Classical Composer Reacts to 2112 (Rush) (Reaction and Analysis | The Daily Doug (Episode 111) 

That's how old lots of the founding fathers of the US were too. Good years.

Rush did not become a legend with time, they already started being legends.

Was just watchin Straight Out Of Compton. Just realized the similarities between these two bands, completely diff genre’s the establiment told NWA that gangsta rap wouldn’t sell. Both these HOF bands did it they’re way ultimately

Specifically, they were told to sound "more like Bad Company".

@@SylviusTheMad Wow. They ignored the hell out of that!

B side is pretty radio friendly though. And aside from the length, the tittle track has some catchy sections that could have been turned into a single for airplay purposes. 2112 is much more commercially viable than Caress of Steel I think.

ElectraGlide In Blue? Like the movie

100%

No doubt.

4 SURE!

Wrong

Tomas Haake (the drummer for Meshuggah) also has some amazing lyrics. Tomas even credits Neil as one of his biggest inspirations.

😲😲😲😲 I never noticed that. Thank You. 👍🇨🇦👍

I use it for my ring tone. Never fails to get a wtf in public.

@@dieselbourbon3728 I used it as my email signature at work for years and people were totally lost.

@@dieselbourbon3728Good one. I have been using Fanfare For A Common Man from ELP for my ring tone for years. Have yet to come across someone who knows what it is. Most are like WTF is that?

I was usually too engrossed in the music to ever count, and I've been listening to 2112 for over 30 years. Never too old to learn. Thanks!

Perfect

I think the story goes that Neil was too wrapped up in his books to be able to write a Bad Company kind of song. He wrote what he knew at the time, and that was the books he read while on your.

I bought this album as soon as it came out, it blew me away. They basically told the label to go pack sand, and did what they wanted. Big balls, real men, class act. This guy said it's been 45 years...holy sht...seems like yesterday.

'is this radio friendly enough for you?'

One of probably 2,112 reasons why they're the best band ever

I wish you lived in our neighborhood (in Hawaii). We need a bassist for our rush music ;)

Correct. Peart said later it was the Elder Race (of men) that came back to challenge the Priests and they battled and the Elder Race won.

The Priests of the Temple of Syrinx are Jack Dorsey, Mark Zuckerberg . . . etc.

@@t00by00zer I'd say the red star is communism i.e. collectivism. Collectivism vs individuality.

And let's hope that happens .

No the elder race was on another planet and time that the oracle took him to. In the end his life blood spills over because he's stuck in that world of enslavement, socialism

brill!!! ;0

Exactly! I've no idea how many times I've heard it and I still get chills up my spine at the end. Holy shit indeed!

I kinda think that it was my first reaction too

Said same when I first heard and read lyrics in 1976. 46years ago… 😜

Right up there with his dumbfounded "Holy Shit" at the end.

Somehow I can even hear his voice when reading it. He had such a clear and soothing voice in interviews, and the articulacy (if that's a word) of his lyrics comes through in his spoken words. RIP Neil.

yeah. he was basically using the label to mean the opposite of what most people who use that label mean. at least it's good to know that when he reached adulthood he escaped the rand mentality.

@@sabin97 if by Rand mentality you mean her definition of the virtue of selfishness, then yeah I agree with you. Her philosophy of Objectivism is a very static conception to me that seemed to need a lot more work to be taken seriously.

@@stantheman9072 i mean EVERYTHING that people who label themselves "libertarian" stand for. EVERY SINGLE THING. they are a fringe minority for a reason. their ideas are too dumb for even the dumb masses. when you press them for specifics of what they believe it ALWAYS ends up in(and i'm paraphrasing because they lack the testicular fortitude to tell you straight like they think about it): "the poor should just fuck off and die, because maaaah properteeeeehhhh"

@@sabin97 so good to know you have such fortitude and insight to know what libertarians “really” mean when they dare say what they think. What I hear of libertarians is more like leave me alone to mind my business and I’ll leave you alone to mind yours. It’s hard to build any sort of civic activity on that basis, so they always sound squishy on practical matters like how you would accomplish some social goal. They don’t really have any because their idea of society is built from the individual out, not defined from the top down. Your interpretation of their guiding philosophy is hackneyed and puerile, and you sound like a typical “progressive” bully...the kind of ideologically-driven zealot that radicalism grows. Personally I like public policy that is built on consent rather than grand schemes of great societies to build. Human beings have always failed at that and America will too as we try it.

