Cliffe Debates An Atheist On God’s Existence (FULL DEBATE) 

This young gentleman is so respectful and humble. God bless him..!

Finally, a calm conversation about religion between a Christian and an atheist

Anyone else like this kid ? He’s genuine

If only more Atheists could be like this boy....he's so humble

Much respect to this young man, and thank you Lord for giving him ears to hear.

Until proven otherwise: Logic rules, religion fools.

This Preacher is precise and caring, some us let our emotions get the better of us. I don't see how you can take God out of this Earth and Life, millions of species, millions of cells in our eyes to see Him yet some don't. He is the Author of life.

There is no debate. God exists solely in the minds of people with faith.

I was an atheist for many years, and if I had met Cliffe debate our lord and savior I would have absolutely been blown away

05:45 this is how you talk to short people

This is awesome! A healthy, nontoxic debate between two people who have very different beliefs.

I’m an atheist and none of that convinced me

Which god? Thor? Zeus? Allah? Apollo? Jehovah? Set? Ganesha? Loki? Let me guess: "The ONE true God", which just happens to be YOUR God. Convenient! Where's your demonstrable n falsifiable evidence for your God?

God doesn t have a beginning, because he is "the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the *Beginning* and the End"

I love Jesus❤

If god can be eternal so can the universe/multiverse. End of story.

4:32 - it's not "you have an 8th value" in the subtitles. It's "you have INNATE value".

Cliffe talking about science is making people dumber.

0:16 "Order and design do not come out of chaos by chance." Cliffe is going to have to pin down what he means by "chaos". Chaos actually speaks to how difficult something may be to predict due to the number of factors affecting it. That is to say, we cannot easily predict complex outcomes. Order regularly emerges from chaos (like the collection of matter into stars and planets due to gravity). The system is too complex to predict exactly what stars or planets will form from any given nebula, but we can predict that stars and planets will form.

All God believers are like "I don't know why, therefore God exist".

It is not a riveting debate. Cliffe cannot debate because what he says is so illogical. God is eternal. Why? Because he is. Can that not apply to the universe? No. Why not? Because it had a beginning. Did god not have a beginning? No. Why not? Because he is eternal. The circularity makes one dizzy yet Cliffe seems quite happy with that. The young man has the wisdom to understand that it is useless to discuss with Cliffe.

"(FULL DEBATE)" Nine minutes. A real deep dive into the topic.

Remember the atheist formula: Insult God insult Christians insult Christianity = they win the debate. "Show me how to make a Chocolate cake without sugar, cream, or chocolate. Now go ahead. That's how they sound. To try and discredit The Bible then ask us to debate. Makes zero sense. That young man is miles ahead of the typical atheist. He was willing to listen...

He's so respectful and humble, imagine what christianity could do for him and make of him. He's going somewhere if he lets the Holy Spirit in.

Don’t disturb God, he is busy watching wars.

Pain is how we make rational thoughts. If we feel physical or mental pain we tend to stop doing whatever it is that is hurting us.

