way to carry it.
@philhawley4445
@philhawley4445 4 года назад
I don’t own an Elementum yet. As soon as they make the clip reversible, I’ll buy one! Hopefully it will be a S35vn version. Enjoy the vacation Jay!
@ardeleandan
@ardeleandan 4 года назад
What are the advantages of a reversible clip? For left handed people!?!
@michaelhilton1275
@michaelhilton1275 4 года назад
I have a couple of blue elementums and one blue asticus. The S35VN version looks like a winner that I may need to add to the collection.
@Frizzlefry7
@Frizzlefry7 4 года назад
I think my favorite is the Jade S35VN. The best action though, that belongs to my Gray G10 Ele. My first purchase of the Elementum. I have too many different versions that I passed on the latest green one cause I don’t care much for the slick micarta they use. Have a great trip dude! I hope they’re bitin!
@Lemonhoko
@Lemonhoko 4 года назад
I got the brown micarta one...thats very slick...but the green s35vn knife has a cloth like micarta...feels very good in hand if you like that type of texture.
@Frizzlefry7
@Frizzlefry7 4 года назад
Lemon hoko Thank you for the info!
@plaguesofwrath
@plaguesofwrath 3 года назад
I recently picked up the s35vn version in the green micarta and it’s honestly blown my expectation out of the water. I’ve got several more expensive knives, but the Civivi has better action, better fit and finish, and a better factory edge than most of them. I think my Bugout CF Elite is probably still my favorite knife overall, but the Elementum is a very very close second.
@Errcyco
@Errcyco Год назад
The one thing they have going is there shop where they machine. The quality of machinery they have access too is better than most. Even Kizer struggles to make a simple well made knife.. Civivi makes it look easy.
@gutpile6151
@gutpile6151 3 года назад
I have the brown micarta. Awesome knife
@Dan-oz4qb
@Dan-oz4qb 2 года назад
Some right handed guys prefer to carry on the left side as well because the pew pew is in the right pocket. The Amazon box can wait while I clumsily pull the knife with my left hand but the other side must be quick and clean. I carry only knives with a reversible clip for that reason. The Elementum looks good but doesn't meet my needs in that regard. Nice review. 👍
@jaysgood10
@jaysgood10 4 года назад
Good info dude!
@trigganometry168
@trigganometry168 3 года назад
Black S35vn with green micarta for sure! Waiting for bladehq to restock
@ericramirez5499
@ericramirez5499 4 года назад
I have three with D2, gray, micarta and brass. The gray one is the one with flipping troubles, but I still love it. My green micarta S35 is awesome, except that the front scale isn’t the same green as the back, it’s more of a whitish gray with green tint...if that makes sense. I’m overlooking that flaw because it’s such a great knife.
@chrisk1609
@chrisk1609 3 года назад
I got mine flipping as smoothly as my ZT 0460 by removing the heavy weight syrup like oil civivi used on the KVT bearings and replacing it with a dab of teflon grease. Same for the detent balls track. Now it flips butter smooth every time with no mis-flips.
@ddyoder
@ddyoder 3 года назад
i have the D2 variant with wood/black blade (Cuibourtia Wood) which I love. If i snag another, will likely go with a S35 upgraded steel variant
@vinnie_baggadonuts
@vinnie_baggadonuts 4 года назад
I have the copper and the brass ones. I'm going to get the OD green micarta in S35 as well
@scottbenefield3184
@scottbenefield3184 4 года назад
Definitely the S35 enjoy your fishing trip and good luck brother
@pop4803
@pop4803 3 года назад
I wish you would try the copper for cutting. I found in cutting over and over again on a factory job. Many made brass scales because cutting for 12 hours that heft made a difference in cutting. Just an experience from years in a factory.
@michaelkuhns416
@michaelkuhns416 Год назад
Thanks Jay!
@JohnGriffith222
@JohnGriffith222 2 года назад
I just got that bronze one. The action was really stiff when I first got it but after a few hundred flips it’s loosened up. Flip yours some to get it how you like.
@michaellabus6447
@michaellabus6447 3 года назад
I have the Brown mica rat, my first Elementum and the jade, my second. And…I just picked up both Elementum fixed blades the black tactical one with the kydex sheath and the satin blade with the beautifully stacked handle.
@MrBarnea
@MrBarnea 4 года назад
I love what Civivi is doing, things coming out of China are getting better and more affordable for the working folks. Suddenly my wife is more supportive of my hobby since it's not as expensive lol. Thanks for a great vid as always Jay. Have fun at the lake.
@shastaham7630
@shastaham7630 3 года назад
I will be buying a basic Elementum with D2 steel and black G10 scales, not because it’s the least expensive, but because I like the ease of sharpening (stropping) D2 and because I prefer G10 (fiberglass) to micarta. I am currently using a Wyvern and it’s the best knife I’ve ever owned. I want an Elementum only because the blade is slightly wider.
@OptimusBri22
@OptimusBri22 4 года назад
Great review, Jay. For me, even though the action isn't as good as the others, the copper is aesthetically more pleasing. Oh enjoy your vacation!
@bignicktex
@bignicktex 4 года назад
I agree with this. The patina factor is a plus for me.
@armandcouture4655
@armandcouture4655 3 года назад
Which is better looking the copper or brass?
@PatSmith-cp8rg
@PatSmith-cp8rg 4 года назад
Fishing in WI ? Have a great time and enjoy the weather.
@RC-el3uv
@RC-el3uv 4 года назад
I have the brown micarta and D2 version and am glad that I missed the G10 and S35VN one in favor of next getting the green micarta and S35VN version. Sadly I will have to wait for the next restock. I am torn between the dlc and satin finish, think I will probably also go dlc. Looks good.
@edgblades
@edgblades 4 года назад
If I were to have any, itd the satin d2 & micarta. Have a great time, hope you catch plenty big ones! What will be your fishing carry knife?
@Ant24RAD
@Ant24RAD 4 года назад
Haha, I bought the copper elementum first because it looked so awesome. I struggled to want to carry it due to the weight and action. At first I figure the elementum talk was just hype, but I am glad they dropped the s35vn in micarta. Some temptations are too strong. This knife is not only my favorite Civivi, but stands up to much more expensive knifes in my collection.
@TheKnifeBeater
@TheKnifeBeater 4 года назад
Yeah, I really wanted to love the copper Elementum too. You made some very valid points here. Thank you.
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