I never thought of that. Bravo, Stuart.

Never hit me til now

I thought is was simply the year of a time in the future where this story takes place, but I like your explanation too.

@@MrYatesj1 it’s both

👏

Alex has said in interviews that he didn't know what to do, so he just started tuning his guitar.

There's so much pure magic in that sequence. Then it gets into the next movement and goes SO dark...

@@ConceptJunkie He did one heluva good job at " tuning" .

The world is truly not a better place with the absence of RUSH. RIP PROFESSOR🙏🙏🙏

For sure. First time i heard it, i thought, oh, yeah. I'll just do THAT and learn to play...🙄😤😅

To be fair, there are some overdubs. Nevertheless, as you state, they pull 2112 off quite well live. I've been listening to Rush In Rio over the past couple of days. While the audio quality is a bit dodgy, the performances are stellar!

The crowd jumping up and down and singing all the songs with such mad energy makes the concert interplanetary. Limelight, they sing the melody. It’s E P I C!!!

@@vvrroomm68 - Ha! So, I'm not the only one who "sings" the instruments as well as the words! I generally stick to the lower register these days and weave between the bass and guitar parts. For the record, I generally do a very simplified version of many bass lines. People like Geddy Lee, Chris Squire, Greg Lake, etc are impossible to follow note-for-note vocally.

Very well said. The better players are very hard to voice their lines. If you watch Limelight in Rush Live in Rio you will see what I mean. Cheers.

I felt the same way!! Such an unreal band to see live

this is generally the case with overtures

@@DrWhom I love how Doug hears the 1812 overture in there towards the finale of the 2112 overture. For 44 years, I have played air guitar to that and never placed it.

Tommy- so true. This was the album of my youth and still one of favorites more than 40 yrs later

Well that's what an overture is.

Cause IS AN OVERTURE?!

We the listeners were also winners! By record sales, the company was also a winner! Everyone wins!

_We are the priests of the Temples of Syrinx._ It was more than 45 years before I found out that a syrinx is a songbird's voice box, like our larynx. True Story. {:-:-:}

Rush created their own subsidary within the label, called Anthem Records, to have absolute control on their output from 1976 onwards. No executive in the record company could tell them what to do, so they just did what they wanted, and were brilliant at that.

Similar to Eli's response, they always "assumed control" (hehehe). They created on their own terms, to the dismay of the priests of the record company. If the record didn't work, their lifeblood (with the record company) would have spilled over.

@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 I remember when I learned this. Now. It was now that I learned this.

I am pretty sure the guy was about to kill himself, until the people the Oracle showed him to (the Elder Race) came back and bombed the Solar Federation. Still, it is a ripper song.

@@robertziel2294 no, he killed himself after the Oracle showed him the elder race's society.

@@gojifan54gaming15 eh whatever. People can interpret it how they want.

On one interview with Geddy, he was talking about Rush not getting radio play because of their esoteric and fantastical lyrics. " I mean, 'By-Tor and the Snow Dog', what the hell is THAT??" Ha ha ha ha!!!

@@robertziel2294 "...my life blood spills over." The young protagonist most definitely takes his own life.

I think in light of the way the world has been headed in the last decade it's more relevant than ever... the "priests" have amused control. When it comes to the music still being resonant... that's just a mark of it's brilliance... Beethoven is still popular!

Came here looking for this comment. How genius was Neil frikkin Peart?

I've been a fan of this band since the late 90's when a good friend of mine enlightened me with this band. I am forever grateful to him for opening my eyes and my mind. I never realized this previously! This is amazing! I hope my fan card will not be revoked for being so late to the party!

Never made that connection before. Brilliant.

Okay, so if that is not a coincidence, then an excellent observation, and yes, Neil Peart was a genius.

@@RJrod34 love for Rush is always gladly shared...never revoked. I’ve been a fan since All the Worlds a Stage hit the streets. Always room for more!