This is just like believing in the tooth fairy, no proof

I love the arguments and conversation here, especially the respect and thought-provoking material given by all sides, however, there is one thing I think Cliffe and I disagree with, or at least to an extent depending on how he defines it, and it definitely doesn't go with most scientists, though I would say it actually does align with science. Evolution isn't actually as proven as people think, and it doesn't necessarily have nearly as much evidence, or even as much backing as people think. At least, it doesn't have evidential based backing. One of the biggest problems with modern evolution and evolutionary theory is that, almost every reason, from each generation's childhood, that was used as evidence and major breakthroughs in the theory of evolution has been disproven, and virtually every scientists supports the theory, and doesn't give any pushback or even challenge it, which means quite frankly until it gets serious scrutiny, it has once again become an extremely ignorant theory based on sheer assumption and faith without evidence. The theory of evolution alone is proven wrong, at least from a scientific perspective without the necessity of God, due to irreducible complexity, which the early evidence given by Charles Darwin as a flaw was the eyeball and the functions it has, and I would also argue even down to skin and how it interacts with hair follicles, blood, blood types, blood vessels, different layers of skin, individual muscles, bones, arteries, the heart, a lot of the stuff can't actually be reduced all that far, and the few parts of this that can be reduced, it can't be added out of order through millions of years, it would have to be added relatively instantaneously or at max within a single generation to be able to function properly. Macro evolution does not actually hold any water anymore, even if you use it from the Christian perspective of God initiating evolution As a form of intelligent process, the actual evidence of evolution is not only lacking, it doesn't make sense even from God's perspective unless every step of the was its own individual miracle. Microevolution is a fancy word for adaptation, which has been proven by Charles Darwin and many others from the same bird across different areas and other such similarities. Adaptation is relatively normal, your average human who decides to become a hard worker after being a scholar or at school and learning guitar is going to have rougher hands and calluses, this is not the primary evidence towards microevolution, but this is an example of adaptation, as it doesn't just come from scabbing. Other examples include Darwin's birds He studied on an island. We have abundance of proof and evidence for adaptation and microevolution, but we don't actually have any evidence whatsoever towards macroevolution, which is the main concept of evolutionary theory. Evolution doesn't actually explain anything, and even when you look at the charts for evolution, pretty much every species has come into existence ny instantaneously, not over millions of years otherwise we would be finding fossil records of the in between transition fossils and not just predecessor and descendant. In fact, if that were the case, we should still be seeing more in between species today, those in the middle of adaptation where is very clear, yet we can't actually point to any of those except for those that are in the same species family in the kingdom of animalia, and though scientists say that those have evolved similar, that's not what they're trying to say. There are many things about today that do not make sense in terms of evolution, especially when you take the fact that evolution should be the adaptation long-term to change to meet a higher standard or better quality, or on rare occasion a worse quality if there was a temporary reason to believe it was better, from the body standpoint, yet there are many things even just about the human body and the human mind that don't make sense as an evolutionary theory. Evolutionary theory simply just does not hold any actual sense of evidence, and in my opinion, it takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in God, especially when you consider believing the Big bang was something initiated from nothing and by nothing to create order and design also takes a respectable amount of faith I don't see many have in actual religions. The scientific standard of evolutionary theory, and especially of Big bang theory, particularly in cases where one believes in the non-existence of God and simply scientific processes naturally, and even more so when you have people who believe in the concept of living in a black hole or multiverse theory, these are all things that take far more faith and have far less evidence than even some other religions beyond Christianity, and Christianity and Judaism actually do have a massive amount of evidence to convince their case unlike some unfortunately accepted scientific theories that are promoted by scientists and religions. Follow the evidence, not the people telling you their conclusion.

I’m thinking of writing a book “How to convert Atheists to Religion - A beginners Guide” and wondered if you had any advice? Remember people, this is about winning hearts and minds! This is what I’ve got so far: Chapter 1: How to mock science for the absurdity of claiming the universe a) has a beginning and/or b) has no beginning (is infinite), whilst proclaiming the obvious truth of an infinite God, with no sense of irony. Chapter 2: How to mock the legitimacy of science, using selective pseudo-scientific ideas, whilst proving God through the scientific principles established in any given holy book of choice. Chapter 3: How to mock science for having scientists with contradictory views, whilst explaining there is only one version of God (albeit it with thousands of different interpretations and contradictions). Chapter 4: How to mock atheists for having no concept of good and evil because they have to decide for themselves, whilst theists fully understand good and evil, because it’s whatever their God tells them (otherwise known as the ‘suicide bomber justification’). Chapter 5: How to mock atheists/scientists for not being certain about things, which is clearly a far inferior position to hold than the absolute certainty of truth that we hold as theists. Chapter 6: How to mock atheists/scientists for believing in evolution, because everyone knows that the world is only 6500 years old and you can’t possibly grow a man from a fish. Chapter 7: How to mock scientists for their concept of evidence, which seems to involve repeatedly and empirically testing claims to establish predictable outcomes, as opposed to the far superior documentary evidence of second hand witness accounts of first century peasants. Chapter 8: How to mock atheists for denying the power of prayer, when God clearly prioritises the faith healing of middle class Americans over the less deserving starving African masses. Chapter 9: How to mock atheists over their disrespect of our religious leaders, who are perfectly justified in covering up any form of corruption or criminal behaviour within their ranks, because they are Gods chosen ones and beyond reproach. It’s only in draft form at the moment, but any more ideas on how we can convert these lost souls, or alternatively remove these godless creatures from the face of the earth, in the name of god’s love, would be much appreciated.