Blew my mind as a child...still does today. Note. Songs on side 2 are awesome too.

This song Completely directed my musical listening since third grade

Especially now that we've last Neil.

I never cry. Or? OK, Elwood - gone? OMjove. On my knees. Thank you my X Minnesotan one for her saving my sore sorry. IMHO, God needed The Professor home. Safe.

@@stephendedalus4566 well, Neil would disagree, but I understand the sentiment.

Precursors to prog

@@MrDeactivator2 Rush were precursors to prog metal but they actually came after the peak years of prog rock, which were roughly 1971-1975.

@@elimalinsky7069 Exactly, they often aren't progressive, compared to all the Prog bands before them, they sound like a more thoughtful version of 70s hard rock, its good music, just not that progressive

@@sapiensfromterra5103 Some people claim Rush is hard rock with prog rock elements, rather than a true prog band. Their prog era was quite brief in comparison to the band's 50 years of operation (1968-2018), starting with Caress of Steel in 1975 and ending in Moving Pictures in 1981. From Signals onwards it's mostly hard rock/alt rock with prog elements and some new wave elemenets in the 80s.

Rush was the pinnacle of prog rock. Even though they came a bit early, no one has ever really topped them in complexity. Just like you said, no one else really had as many time changes, key changes, real story-telling and put it together in a cohesive way. That’s why even their very long songs never get boring, like many others. With Neil, there was no ambiguous lyrics that can be interpreted a thousand ways. At least not in the early years. It was straight out, old fashion story-telling. There has never been anything like them. Like Gene Simmons says, “what is Rush? Rush is Rush”. They created their own genre and morphed it over the years to keep things fresh. I dare anyone to name a group like Rush. Some have tried, but no one really captured the essence of what makes Rush great and a legend. I watched a reaction from two guys in Las Vegas react to La Villa Strangiato. They said that their fans had requested a lot of other prog rock prior to hear La Villa and they just couldn’t get it with the other music. They said they could now see what the others were trying to do, but just missed the target. They said every other prog rock stuff requested was complicated, with lots of changes in time signature, key and everything else, but just wasn’t coherent. After hearing La Villa Strangiato, they said they finally got what all the other were trying to do, but failed. They finally understood why Rush fans were so fanatical about the group. They said only Rush was able to make a song with so many changes and keep their attention the entire 9 minutes. According to them, only Rush really captured what was prog rock, fusing elements of jazz, classical, R&B and metal together to create an instrumental that tells the story of Alex’s dream. They saw what all Rush fans know. There is no other prog rock group like Rush, if you want to call their music prog rock? I think they’re right. All of the other prog rock bands go overboard trying to make a song complex, but forget the first rule, it has to be a song. It can’t get so bogged down in quick time signature changes and crazy key changes and forget that it has to meld together to create a musical story, a coherent song. Rush never lost sight of the music and that making a good song was first. That was why they fought the record executives on that fact and thankfully for all,of us, they won. Had 2112 failed, there’d be no Rush. It’s funny how we can do our best work when our ass is against the wrecking machine and that’s what Rush did. They took all that angst and frustration out in the music and boy did it work. We all got a masterpiece. 2112 is nothing short of a masterpiece because it never forgets to be a song first. It tells a great story of individuality and how the creativity of the artist or artisan cannot be stifled by society.

Yeah, Geddy and Alex were 22 and Neil was 23. Crazy

Been playing bass 30 years I still can’t touch this

@@chrisbassartist4344 I hear you. 40 years for me this year and it’s well beyond me.

Blows my mind that they were even younger when writing Caress Of Steel!

@@manmoth_1990 they were even younger before then, too!

Corvids, not covids.

lol. he's not ready for that

@Julian Slavin A good trip

Beginning with The Necromancer.

@UCuDm-G3nVBEDPZOeWwnf6Ww Of 2112? Man that’s tough for me. I’m gonna have to go with 3 though. I mean, gosh those guitar chords sound beautiful. And it’s incredibly genius that it’s actually part of the story, of him discovering the guitar after so long and learning to play. It’s captured musically so well and captures the image of the cave just as well. But honestly, every movement in this song is executed so well I can’t even be sure which is my favorite to be honest.

@@navydad1475 well, technically if you do the Necromancer, you have to start with By-Tor and the Snow Dog. Im down for all 3 songs, so doesn't matter to me lol

Jack Dorsey, Mark Zuckerborg . . .

@@t00by00zer based on Ayn Rand's "Anthem". Nuff said.

@@sillygirl3284 In the book, they were the ones in charge of deciding each person's career in life. When the hero discovers a light bulb, he goes to them hoping he will be allowed a change of occupation so he can study it. He is denied because they already knew about it, but wouldn't allow it to become common knowledge because it would destroy the careers of the candle makers. In Anthem, the hero was neither rich nor powerful.

The Elder Race are the Rush fans.

@@t00by00zer YES!! Sad ,ugly and ironic truth. Lots more than those also. So relevant is 2112 to 2022. IMO. Good call! " They left our planets long ago The elder race still learn and grow Their power grows with purpose strong To claim the home where they belong Home to tear the Temples down... Home to change!

Funny that you would say that this is The Pinnacle of rock. I actually think that The Pinnacle, by Kansas is the pinnacle of rock.

I thought they had admitted to being fond of Ayn Rand in their youths, and then falling away from her (rightfully so, in my mind, as someone who enjoyed Ayn Rand in high school and then very much came to hate her). I could be wrong, but I thought I read this in an interview they did. (I know this was only a small piece of your comment, and I have no real reason to say this at all, because you're probably right, but I would like to know if what I read online was incorrect, as it often ends up being so.)

@@wallyboyd I hope people don't hate her. Pity her (some people may think that is worse) and learn from her mistake. Margret Lawrence wrote The Stone Angel which explores this type of vanity, it is a classic, many Russian writers too). She forced herself to hold to this singular convictions instead of experiencing and expanding the human existence. Those who exalted her writing ended up abandoning her, ironically by forming their societal clique, abandoning the concept of only the self in a tribal world. She died alone and in poverty.

Bubbles

@@siddokis2945 You are correct, been a while since I've seen it.

Ricky was a fan of Helix, not Rush.

@@theinsaneshecklador6598 R-O-C-K, and the crowd yells rock! Now that’s a fucking show! Lol

@@joshzickus8394 I'm not givin' anyone a fuckin' R.

Nicely put, young man.

Truth be told, "Caress of Steel" was my very first complete album RUSH experience and in my opinion is very underrated and one of my favorite RUSH albums.

so funny, their FU to the record company ended up being a huge record for them. poetic

It was their final album under the band's original contract. I had the feeling they thought this may be their last time with access to a major recording studio so they decided to check off everything they wanted to try, then pour it into one album.

I heard this album at a friend's house when I was in middle school. It was brand new and his older brother was jamming the album really loud. The second I heard the intro drum fill for Temples of Syrinx I instantly knew I wanted to play drums. Now, all these years later, I'm still playing. And still devoted to Neil's influence.

Jack... relax... get busy with the facts.

@@eccehomer8182 -- I read that the Roll the Bones rap was Geddy's voice slowed down... although I would have guessed it was Neil.

Neil was a true poet.

so deep

Democratic Socialists. Scares the hell out of me.

The merging of the agendas of our corporate elites with our government officials. Computers fill the hallowed halls of our new big tech overlords. How prophetic.

Foreshadowing? This was happening long before Rush made 2112.

@@timz9862 and now made manifest before our very eyes.

But it wasn't played in its entirety until they were in their 40s on the Test For Echo tour. That's my favorite live performance of it.

@@DamienDrake Look around some more . It was played it it's entirety decades ago many times.

@@randyfurness5588If you can prove it, do so. The Test For Echo tour was an event because it was the first tour where they played without an opening act and the first time they played all of 2112 live.

Do you mean “no added tracks?” There are plenty of effects.

Amazing indeed

If you've ever read "Anthem" by Ayn Rand, it's very nearly the same story as 2112, only in Rand's telling, it was (literally) a lightbulb rather than a guitar. Neil gave a tip of the hat to Ayn when someone handed him a copy of Anthem and he realized how incredibly similar the two stories were. He didn't "swipe it", as some have said, but after reading Anthem , he recognized how close to identical they are, and so we have the liner note "With acknowledgement to the genius of Ayn Rand".