Religions are transient. Christianity is fairly new. A newer one is Islam which looks like it’ll overtake Christianity soon. In 10K years there will be new ones that dominate.

ignoring the atheists nervousness in debate, cliffe made some seriously stupid points. right off the bat cliffe is completely wrong, order does in fact come out of chaos as well as chaos out of order. "how do you get something from nothing in evolution?" you dont. where the hell cliffe and his followers get that idea is beyond me. we dont have any reason to believe the universe came out of nothing in the big bang model. christians all believe that though. im too bored to keep going

Cliff debates Matt, poor cliff

Basically, we don’t know. He is just asserting that everything that begins to exist must have cause with giving no good proof.

I appreciate people like this student. They’re respectful and reasonable with genuine hearts and open minds to seek answers for what they do not understand. Not like those who immediately get triggered by the mere mention of God.

"Primordial soup" 1:02

We need more of these types of discussions.

Lots of gripes in here about Cliffe's claim that order can't come from chaos. Maybe a better way to put it is to ask, does disorder have creative power? Is entropy the cause of the upward pressure in biology toward ever more complex organisms? The examples I've seen so far in here if order from chaos are like claiming that water miraculously takes the shape of a bucket when poured into a bucket -- and therefore, given enough time, it will form itself into a world-class ice sculpture that can do your taxes and has hopes, fears and dreams. Disorder has no creative power in a universe where entropy is king. That pressure toward organization has to come from elsewhere.

God revealed himself as eternal? One has to be smoking something really powerful in order to believe that.

If you randomly sampled all the words in the English dictionary, eventually you’d get The Lord of the Rings.

Better to Think about GOD that can Give Eternal life with Great Something than Thinking about Death as the end of life and nothingness.

i love these intelligent minds earnestly seeking truth, asking questions they actually want answers for. may god bless and watch over them. bring them home! cliffe is such a good advocate for the most high.

I love this.. a nice calm debate without name calling and anger.

Without even watching a second of this video, the title is very misleading. No meaning debate happens in less than 9 minutes. Be honest and call this what it is: a discussion or interchange or conversation. It has no resemblance to a debate, by the sheer length of it alone. It is not uncommon for people to misuse the term “debate “ even with the best intentions.

Problem is no God has been proven let alone proven to be eternal

Religion answers everything to some. Forget logic and accept God, goddesses, angels, fairies, and all other spiritual hocus pocus. Science and theoretical evidence is real whether anyone believes it or not. You can show and prove a theory up to that point until more further data is needed to finalize it into fact. Not beliefs.

Bro is SPITTING straight FACTS

Christian here. Just as an atheist didn’t become that way without human influence, the same can be said about a Christian. I don’t think atheist ever think about that. Or if they do, they don’t acknowledge it. People teach other people and influence them. There is an arrogance to atheism. I know I once was one. Then I move to agnosticism, when I let my intellectual pride go. What a atheist really claims is, they have all the evidence in the world and prove that God does not exist. Some of the brightest people in the world that were atheist, most of them spend their entire life, decades trying to convince others that God isn’t real. I have heard every irrational argument supporting why they vehemently hate religious people. Probably the best was, a Christian(s) told my family they were going to hell, and my family was living in fear, so I’m on a mission to dismantle Christianity. I actually don’t believe that is true. This individual has a huge following on different online channels. Listening to him, you can tell he has a lot of hurt, and that he is fighting hard to keep himself convinced that there is zero possible of a higher power. It shows you that people care too much about what others think of them, and others opinions. There’s a lot more I could get into.

I'm a Muslim and you helped me understand the cosmological argument more clearly, thanks a lot.

Demonstrate that the universe came into existence.

"God doesn't have a beginning." Hearsay dismissed.

but... there is no proof, just saying.. so..