@@manmoth_1990 that's interesting to note. I always thought the voices at the end were the Elder Race of man coming to liberate humanity from the priests. Obviously, given their capacity to grow culturally, they would easily outstrip the technological and organizational capabilities of the priests. For me, the tragedy came because the starman protagonist had given up hope, and committed suicide right before the liberation. He had betrayed his ideals and was not saved with the rest of humanity from the tyranny of syrinx. Which also felt like an allegory for the band.

@@manmoth_1990 I always read it as the protagonist commits suicide after his appeal to the Priests is met with absolute condemnation, only to do so just before The Elder Race of Man returns to liberate. He tragically gives up hope on the eve of the change he pleads for. That is, its message has always been don't surrender. In fact, during countless discussions of the story over 40 years, that's been the majority consensus. Interesting.

Gosh you guys, I had remembered it all wrong! It's the good guys at the end all along. I think I actually might have confused some old fan theory with Neil's comments. Here is Neil explaining it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iBGxDjF7VXI.html

I always saw it as the bad guys taking control at the end - I guess the futile nihilistic reading appealed to me!

I don't think it is even arguable. Neil was the best drummer - period. In fact, I would say all three of them are in the top five of their respective talents. Alex was overshadowed a lot by Neil and Geddy, but he is a master guitarist!

Absolutely the Best Drummer Ever. No argument!

Neil had a PHD is why they called him the professor

Arguably. I can think of two I think are better.

@@coachhannah2403 name them

I am so bummed that we will never hear Neil and ultimate wisdom and foresight and beauty of his writing the world has truly lost a genius. If the heads of state in this world ever listen to this music things would be different I truly believe. This is divine intervention being brought to the world through music and I believe everybody on the planet should listen to what Neil has to say

Probably a large part of how this resonated with people was growing up with parents who saw rock music as a frivolous pastime that wouldn’t support them as a career, or other people feeling like having their dreams crushed by systems that preferred conformity to individuality. It’s a pretty common feeling and the song was crafted well to tap into it.

"2112" was basically Rush reacting to the cold reception to their previous album which had TWO epic length tracks. "We do this and it's our last album ever, or people love it and we get more freedom". Dream Theater had the same thing going for them with "Scenes from a Memory". The record label spent too much time intervening on "Falling into Infinity" and even forced an outside songwriter on one track... and their next album was kind of just "we're gonna pour our passions into a concept album and if it breaks us, at least we went out on OUR terms", and it turned out to be one of their most successful albums, due to the PASSION that went into it. "2112" is much the same story. They poured their passion into it, and it paid off.

The record company hated Caress of Steel. This was their response to "fix it or else"

@@jsmctch Yeah, they went with ‘or else’.

@@sean---the-other-one well said

Thanks! Great info.

Arrived too late. But frankly, I couldn't do better. Well done, sir!

Sounds like a babbling brook to me, not a waterfall or heavy rain.

It is a waterfall as he is in a cave behind.....a waterfall.

@@OriginalMergatroid Yes, but I have my doubts that the sound is actually a waterfall, even though it is indeed supposed to represent one.

I recall my "Holy Shit" moment too: a powerful recommendation lead to that moment in my bedroom in 1982, my brother's hand-me-down stereo and 2112 on 8 track. Made my heart race and brought tears to my eyes. Played that 8 track through many repairs. Thank you Ritchie B., for your insistence and the glimmer in your eyes.

Wow that is awesome and when was the Massey Hall concert? That is a lot of times to have been blessed to see them for sure!! The final concerts, Wed. and Friday in Toronto, I will never forget, saw the Friday concert, and that is the one they used on the Blu Ray, it was so on fire, and Geddy's singing, and all of it, they went out on the highest of high notes!! Hope you got the Blu Ray, it was so well produced and captures that amazing moment!!

@@gregemerson7648 Massey hall was in 1976, I don't remember the date but it was early in the year, and it was cold outside. But I would trade a few of those concerts to see the farewell tour. I have a few videos from friends that were there, but certainly limited, and in no way the same. Yes the Blu Ray is a great keepsake, and the best we will ever have now.