When has anyone seen something begin to exist? I mean, literally begin to exist. Not materials just changed around and given a new name.

“ an atheist will say a rational mind comes from the non rational. That doesnt make any sense.” Your right, your statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. A rational mind can absolutely be created from a non rational mind do you what that is called? EVOLUTION!

2:50 how you know God is eternal

How dumb can it get? Cliffe argues that claiming a universe comes from nothing is stupid, then happily asserts his god made it... from NOTHING! Saying it comes from nothing is a straw man anyway! We don't know for sure where it came from. The Big Bang wasn't necessarily the absolute beginning of everything, it was just the beginning of the universe as we know it, a point our current knowledge of physics allows us to see back to. It was a stage where sub atomic particles fluctuated in and out of existence. The current hypothesis is that a singularity of almost infinite heat and density rapidly inflated and created the first sub atomic particles. The Big Bang. But our current understanding of physics does not allow us to see back further than this rapid inflation. In fact we can't see back beyond the Planck Epoch. Anything prior to this is purely conjecture. But as the First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be converted from one form to another, we can conclude that the universe existed in a different form or state prior to the Big Bang. Perhaps as a ball of pure energy. Then he goes on to straw man atheists claiming atheists say their rational mind comes from the non rational and mocks it. I've never heard any atheist make that claim! You know your biblical cost for lying Cliffe!

He can logic his way to "God is eternal and has no beginning/end" but can't apply the same logic to the existence of the universe. Humans not fully understanding the timeline of the universe does not prove the existence of god.

I still wonder why some of these so called rational-minded people when they come to India, they accept Hinduism just like that. They hardly question the Sadhus.

I don’t see how any of Cliffe’s arguments are convincing.

Cliff proving again his lack of education! Evolution has nothing to do with origins. Evolution addresses how speciation occurs.

I am a solid Christian, and I thank this man for being very respectful.

Love Cliffe. He is awesome

Cliffe also doesn’t understand survival of the fittest LOL

Who made god

I have been atheist sine age 19. I am atheist now at 80. Atheism all the way.

God dose Exst.God is Almighty ❤️

A Masterpiece ❤ extremely Thought provoking ❤ thanks

God is the mos plausible explanation of everything.

Oh thanks for allowing a download which I was earnestly 😢waiting for. Goa india

Flying unicorns are real. Prove me wrong.

God of the gaps is not an explanation

Cliff talks nonsense every time and does not understand science.

This kid sounds so Lost. But he's Teachable. And that counts for something. I pray the Lord reveals himself to this young man.

BIG BANGS do not create but destroys !!!!!!!!!!!! 😉

Sees “Full Debate” in title. Sees 9:01 video Me who watches lots of debates on this subject “????😂😂”

It's interesting that something can't come from nothing unless that something is god because conveniently god has always been there.

Nothing about what he is saying is rational!!!!!

The creative mechanism for cause, is chemistry and physics!

Надеюсь переводчик работает. Для начала - я сторонник теории цикличности, что все во вселенной бесконечно расширяется и сжимается. Происходит Большой Взрыв, вся материя во вселенной сосредотачивается в одной точке, а затем расширяется, формируя звезды, галактики и черные дыры, а затем когда одна из черных дыр становится настолько тяжёлой, то она становится центром вселенной и останавлиет частицы которые вме ещë летят из-за большого взрыва. Таким образом все опять собирается в одной точке, материя обрушивается внутрь себя и опять происходит Большой Взрыв. И рассказывая про эту теорию вопрос: "Что было до Большого Взрыва, откуда взяласб вся материя?" также некоректен как вопрос "Кто создал бога?". Процесс цикличности бесконечен, а значит не имеет начала и конца, как прямая линия в математике. Есть только одна точка - пересечение с осью, а именно та точка где находиися мы сейчас. Спасибо тем кто прочитал, надеюсь на конструктианый ответ

I've noticed that theists will take everything from science that suits their perspective, and discard everything from science that disagrees with it. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Cliffe Knecktle has another gospel. He redefines faith as obedience and belief as total commitment. He says it's not by works but immediately tells you that saving faith is never alone. Free grace is the only true gospel. Saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.