@@earthrise3672 1976 incredible! My first concert was Presto I went to both of them in a row you opening group was Mega Heavy Metal ish LOL. I did manage to see them in Buffalo outdoor concert and fireworks are going off at was July 4th that was really cool and eventually I saw them in Cincinnati as well really cool outdoor venue called Riverbend! It's great that they did time stand still documentary, and be very interesting to see that entire concert! I guess one way of looking at it is imagine how many people are becoming fans and never saw them at all🎯

Absolute truth!

Right on @Xander Daniels! Check out the remastered versions. The production is indeed awesome. Listen for the acoustic guitar throughout the first couple movements.

Yeah that’s what I noticed as well, for the mid 70s this is top tier sounding production.

On a borrowed guitar, no less. And a Strat, which isn't Alex's thing.

No not a savant…A professional.

Broon!!

Thanks Eric

Please read: Ballad of the Whiskey Robber , amazing!​@@Doug.Helvering

​​@@Doug.HelveringI don't know if you noticed this, but the STRANGE DEVICE was first used in The Revealing Science Of God by Yes 2 1/2 years earlier. Where in that Yes song on the record that STRANGE DEVICE is found is directly "behind my beloved waterfall." on the front cover of Tales From Topographic Oceans like in the story before Discovery. Yes followed up on them in 1987 on the song Big Generator. That is the only occurrences of the STRANGE DEVICE in all music. If anyone knows of more STRANGE DEVICE references, please devulge here.

Neil was my hero from a very young age. His death was a very sad time for me.

After seeing Rush live 10 times I have somewhat given up on seeing other acts I like live because they don't usually come anywhere close to sounding as good or better than the albums like Rush did. RIP Neil

I got this from a friend's brother. I asked him for his Fleetwood Mac album, Tusk, to make a copy for myself. He gave me that and then handed me 2112 and told me that was the album I needed to hear. No one has ever been so right in suggesting music for me.

So true Randy, even better live...how the hell it was possible defies all expectations

@@Ram-2112 It helped me living in Canada and them being Canadian ! Touring Canada once a year in the 70's was mandatory, LOL !!

I was JUST thinking that ...

What's also impressive to me is that they released Eight studio albums and 2 live albums while they were still in their twenties

We could use that to overthrow the Democrats and the BS they are pulling. We need to ASSUME CONTROL again!

@@michaelt3308 Well said.

@@michaelt3308 Just get off the internet and live your life. Nothing has been taken from you.

@@tomwisniewski8988 Yeah I'll prolly not take your advice. Don't think anything been taken from us..? 🤣😂😭 Wait and see. Where do I start? 🤔

@@michaelt3308 Name a freedom taken from you.

My dad heard it in its entirety on the radio during a midnight radio show where they played album sides. He went out to buy it the next day and got the last copy. Everybody and their brother had grabbed it after that broadcast!

You should as it's all you've got. Neil Young left in 1966. Wonder why?

Typically on the radio you will hear the Temples of Syrinx, not the whole song unfortunately.

97.7 used to play it through on the nightshift, the DJ would say it was time for bathroom/ smoke break time .

@@apollomemories7399 Get over yourself.

Think the first album, any aspiring guitarist learns to play , best is .....I know it most unusual to come before you so...

Same for me... on bass!

Side B is pretty damned good as well. 😊

YES!!! 2112 is a masterpiece!

What 4 are behind

The whole album is!

The whole album is a masterpiece.

Sara, have you heard of the Charismatic Voice? She is an Opera vocal coach/singer, and she recently broke down this album, there you find what you wanted to hear in that regard! She is fantastic!! They are all so gifted, and I really enjoyed his different insights, and the fact that that was a first time hearing it, no wonder he was sweating at the end, that is a lot to take in, just like a sophisticated classical piece!

Ah, a Sister-Lover! There's an album in there somewhere...

My sister gave me Fly by Night, she's also 63 now. At the time, my dad emptied our swimming pool so we could skateboard in it... I'd have a speaker in my window with Fly by Night playing ALL DAY LONG! lol! Every now and then I'd go in and flip sides. We put a lot of miles on that empty pool!

I'm 58 and drive my wife nuts when they come on.