This was so staged. Here's what I'd ask him: "Which specific version of a presuppositional so-called God is it that you want us to believe in and why should we care? "

If god is real, then why is there suffering?

Like I have heard many times before, then where did God come from?

Ok I'm a little over a minute in but Cliff has a gross understaning of evolution and cosmology even in just their most basic forms. He makes an assertion about cosmology and then cites Einstein without actually basing it on a proper premise. Also with evolution all he does is strawman what it is. Evolution is a process that all living organisms follow not a process for creating life. The fact that he bought that up is irrelevant to evolution because its outside of evolutions scope. We know evolution is a thing, but when you bring up creation of life thats more of something within the scope of abiogenesis. This is just dishonest rhetoric by Cliff. If he has little knowledge on the topic, just admit that. Sometimes when you don't have the answer to something its ok to say, "I don't know"

I normally don't see stuff with one view but the Bible is pure evil Deuteronomy 22:28-29 says:"If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days." Deuteronomy 21:18-21 - Stoning Rebellious Sons: This law prescribes the death penalty for a stubborn and rebellious son. Deuteronomy 21:10-14 says:"When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, and see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire her and would take her for your wife, then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. And it shall be, if you have no delight in her, then you shall set her free; but you certainly shall not sell her for money; you shall not treat her brutally, because you have humbled her."

This guy is just too good. I would pay a ridiculous amount of money to see him debate Richard Dawkins

Lots of people explaining Cliffe's mistakes in the comments. Do theists see that? Mostly it involves Cliffe saying a god caused the universe *but no evidence that's true.* Well the universe exists, but if Gary barges into this comment thread saying "elves caused the universe" I hope you can see that wouldn't be reasonable evidence of elves, right?

7:58 Cliffe argues with great clarity against his own religion

This preacher is nothing but a special pleader…. Making exceptions for his beliefs and not being consistent. It’s what you see w every one these loonies. Existence as we know it could be eternal. We don’t know if existence itself began regardless of what any scientists opinion is.. we just don’t know. I say existence always existed and has no beginning so what now?

The truth is nobody knows

Cliffe! You are NOT convincing at all dude! It’s very easy for me to see at least that all yer doing is reaching and making stuff up to justify your assertions even when they fail big time! It’s like you can’t be wrong so you make stuff up

Your god is a manufactured spiritual entity, that's Deriven from the depths of infinity.

An atheist is better off in judgment than someone that is religious Atheist do not believe - so they have no knowledge of the truth. And do not claim that they know the law of God BUT the spirit of religion claims to know ALL truths. And since they claim to know all truths, yet disregard the law And do not heed to the teachings of the holy spirit, But make your own interpretations, unto your own understanding And judge others by such, Now u stand CONDEMNED

This Cliffe guy seems crazy to me. Literally crazy.

Statements like God has no beginning and no end is eternal is in itself paradoxical. As stated by Kant. And moral absolutes at best give an agnostic perspective of god.

Before 2:20 we get an argument for Deism, and then bang! It's about Jesus all of a sudden. To be fair, he did ask for something besides the Bible. That's obviously not possible since it's a very specific God, who presumably not only created the Universe but also does all these things that the Bible claims.

As someone who doesn't outright believe in god and has spent countless hours thinking about it, I genuinely think God is THE best written god if looked at from a fictional standpoint. Mankind from the beginning of our existence always tried to find answers for things. We are intelligent enough to be able to draw connection in everything, which is the reason science exists. But for this simple reason, God is unarguable, because God can't be traced back to anything it is eternal, there is no possible way to disprove God aside from looking at religion and the birth of christanity. Which is why most athiests and for a long time myself completely rid myself of religion, hence there is no way to disprove God himself. I hope this made some sense, it's hard to put my thoughts together on this matter.

Paul saw blinding light and heard voices on the road to Damascus, seven years after Jesus died and ascended into heaven. Seven years ! Will you follow Jesus who said I did not come to change the old laws? Or are you a follower of Paul who showed up seven years later?

Bro this dosent make sense: why dose it have ro have a cause?

Ok. The fool hath said in his heart there is no God. Why are you waisting you time on fools