@@grumpyoldbastard0563 my wife knows not to interrupt when Rush is on the radio

@@MartyDick Marty, she only goes nuts because I crank it to 11//// scratch that 12... lol

Kevin you are right wow is all you can say when you hear these three geniuses put out the messages that they put out for almost half a century

My favorite part of the song. The whole song is incredible, but Discovery is my favorite part

Exactly

Yes.

I agree, so much more mature. I always felt their early material was somewhat messy and unrefined.

If he is going to listen to Hemispheres, he has to listen to Cygnus X-1 first.

@@Rendclaw crossing my fingers for books I and II!!🤞

True!

You did already La Villa Strangiato from that album

I bought it in the summer of '77 and saw them live in the fall. I was so excited when I heard they would be playing in my area.

My first 2112 was in the 70's also. My cousins and I traded cassettes sometimes. I believe I got Rush 2112 and Aerosmith Rocks cassettes for my Floyd Wish You were Here and Animals cassettes ( I already had both of those on vinyl so it was a great trade for me.) 2112 made me a lifetime Rush fan and ended my Top 20 countdown days-- PS: Aerosmith Rocks is still their best album in my opinion, would love to hear Nobody's Fault on the radio

@@jaxindabox6221 I bought Rocks the same day I got 2112. You're right its Aerosmith's best album.

Agreed. Peary clarified that it was Rand’s concept of artistic liberty that appealed to him and that he and the band were not “Rand disciples” as some in the rock press labeled them.

I'm amazed that the one-size-fits-all crowd deifies Rand's writings. They adolescently fail to distinguish liberty from freedom.

Indeed a masterpc!

Agreed!

There is unrest in the forest..there is trouble with the trees for the maples want more sunlight but the oaks ignore their pleas.

Would be interesting to see Doug react to "Cygnus X-1" and "Cygnus X-1 Book II - Hemispheres" back to back. Discuss how they connect to and contrast from one another.

That duology of A Farewell to Kings and Hemispheres is their greatest work for me.

I need to make a correction on my post, what I meant to say was Neil was the one who voiced attention all pilots of the solar Federation we have assumed control. That was voiced at the end of side one on vinyl.

Yep, and those who operate the computers want conformity and not individuality, and the ones who control those computers are the 'priests'...we're there already, except we're 91 years early

@@thewildgoose7467 No, we're on track. The song takes place in a future where the computers and the new breed of technology-based priests are fully in control and have crushed the human spirit, not unlike the rebellion in the song Red Barchetta from the Moving Pictures album. We're not all the way there just yet, but that's where we are currently headed.

@@p3x1967 Well the 'technology-based priests' have essentially locked down practically the entire planet for over a year so we may be closer than you think? All major decisions are now being based on computer modelling which has been shown to be totally inaccurate on previous occasions (the term GI-GO or "garbage in - garbage out springs to mind) yet is being regarded as "science" so it must be infallible, right? Red Barchetta - Essentially a version of agenda 2030 where people are moved off the land and confined to big cities ("he said it used to be a farm, before the motor laws") Natural Science - Modern 'science' has sold out and is being used as a manipulation tool. ("Science like nature, must also be tamed, with a view towards it's preservation") Also all the lies being told by media, politicians, scientists, health 'experts'...("The most endangered species, the honest man") Freewill - ("A planet of playthings, we dance on the strings, of powers we cannot perceive") Digital Man - Essentially this whole song ("His world is under observation, we monitor his station") or.... ("His world is under anesthetic, subdivided and synthetic, his reliance on the giants, in the science of the day")

You should read "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison.

@@thewildgoose7467 AI is supposedly running the usa, all the capitals are deserted.

Leans into the camera, "This guy's a savant!" Yeah, I laughed too. Doug seems a fun guy. I'd drink with him :)

@@jeffreyboyer3714 agreed

@@robbiburrell1168 Ill third that!

That your bass player did that is so appropriate.

That is hilarious!

Lmao 🤣

That is a good bit. She didn’t think it was amusing?

My introduction to the meaning of ‘tragedy.’ “Oh no, surely he didn’t kill himself just before his dream came true…”. The emotion is so much more powerful, and 45 years later, it still hurts. Awesome!